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Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Nadal was the best ever on clay
Djoker on hard
Prime Roger wins on grass.
Overall it’s Djoker, but the prime Nadal/Federer 2005-2007 era changed the level of tennis for good.
What’s crazy if you watch Rafa practice he still looks top speed and good. Then you see the matches and you go oh wait he’s not moving or striking the ball the same. Even losing just 10 percent physicality is much more impactful on Rafas game than it ever was on Roger or Novak. He was struggling to be a top 50 player the last year. Roger on one good knee was still a top 10 player. Novak won an Olympic gold on one good leg. Rafas game just never allowed for him to dip physically. |
And I'll point out, as I believe I stated while it was going on, that Djoker probably doesn't win Olympic gold if it had been a best-of-5 event. The shorter matches absolutely helped him, with where he is physically at this late stage of his career.
I think it's tough to compare prime Sampras on grass to prime Federer on grass. The courts got slower as Federer dominated and I think Sampras had the better serve and I think he was the better volleyer as well. But of course Fed was better at pretty much everything else, except for Sampras probably having the more dangerous forehand while on the run. And no, I don't put much stock in Federer's win over him at Wimbledon when Pete was in the twilight of his career. (And when Fed was not yet in his prime, it's also fair to point out.)
Sampras' serve, especially considering the era, was genuinely obscene. |
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ChickenStu wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Nadal was the best ever on clay
Djoker on hard
Prime Roger wins on grass.
Overall it’s Djoker, but the prime Nadal/Federer 2005-2007 era changed the level of tennis for good.
What’s crazy if you watch Rafa practice he still looks top speed and good. Then you see the matches and you go oh wait he’s not moving or striking the ball the same. Even losing just 10 percent physicality is much more impactful on Rafas game than it ever was on Roger or Novak. He was struggling to be a top 50 player the last year. Roger on one good knee was still a top 10 player. Novak won an Olympic gold on one good leg. Rafas game just never allowed for him to dip physically. |
And I'll point out, as I believe I stated while it was going on, that Djoker probably doesn't win Olympic gold if it had been a best-of-5 event. The shorter matches absolutely helped him, with where he is physically at this late stage of his career.
I think it's tough to compare prime Sampras on grass to prime Federer on grass. The courts got slower as Federer dominated and I think Sampras had the better serve and I think he was the better volleyer as well. But of course Fed was better at pretty much everything else, except for Sampras probably having the more dangerous forehand while on the run. And no, I don't put much stock in Federer's win over him at Wimbledon when Pete was in the twilight of his career. (And when Fed was not yet in his prime, it's also fair to point out.)
Sampras' serve, especially considering the era, was genuinely obscene. |
I Love Roger (my favorite player).....that said I dont think Peak Roger beats Peak Novak even at Wimbledon unless we go back to 90s Wimbledon when the grass was much quicker. I saw Roger change his racket and leave everything out on the table against a Novak that had mental doubts from losing Majors finals entering their finals in 2014, and it was clear even then, Novak was a hair better. Then in 2015 Wimbledon, Roger played arguably his best match EVER against Andy Murray in the semifinals and entered the finals in pristine form and he still got beat by Novak during Novaks peak year. Ive seen too much of Roger vs Novak to know that the only way a match is in Federer's racket is if the court is sped up to help Roger hit through Novak. Otherwise, the match will be in Novak's racket. After Roger beat Nadal in 2017 Australian and then 2017 Indian Wells, I wasnt even worried about Nadal anymore. Nadal could beat Roger on clay but everywhere else, Roger had figured out how to beat Nadal and consistently to the point it was clear Roger was better than Rafa. |
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Djoker vs Nadal has a 2 game lead- However he caught nadal during his injuries late -
Djoker has 4 games over Fed- but like Nadal caught him late
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The thing about speed of the court
If it’s 90s grass I don’t think anyone of the big 3 wins Wimby aside from Federer who would have stuck to his serve and volley game and probably honed it more
The serve and volley game is dead but Federer had elite skill and likely uses it to beat Djoker/Nadal on 90s grass.
Sampras is tricky. I agree with Stu. It would really depend what grass. Modern grass and balls - Fed. Old school grass. Yeah probably Sampras but I fully believe Federer would have adapted and honed his already quality serve and volley game. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2024 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | The thing about speed of the court
If it’s 90s grass I don’t think anyone of the big 3 wins Wimby aside from Federer who would have stuck to his serve and volley game and probably honed it more
The serve and volley game is dead but Federer had elite skill and likely uses it to beat Djoker/Nadal on 90s grass.
