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| defense wrote: | | He just needs time and time. People expect everyone to be good in any situation. Fans are unreasonable. |
Yep. He's 21. Two years younger than Knecht. We know he's still in the growing pains phase of his career. But the tools are there. Let's not be so blind that we don't see the value of a +rebounder, +rim protector (positionally), solid positional defender (with room to grow), and solid 3 point stroke in a 21 year old. Even if he's bad this year he's still worth investing in. |
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Japago
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People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
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| Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
It's his first season getting rotational minutes and he's still young enough to be a rookie. Dyson Daniels hardly looked like an NBA player last season, now he's one of the best wing defenders in the league. |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
It's his first season getting rotational minutes and he's still young enough to be a rookie. Dyson Daniels hardly looked like an NBA player last season, now he's one of the best wing defenders in the league. |
Agreed,
The effort and intensity that Max displayed in the 3rd quarter vs Spurs shows that he has the potential to be valuable asset off the bench this season. He absolutely needs more playing time to develop and IMO he has a future in the league. |
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DB wrote | Quote: | Christie --  -- Of our role player defenders, Max easily had the best game. Offensively, he hit a turnaround jumper on the baseline to beat the shotclock in the first half. In the second half, he drew some FTs on a pull-up. He dunked on that backdoor cut with Russell that the two have timed well multiple times this season. He sank a wing three in transition. His best sequence was a rejection at the rim on his man to save a hoop, then trailing the break on the other end, he attacked and scored an And-1 layup. He’d also later get a stop in post D drawing an offensive foul. You definitely felt his +16 in this game. Really good work. Show me more, please. The Stats: He scored 12 points on 4-6 shooting (1-3 from three, 3-3 from the line) to go with 4 boards, 2 assists, 1 block, 1 turnover and no fouls in 22 minutes. He was a +16.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | | Lakeshow23_ wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
It's his first season getting rotational minutes and he's still young enough to be a rookie. Dyson Daniels hardly looked like an NBA player last season, now he's one of the best wing defenders in the league. |
Agreed,
The effort and intensity that Max displayed in the 3rd quarter vs Spurs shows that he has the potential to be valuable asset off the bench this season. He absolutely needs more playing time to develop and IMO he has a future in the league. |
He's clearly an NBA player. He's not JHS. Not giving players enough time to develop is the problem, hence why there are a number of former Laker prospects thriving on other teams all because they found playing time. Lakers were smart to lock him up on a team friendly deal and not make the same mistake.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
In other words it's fans that establish wildly unrealistic expectations and then often blame the player, the coach or the FO when players don't meet said expectations.
As for Christie, I disagree, he looks exactly what a 21 yo second round pick will usually look like: a mixture of warts (hall-handling, court vision, offense in general) but also some abilities (rebounding, defensive potential, 3-ball-potential). He's neither the star some (many?) hoped for, nor the bust that some (bizarrely) lobbied for.
As for players that don't look like NBA material you have at least 3 better candidates: Lewis, Bronny, JHS. |
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Like Max, Dyson Daniels is also in his 3rd season. And, he's proving himself to be an NBA-level player. He's not looking lost like Max is, so I don't get the comparison.
(Not a fan of non-shooting non-Centers, but defending while scoring is nice)
With that example, he should be doing what he is right now and he isn't. |
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| Japago wrote: | Like Max, Dyson Daniels is also in his 3rd season. And, he's proving himself to be an NBA-level player. He's not looking lost like Max is, so I don't get the comparison.
(Not a fan of non-shooting non-Centers, but defending while scoring is nice)
With that example, he should be doing what he is right now and he isn't. |
Dyson Daniels got 17 MPG his first season, he then got 22 MPG his second season and his team and Coach invested in developing him and allowing him to get experience.
Ham did none of that when it came to Christie's second season and played favorites instead.
That's the difference between a Coach that is invested in your progression and one that isn't.
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| Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
It's crazy to me that the player you want to give up the farm for is statistically on the same level as Ingram.
You want to pay 50 million for LaVine (his final season) yet Ingram is trash to you.
If you can get Ingram cheap, you do it. If you could get Zach for 30 million in free agency, sure that's a good deal. But 49 million?
