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manlisten
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The main difference I see happening today vs 21 years ago Kobe would have never been allowed to keep playing in that 03-04 season. Not until his name was cleared. So he sits out the year. Can’t see in todays league and times a player be allowed to play with those charges hanging. |
You're still innocent until proven guilty. Josh Giddey went through a similar situation and played for months despite the allegations and investigation. Unfortunately for him even though his name was cleared but his reputation was ruined because nobody really bothered to keep up with the situation after the initial story broke.
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Halflife
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: |
The main difference I see happening today vs 21 years ago Kobe would have never been allowed to keep playing in that 03-04 season. Not until his name was cleared. So he sits out the year. Can’t see in todays league and times a player be allowed to play with those charges hanging. |
You're still innocent until proven guilty. Josh Giddey went through a similar situation and played for months despite the allegations and investigation. Unfortunately for him even though his name was cleared but his reputation was ruined because nobody really bothered to keep up with the situation after the initial story broke. |
pretty much - Once allegations are public it ruins the accused - assuming false. We saw it during the height of me too. Most were justified but a few slipped through the cracks. The problem for Hayes is that there is video -
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TooMuchMajicBuss
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Some people change, others don't.
Kobe took extraordinary steps to be the consummate family man and father after repairing his relationship with his wife. Consensual incident or not, what he did hurt his family badly, and he fixed it. And then some. If I hear anyone these days call Kobe a rapist, all credibility vanishes and I shut said person off as a judgmental moron.
Flip side, keeping a criminal history is important, because so many people do not change their tendencies. Repeat offenses are clear evidence a person isn't changing, and therefore more drastic measures are warranted to protect others. But not re-litigating the same offense over and over.
Holding grudges is a pathetic shortcut to justifying one's own self-righteousness. It's one thing to always remember, it's another to never forgive, never caring what changes the person makes.
Did Jaxon do all that was asked of him as a remedy, and did he express remorse?
Was Jaxon transparent with the Lakers and the NBA about it?
Most importantly - has Jaxon Hayes had ANY instances of threats or violence towards other people since the altercation in 2021? Hard fouls not included of course. Does anyone actually know this? Or has he learned from it and changed his ways?
I'm guessing the Lakers coaching staff are a lot more informed than we are. If you know the answer to this last question though, fill us in. |
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Halflife
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Some people change, others don't.
Kobe took extraordinary steps to be the consummate family man and father after repairing his relationship with his wife. Consensual incident or not, what he did hurt his family badly, and he fixed it. And then some. If I hear anyone these days call Kobe a rapist, all credibility vanishes and I shut said person off as a judgmental moron.
Flip side, keeping a criminal history is important, because so many people do not change their tendencies. Repeat offenses are clear evidence a person isn't changing, and therefore more drastic measures are warranted to protect others. But not re-litigating the same offense over and over.
Holding grudges is a pathetic shortcut to justifying one's own self-righteousness. It's one thing to always remember, it's another to never forgive, never caring what changes the person makes.
Did Jaxon do all that was asked of him as a remedy, and did he express remorse?
Was Jaxon transparent with the Lakers and the NBA about it?
Most importantly - has Jaxon Hayes had ANY instances of threats or violence towards other people since the altercation in 2021? Hard fouls not included of course. Does anyone actually know this? Or has he learned from it and changed his ways?
I'm guessing the Lakers coaching staff are a lot more informed than we are. If you know the answer to this last question though, fill us in. |
kobes situation was murky - cheating isn't bad - beyond that its he said she said- settling doesn't mean much other than 2 parties wanting it to go away.
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TooMuchMajicBuss
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kobes situation was murky - cheating isn't bad - beyond that its he said she said- settling doesn't mean much other than 2 parties wanting it to go away. |
??  pretty clear you missed the point, Kobe did much more than 'make it go away' he was a great Dad and husband from that point on. And that does mean much. Point is, what kind of person has Jaxon Hayes been for the last 3 years? My guess is nobody on this board has a clue, therefore is in poor position to judge. I'll bet the Lakers coaching staff will have a better feel for this than we do. If you know better let me know. |
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Halflife
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | | Halflife wrote: |
kobes situation was murky - cheating isn't bad - beyond that its he said she said- settling doesn't mean much other than 2 parties wanting it to go away. |
?? pretty clear you missed the point, Kobe did much more than 'make it go away' he was a great Dad and husband from that point on. And that does mean much. Point is, what kind of person has Jaxon Hayes been for the last 3 years? My guess is nobody on this board has a clue, therefore is in poor position to judge. I'll bet the Lakers coaching staff will have a better feel for this than we do. If you know better let me know. |
My post went haywire - kobe is the goat - never cared about colorado once all of the info came out - and unfortunately had he been found guilty I am the type of slime that probably would not have cared unless it was someone else - No more bias guy than me when it comes to kobe and a few others.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Some people change, others don't.
Kobe took extraordinary steps to be the consummate family man and father after repairing his relationship with his wife. Consensual incident or not, what he did hurt his family badly, and he fixed it. And then some. If I hear anyone these days call Kobe a rapist, all credibility vanishes and I shut said person off as a judgmental moron.
Flip side, keeping a criminal history is important, because so many people do not change their tendencies. Repeat offenses are clear evidence a person isn't changing, and therefore more drastic measures are warranted to protect others. But not re-litigating the same offense over and over.
Holding grudges is a pathetic shortcut to justifying one's own self-righteousness. It's one thing to always remember, it's another to never forgive, never caring what changes the person makes.
Did Jaxon do all that was asked of him as a remedy, and did he express remorse?
Was Jaxon transparent with the Lakers and the NBA about it?
