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pio2u Retired Number
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LakersMD Star Player
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Good start. Welcome back. |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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LakersMD wrote: | Good start. Welcome back. |
Def looked good. We will need him big-time as a POA defender. |
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manlisten Star Player
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If he and Max continue this trajectory it makes a D'lo trade less pertinent because they can make up for his shortcomings and make him less of a liability. He can be benched entirely and the team can still function at a high level. Then a legitimate rim protector off the bench can be addressed if guard play has improved on the margins. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points." |
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pio2u Retired Number
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lakersfever714 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Start him over DLo _________________ Los Angeles Lakers 2025 NBA Champions!! Go JJ! |
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Halflife Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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lakersfever714 wrote: | Start him over DLo |
if winning is the goal, then yes. _________________ Its out there. |
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ThreePointBomber Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Kendrick Nunn 2.0 until proven otherwise. _________________ The most important shot in basketball. |
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lakersfan32 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:53 am Post subject: |
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shooting 14% from 3. it's an improvement over his 10% last season, lol |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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Gabe Vincent is not a good/top end three point shooter, or point guard.
His main thing is his defense and occasionally catching fire offensively. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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ducasse Star Player
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Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Gabe Vincent is not a good/top end three point shooter, or point guard.
His main thing is his defense and occasionally catching fire offensively. |
He's not top end three pt shooter but he's been a lot better than what he has shown here. He shot 37% from three a couple seasons ago and 37% in the 2023 playoffs. He's capable but his 3 pt shot has fallen off a cliff since joining the Lakers. |
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Nobody Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:29 am Post subject: |
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I like his effort on defense and I'm sure his offense will slowly come around too. He missed virtually all of last season. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 8:47 am Post subject: |
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ducasse wrote: | MJST wrote: | Gabe Vincent is not a good/top end three point shooter, or point guard.
His main thing is his defense and occasionally catching fire offensively. |
He's not top end three pt shooter but he's been a lot better than what he has shown here. He shot 37% from three a couple seasons ago and 37% in the 2023 playoffs. He's capable but his 3 pt shot has fallen off a cliff since joining the Lakers. |
He's 33% for his career. For the looks he gets that should be around 37-39%
For comparison Schoder is 34% for his career. We dropped the ball on this one I believe. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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CRoost Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:09 am Post subject: |
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Nobody wrote: | I like his effort on defense and I'm sure his offense will slowly come around too. He missed virtually all of last season. |
Christie need to figure out how to play defense without fouling. Our perimeter have been lit up and Gabe is the only one that made it consistently difficult for them to get any good looks.
We need him in the playoff. |
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Lakeshow23_ Starting Rotation
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I was in favor of Gabe replacing Dennis What a mistake that's turning out to be. It's sad because you can see his impact defensively, there was a possession where he switched on to KD and aggressively fronted him forcing Phoenix to settle for a Nurkic three. That aggression is completely nonexistent on offense, he looks scared of the ball and for good reason. He can't make a shot to save his life.
Dennis, otoh, is averaging 21 PPG and 6 APG on 62 TS% |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:07 am Post subject: |
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As it stands, I expect Gabe's offense will come around. Even then that offense is not much to write home about. You're looking at 5-8 points off the bench at 33% from three. Having a player like Quincy we're developing is good, but what makes Quincy an interesting addition to the team, is that he is known for his defense. It's not up to NBA speed, but he is known for his defense and his scoring. If need be, he could play backup combo guard for us and would likely hit more threes than Vincent does currently. However Quincy is still a rookie and Vincent is a better defender at NBA speed and if you replace him with Quincy you're effectively telling him that he's done.
Still early in the season, and Vincent has time to turn it around, but he'd have to turn it around to the extent that he shoots 38-39% from three. And he's never really done that in his career that wasn't an outlier. So we'll see.
His defense is valuable. But when it comes to him and Christie we need more from them both.
We have a wing defender that isn't a great three point shooter, that's Vando.