The only thing about Zach that's significantly better is he's a more aesthetically pleasing athlete.
Ingram rebounds more and passes better. He's very crafty at creating his own shot. Zach is a little more efficient shooting.
Yet you want to spend a fortune to acquire him when Ingram is pretty much the same in production.
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Dyson Daniels was a lottery pick. Of course Max’s trajectory has been slower than Daniels’. But you don’t give up on a 21 year old who has shown flashes based on a 10 game sample size to start the year, especially since he was slotted as the first sub off the bench for LeBron James, when ideally he’d be getting his minutes playing off of LeBron as a spot up shooter.
More recently he’s getting more minutes alongside table setters like Bron and DLo, which plays to his strengths better. I’m assuming his shooting will likewise come around. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
It's crazy to me that the player you want to give up the farm for is statistically on the same level as Ingram.
You want to pay 50 million for LaVine (his final season) yet Ingram is trash to you.
If you can get Ingram cheap, you do it. If you could get Zach for 30 million in free agency, sure that's a good deal. But 49 million?
The only thing about Zach that's significantly better is he's a more aesthetically pleasing athlete.
Ingram rebounds more and passes better. He's very crafty at creating his own shot. Zach is a little more efficient shooting.
Yet you want to spend a fortune to acquire him when Ingram is pretty much the same in production.
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First of all, BI is demanding to get paid a max in his next contract, which is hilarious.
2nd, I'm not into trading for LaVine anymore considering the Lakers' needs on defense. Before it was apparent how awful they were on defense, I would have taken a shot on him with minimal assets going back to CHI.
I might feel the same about BI with the same price, but there's the added concern of his contract demands and his poor fit playing next to stars.
3rd, that was about homer expectations after not really doing all that much after his first few years. He was never going to be a star. None of those highly drafted players were stars, but people wanted to give them ALL the time in the world to develop.
You guys ALWAYS do this with "naturally grown" players. You have unrealistic, overinflated opinions about them relative to what they actually are.
We're seeing it right now with AR, and we STILL see it with DLo from a few people. |
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| Japago wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
It's crazy to me that the player you want to give up the farm for is statistically on the same level as Ingram.
You want to pay 50 million for LaVine (his final season) yet Ingram is trash to you.
If you can get Ingram cheap, you do it. If you could get Zach for 30 million in free agency, sure that's a good deal. But 49 million?
The only thing about Zach that's significantly better is he's a more aesthetically pleasing athlete.
Ingram rebounds more and passes better. He's very crafty at creating his own shot. Zach is a little more efficient shooting.
Yet you want to spend a fortune to acquire him when Ingram is pretty much the same in production.
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First of all, BI is demanding to get paid a max in his next contract, which is hilarious.
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He's not going to have that market, so it doesn't matter. He's not going to say "underpay me" or sell himself short. And any agent would tell you the same. You'll never see a player advocate for a mid-level contract in public or the media, ever.
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| Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
DLO and BI showed they are pretty good players. Maybe not stars but Ingram put up 25/6/6 on 58% TS%, Russell put up 23/6/4 on 56% TS%. Both were mediocre defenders but the point was their disappointing first year or two on the Lakers led people to call them busts, when they ended up as borderline all-star players (well Ingram, Russell's all star appearance was a fluke).
No one is saying Christie is going to be a star. He lacks the handles, vision, and general playmaking juice. But can he be a quality role player? It takes a lot of guys time to figure it out. Christie is NOT Cam Reddish in terms of shooting, he's been consistently >40% on spot up 3s and very good at attacking close outs his whole career. His defense is a work in progress, Dyson Daniels would be a dream obviously but there's nothing to indicate he won't be a plus defender.
At the very least he projects to be a rotation 3&D wing, maybe not a starter quality but still someone you'd slot next to a ball dominant star. These are the kind of guys we always want and seem to always give up on, from high end role players like Caruso and KCP to even SPJ. It's so obvious to me, I don't know how you just watch Christie and think "not an NBA player." That's how I feel about JHS and Bronny (and even with them I'm open to them being different players at Age 25 if they have the work ethic and drive -- I just wouldn't count on it) |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
DLO and BI showed they are pretty good players. Maybe not stars but Ingram put up 25/6/6 on 58% TS%, Russell put up 23/6/4 on 56% TS%. Both were mediocre defenders but the point was their disappointing first year or two on the Lakers led people to call them busts, when they ended up as borderline all-star players (well Ingram, Russell's all star appearance was a fluke).
