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I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves
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All the top teams in the NBA besides Denver have movie shooting bigs
Chet
Porzingis
KAT
I think not getting a big is a smart move. We need wood to come back asap. With all the wings we have we can beat Denver now.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
I dont think Rui is switcheable. Too slow for guards, too soft vs big men. The rest are ok though. Add Koloko also, he has shown that he can guard the perimeter.
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PICKnPOP
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
I dont think Rui is switcheable. Too slow for guards, too weak vs bug men. |
He’s not a stopper but as long as he’s giving effort he’s not going to be a guy you try and pick on. He’s strong and has a 7’2 wingspan. I don’t think he’s good at it but I’m ok with him switching to a big or wing and competing.
Idk if 2way players can play in the playoffs. So I’m not counting Koloko. Although he’s starting to get his legs under him and looks a lot better recently.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
I dont think Rui is switcheable. Too slow for guards, too weak vs bug men. |
He’s not a stopper but as long as he’s giving effort he’s not going to be a guy you try and pick on. He’s strong and has a 7’2 wingspan. I don’t think he’s good at it but I’m ok with him switching to a big or wing and competing. |
I would rather give his minutes to dfs if the main goal is to stop the opposing team from scoring. If offense is more needed then go with rui.
That's why JJ need to be smart. This Lakers team is almost have the right players like in 2019-2020, it's a matter on how JJ will use them.
Koloko/Hayes (McGee/Dwight)
DFS (DG)
Max/AR/Gabe (AC/KCP/Rondo)
Rui (Kuzma)
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leking006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:33 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
I dont think Rui is switcheable. Too slow for guards, too weak vs bug men. |
He’s not a stopper but as long as he’s giving effort he’s not going to be a guy you try and pick on. He’s strong and has a 7’2 wingspan. I don’t think he’s good at it but I’m ok with him switching to a big or wing and competing.
Idk if 2way players can play in the playoffs. So I’m not counting Koloko. Although he’s starting to get his legs under him and looks a lot better recently. |
If they cant get a big in a trade might as well give koloko a regular contract. Kid has potential. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:30 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
Great post, having s defensive identity is actually possible with this crew. Vincent has spurts of intense POA defense, Christie has closeout potential on shooters, DFS and a healthy Vando complement the scoring forwards (LBJ and Rui) well and AD is all world.
Yeah I think they'll look to the buyout market at C or PG but I like Jaxson's 5 boards and lob potential vs paying 2 1sts for WK. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| fansincemagic wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
Great post, having s defensive identity is actually possible with this crew. Vincent has spurts of intense POA defense, Christie has closeout potential on shooters, DFS and a healthy Vando complement the scoring forwards (LBJ and Rui) well and AD is all world.
Yeah I think they'll look to the buyout market at C or PG but I like Jaxson's 5 boards and lob potential vs paying 2 1sts for WK. |
Turner is the move to round out the roster. He is a big that can play with AD and Bron. You can start him and have a huge lineup. You can match up with any team. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:26 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
We do need a backup big unless Jaxson or wood can prove themselves as capable backups. Preferably a bigger stronger center that can give us 15-20 minutes of high energy- nick Richards would be perfect.
Let’s not kid ourselves, AD will be our 5 in crunch time otherwise we can only play 1 of max/DFS/RUI with the big lineup. We have to play our best players |
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I think Vando coming back may change how this team is viewed. I thinks major hole that goes unnoticed in most people’s criticism of this squad is simply effort. I think a lot of times what separates good from great players is the motor.
Lebron made a mistake last game and dive in the ground to grab the lose ball and save a turnover. Even at his age he cares…I believe that’s where motor comes from. Kobe had it, Jordan had it, Rodman had it in spades, and Vando def has it.
Dlo didn’t really have it. He didn’t play with a sense of urgency. He could do it at times but his effort usually waned quickly. He chalks it up to just not being athletic enough but that isn’t it. He just doesn’t care enough. I don’t think Austin is more athletic than DLo I just think Austin cares more.
Anyway, with the addition of DFS (who is another player that plays like the GAF). We have talent and motor on this team.
AD may seem to a lot of people like he doesn’t care, but his GAF factor shows up on the offensive boards and defensively. Lebron has to pick and choose when to Gaf at this point in his career.
Austin plays hard af. Nobody can deny that.
DFS plays hard af
Gabe plays hard af
Max plays hard af
Cam gives us a lot of effort defensively
These guys shouldn’t be traded in my opinion. We need guys that will leave it all out there if we make it to the playoffs.
Vando brings something we are missing though, which is someone that can put in that effort on the glass other than AD. Vando’s motor runs higher than all of them, but he’s also a pretty good rebounder. Defense and rebounding win championships. Which brings me to my next point, rebounding.
This is by far our biggest weakness in my opinion. Even when we get stops we give teams multiple opportunities to beat us. DFS and max have helped a little bit here but it’s not enough imo. Every laker championship team I’ve ever watched dominated the glass. I have a way to resolve this but a lot of people won’t like it…we would have to trade RUI.
When AD sits we get dominated on the glass and sometimes we get dominated even when he’s out there. It is what it is. Rui doesn’t have as much value as he once did before DFS. I think Rui should be flipped for Kessler and Sexton who will address a few holes we have.
Rebounding, bench points, and add more effort guys.
