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Lakeshow23_ Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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I think we've all seen enough at this point. |
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Inspector Gadget Retired Number
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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He has regressed SO BAD. if Utah is dumb enough to take on Russell in exchange for Sexton and Kessler I would throw a parade, what a waste at the starting PG spot, get this clown looking ass dude off my team |
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TooMuchMajicBuss Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | He has regressed SO BAD. if Utah is dumb enough to take on Russell in exchange for Sexton and Kessler I would throw a parade, what a waste at the starting PG spot, get this clown looking ass dude off my team |
Staying under second apron of course. All our guards are getting cooked when bigs switch predictably leaving DLO, Reaves, Troy on mismatch island. We've been scouted and that's a deficiency. That's how Phoenix won.
10 points on 7 shots, 5 assists, zero turnovers, played limited minutes and we looked like pure crap with him off the floor too. Every guard on our team was crappy except Knecht and Bronny in garbage time. Not happy with the loss but careful what you wish for. |
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Zillethai Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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DLO cant stay in front of his man. He literally cannot.
Everytime I turn around, he's running along side his cover, trying to play catch-up. You dont even have to juke DLO out. You just blow by him straight to the basket. Its a joke. |
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Denny_Russo Star Player
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Start Knecht
Dlo would kill it off the bench. It would light a fire under his ass too. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
Starting anew. I'm retiring my main. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | He has regressed SO BAD. if Utah is dumb enough to take on Russell in exchange for Sexton and Kessler I would throw a parade, what a waste at the starting PG spot, get this clown looking ass dude off my team |
Staying under second apron of course. All our guards are getting cooked when bigs switch predictably leaving DLO, Reaves, Troy on mismatch island. We've been scouted and that's a deficiency. That's how Phoenix won.
10 points on 7 shots, 5 assists, zero turnovers, played limited minutes and we looked like pure crap with him off the floor too. Every guard on our team was crappy except Knecht and Bronny in garbage time. Not happy with the loss but careful what you wish for. |
I have seen our guards plenty of times and I don’t get frustrated with them as much I do with DLO he’s sabotaging the team when he isn’t even giving a flying crap, someone said it best, players just go through him and score any time they want |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: |
I have seen our guards |
You probably shouldn't have picked the night he played better than both Reaves and Rui to go on your rant.
DLO's three I'm not worried about coming around. He seems however currently focused on being the point guard and Redick wants to run the offense more through Reaves (when it comes to set plays) while DLO is playing primary distributor, which is why he had 5 assists in the first half.
Liked what I saw going to the basket more often, finishing and getting fouled. He needs to get into his groove from three again. It feels like however(at least currently) that JJ wants to run the offense through AD, Bron and Reaves and have DLo play point/primary distributor. That may need to be switched around.
The team looks like garbage whenever he isn't in to play distributor and Reaves continues to show why he should not be the primary point guard or distributor. However when the bench comes in, and DLo goes to the bench, we have no point guard and it shows. Because if Gabe nor Christie can hit a shot, our bench offense goes out the window.
Will be more helpful when Vando comes back if Rui is moved back to the bench with the job to score. But till then we need to rely on our mains.
If you're moving someone to the bench you'd do it with Reaves for the scoring, and then have a defender at the 2 with the starters.
The problem is Christie has been playing terrible to the extent other teams do not worry about three pointers from him, so if he was starting it'd effectively be 4 on 5 and teams could over commit because they aren't worried about his three point shot. So the backcourt has to remain as it is for now. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: |
I have seen our guards |
You probably shouldn't have picked the night he played better than both Reaves and Rui to go on your rant.
DLO's three I'm not worried about coming around. He seems however currently focused on being the point guard and Redick wants to run the offense more through Reaves (when it comes to set plays) while DLO is playing primary distributor, which is why he had 5 assists in the first half.
Liked what I saw going to the basket more often, finishing and getting fouled. He needs to get into his groove from three again. It feels like however(at least currently) that JJ wants to run the offense through AD, Bron and Reaves and have DLo play point/primary distributor. That may need to be switched around.