Most importantly - has Jaxon Hayes had ANY instances of threats or violence towards other people since the altercation in 2021? Hard fouls not included of course. Does anyone actually know this? Or has he learned from it and changed his ways?
I'm guessing the Lakers coaching staff are a lot more informed than we are. If you know the answer to this last question though, fill us in. |
Again we already know that the organization knew about it because we knew about it because we were talking about it at the beginning of this thread when he was first signed. I guess the issue was that the NBA never did any type of an official punishment. And that may be warranted so he may be suspended for a bit or what have you. But this is not unknown knowledge. The video resurfacing is what is launching this NBA reaction. |
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Halflife
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| TDRock wrote: | | TooMuchMajicBuss wrote: | Some people change, others don't.
Kobe took extraordinary steps to be the consummate family man and father after repairing his relationship with his wife. Consensual incident or not, what he did hurt his family badly, and he fixed it. And then some. If I hear anyone these days call Kobe a rapist, all credibility vanishes and I shut said person off as a judgmental moron.
Flip side, keeping a criminal history is important, because so many people do not change their tendencies. Repeat offenses are clear evidence a person isn't changing, and therefore more drastic measures are warranted to protect others. But not re-litigating the same offense over and over.
Holding grudges is a pathetic shortcut to justifying one's own self-righteousness. It's one thing to always remember, it's another to never forgive, never caring what changes the person makes.
Did Jaxon do all that was asked of him as a remedy, and did he express remorse?
Was Jaxon transparent with the Lakers and the NBA about it?
Most importantly - has Jaxon Hayes had ANY instances of threats or violence towards other people since the altercation in 2021? Hard fouls not included of course. Does anyone actually know this? Or has he learned from it and changed his ways?
I'm guessing the Lakers coaching staff are a lot more informed than we are. If you know the answer to this last question though, fill us in. |
Again we already know that the organization knew about it because we knew about it because we were talking about it at the beginning of this thread when he was first signed. I guess the issue was that the NBA never did any type of an official punishment. And that may be warranted so he may be suspended for a bit or what have you. But this is not unknown knowledge. The video resurfacing is what is launching this NBA reaction. |
Silver turns his head until he cant - Just like his predecessor - Steroids, domestic violence - he wants no part of it until there is video.
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pjiddy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: |
The main difference I see happening today vs 21 years ago Kobe would have never been allowed to keep playing in that 03-04 season. Not until his name was cleared. So he sits out the year. Can’t see in todays league and times a player be allowed to play with those charges hanging. |
You're still innocent until proven guilty. Josh Giddey went through a similar situation and played for months despite the allegations and investigation. Unfortunately for him even though his name was cleared but his reputation was ruined because nobody really bothered to keep up with the situation after the initial story broke. |
Why do people think "innocent until proven guilty"--a principle that applies strictly to person's culpability--somehow extends to their employment status? Did you notice the Dodgers paying Bauer 30 million to not play baseball? Why didn't the Patriots keep Hernandez on the roster until he was "proven guity"? A team/league can decide to suspend (or even cut) someone if it's determined their presence is detrimental to their business.
Giddey kept playing because by the time the case ended up public, OKC had already done it's own review and concluded Giddey wasn't in legal trouble. |
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gng930
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| manlisten wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: |
The main difference I see happening today vs 21 years ago Kobe would have never been allowed to keep playing in that 03-04 season. Not until his name was cleared. So he sits out the year. Can’t see in todays league and times a player be allowed to play with those charges hanging. |
You're still innocent until proven guilty. Josh Giddey went through a similar situation and played for months despite the allegations and investigation. Unfortunately for him even though his name was cleared but his reputation was ruined because nobody really bothered to keep up with the situation after the initial story broke. |
Well he's still in the NBA making millions and will probably make millions more with his next contract. Not that it's totally right for him but people will forget.
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TMG
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| Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2024 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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(bleep) this bum. Get him off this team asap. To think this is the level Lakers have stooped to. Jaxson Hayes playing real minutes.
You absolute (bleep) wanker. |
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| I see no point in keeping Jaxson Hayes, usually in these kind of situations, the team always ends up parting ways with a player who gets himself in trouble, the Rockets did it with Kevin Porter Jr recently, they should just cut him and eat the cost and sign Dwight Howard as the replacement |
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This guy fumbled about 5 passes tonight... fumbled several rebounds
Whats wrong with this clown? Why cant he secure the ball? |
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Theseus
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RIP his right ankle
11/26/2024 - 11/26/2024 |
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| Quote: | | Lakers center Jaxson Hayes suffered a re-sprain of his right ankle and will miss two to three weeks, sources tell me and @mcten. |
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We are already one of the worst rebounding teams in the league and are about to get even worse.  |
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| Good to see Hayes back. We missed his activity. He’s been a very decent backup big for us ever since he got back out of the dog house last season. |
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| Welcome back Jax... Him and Koloko did their jobs tonight to fill in for AD. |
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Brawn13
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| He’s a decent backup. Plays hard and doesn’t force things |
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King Randle
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| I'm hoping JJ continues playing Hayes like he was prior to the injury and stays away from small ball unless the opposing team goes small. Rui, Bron and DFS cannot guard legit 5's and there is no resistance at the rim when they do this. |
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leking006
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| King Randle wrote: | | I'm hoping JJ continues playing Hayes like he was prior to the injury and stays away from small ball unless the opposing team goes small. Rui, Bron and DFS cannot guard legit 5's and there is no resistance at the rim when they do this. |
Yup. Add to it that JJ should sometimes try counter bigger teams with putting AD at PF then Hayes or Koloko @ C. They are capable of going big, JJ just prefer small ball which is actually negative. Bron can't be at C with his age now, and rui cant defend the paint, what more playing with bron. Rui should really be just a reliever for Bron. Bron ad Rui are bad combination. |
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