Idk I may be wrong but I think it would make us a championship team. We still need to see how the team looks with a healthy Vando, but I think sexton/kessler may be the missing pieces and are worth those 2 picks.
It’s gonna hurt to lose rui…he’s a proven playoff performer and maybe our best 3p shooter. I just don’t think he fits with the theme of this team anymore. We want guys that play with effort, try on defense.
AD/kessler
Lebron/vando
DFS/Dalton or reddish
Max/gabe
Austin/sexton
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Vando the messiah apparently the cure all for this team.
Reality going to hiiiiiit haaaaaaaard. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 9:13 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
I dont think Rui is switcheable. Too slow for guards, too weak vs bug men. |
He’s not a stopper but as long as he’s giving effort he’s not going to be a guy you try and pick on. He’s strong and has a 7’2 wingspan. I don’t think he’s good at it but I’m ok with him switching to a big or wing and competing. |
I would rather give his minutes to dfs if the main goal is to stop the opposing team from scoring. If offense is more needed then go with rui.
That's why JJ need to be smart. This Lakers team is almost have the right players like in 2019-2020, it's a matter on how JJ will use them.
Koloko/Hayes (McGee/Dwight)
DFS (DG)
Max/AR/Gabe (AC/KCP/Rondo)
Rui (Kuzma) |
If you want to make a comparison to the 2020 team, we don't have anyone like Rondo.
Rondo came in and sped up the pace of the game and got us into a fast-breaking type of game. He was also a pure point guard who set people up, and although he didn't shoot the ball much, when he did, he was efficient, including from 3-point range.
Bringing in a player roughly along the lines of that would greatly improve our team.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| slavavov wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | leking006 wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | I am very excited about the potential of this team defensively when healthy. We have a team full of very switchable defenders and with DFS, Max, Gabe, reaves and eventually Vando we have guys out there that play hard and give a lot of effort.
I’m starting to think that maybe a bigman isn’t as high a priority for the front office as it is for fans. Even if we went out and grabbed one of these guys they would be situational at best when the playoffs come around. I can only think of one maybe two teams we would need a bruising bigman for in the playoffs.
I think we want mobility and switchability.
AD
Bron
Rui
DFS
Vando
Reddish
Max
Gabe
We have a team full of rotational players that can guard multiple positions. This has the potential to be a very versatile defense.
When AD sits I would love to see
LeBron
Vando
Rui
DFS
Reaves |
I dont think Rui is switcheable. Too slow for guards, too weak vs bug men. |
He’s not a stopper but as long as he’s giving effort he’s not going to be a guy you try and pick on. He’s strong and has a 7’2 wingspan. I don’t think he’s good at it but I’m ok with him switching to a big or wing and competing. |
I would rather give his minutes to dfs if the main goal is to stop the opposing team from scoring. If offense is more needed then go with rui.
That's why JJ need to be smart. This Lakers team is almost have the right players like in 2019-2020, it's a matter on how JJ will use them.
Koloko/Hayes (McGee/Dwight)
DFS (DG)
Max/AR/Gabe (AC/KCP/Rondo)
Rui (Kuzma) |
If you want to make a comparison to the 2020 team, we don't have anyone like Rondo.
Rondo came in and sped up the pace of the game and got us into a fast-breaking type of game. He was also a pure point guard who set people up, and although he didn't shoot the ball much, when he did, he was efficient, including from 3-point range.
Bringing in a player roughly along the lines of that would greatly improve our team. |
Magee/Dwight rebounded and played much better defense, the comparison isn’t valid as that is what made the difference. I can see AC-Vincent and KCP—Max but Rondo-AR is a stretch tho because of defense. That 2020 team isn’t a blueprint for winning anyway as it was a poorly constructed roster without a starting PG or offense in the backcourt, there was no legitimate 3rd scoring option either. The biggest difference not accounted for is 2020 LBJ and 2020 AD. Both of those players from 2020 that we don’t have now were able to make up for that poor construction and win a title in spite of the holes. The current LBJ/AD combo is great but not enough to make up for the rest of the current 2025 poorly constructed team.
Add a better back up C that rebounds and plays defense and a starting PG that can be a legitimate 3rd option capable of getting his own shot consistently off the dribble and set up teammates, that would make the Lakers ship builders.
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: |
Add a better back up C that rebounds and plays defense and a starting PG that can be a legitimate 3rd option capable of getting his own shot consistently off the dribble and set up teammates, that would make the Lakers ship builders. |
Agreed.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: Defensive identity |
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| slavavov wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: |
Add a better back up C that rebounds and plays defense and a starting PG that can be a legitimate 3rd option capable of getting his own shot consistently off the dribble and set up teammates, that would make the Lakers ship builders. |
Agreed. |
I think that would take trading Austin. The lakers seem way too high on him. We can probably pull the backup bigman though.
I’d still like to see Gabe and DFS starting.
AD/
Bron/Rui
DFS
Max
Gabe/austin
I’d really really like to see this rotation because it makes us more balanced in my opinion. Solidifies us defensively in the starting unit and gives us a scoring punch off the bench.
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| This team is a bad influence on Max. That starting lineup it's basically him and AD defending. |
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| TMG wrote: | | This team is a bad influence on Max. That starting lineup it's basically him and AD defending. |
100% this. AR is stuck in mud defensively, Lebron is useless defensively and Rui is a lost cause. |
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