So.. if Vincent and Christie don't start stepping it up, they may lose their minutes to Vando. Whom we ALL HOPE is healthy and remains healthy. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Hanging from Rafters Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Lakeshow23_ wrote: | I was in favor of Gabe replacing Dennis What a mistake that's turning out to be. It's sad because you can see his impact defensively, there was a possession where he switched on to KD and aggressively fronted him forcing Phoenix to settle for a Nurkic three. That aggression is completely nonexistent on offense, he looks scared of the ball and for good reason. He can't make a shot to save his life.
Dennis, otoh, is averaging 21 PPG and 6 APG on 62 TS% |
You’re among the majority, there was very few of us that called it a mistake at the time it happened. Some…including the media…gave Rob an “A” grade for what seemed like an obvious downgrade overall to me.
Had the Lakers paid what others teams paid for the exact same Lakers, the Lakers would have been better off overall. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.” |
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sonic the laker Star Player
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Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | As it stands, I expect Gabe's offense will come around. Even then that offense is not much to write home about. You're looking at 5-8 points off the bench at 33% from three. Having a player like Quincy we're developing is good, but what makes Quincy an interesting addition to the team, is that he is known for his defense. It's not up to NBA speed, but he is known for his defense and his scoring. If need be, he could play backup combo guard for us and would likely hit more threes than Vincent does currently. However Quincy is still a rookie and Vincent is a better defender at NBA speed and if you replace him with Quincy you're effectively telling him that he's done.
Still early in the season, and Vincent has time to turn it around, but he'd have to turn it around to the extent that he shoots 38-39% from three. And he's never really done that in his career that wasn't an outlier. So we'll see.
His defense is valuable. But when it comes to him and Christie we need more from them both.
We have a wing defender that isn't a great three point shooter, that's Vando.
So.. if Vincent and Christie don't start stepping it up, they may lose their minutes to Vando. Whom we ALL HOPE is healthy and remains healthy. |
This isn't outside the realm of possibility. However, I think it'll be more likely that...if both Gabe and Max continue to struggle on offense...Gabe would feel the minute crunch, before Max. Gabe was supposed to be our big FA signing. But, the Lakers aren't as invested in him, as they are in Max, who's younger with higher potential. _________________ ZOOM!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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pio2u Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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The Gabe Vincent conundrum that will define the Lakers' 2024-25 season
The Gabe Vincent conundrum that will define the Lakers' 2024-25 season
The Lakers have 11 million reasons to give Gabe Vincent every opportunity to figure it out.
https://apple.news/AaF7oRjsITpu2eXwQ2RmTOw |
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defense Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:22 am Post subject: |
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This guy has been a huge let down to me, more than anyone else on the team |
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ribeye Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:34 am Post subject: |
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To think last season we waited and waited and waited for his return, thinking he might make a difference. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:48 am Post subject: |
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I believe Kris Dunn is much better than him.
Dunn has been one of my fav back up point guards the last couple years. Clippers got a good one at a fraction of the cost. _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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av3773 Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Still early, but pretty underwhelming so far, to be fair the bench has been pretty underwhelming as a whole Dalton probably being the best of the bunch which is saying a lot followed by Jax |
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CRoost Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 9:39 am Post subject: |
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dcarter4kobe wrote: | I believe Kris Dunn is much better than him.
Dunn has been one of my fav back up point guards the last couple years. Clippers got a good one at a fraction of the cost. |
Contract wise , I can agree. But Dunn has not played any meaningful game. Gabe still trying to figure out his fit on this team. |
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MJST Retired Number
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Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2024 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Bad substitution when we were up 15 that Gabe was put in for Rui or LeBron to play defense, but he got lost on every screen and got lit up by RJ in the process and Toronto cut the lead.
At this point I'm not sure Gabe's 'defense' makes up for what he doesn't give us on offense.
The smarter substitution would be Knecht.
Even if Knecht isn't a better defender than Gabe, what Knecht give us on offense in lieu of his defense, is more than what Gabe gives us on defense in lieu of his offense. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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