No one is saying Christie is going to be a star. He lacks the handles, vision, and general playmaking juice. But can he be a quality role player? It takes a lot of guys time to figure it out. Christie is NOT Cam Reddish in terms of shooting, he's been consistently >40% on spot up 3s and very good at attacking close outs his whole career. His defense is a work in progress, Dyson Daniels would be a dream obviously but there's nothing to indicate he won't be a plus defender.
At the very least he projects to be a rotation 3&D wing, maybe not a starter quality but still someone you'd slot next to a ball dominant star. These are the kind of guys we always want and seem to always give up on, from high end role players like Caruso and KCP to even SPJ. It's so obvious to me, I don't know how you just watch Christie and think "not an NBA player." That's how I feel about JHS and Bronny (and even with them I'm open to them being different players at Age 25 if they have the work ethic and drive -- I just wouldn't count on it) |
I don't want to dwell too much on DLo and BI, but fans had way, way too high of expectations of them and wanted to give them too much time to show potential that they didn't have.
I'm not saying Christie was ever going to be as good as them, but it's the same kind of principal on a lesser scale.
At some point, you have to just say a player isn't as good as you think he is.
Christie is struggling to show that he's an NBA player in his 3rd year. That's sad.
And the quicker the Lakers realize players aren't as good as they thought they would be, the better. You might get other teams that want to take a chance on potential that you've already concluded that they don't have.
I probably give him until the trade deadline to show he's a rotational player. If not, I'd trade him. |
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It's strange to criticize Max after the last game and recent stretch he just had. Unless you already predetermined that he won't be any good and are blindly doubling down despite the evidence in front of you. He's made noticeable improvements since his DNP but you would have to actually be objective and look into it and not just cling to your original opinion.
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| manlisten wrote: | | It's strange to criticize Max after the last game and recent stretch he just had. Unless you already predetermined that he won't be any good and are blindly doubling down despite the evidence in front of you. He's made noticeable improvements since his DNP but you would have to actually be objective and look into it and not just cling to your original opinion. |
I haven't watched EVERY game, but I haven't seen good play from him from all the times I've watched.
According to his game log, his best games are the 2 Spurs games and a few in blowout losses.
I'm not staying around to watch blowout losses, and I missed the last Spurs game.
The only thing I've seen from him is some defensive potential, but that's about it.
And if he's even merely a replacement-level player, why would that be valuable at all? The Lakers are better served saving some money by getting a good vet's minimum player.
The Lakers have stunk with those recently though. |
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| Japago wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
DLO and BI showed they are pretty good players. Maybe not stars but Ingram put up 25/6/6 on 58% TS%, Russell put up 23/6/4 on 56% TS%. Both were mediocre defenders but the point was their disappointing first year or two on the Lakers led people to call them busts, when they ended up as borderline all-star players (well Ingram, Russell's all star appearance was a fluke).
No one is saying Christie is going to be a star. He lacks the handles, vision, and general playmaking juice. But can he be a quality role player? It takes a lot of guys time to figure it out. Christie is NOT Cam Reddish in terms of shooting, he's been consistently >40% on spot up 3s and very good at attacking close outs his whole career. His defense is a work in progress, Dyson Daniels would be a dream obviously but there's nothing to indicate he won't be a plus defender.
At the very least he projects to be a rotation 3&D wing, maybe not a starter quality but still someone you'd slot next to a ball dominant star. These are the kind of guys we always want and seem to always give up on, from high end role players like Caruso and KCP to even SPJ. It's so obvious to me, I don't know how you just watch Christie and think "not an NBA player." That's how I feel about JHS and Bronny (and even with them I'm open to them being different players at Age 25 if they have the work ethic and drive -- I just wouldn't count on it) |
I don't want to dwell too much on DLo and BI, but fans had way, way too high of expectations of them and wanted to give them too much time to show potential that they didn't have.