The team looks like garbage whenever he isn't in to play distributor and Reaves continues to show why he should not be the primary point guard or distributor. However when the bench comes in, and DLo goes to the bench, we have no point guard and it shows. Because if Gabe nor Christie can hit a shot, our bench offense goes out the window.
Will be more helpful when Vando comes back if Rui is moved back to the bench with the job to score. But till then we need to rely on our mains.
If you're moving someone to the bench you'd do it with Reaves for the scoring, and then have a defender at the 2 with the starters.
The problem is Christie has been playing terrible to the extent other teams do not worry about three pointers from him, so if he was starting it'd effectively be 4 on 5 and teams could over commit because they aren't worried about his three point shot. So the backcourt has to remain as it is for now. |
I’m right to crap on DLO cause he’s been laying an egg way to often, since our guards aren’t athletic we need him be good offensively and he does to many disappearing acts compared to Reaves and Rui, I know you want to defend DLO when others go after him and I have tried telling myself that DLO will eventually be a good PG on a contending team but that is quickly fading away |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: |
I have seen our guards |
You probably shouldn't have picked the night he played better than both Reaves and Rui to go on your rant.
DLO's three I'm not worried about coming around. He seems however currently focused on being the point guard and Redick wants to run the offense more through Reaves (when it comes to set plays) while DLO is playing primary distributor, which is why he had 5 assists in the first half.
Liked what I saw going to the basket more often, finishing and getting fouled. He needs to get into his groove from three again. It feels like however(at least currently) that JJ wants to run the offense through AD, Bron and Reaves and have DLo play point/primary distributor. That may need to be switched around.
The team looks like garbage whenever he isn't in to play distributor and Reaves continues to show why he should not be the primary point guard or distributor. However when the bench comes in, and DLo goes to the bench, we have no point guard and it shows. Because if Gabe nor Christie can hit a shot, our bench offense goes out the window.
Will be more helpful when Vando comes back if Rui is moved back to the bench with the job to score. But till then we need to rely on our mains.
If you're moving someone to the bench you'd do it with Reaves for the scoring, and then have a defender at the 2 with the starters.
The problem is Christie has been playing terrible to the extent other teams do not worry about three pointers from him, so if he was starting it'd effectively be 4 on 5 and teams could over commit because they aren't worried about his three point shot. So the backcourt has to remain as it is for now. |
I’m right to crap on DLO cause he’s been laying an egg way to often, |
Laying an egg is 0. Christie and Gabe have been the ones closest to that throughout the season. Once more, not worried about DLO's three coming around. It definitely has to though.
I am more concerned with the play of both Vincent and Christie. Us having a defensive 2 this season was dependent on Christie making a leap, and he doesn't seem to have. So the backcourt must remain as it is, as teams are not worried about Christie on the offensive end.
We also are missing Vando's defense in the starting lineup for the days that Rui brings no effort, which has been a problem throughout his career which is why he'd be best in the Lamar Odom bench 6th man role as well.
We cannot do either of those things though because Vando is hurt and so is Wood, so there's no real competition challenging Gabe and Christie to drop their minutes lower outside of Knecht. If Vando and Wood were back it'd be a different story, but as of right now that is not the case. So things must remain as they are with the only viable change being Knecht getting either Vincent's or Christie's minutes. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Let’s keep this simple: I’m frustrated with Gabe and Max, I’m frustrated that we are wasting 2 roster spots with Cam and JHS, but DLO has big pressure to deliver at the PG position he’s had pressure since he came to the NBA, he’s been a big disappointment with the Lakers especially considering what people expected of him |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | Let’s keep this simple: I’m frustrated with Gabe and Max, I’m frustrated that we are wasting 2 roster spots with Cam and JHS, but |
I'm less concerned about DLO's three coming around (which is the only thing that's been off so far) than I am Christie or Vincent being able to contribute.