Sampras is tricky. I agree with Stu. It would really depend what grass. Modern grass and balls - Fed. Old school grass. Yeah probably Sampras but I fully believe Federer would have adapted and honed his already quality serve and volley game. |
Sampras' serve and Sampras' volleying were impeccable. And you could not lob him; his vertical leap was ridiculous, and he was incredibly skilled at overheads. |
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Quote: | Novak Djokovic falls to Reilly Opelka in Brisbane quarterfinals
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Yeah starting to feel like the end is near, if not already here. |
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Kyrgios not even back a month
- fued with Andy Roddick
- trashed Sinner and Swiatek
- trashed Sinner more
- went on a 16 year old aspiring pros Instagram (kid of Hewitt) and trashed that the boy played with Sinner
- oh and it’s revealed that years ago he was sleeping with Sinners GF and it didn’t end well
Gotta say who wants to see Sinner and Kyrgios play 1st round Aus Open? Please draw Sinner ! |
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Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:20 am Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Kyrgios not even back a month
- fued with Andy Roddick
- trashed Sinner and Swiatek
- trashed Sinner more
- went on a 16 year old aspiring pros Instagram (kid of Hewitt) and trashed that the boy played with Sinner
- oh and it’s revealed that years ago he was sleeping with Sinners GF and it didn’t end well
Gotta say who wants to see Sinner and Kyrgios play 1st round Aus Open? Please draw Sinner ! |
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sinner is hurting. His right arm is trembling |
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Posted: Sun Jan 19, 2025 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | Sinner is hurting. His right arm is trembling |
Just called the doctor, not the trainer. I think he's really struggling with the heat. |
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LongBeachPoly Franchise Player


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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Djokovic beat Alcaraz in 4 sets, wow:
Quote: | "I just wish that this match today was the final," Djokovic said.
"One of the most epic matches I've played on this court. On any court." |
I didn't see it but I've never heard of an epic 4 set match before. Especially when Djokovic won the final 3 sets.
Quote: | On Friday, Djokovic's 50th major semifinal will come against No. 2 seed Alexander Zverev, a two-time runner-up at majors who beat No. 12 Tommy Paul 7-6 (1), 7-6 (0), 2-6, 6-1. Djokovic said he hopes he can recover in time to face Zverev at full strength.
The other men's quarterfinals are Wednesday: No. 1 Jannik Sinner vs. No. 8 Alex de Minaur, and No. 21 Ben Shelton against unseeded Lorenzo Sonego.
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:17 am Post subject: |
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It's a shame that wasn't the final and Djokovic was seeded so low this happened in the quarters. Epic performance. The old man isn't washed yet.
Also, Carlos has yet to beat Novak on hard court. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:40 am Post subject: |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Djokovic beat Alcaraz in 4 sets, wow:
Quote: | "I just wish that this match today was the final," Djokovic said.
"One of the most epic matches I've played on this court. On any court." |
I didn't see it but I've never heard of an epic 4 set match before. Especially when Djokovic won the final 3 sets.
Quote: | On Friday, Djokovic's 50th major semifinal will come against No. 2 seed Alexander Zverev, a two-time runner-up at majors who beat No. 12 Tommy Paul 7-6 (1), 7-6 (0), 2-6, 6-1. Djokovic said he hopes he can recover in time to face Zverev at full strength.
The other men's quarterfinals are Wednesday: No. 1 Jannik Sinner vs. No. 8 Alex de Minaur, and No. 21 Ben Shelton against unseeded Lorenzo Sonego.
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Well, the guy saying it does know epic matches though. Probably played the most in history. |
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Gauff really blew it losing to Badosa. Must have been the usual culprits, serve and forehand. But Badosa I thought was too one-dimensional to handle Gauff, even hitting hard. |
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focus wrote: | Well, the guy saying it does know epic matches though. Probably played the most in history. |
Someone had to call it epic or I wouldn’t have commented.
I’ve just never heard of a 4 set epic match before, especially one with zero tie breakers. You?
We’ll see how this match holds up in history. I have my doubts that this will be remembered amongst the all time epic matches in history. We’ll see.
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Did a quick google search and someone listed these as the most epic since 2006:
Quote: | Hello, everyone.
I hope all is well.
So, what are your thoughts on the best/most epic match of the year for every year this century?
