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DancingBarry
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 Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:13 pm Post subject: LAKERS -at- MAVS – 1-7-25 - DIY Thoughts and :-(( Ratings |
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I should be able to cover the next games. Haven’t watched today’s yet. Looks rough.
Post your thoughts and recaps here. |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Out rebounded and out shot!
Played down to their opponents no urgency tonight. |
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TMG
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
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TMG
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
A few moves is way too many moves 
Although i'd say it's alarming watching JJ's lineup rotations. And his refusal to put DFS in the starting lineup. But it really doesn't matter. Christie developing nicely though! Hope by the end of the season he'll look completely different. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
A few moves is way too many moves
Although i'd say it's alarming watching JJ's lineup rotations. And his refusal to put DFS in the starting lineup. But it really doesn't matter. Christie developing nicely though! Hope by the end of the season he'll look completely different. |
J.J. was searching for a lineup that actually wanted to COMPETE
Team played like they mistakenly thought that they were good enough to coast through this game to get a win.
It is clear that this is still LBJ's team, even at 40 years old - which is a direct indication/indictment that AD (an uber talented player that fill a stat sheet) is far from being Da Leader of Dis Team. If AD is the leader (at least on defense), he should be in Rui's FACE that he needs to get rebounds. It has been said that Rui is actually playing the opposing team's SF while allowing LBJ to defend against the opposing team's PFs - that still leads into many questions of who should be playing with LBJ.
~ It is noted that Rui has played well when LBJ has taken games off.
JKidd is a very good and experienced coach who (obviously) knows the core of the Lakers very well hence knowledgeable of small weaknesses that he can exploit. In addition, the Mavs were playing very well and had a SRO Crowd (20,000+ people in attendance for this game) t provide them extra energy.
DFS is already playing more minutes than Rui, hence he is our "Manu Ginobili!"). Knecht seems to have found his 3pt shooting touch. Vincent seems to be looking for his "legs." AR had a good night, but didn't produced at a level that is typical of his overall success
This year's team is definitely better than last year, that can confirm that a ibig part of the improvement is J.J. Are they among the elites, nope - but the close games with Houston and Cavs have highlighted how far they have come and how much farther they have to go.
Hopefully with Vando's return, a lot more energy and DAWG will be seen on the court because that is what Vando brings - along with extra possessions and defensive pressure.
The next game will show if this team has learn its lessons in Houston and Dallas |
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tox
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I continue to feel like this team is way too lacking in shotmaking to be anything near a contender. They basically need LeBron to be *that guy* and he's not reliably on offense anymore. |
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Brawn13
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| tox wrote: | | I continue to feel like this team is way too lacking in shotmaking to be anything near a contender. They basically need LeBron to be *that guy* and he's not reliably on offense anymore. |
Yup. We have to be honest…if LeBron and AD are your 2 best players, you’re cooked as a contender. Almost All nba champions have had an mvp caliber player leading the charge. AD played like one for the first week, and LeBron hasn’t truly been at that level since Solomon Hill blew up his ankle.
Before coaching/role players come into play….ask if we have a top 3 player in the league. We don’t and haven’t since 2021. Everything else doesn’t matter |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | ...
It is clear that this is still LBJ's team, even at 40 years old - which is a direct indication/indictment that AD (an uber talented player that fill a stat sheet) is far from being Da Leader of Dis Team. If AD is the leader (at least on defense), he should be in Rui's FACE that he needs to get rebounds. It has been said that Rui is actually playing the opposing team's SF while allowing LBJ to defend against the opposing team's PFs - that still leads into many questions of who should be playing with LBJ.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I’ve said this in a few other threads, but although this loss was real bad, I’m not gonna throw the toys out of the cot and say it’s impossible for us to compete. It’s not often at all that both Bron and AD will have stinkers
Put DFS in the starting lineup, ship Rui out either for a big of similar quality or an upgrade at the SF spot, and we’ll start to look more consistently competitive
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This is not a serious team. You have all of the momentum, leading 50-44, the team playing well defensively and reasonably well offensively. And then just like that everything goes to (bleep). Blown out by a G-league team. (bleep) off, Lakers, seriously. They make it incredibly hard for me to care and root for them. Disinterested, lackadaisical. Davis with the weak-ass layups, Reaves with head-scratching shot selection and his horrible defense.  |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| Nobody wrote: | | This is not a serious team. You have all of the momentum, leading 50-44, the team playing well defensively and reasonably well offensively. And then just like that everything goes to (bleep). Blown out by a G-league team. (bleep) off, Lakers, seriously. They make it incredibly hard for me to care and root for them. Disinterested, lackadaisical. Davis with the weak-ass layups, Reaves with head-scratching shot selection and his horrible defense. |
it should be noted (as per Tim Cato) that dallas put austin reaves into isolations 15 times. no one had done that more than eight times all season. it was an absolute ruthless roasting of him. literally the entire second half strategy was to take turns to cook reaves. When AR is a key (if not the top priority) to disrupt the Lakers’ flow since LBJ is usually in ISO waiting for a double-team where all actions on both sides just stops
Darius got the same treatment 16 times on his last game
JKidd also want to make sure Lebron was the lowman (not AD).