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All three off the youngsters the Lakers moved became all-stars. Are we gonna pretend that didn't happen?
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| MJST wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
DLO and BI showed they are pretty good players. Maybe not stars but Ingram put up 25/6/6 on 58% TS%, Russell put up 23/6/4 on 56% TS%. Both were mediocre defenders but the point was their disappointing first year or two on the Lakers led people to call them busts, when they ended up as borderline all-star players (well Ingram, Russell's all star appearance was a fluke).
No one is saying Christie is going to be a star. He lacks the handles, vision, and general playmaking juice. But can he be a quality role player? It takes a lot of guys time to figure it out. Christie is NOT Cam Reddish in terms of shooting, he's been consistently >40% on spot up 3s and very good at attacking close outs his whole career. His defense is a work in progress, Dyson Daniels would be a dream obviously but there's nothing to indicate he won't be a plus defender.
At the very least he projects to be a rotation 3&D wing, maybe not a starter quality but still someone you'd slot next to a ball dominant star. These are the kind of guys we always want and seem to always give up on, from high end role players like Caruso and KCP to even SPJ. It's so obvious to me, I don't know how you just watch Christie and think "not an NBA player." That's how I feel about JHS and Bronny (and even with them I'm open to them being different players at Age 25 if they have the work ethic and drive -- I just wouldn't count on it) |
I don't want to dwell too much on DLo and BI, but fans had way, way too high of expectations of them and wanted to give them too much time to show potential that they didn't have.
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All three off the youngsters the Lakers moved became all-stars. Are we gonna pretend that didn't happen? |
"All-star in a good year and down year for others" kind of players aren't stars or even foundational NBA players. There's a reason why DLo and Randle have bounced around the NBA and the Pelicans want to get rid of Ingram.
You guys thought they would be WAY better than that.
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| Japago wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | It's strange to criticize Max after the last game and recent stretch he just had. Unless you already predetermined that he won't be any good and are blindly doubling down despite the evidence in front of you. He's made noticeable improvements since his DNP but you would have to actually be objective and look into it and not just cling to your original opinion. |
I haven't watched EVERY game, but I haven't seen good play from him from all the times I've watched.
According to his game log, his best games are the 2 Spurs games and a few in blowout losses.
I'm not staying around to watch blowout losses, and I missed the last Spurs game.
The only thing I've seen from him is some defensive potential, but that's about it.
And if he's even merely a replacement-level player, why would that be valuable at all? The Lakers are better served saving some money by getting a good vet's minimum player.
The Lakers have stunk with those recently though. |
Sure. You've acknowledged that you're not really familiar with the subject you're talking about so it makes sense that your opinion is uninformed.
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| manlisten wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | manlisten wrote: | | It's strange to criticize Max after the last game and recent stretch he just had. Unless you already predetermined that he won't be any good and are blindly doubling down despite the evidence in front of you. He's made noticeable improvements since his DNP but you would have to actually be objective and look into it and not just cling to your original opinion. |
I haven't watched EVERY game, but I haven't seen good play from him from all the times I've watched.
According to his game log, his best games are the 2 Spurs games and a few in blowout losses.
I'm not staying around to watch blowout losses, and I missed the last Spurs game.
The only thing I've seen from him is some defensive potential, but that's about it.
And if he's even merely a replacement-level player, why would that be valuable at all? The Lakers are better served saving some money by getting a good vet's minimum player.
The Lakers have stunk with those recently though. |
Sure. You've acknowledged that you're not really familiar with the subject you're talking about so it makes sense that your opinion is uninformed. |
If you want to dismiss my opinion because I haven't seen every single minute of every single game, so be it.
What I've seen from him isn't good or worthy of pushing along through his struggles.
I don't get attached to these "naturally-grown" players some of you guys do. That's just my honest opinion as someone looking for quality play from the supporting cast. |
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If you want to dismiss my opinion because I haven't seen every single minute of every single game, so be it.
What I've seen from him isn't good or worthy of pushing along through his struggles.