I can only properly talk about ‘06 onwards, so:
2006. Nadal v Federer - Rome finals
(Defending champion Rafael Nadal defeated Roger Federer in the final, 6–7(0–7), 7–6(7–5), 6–4, 2–6, 7–6(7–5))
2007. Federer v Nadal - WB finals
(Federer defeated Nadal 7–6, 4–6, 7–6, 2–6, 6–2)
2008. Nadal v Federer - WB finals
(After 4 hours and 48 minutes of play, Nadal defeated Federer 6–4, 6–4, 6–7, 6–7, 9–7)
2009. Nadal v Federer - AO finals
(Roger Federer failed to contain his emotion after his 7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2 defeat following a gruelling four hours and 23 minutes of play)
2010. Nadal v Murray - WTF semis
(Nadal wins 7-6 (7-5), 3-6, 7-6 (8-6))
(If there has been a better tennis match in recent times than the one in which Rafael Nadal beat Andy Murray to reach the final of the ATP World Tour Finals against Roger Federer, it must have been played on another planet.)
2011. Federer v Djokovic - RG semis
2012. Djokovic v Nadal - AO finals
2013. Nadal v Djokovic - RG semis
2014. Wawrinka v Djokovic - AO quarters
2015. Wawrinka v Djokovic - RG finals
2016. Wawrinka v Djokovic - USO finals
2017. Federer v Nadal - AO finals
2018. Djokovic v Nadal - WB semis
2019. Djokovic v Federer - WB finals
2020. Djokovic v Thiem - AO finals
2021. Djokovic v Nadal - RG semis
2022. Nadal v Medvedev - AO finals
2023. Alcaraz v Djokovic - WB finals
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I wonder how many of these were 4 set matches?
I’ll google some of these up and edit. |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | focus wrote: | Well, the guy saying it does know epic matches though. Probably played the most in history. |
Someone had to call it epic or I wouldn’t have commented.
I’ve just never heard of a 4 set epic match before, especially one with zero tie breakers. You?
We’ll see how this match holds up in history. I have my doubts that this will be remembered amongst the all time epic matches in history. We’ll see.
……..
Did a quick google search and someone listed these as the most epic since 2006:
Quote: | Hello, everyone.
I hope all is well.
So, what are your thoughts on the best/most epic match of the year for every year this century?
I can only properly talk about ‘06 onwards, so:
2006. Nadal v Federer - Rome finals
(Defending champion Rafael Nadal defeated Roger Federer in the final, 6–7(0–7), 7–6(7–5), 6–4, 2–6, 7–6(7–5))
2007. Federer v Nadal - WB finals
(Federer defeated Nadal 7–6, 4–6, 7–6, 2–6, 6–2)
2008. Nadal v Federer - WB finals
(After 4 hours and 48 minutes of play, Nadal defeated Federer 6–4, 6–4, 6–7, 6–7, 9–7)
2009. Nadal v Federer - AO finals
(Roger Federer failed to contain his emotion after his 7-5, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 6-2 defeat following a gruelling four hours and 23 minutes of play)
2010. Nadal v Murray - WTF semis
(Nadal wins 7-6 (7-5), 3-6, 7-6 (8-6))
(If there has been a better tennis match in recent times than the one in which Rafael Nadal beat Andy Murray to reach the final of the ATP World Tour Finals against Roger Federer, it must have been played on another planet.)
2011. Federer v Djokovic - RG semis
2012. Djokovic v Nadal - AO finals
2013. Nadal v Djokovic - RG semis
2014. Wawrinka v Djokovic - AO quarters
2015. Wawrinka v Djokovic - RG finals
2016. Wawrinka v Djokovic - USO finals
2017. Federer v Nadal - AO finals
2018. Djokovic v Nadal - WB semis
2019. Djokovic v Federer - WB finals
2020. Djokovic v Thiem - AO finals
2021. Djokovic v Nadal - RG semis
2022. Nadal v Medvedev - AO finals
2023. Alcaraz v Djokovic - WB finals
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I wonder how many of these were 4 set matches?
I’ll google some of these up and edit. |
I guess "epic" per se is debatable, but I have seen fantastic four set matches definitely, maybe even 3 sets. Depends on the level of play, though having more sets, being in Slams, played between two top players, being late rounds in the Slams all add to it. Federer Nadal 2008 wimbledon still the GOAT match to me. |
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Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2025 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Sampras and Agassi played a U.S. Open quarterfinal during the last Slam win of Sampras' career. There were no breaks of serve and Sampras won 3 of the 4 tiebreaks. It's often considered to be one of the best tennis matches you'll ever see in terms of quality, although most people don't consider it an "epic" because it wasn't a final or semifinal.