As a playmaker and as the point guard, DLO has been our best. His three has been off, but again, that's the least thing you worry about with a shooter, particularly a proven one not playing at 100%
I am far more concerned about what Christie and Gabe have brought, or rather haven't brought, because the list of things they need to do is far vast and far higher. And it's because of their inability to be actual options that no actual lineup changes can be made outside of diminishing their minutes for the rookie Knecht. If Christie was even putting up the numbers Knecht was now, he'd be solidified in the rotation, but 3 years in and he can't and hasn't shown the growth he was supposed to.
Gabe had an entire off-season and health is on his side and he is still performing way beneath his level.
I'm far more concerned about them, than I am about DLO catching his rhythm from three. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | Let’s keep this simple: I’m frustrated with Gabe and Max, I’m frustrated that we are wasting 2 roster spots with Cam and JHS, but |
I'm less concerned about DLO's three coming around (which is the only thing that's been off so far) than I am Christie or Vincent being able to contribute.
As a playmaker and as the point guard, DLO has been our best. His three has been off, but again, that's the least thing you worry about with a shooter, particularly a proven one not playing at 100%
I am far more concerned about what Christie and Gabe have brought, or rather haven't brought, because the list of things they need to do is far vast and far higher. And it's because of their inability to be actual options that no actual lineup changes can be made outside of diminishing their minutes for the rookie Knecht. If Christie was even putting up the numbers Knecht was now, he'd be solidified in the rotation, but 3 years in and he can't and hasn't shown the growth he was supposed to.
Gabe had an entire off-season and health is on his side and he is still performing way beneath his level.
I'm far more concerned about them, than I am about DLO catching his rhythm from three. |
That's been the issue with this team last season and half... I just don't see this team going anywhere with DLO as your starting PG. But that's the thing with DLO. We're always seem to be just waiting on when he will snap out and back of his play.
Right now he is in playoffs form... I'm actually worried because he's had his best 3pt shooting seasons since getting traded back here. Before that he was a career 36% 3pt shooter from behind the arc for 9 seasons.
So which is more likely to happen?
I mean he's the best we have now. Luckily for a lot of the DLO supporters he is most likely stuck with this team since no team wants him right now. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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The issue with DLO is that he plays so lackluster when the game isn’t going well for him, he only seems to be engaged when he’s raining 3’s, if you saw the games from last year were he was going wild from behind the arc during the regular season he was playing with energy, so far I don’t see any effort on playing defense, the only thing I have been Impressed with is his pin-point passes but the fact that this guy is supposed to be delivering for this team after 2 stink jobs in the playoffs should have all the fans furious |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | The issue with DLO is that he plays so lackluster when the game isn’t going well for him, he only seems to be engaged when he’s raining 3’s |
Not really been the case this season. He's stayed trying to help the team even while his three wasn't falling, even tonight when his three wasn't falling he was driving to the basket to score and staying engaged as our playmaker.
That hasn't been a consistent problem this season. The problem thus far has been his three not falling. The thing I'm worried least about turning around.
We're only 4 games in, but Dlo's stayed engaged on the little things even when his shot wasn't falling. I'd personally like to see him be more aggressive on the offensive end. The offense seems predicated on trying to set up your teammates as opposed to getting your own shot unless you're AD or LeBron. Which is fine, but we need to break it and run some plays for him like we do for Reaves in that regard.
Once more, I'm least worried about his three point shot. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | The issue with DLO is that he plays so lackluster when the game isn’t going well for him, he only seems to be engaged when he’s raining 3’s |
Not really been the case this season. He's stayed trying to help the team even while his three wasn't falling, even tonight when his three wasn't falling he was driving to the basket to score and staying engaged as our playmaker.
That hasn't been a consistent problem this season. The problem thus far has been his three not falling. The thing I'm worried least about turning around.
We're only 4 games in, but Dlo's stayed engaged on the little things even when his shot wasn't falling. I'd personally like to see him be more aggressive on the offensive end. The offense seems predicated on trying to set up your teammates as opposed to getting your own shot unless you're AD or LeBron. Which is fine, but we need to break it and run some plays for him like we do for Reaves in that regard.
