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svettarsalo Starting Rotation

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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 3:26 am Post subject: |
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There are two different situations with Knecht.
It's not a problem that he can't make shots. Every shooter has periods like this. The rookie wall is a real thing after all. We knew he couldn't defend when we drafted him. So maybe he can't be criticized too much this season.
But something else happened in last night's game. Amen Thompson rebounded his own shot after missing two free throws and scored.
Knecht forgot to box him out on that play. He simply forgot. This has nothing to do with the rookie wall or his lack of defense. This is something that requires a very basic basketball effort. And Knecht didn't do it.
This is a very bad signal. This is D'Lo-type carelessness. As a Lakers fan, I can understand him not playing well, but I can't understand him not giving even the simplest effort. He is a rookie, he has to make an effort. He has no right to be so careless that he doesn't make an effort.
This is unexcusable. If examples like this happen again, I strongly suggest to trade him. Nothing is expected from such players throughout their careers. Look at D'Lo and take your lessons. We don't need another D'Lo. |
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Rakim Allah Starting Rotation

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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:34 am Post subject: |
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svettarsalo wrote: | There are two different situations with Knecht.
It's not a problem that he can't make shots. Every shooter has periods like this. The rookie wall is a real thing after all. We knew he couldn't defend when we drafted him. So maybe he can't be criticized too much this season.
But something else happened in last night's game. Amen Thompson rebounded his own shot after missing two free throws and scored.
Knecht forgot to box him out on that play. He simply forgot. This has nothing to do with the rookie wall or his lack of defense. This is something that requires a very basic basketball effort. And Knecht didn't do it.
This is a very bad signal. This is D'Lo-type carelessness. As a Lakers fan, I can understand him not playing well, but I can't understand him not giving even the simplest effort. He is a rookie, he has to make an effort. He has no right to be so careless that he doesn't make an effort.
This is unexcusable. If examples like this happen again, I strongly suggest to trade him. Nothing is expected from such players throughout their careers. Look at D'Lo and take your lessons. We don't need another D'Lo. | So we don’t need another player who can help the Lakers get to the WCF or break and tie Laker 3 point records in the regular season and playoffs? Speak for yourself. Look at DLO and become an All Star while putting a lottery team on your back to the playoffs. As a Laker fan, I gladly take that. |
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Lakeshow23_ Star Player

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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Rakim Allah wrote: | svettarsalo wrote: | There are two different situations with Knecht.
It's not a problem that he can't make shots. Every shooter has periods like this. The rookie wall is a real thing after all. We knew he couldn't defend when we drafted him. So maybe he can't be criticized too much this season.
But something else happened in last night's game. Amen Thompson rebounded his own shot after missing two free throws and scored.
Knecht forgot to box him out on that play. He simply forgot. This has nothing to do with the rookie wall or his lack of defense. This is something that requires a very basic basketball effort. And Knecht didn't do it.
This is a very bad signal. This is D'Lo-type carelessness. As a Lakers fan, I can understand him not playing well, but I can't understand him not giving even the simplest effort. He is a rookie, he has to make an effort. He has no right to be so careless that he doesn't make an effort.
This is unexcusable. If examples like this happen again, I strongly suggest to trade him. Nothing is expected from such players throughout their careers. Look at D'Lo and take your lessons. We don't need another D'Lo. | So we don’t need another player who can help the Lakers get to the WCF or break and tie Laker 3 point records in the regular season and playoffs? Speak for yourself. Look at DLO and become an All Star while putting a lottery team on your back to the playoffs. As a Laker fan, I gladly take that. |
We don't need a starting PG that averaged 6 PPG on 38 TS% in the WCF and then in the following playoffs averaged 14 PPG on 48 TS%. All while being such a lazy defender that every team he plays for is either forced to bench or trade him.
We definitely don't need that. |
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Rakim Allah wrote: | svettarsalo wrote: | There are two different situations with Knecht.
It's not a problem that he can't make shots. Every shooter has periods like this. The rookie wall is a real thing after all. We knew he couldn't defend when we drafted him. So maybe he can't be criticized too much this season.
But something else happened in last night's game. Amen Thompson rebounded his own shot after missing two free throws and scored.
Knecht forgot to box him out on that play. He simply forgot. This has nothing to do with the rookie wall or his lack of defense. This is something that requires a very basic basketball effort. And Knecht didn't do it.
This is a very bad signal. This is D'Lo-type carelessness. As a Lakers fan, I can understand him not playing well, but I can't understand him not giving even the simplest effort. He is a rookie, he has to make an effort. He has no right to be so careless that he doesn't make an effort.
This is unexcusable. If examples like this happen again, I strongly suggest to trade him. Nothing is expected from such players throughout their careers. Look at D'Lo and take your lessons. We don't need another D'Lo. | So we don’t need another player who can help the Lakers get to the WCF or break and tie Laker 3 point records in the regular season and playoffs? Speak for yourself. Look at DLO and become an All Star while putting a lottery team on your back to the playoffs. As a Laker fan, I gladly take that. |
You will gladly take the Lakers being a lottery team so that one player can look better? Whatever. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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svettarsalo Starting Rotation