Dallas knew the Lakers would switch everything on the perimeter, so they'd screen again and again until they landed on a combination where AD was out of the paint & not on-ball, Reaves/Knecht/etc was on-ball, and Lebron was the help at the rim. LBJ usually doesn’t rotate on defense
When LBJ is thelow man who is the defender closest to the hoop on the weak side (side without the ball), LBJ will usually be the first to rotate and provide help defense (most times at the rim). If the 40 years old LBJ is just a little late, opposing teams have the advantage if they have the players to take advantage - like all elite teams (ie Cavs)
This game is clear evidence what good scouting and executing an effective game plan can result in.
We will see in the next game what JJ will do to help AR on defense so that he can be effective on offense. Which player would be best to play with LBJ on defense recognizing that LBJ will usually be a little late on key switches while being the low man.
If AD is not effective and/or making an impact at strategic times on offense, which Laker(s) would be the most effective to get offensive rebounds or make plays to get extra possessions. Maybe the solution will be found when Vando comes back. Maybe having CWood on the floor will help get cleaner looks for AD since Rui isn’t doing much/making an impact on offense or defense |
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-Team X missing its stars
-Team Y's fans feeling optimistic
-Team Y's players not playing as engaged defensively
-Team Y loses
-Team Y's fans feel much worse about the loss than usual given the built-in optimism.
Hate these games |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| A game to forget |
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| My bad, I missed the game. So I have nothing to contribute, good luck everybody! Hopefully we win every game from here on out |
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Embarrassing, looking straight up like an expensive paper tiger
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| miggz23 wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
You can’t say bron is this amazing player and AD is this 2 way juggernaut, and get a 3rd guy production, first dlo last year and now reaves and still need more help. We have solid pieces surrounding them. Bron and AD need to win the games. We have his coach.
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| Halflife wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
You can’t say bron is this amazing player and AD is this 2 way juggernaut, and get a 3rd guy production, first dlo last year and now reaves and still need more help. We have solid pieces surrounding them. Bron and AD need to win the games. We have his coach. |
Yea cause we all know it's that cut and dry and that's all it takes... Once again only Lebron gets held to that standard as a 40yo. Like he still in his prime. |
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A Mad Chinaman
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
You can’t say bron is this amazing player and AD is this 2 way juggernaut, and get a 3rd guy production, first dlo last year and now reaves and still need more help. We have solid pieces surrounding them. Bron and AD need to win the games. We have his coach. |
Yea cause we all know it's that cut and dry and that's all it takes... Once again only Lebron gets held to that standard as a 40yo. Like he still in his prime. |
JKidd is more experienced JJ (he should be!!!) and knows the strengths and weaknesses of LBJ/AD on a game that the players that were available played totally free and with great energy becuase of the 20,000 fans in attendance.
When J.J. went to a zone to try to stop the Mavs from hunting AR, they got burned.
With AD having an off-game, along with AR, the rest of the team weren't engaged enough.
Knecht seems to have started to get his shooting stroke back for shooting 3pts.
Hayes looked lost and didn't know how he could have been a key player to counter Mavs' zone defense.
Rui should have feasted from shooting at the free-throw line extended or backdoor action but doesn't seem to have the basketball iq to recognize when the opportunities presented themselves. |
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cheesehead88
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They need to do catch hedges with those Reaves iso
AR needs to watch Alex Caruso and Danny Green film, dig in force perimeter player one way and work in intense back pressure
Problem is that your 4 (Bron) and 3 (Rui) have limited range and not aware enough to scram AR to corner jumpshooters
They are relying on AD to scram help AR
Need a fast 4 that can scram and/or a 5 that that can actually block shots
| A Mad Chinaman wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | TMG wrote: | Kidd outcoached JJ and Mavs in general looked like the better team by miles even though they were down Kyrie and Luka along with Gafford.
Team ain't it. Never was. |
Whoever said we were? Everyone knows this team still a few moves away. |
You can’t say bron is this amazing player and AD is this 2 way juggernaut, and get a 3rd guy production, first dlo last year and now reaves and still need more help. We have solid pieces surrounding them. Bron and AD need to win the games. We have his coach. |
Yea cause we all know it's that cut and dry and that's all it takes... Once again only Lebron gets held to that standard as a 40yo. Like he still in his prime. |
JKidd is more experienced JJ (he should be!!!) and knows the strengths and weaknesses of LBJ/AD on a game that the players that were available played totally free and with great energy becuase of the 20,000 fans in attendance.
When J.J. went to a zone to try to stop the Mavs from hunting AR, they got burned.
With AD having an off-game, along with AR, the rest of the team weren't engaged enough.
Knecht seems to have started to get his shooting stroke back for shooting 3pts.
Hayes looked lost and didn't know how he could have been a key player to counter Mavs' zone defense.
Rui should have feasted from shooting at the free-throw line extended or backdoor action but doesn't seem to have the basketball iq to recognize when the opportunities presented themselves. |
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