I don't get attached to these "naturally-grown" players some of you guys do. That's just my honest opinion as someone looking for quality play from the supporting cast. |
I mean you randomly come into the Max thread after his best game of the season and say he's not an NBA player. Then you admit that you didn't even see the game. So you're doing exactly what I suspected: blindly doubling down despite the evidence in front of you. So for that reason yes, I'm dismissing your opinion because you even acknowledged that it's not well informed.
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| Japago wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Japago wrote: | People want to give everyone young too much time to grow.
People wanted to give DLo and BI infinite time to grow into stars when I knew pretty early that they weren't on that level.
The earlier you figure out they're not at a level you expect them to be, the better. You can extract value from players before other teams figure that out.
It's his 3rd season and he doesn't look like an NBA-level player. That's pretty disappointing. |
DLO and BI showed they are pretty good players. Maybe not stars but Ingram put up 25/6/6 on 58% TS%, Russell put up 23/6/4 on 56% TS%. Both were mediocre defenders but the point was their disappointing first year or two on the Lakers led people to call them busts, when they ended up as borderline all-star players (well Ingram, Russell's all star appearance was a fluke).
No one is saying Christie is going to be a star. He lacks the handles, vision, and general playmaking juice. But can he be a quality role player? It takes a lot of guys time to figure it out. Christie is NOT Cam Reddish in terms of shooting, he's been consistently >40% on spot up 3s and very good at attacking close outs his whole career. His defense is a work in progress, Dyson Daniels would be a dream obviously but there's nothing to indicate he won't be a plus defender.
At the very least he projects to be a rotation 3&D wing, maybe not a starter quality but still someone you'd slot next to a ball dominant star. These are the kind of guys we always want and seem to always give up on, from high end role players like Caruso and KCP to even SPJ. It's so obvious to me, I don't know how you just watch Christie and think "not an NBA player." That's how I feel about JHS and Bronny (and even with them I'm open to them being different players at Age 25 if they have the work ethic and drive -- I just wouldn't count on it) |
I don't want to dwell too much on DLo and BI, but fans had way, way too high of expectations of them and wanted to give them too much time to show potential that they didn't have.
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All three off the youngsters the Lakers moved became all-stars. Are we gonna pretend that didn't happen? |
"All-star in a good year and down year for others" kind of players aren't stars or even foundational NBA players. There's a reason why DLo and Randle have bounced around the NBA and the Pelicans want to get rid of Ingram.
You guys thought they would be WAY better than that. |
They became All-Stars, one lead his team to the Playoffs by himself, the otherb ecame a foundation piece for the Knicks as well as their heart and soul, whom they are strongly missing right now, and the other averaged 27 PPG while trying to carry his team out of the first round while his superstar teammate was out injured.
All three of them have shown merit. Are they superstars? No. But they're about as talented as you could ask for outside of that DLO has turned out to be a Top 5 player from that draft as well as an all-star. Ingram's turned out to be the 2nd best player of his draft, Randle has turned out to be Top 5 in his.
The only thing you could have asked is for them to be superstars. But All-Star isn't easy and right now if you were to hear that Knecht goes on to become an all-star and was Top 3-5 in his draft class in terms of who pans out we'd all be over the moon.
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| manlisten wrote: | | Japago wrote: |
If you want to dismiss my opinion because I haven't seen every single minute of every single game, so be it.
What I've seen from him isn't good or worthy of pushing along through his struggles.
I don't get attached to these "naturally-grown" players some of you guys do. That's just my honest opinion as someone looking for quality play from the supporting cast. |
I mean you randomly come into the Max thread after his best game of the season and say he's not an NBA player. Then you admit that you didn't even see the game. So you're doing exactly what I suspected: blindly doubling down despite the evidence in front of you. So for that reason yes, I'm dismissing your opinion because you even acknowledged that it's not well informed. |
Probably coming from the same kind of fan that needs a star in return for AR.
I just wanted to talk about him generally because of the outlandish claims that it's ok that he's not a reliable NBA player into his 3rd season.
I doubt my opinion would have changed over one game. But whatever, maybe he was amazing in that game.
You guys are the ones stubbornly sticking to your opinions.
You guys were penciling him into important roles in the off-season. And, he's looked nowhere close to that, other than maybe the last game according to you guys. |
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