I watched the match early this morning. I would use the word "dramatic" more than "epic", but it was a hell of a match. Why dramatic? Well, with Djokovic serving at 4-4 in the first set, he appeared to injure his leg while running for a ball to his right. He clearly pulled up a bit, and for the rest of that game, he was visibly struggling. He got broken and called the trainer. He was taken to the locker room and given a medical timeout and came back out to the court with part of his left thigh wrapped. Alcaraz then served it out to win the first set. As Alcaraz got up an early break in the 2nd, it looked like it would either be a quick straight sets win for Carlitos, or maybe even that the Djoker would have to retire. His movement was compromised and he was red-lining it, going for his shots and even most of his second serves. But then a funny thing happened: his shots and serves were landing, he was hitting through Alcaraz, and the Spaniard seemed unsure of how to play with what looked like a wounded Djokovic. He was playing more safe and hitting less hard. Djoker pulled out the 2nd set, despite the movement issues. Then in the third set, the movement got better. He was chasing after balls like normal and Alcaraz became clearly frustrated. Djoker was outplaying him. As the Serb won the 3rd set, Alcaraz went over to his bench and clearly appeared to be mocking Djokovic by shaking his hip/leg in an attempt to essentially say "was this guy really injured?" Of course, there's been talk that Djoker has gotten into opponents' heads with some rope-a-dope as it relates to injures.
Djoker got up a break in the 4th and the last few games were so close, with break point chances for each player; for Djoker to go up 2 breaks at one point, and for Alcaraz to get back on serve. With Alcaraz serving at 30-30 and down 3-5, the two players had an epic (there's that word) 33-shot rally with incredible hitting and movement, and it finally ended with Alcaraz hitting a winner, denying Djokovic a match point. Djokovic was forced to serve it out, which he did in style.
It definitely felt like a final. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:13 am Post subject: |
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madison keys going to the finals! _________________ http://chickhearn.ytmnd.com/
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C M B wrote: | madison keys going to the finals! |
iga looked unstoppable going into the match. Huge win for Keys! |
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"epic" three set win for Madison Keys! Well, the third set was epic, first two were merely interesting, but the match as a whole was great for drama, high level of play in the third and yes epic comebacks from behind for Keys.
Sabalenka, with her combination of movement and power from both wings and good serve, along with experience, should really be dominating this tour. |
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focus wrote: | "epic" three set win for Madison Keys! Well, the third set was epic, first two were merely interesting, but the match as a whole was great for drama, high level of play in the third and yes epic comebacks from behind for Keys.
Sabalenka, with her combination of movement and power from both wings and good serve, along with experience, should really be dominating this tour. |
Well she's certainly dominated the hard court majors starting with the AO in 2023. Going for an AO three-peat. She's a solid -300 favorite in the final.
Djoker is only a small -160 favorite tonight against Zverev. Meanwhile, Sinner is a massive -2000 favorite over Ben Shelton. I'd personally like to see a Djokovic-Shelton final because I want to see one of them do the "hanging up" phone celebration during or immediately when the match ends! |
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Quote: | Australian Open Day 13: Djokovic retires with injury
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Might be his last great shot at #25.
You just never know how much is left. Yeah, he’s starting to look like Federer now. Just can’t get over the hump.
Reminder that his last grand slam title was at the 2023 US Open (September 2023).
16 months ago?
He’s now winless in his last 5 grand slams:
Quote: | AO (2024) - SF
FO (2024) - QF
W (2024) - F
USO (2024) - 3R
AO (2025) - SF
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Just sucks to have to see a big match end like that. It was just so abrupt. First set was an 80-minute marathon, it goes to a tiebreak which is airtight, it's 5-6 with Djoker serving, he gets to the net for an absolute sitter volley, bricks it into the net, and without any hesitation whatsoever, walks across the net, takes off his hat, and sticks his hand out to Zverev. Zverev was shocked. As was the crowd. As Djokovic walked off the court with his bags, there was a small smattering of audible booing going on, though most of the crowd was applauding him. A few moments later, when Jim Courier asked Zverev his first question in the interview on the court, Zverev admonished those in the crowd that were booing. He pointed out that Djokovic has won that tournament with a torn abdominal muscle and a torn hamstring and that he's given his life to tennis for the past 20 years. It was a class move. |
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LongBeachPoly wrote: | Quote: | Australian Open Day 13: Djokovic retires with injury
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Might be his last great shot at #25.
You just never know how much is left. Yeah, he’s starting to look like Federer now. Just can’t get over the hump.
Reminder that his last grand slam title was at the 2023 US Open (September 2023).
16 months ago?
He’s now winless in his last 5 grand slams:
Quote: | AO (2024) - SF
FO (2024) - QF
W (2024) - F
USO (2024) - 3R
AO (2025) - SF
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This one was going to take a legendary performance to beat the 3,2,1 seeds in order to win. It’s a shame his body is finally betraying him. |
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