Once more, I'm least worried about his three point shot. |
If he was playing decent defense while his shot isn’t falling I would be perfectly fine but that’s not the case in most instances. and btw 5 assists for your starting level PG seems really mediocre he should be averaging like 8-9APG especially when his offense has gone down the toilet this season
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Inspector Gadget wrote: | MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | The issue with DLO is that he plays so lackluster when the game isn’t going well for him, he only seems to be engaged when he’s raining 3’s |
Not really been the case this season. He's stayed trying to help the team even while his three wasn't falling, even tonight when his three wasn't falling he was driving to the basket to score and staying engaged as our playmaker.
That hasn't been a consistent problem this season. The problem thus far has been his three not falling. The thing I'm worried least about turning around.
We're only 4 games in, but Dlo's stayed engaged on the little things even when his shot wasn't falling. I'd personally like to see him be more aggressive on the offensive end. The offense seems predicated on trying to set up your teammates as opposed to getting your own shot unless you're AD or LeBron. Which is fine, but we need to break it and run some plays for him like we do for Reaves in that regard.
Once more, I'm least worried about his three point shot. |
If he was decent defense while his shot isn’t falling I would be okay if can’t give us anything offensively but that’s not the case in most instances, and btw 5 assists for your starting level PG seems really mediocre he should be averaging like 8-9APG especially when his offense has gone down the toilet this season |
1) He lead our team in assists tonight.
2) The Lakers as a team had 20 Turnovers, DLO had 0 of them.
Pay attention to things like that rather than ranting. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | MJST wrote: | Inspector Gadget wrote: | The issue with DLO is that he plays so lackluster when the game isn’t going well for him, he only seems to be engaged when he’s raining 3’s |
Not really been the case this season. He's stayed trying to help the team even while his three wasn't falling, even tonight when his three wasn't falling he was driving to the basket to score and staying engaged as our playmaker.
That hasn't been a consistent problem this season. The problem thus far has been his three not falling. The thing I'm worried least about turning around.
We're only 4 games in, but Dlo's stayed engaged on the little things even when his shot wasn't falling. I'd personally like to see him be more aggressive on the offensive end. The offense seems predicated on trying to set up your teammates as opposed to getting your own shot unless you're AD or LeBron. Which is fine, but we need to break it and run some plays for him like we do for Reaves in that regard.
Once more, I'm least worried about his three point shot. |
If he was decent defense while his shot isn’t falling I would be okay if can’t give us anything offensively but that’s not the case in most instances, and btw 5 assists for your starting level PG seems really mediocre he should be averaging like 8-9APG especially when his offense has gone down the toilet this season |
1) He lead our team in assists tonight.
2) The Lakers as a team had 20 Turnovers, DLO had 0 of them.
Pay attention to things like that rather than ranting. |
I’m trying so hard to pretend that DLO actually did something right, I have tried defending him so many times but that is done, fortunately the season is still awfully early but right now he’s playing like should come off the bench |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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People trying to make this loss about DLO? Really? lol _________________ He's my GOAT |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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DLo may not have been the worst player in THIS game, but he's consistently not had any highs when the rest of the main rotational players have had them. His lows are just too much at this point, especially when you know they'll always happen at some point in the playoffs as well.
This was the first bad game from AR and Rui. AD has been great in every game. LeBron carried the team against the Kings.
DLo isn't a bad player, he's just the odd-man out at this point on a team with dire needs defensively. Vando isn't fixing it alone, especially when he brings offensive problems when he's on the court.
Even in the wins, you can tell this team just isn't built to play defense. The Lakers have 1 consistently good defender in AD. There's no coaching that can get this group to play well on defense. |
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2024 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | DLo may not have been the worst player in THIS game, but he's consistently not had any highs when the rest of the main rotational players have had them. His lows are just too much at this point, especially when you know they'll always happen at some point in the playoffs as well.
This was the first bad game from AR and Rui. AD has been great in every game. LeBron carried the team against the Kings.
DLo isn't a bad player, he's just the odd-man out at this point on a team with dire needs defensively. Vando isn't fixing it alone, especially when he brings offensive problems when he's on the court.