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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Rakim Allah wrote: | svettarsalo wrote: | There are two different situations with Knecht.
It's not a problem that he can't make shots. Every shooter has periods like this. The rookie wall is a real thing after all. We knew he couldn't defend when we drafted him. So maybe he can't be criticized too much this season.
But something else happened in last night's game. Amen Thompson rebounded his own shot after missing two free throws and scored.
Knecht forgot to box him out on that play. He simply forgot. This has nothing to do with the rookie wall or his lack of defense. This is something that requires a very basic basketball effort. And Knecht didn't do it.
This is a very bad signal. This is D'Lo-type carelessness. As a Lakers fan, I can understand him not playing well, but I can't understand him not giving even the simplest effort. He is a rookie, he has to make an effort. He has no right to be so careless that he doesn't make an effort.
This is unexcusable. If examples like this happen again, I strongly suggest to trade him. Nothing is expected from such players throughout their careers. Look at D'Lo and take your lessons. We don't need another D'Lo. | So we don’t need another player who can help the Lakers get to the WCF or break and tie Laker 3 point records in the regular season and playoffs? Speak for yourself. Look at DLO and become an All Star while putting a lottery team on your back to the playoffs. As a Laker fan, I gladly take that. |
Yeah, he was so good with us that we had to add 3 second round picks to D'Lo to get DFS via trade. D'Lo was so worthless that even his expiring contract didn't make him attractive. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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GG Dalton finally started hitting some threes.
All in on the DK4 development from now on. Lets see what we got.
Hopefully Rob isn't stupid enough trade away the picks. Keep the team as it is dont waste assets and go all in on developing DK-Christie and Reaves. |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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Good to see corner 3s go down. Why is his midrange automatic |
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Lakersfan1211 Star Player

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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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January going well compared to December for him. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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levon wrote: | Good to see corner 3s go down. Why is his midrange automatic |
DK a bucket. Next season he'll be much better. |
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svettarsalo Starting Rotation

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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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He is literally unplayable now.
He is incapable of defending even his own shadow.
But more importantly, no matter whom the Lakers put next to him in the front court, they can't even defend their own shadows, so it's not possible to hide Dalton's defensive weaknesses with a collective effort. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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svettarsalo wrote: | He is literally unplayable now.
He is incapable of defending even his own shadow.
But more importantly, no matter whom the Lakers put next to him in the front court, they can't even defend their own shadows, so it's not possible to hide Dalton's defensive weaknesses with a collective effort. |
DK4 needs development. Team isn't good enough to contend so giving DK development is important.
Rookie season. Full off season under his belt will do him good. Hopefully he'll be confident in his abilities next season because on offense he is well rounded. Defense hopefully gets better as well. |
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Zillethai Star Player

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Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Trash. I would give him 5 minutes of playing time.. you have 5 minutes to hit a shot. After that time, im pulling you. |
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ContagiousInspiration Franchise Player


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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:40 am Post subject: |
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I believe this young man will figure it out
Heart's in a good place *Does "this was a once in a lifetime trip" in the family tweet mean the young boy has a terminal condition?
Former Tennessee Vols star Dalton Knecht goes viral for incredible heartwarming gesture that made a young fan's dream come true
ZACH RAGANJAN 14, 2025 12:33 PM EST
https://atozsports.com/nashville/volunteers/former-tennessee-vols-star-dalton-knecht-viral-incredible-lakers-basketball/
Quote: | First, our hearts go out to all those affected by the LA wildfires. The smoke is real here in LA. We got my son tickets to see his hero
@DaltonKnecht3
vs the Spurs tonight and the game got postponed. We flew out from Tennessee in the snow just for the game. We won’t be able to fly back out as this was a once in a lifetime trip. We will make a few tourist stops today and fly back tomorrow. Good luck
@Lakers
and families and we will send all the thoughts and prayers from Tennessee.
https://x.com/donnie37355/status/1878134919920243026?
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Quote: | Knecht heard about the family's situation and his agent got in touch with the family to meet up while they were still in Los Angeles. According to the Facebook post, Knecht spent around 45 minutes with the family and even gave the young fan pair of game-worn shoes |
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pio2u Retired Number

