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| FrankUnderwood wrote: | | He’s the perfect floor spacer for AD & Bron. We need to find a way to trade for a perimeter defender so we can move Rui to the bench. But for now I like the starting 5 used vs the Spurs last night |
We have that in vando and cam
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| BILBJH wrote: | More than jealousy, I'd say in the case of Reaves he knows if he feeds Bron and AD, he has a higher chance of keeping his job and staying in Los Angeles.
DK does the same thing, always looking to feed them, and when he had that bad turnover it's because he was trying too hard to get Bron the ball on the other side of the court.
I don't think Reaves is expendable because he's more crafty and a better playmaker than DK is. DK is decent at passing but Reaves makes a lot more difficult plays and can make more acrobatic shots.
I honestly think most of the problems stem from keeping LBJ fed and happy.
This still isn't much of a problem because he's the second best player, but it will become more of a problem as he deteriorates.
The young players feel obligated to try to pass to AD and Bron first and the opposing defenses know that so they cheat defensively, knowing those two will get the ball. The difference between AD and Jokic, is that AD will always try to score, while Jokic is more likely to pass out to the open man once the defense collapses in on him. If AD learns how to pass out quickly to those shooters, the team would do much better. |
You are exactly right. Can you imagine this team without LeBron and with a couple more young pieces at JJ’s disposal? It would be a much more fun team to watch. I don’t think AD cares about touches , but LeBron certainly does. The older he gets, more insecure he will become to prove people wrong, they results in more selfish plays and stat padding. Kobe has gone thru the same phase his last couple seasons. I really hope we move on from old geezers and just be a normal team. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Inverse wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | He’s the perfect floor spacer for AD & Bron. We need to find a way to trade for a perimeter defender so we can move Rui to the bench. But for now I like the starting 5 used vs the Spurs last night |
We have that in vando and cam |
Vando is a myth.
Cam is just…no. 
Real players please.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Damn yall starting beef between melanin challenged?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't noticed Austin sabotaging Knecht. i have noticed Austin being a little extra trigger happy. Just competing to get his own points. But I have also seen him swing the extra pass to Knecht many times. I don't know if having a fellow melanin challenged player on the team is motivating him to be more aggressive with looking for his own points, but I have noticed him becoming more selfish and prioritize getting his. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I haven't noticed Austin sabotaging Knecht. i have noticed Austin being a little extra trigger happy. Just competing to get his own points. But I have also seen him swing the extra pass to Knecht many times. I don't know if having a fellow melanin challenged player on the team is motivating him to be more aggressive with looking for his own points, but I have noticed him becoming more selfish and prioritize getting his. |
Where is this jealousy story coming from? Or is this one of those LG narrative observation? |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | More than jealousy, I'd say in the case of Reaves he knows if he feeds Bron and AD, he has a higher chance of keeping his job and staying in Los Angeles.
DK does the same thing, always looking to feed them, and when he had that bad turnover it's because he was trying too hard to get Bron the ball on the other side of the court.
I don't think Reaves is expendable because he's more crafty and a better playmaker than DK is. DK is decent at passing but Reaves makes a lot more difficult plays and can make more acrobatic shots.
I honestly think most of the problems stem from keeping LBJ fed and happy.
This still isn't much of a problem because he's the second best player, but it will become more of a problem as he deteriorates.
The young players feel obligated to try to pass to AD and Bron first and the opposing defenses know that so they cheat defensively, knowing those two will get the ball. The difference between AD and Jokic, is that AD will always try to score, while Jokic is more likely to pass out to the open man once the defense collapses in on him. If AD learns how to pass out quickly to those shooters, the team would do much better. |
You are exactly right. Can you imagine this team without LeBron and with a couple more young pieces at JJ’s disposal? It would be a much more fun team to watch. I don’t think AD cares about touches , but LeBron certainly does. The older he gets, more insecure he will become to prove people wrong, they results in more selfish plays and stat padding. Kobe has gone thru the same phase his last couple seasons. I really hope we move on from old geezers and just be a normal team. |
I think AD is a team oriented player, but he's been told to lead the offense so he's following instructions when he tries to be aggressive and score.
And normally, this is what should happen.
However, unlike Jokic, AD doesn't seem to be good at adapting. Jokic just knows automatically when he should score and when he should pass while I think JJ would actually need to explain to AD that now is the time to pass and kick it out.
Bron is fine also kicking it out, but only after he's got his numbers.
He was struggling for a long time so he was forcing his offense for a long time. For twenty years this didn't matter because he was the best player, but now finally has come the time where he needs to forget about his double digit streak or his triple doubles and do what is best.
His automatic points inside are no longer automatic. He's still really good but he gets stuffed by journeymen sometimes. He needs to always look for his lasers now that he has some again.
And yes, I look forward to this team when LBJ retires. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I haven't noticed Austin sabotaging Knecht. i have noticed Austin being a little extra trigger happy. Just competing to get his own points. But I have also seen him swing the extra pass to Knecht many times. I don't know if having a fellow melanin challenged player on the team is motivating him to be more aggressive with looking for his own points, but I have noticed him becoming more selfish and prioritize getting his. |
Where is this jealousy story coming from? Or is this one of those LG narrative observation? |
People said the same thing about DLO being jealous of Knecht during the Memphis game when he took some bad shots during Knecht's heater there. Then they shut up when DLO fed him the ball during the Utah game, because as it turns out things are never as simple as the stupid narratives people come up
And so it is with Reaves and Knecht. I have no idea why Reaves would feel jealous of Knecht when they have entirely different roles, and to the extent there's any competition it's just because having two bad defenders is worse than having one bad defender |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Inverse wrote: | | FrankUnderwood wrote: | | He’s the perfect floor spacer for AD & Bron. We need to find a way to trade for a perimeter defender so we can move Rui to the bench. But for now I like the starting 5 used vs the Spurs last night |
We have that in vando and cam |
I don't want to start Cam ever.