Even in the wins, you can tell this team just isn't built to play defense. The Lakers have 1 consistently good defender in AD. There's no coaching that can get this group to play well on defense. |
"Vando isn't fixing it alone"
Having Vando out there over Rui would fix a lot of things both with the starting lineups defense and the benches scoring actually. That's why it worked so well. Don't forget, Rui got the spot he did only because of Vando's injury.
Inverse wrote: | People trying to make this loss about DLO? Really? lol |
And on the night both Reaves and Rui played far worse than him. Go figure. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 12:10 am Post subject: |
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The viewpoint that his defense was lackluster has merit, however this team didn't defend any better with him on the sidelines, it's just easy for some people to point to DLO and rant about the loss, oblivious to the fact that the Lakers got outscored twice as badly when he sat as they got outscored when he was in the game.
24 minutes that DLO played, the Lakers got outscored by 8 points - bad.
24 minutes that DLO sat, the Lakers got outscored by 16 points - worse.
He was questionable with a sore lower back before the game, and was held to 24 minutes. Yes it was frustrating to watch all right. By the way, that likely affects not just mobility but his outside shots as well.
The mantra that he's here to be third scoring option is in direct contradiction to how JJ is using him. Under JJ his primary role is distributor, moving the ball to the right spots in order to make others effective scorers, and that is one thing he's very good at, if you watch the games objectively. They fell apart without him on the floor tonight. Yeah he only had 5 assists, but again he only played 24 minutes.
Austin Reaves had 4 turnovers. LeBron 6 turnovers. Davis 4. The Lakers had 20 turnovers as a team. The Cavs scored 31 points off turnovers, and we lost by 24 points. DLO had zero turnovers.
DLO isn't perfect by a long shot, but this is a dumb game to blame on DLO. |
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 1:13 am Post subject: |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | The viewpoint that his defense was lackluster has merit, however this team didn't defend any better with him on the sidelines, it's just easy for some people to point to DLO and rant about the loss, oblivious to the fact that the Lakers got outscored twice as badly when he sat as they got outscored when he was in the game.
24 minutes that DLO played, the Lakers got outscored by 8 points - bad.
24 minutes that DLO sat, the Lakers got outscored by 16 points - worse.
He was questionable with a sore lower back before the game, and was held to 24 minutes. Yes it was frustrating to watch all right. By the way, that likely affects not just mobility but his outside shots as well.
The mantra that he's here to be third scoring option is in direct contradiction to how JJ is using him. Under JJ his primary role is distributor, moving the ball to the right spots in order to make others effective scorers, and that is one thing he's very good at, if you watch the games objectively. They fell apart without him on the floor tonight. Yeah he only had 5 assists, but again he only played 24 minutes.
Austin Reaves had 4 turnovers. LeBron 6 turnovers. Davis 4. The Lakers had 20 turnovers as a team. The Cavs scored 31 points off turnovers, and we lost by 24 points. DLO had zero turnovers.
DLO isn't perfect by a long shot, but this is a dumb game to blame on DLO. |
This _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk |
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 2:38 am Post subject: |
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After another subpar postseason and a slow start last season, DLO opens the 24-25 campaign shooting 37% from the field and 25% from 3. More importantly, he's been utterly atrocious defensively forcing JJ to turn to the likes of Vincent and Christie for answers. Not really sure how the team performing worse with bad bench players on the floor absolves DLO in anyway. If anything, it's an indictment on DLO that JJ feels compelled to close 4th quarters with Gabe because DLO is getting roasted. JJ started Rui on Garland for goodness sake
We've seen enough to know DLO isn't a starting caliber player on a team with championship aspirations. |
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Zillethai Star Player
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:33 am Post subject: |
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TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | The viewpoint that his defense was lackluster has merit, however this team didn't defend any better with him on the sidelines, |
In other words "DLO is a bad defender, but hey... so is everyone else on the squad so what are you gonna do?"
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for keeping this clown |
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Posted: Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:40 am Post subject: |
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This is what happened last year and Ham made a rush judgement and took dlo out of the starting line up. We need to relax and give them some time. His shot will start falling. He’s not turning the ball over. Just need to run the offense. But I would still trade him in a heartbeat with a pic for sexton/kessler |
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