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:43 am Post subject: |
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ContagiousInspiration wrote: | I believe this young man will figure it out
Heart's in a good place *Does "this was a once in a lifetime trip" in the family tweet mean the young boy has a terminal condition?
Former Tennessee Vols star Dalton Knecht goes viral for incredible heartwarming gesture that made a young fan's dream come true
ZACH RAGANJAN 14, 2025 12:33 PM EST
https://atozsports.com/nashville/volunteers/former-tennessee-vols-star-dalton-knecht-viral-incredible-lakers-basketball/
Quote: | First, our hearts go out to all those affected by the LA wildfires. The smoke is real here in LA. We got my son tickets to see his hero
@DaltonKnecht3
vs the Spurs tonight and the game got postponed. We flew out from Tennessee in the snow just for the game. We won’t be able to fly back out as this was a once in a lifetime trip. We will make a few tourist stops today and fly back tomorrow. Good luck
@Lakers
and families and we will send all the thoughts and prayers from Tennessee.
https://x.com/donnie37355/status/1878134919920243026?
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Quote: | Knecht heard about the family's situation and his agent got in touch with the family to meet up while they were still in Los Angeles. According to the Facebook post, Knecht spent around 45 minutes with the family and even gave the young fan pair of game-worn shoes |
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Still unplayable so far. Really hope he turns it around, but it’s very hard to believe in him right now. He probably needs to go to the G League to get some reps and try to build some confidence again. He’s just terrible on both ends now. |
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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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Still laughing at the “15 GMs need to be fired” line that sincerely rolled through Lakerland. |
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TMG Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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This dude is testing my patience. The rookie excuse is a cop out. There are plenty of rookies who contributed in their rookie season.
He flat out refused to shoot during this game at times. And his defense gives me headaches.
''he can be a flamethrower'' It's all potential but he's looked more a landry shamet than a legit threat on offense.
Again all would be forgiven if his defense was at least passable but he's about the worst defender on this team.
Cant have someone being a negative on both sides. He's actually making me hate watching him play. |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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And don't forget, he turns 24 right at the end of the season in mid April.
Some of this stuff is probably excusable at 19 years old, but he played college ball for 4 years. Those guys are supposed to be closer to finished products, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much upside.
If he's like this without much upside, what exactly are we looking at here? |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | And don't forget, he turns 24 right at the end of the season in mid April.
Some of this stuff is probably excusable at 19 years old, but he played college ball for 4 years. Those guys are supposed to be closer to finished products, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much upside.
If he's like this without much upside, what exactly are we looking at here? |
Doug McDermott basically. Really disappointing if we go from Kris Middleton to McBuckets. |
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BILBJH Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:56 am Post subject: |
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I said it before and I'll say it again.
They need to give him three shots in a row instead of spreading it out over several minutes.
He is choking big time, I get they've given him a lot of shots, but when he misses they need to keep feeding him until it goes in at least once. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 12:58 am Post subject: |
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I honestly think he just needs some time in the G-League to get back into a rhythm. He's streaky. He started off <30% iirc, then he went like 30-64 in a 10 game stretch or whatever, and now he's <20% |
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BILBJH Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:12 am Post subject: |
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Japago wrote: | And don't forget, he turns 24 right at the end of the season in mid April.
Some of this stuff is probably excusable at 19 years old, but he played college ball for 4 years. Those guys are supposed to be closer to finished products, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much upside.
If he's like this without much upside, what exactly are we looking at here? |
Knecht has been shooting horribly for two months straight.
And yet...
He's still shooting way better than Dejounte Murray at 24 years of age
Dalton vs. Dejounte
He's been dogsh*t for two straight months and his shooting is still 7 percentage points better than your pet Murray at 24.
And yes he sucks on defense.
But once his shot starts falling again. He's going to be like watching Herro shoot. |
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Japago Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:02 am Post subject: |
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BILBJH wrote: | Japago wrote: | And don't forget, he turns 24 right at the end of the season in mid April.
Some of this stuff is probably excusable at 19 years old, but he played college ball for 4 years. Those guys are supposed to be closer to finished products, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much upside.
If he's like this without much upside, what exactly are we looking at here? |
Knecht has been shooting horribly for two months straight.
And yet...
He's still shooting way better than Dejounte Murray at 24 years of age
Dalton vs. Dejounte
He's been dogsh*t for two straight months and his shooting is still 7 percentage points better than your pet Murray at 24.
And yes he sucks on defense.
But once his shot starts falling again. He's going to be like watching Herro shoot. |
I can't believe this needs to be said, but there's far more to basketball than 3PT shooting.
Dejounte Murray might have the most all-around talent among PGs. He's a scorer, defender, rebounder, and play-maker. He's scored in the 20's on solid efficiency and has even had solid years as a 3PT shooter.
Knecht is only really a shooter right now, and only a slightly above average one at that. And considering his age, you can't really expect him to develop many skills that he hasn't already displayed at least a little of.
Older rookies are supposed to be more NBA ready, but have less upside. That's the trade off between drafting older 22/23 year old rookies vs 19/20 year old rookies. That's why younger players are typically drafted at the top over older, more NBA-ready players.
And, he's not even that good for someone who's supposed to be NBA-ready. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:03 am Post subject: |
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NBA speed and even most more NBA ready rookies start to come on in the 2nd half of the season after flourishes on the first half. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Let him sit for a while like they did Max. It’s a long season. He’ll get another opportunity when he deserves it. |
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