I don't hate him. You can give him rotation minutes. But the league has changed. The days of starting players like Tony Allen (on the Grizzlies) are over. He's not an offensive threat at all. You are forcing Bron and AD to play 4 on 5 on offense.
Cam has played 253 minutes this season and has taken 32 field goal attempts.
When healthy, Vando is a tier above Cam. You may be able to convince me of starting him. But Vando has been hurt for so long now. It is foolish to expect anything from him. He could not come back this season. And I wouldn't be surprised.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| Seriously, Knecht should have been starting 10 games ago. |
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| SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Someone had mentioned in the other thread that Reeves might be jealous of DK4. I kind of sensing that too. I know two of them has great rapport prior, but things can change when fame is involved. I hope the Laker brass keep a close eye on Reeves, if he indeed tries to sabotage DK4’s game then Reeves needs to be traded. DK4 is they kind of dog lakers desperately need. |
BS.
They play well together and AR has assisted on a lot of DK's makes. They need a strong defender at the 3 who can make 3s - a prime Danny Green or current KCP would kill with them.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What’s K4 best position SG or SF. |
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| zambia wrote: | | What’s K4 best position SG or SF. |
He has more or less the same role in the offense from either position, so it comes down more to what he's better at defending, which will always be a matchup thing more so than where his position is.
If he can beat 2s off closeouts or get his shot off on them then he can play both.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | Someone had mentioned in the other thread that Reeves might be jealous of DK4. I kind of sensing that too. I know two of them has great rapport prior, but things can change when fame is involved. I hope the Laker brass keep a close eye on Reeves, if he indeed tries to sabotage DK4’s game then Reeves needs to be traded. DK4 is they kind of dog lakers desperately need. |
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Yeah an AR-DK4 jealousy narrative might be the stupidest thing I’ve read on LG this season. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| He needs to stay starting and keep gaining experience and confidence |
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| Black Sheep wrote: | | He needs to stay starting and keep gaining experience and confidence |
Mos def!
The guy is averaging 20 points per game as a starter. He has earned this opportunity. |
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JJ CoTY will make the right moves.
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49% fg
44 % 3p
12 ppg
I think if Vando ever comes back we should switch back to him starting along with dalton and Dlo
AD/Wood
Lebron/Rui
Vando/Max
Dalton/austin
Dlo/Gabe
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | 49% fg
44 % 3p
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I think if Vando ever comes back we should switch back to him starting along with dalton and Dlo
AD/Wood
Lebron/Rui
Vando/Max
Dalton/austin
Dlo/Gabe |
I agree 100% and really think this should be our every day lineup
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | 49% fg
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I think if Vando ever comes back we should switch back to him starting along with dalton and Dlo
AD/Wood
Lebron/Rui
Vando/Max
Dalton/austin
Dlo/Gabe |
It was last week that the stat was making rounds on twitter, but DLo/DK were amongst the highest duo offensive ratings in the nba
only right that we pair that with our 2 best players as well
also, no more Gabe please. his little 5 minute stints are useless.
JJ just needs to cut him out of the rotation |
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DLo is the best with DK and with AD. All the numbers say that he should be starting with them both
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| MJST wrote: | | DLo is the best with DK and with AD. All the numbers say that he should be starting with them both |
Yes, I think we should play these three players together when LBJ is off. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:41 am Post subject: |
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DK with yet another 20 piece! He has shown very good consistency, especially for a rook, each time he plays in the starting lineup.
He is deadly from anywhere on the court and he's a willing rebounder. His defense is a work in progress but the effort is there.
DB wrote: | Quote: | Knecht-- He led the team in scoring again. To start the game, we put him in the corner again and ignored him for the first 6 minutes. Once he started to finally get touches, we reeled back in the Thunder. He went 6-12 from three (love the volume and percentage, of course), and I think that includes a half court chuck at the buzzer to end the game. He went hard to the rim a couple of times. Once he was rejected by Hartenstein (who got the worst of that exchange, hitting the floor hard). The other time, he hammered on a couple players in transition. In crunch time, a couple big makes by Dalton. One was on an ATO play we’ve run previously that starts with some misdirection strong side before swinging it to AD who then screens and gives it Dalton. He buried the three there to cut the lead to 3 with 5 minutes left. A minute later, he sank a step-back three to cut the lead to 4. Reaves threw a soft inbounds toward Dalton in the final minute that was picked off. DK probably could have ran to the ball to cut the distance, but that was badly telegraphed. Painful turnover. AD did a good job finding Dalton a number of times in this game. I’d like to see those two run a little bit of two-man action every now and then late in games.
Stats: He scored 20 points on 7-16 shooting (6-12 from three) to go with 6 boards, 4 assists and 2 fouls in 33 minutes. He was a -10.
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He is averaging 19.7 ppg on great true shooting percentages in 7 games as a starter.
I recall Kuzma doing really well being an older rookie who also got to play right away, but Knecht is on a different level shooting the ball.
We should have a player here who can be our starting 2/3 for the next 7-8 years. As soon as possible we should get him at his best spot defensively and get the right pieces around him at 3 and 1. |
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| Inverse wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | 49% fg
44 % 3p
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I think if Vando ever comes back we should switch back to him starting along with dalton and Dlo
AD/Wood
Lebron/Rui
Vando/Max
Dalton/austin
Dlo/Gabe |
I agree 100% and really think this should be our every day lineup |
Vando is a myth.
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