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Zillethai
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| governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
We have a handful of problems... and yes he is one of them |
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| governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
Fans can't seem to grasp the main problem is that we have a 40 yr old Batman. Charles Barkley eluded to this, but he stopped short of pointing his finger at our Batman and Robin. He says we keep blaming everyone else, fingers always pointed elsewhere.
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| Zillethai wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
We have a handful of problems... and yes he is one of them |
He’s not untouchable, if that’s what you mean
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
Fans can't seem to grasp the main problem is that we have a 40 yr old Batman. Charles Barkley eluded to this, but he stopped short of pointing his finger at our Batman and Robin. He says we keep blaming everyone else, fingers always pointed elsewhere. |
I want AD to have a true defensive center behind him and we need Bron to be a true later year Karl Malone, board hard… AD will free safety
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Runway8 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
Fans can't seem to grasp the main problem is that we have a 40 yr old Batman. Charles Barkley eluded to this, but he stopped short of pointing his finger at our Batman and Robin. He says we keep blaming everyone else, fingers always pointed elsewhere. |
Bron still doing amazing things but I noticed the ball stop too many times and he dribbles around too long like he was going to take a shot while 4 guys stand around not knowing what to expect... |
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| ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
Fans can't seem to grasp the main problem is that we have a 40 yr old Batman. Charles Barkley eluded to this, but he stopped short of pointing his finger at our Batman and Robin. He says we keep blaming everyone else, fingers always pointed elsewhere. |
Bron still doing amazing things but I noticed the ball stop too many times and he dribbles around too long like he was going to take a shot while 4 guys stand around not knowing what to expect... |
Max is the only one that cuts in that situation |
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| governator wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
We have a handful of problems... and yes he is one of them |
He’s not untouchable, if that’s what you mean |
Austin does a lot of good things out there. But his defense is one of the team's largest issues right now. He's the guy being attacked more than anyone else right now. Followed by Dalton and Rui.
I think if you are trying to improve the team, Austin and Rui both need to be on the table in moves. I'd prefer to hold on to Austin out of those two. Because he competes and isn't afraid of big moments. I wouldn't be looking to trade him. But those two are the guys who have the most value, and who have contracts large enough that you don't need to bundle half the roster to match salaries. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
We have a handful of problems... and yes he is one of them |
He’s not untouchable, if that’s what you mean |
Austin does a lot of good things out there. But his defense is one of the team's largest issues right now. He's the guy being attacked more than anyone else right now. Followed by Dalton and Rui.
I think if you are trying to improve the team, Austin and Rui both need to be on the table in moves. I'd prefer to hold on to Austin out of those two. Because he competes and isn't afraid of big moments. I wouldn't be looking to trade him. But those two are the guys who have the most value, and who have contracts large enough that you don't need to bundle half the roster to match salaries. |
I mean, 1s are usually attacked on the perimeter league wide. You'd be hard-pressed to find a two-way creator guard. The Celtics have wisely hoarded two of them. Other than Holiday and White there's ...? Anthony Edwards? |
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Zillethai
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | ContagiousInspiration wrote: | | Runway8 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
Fans can't seem to grasp the main problem is that we have a 40 yr old Batman. Charles Barkley eluded to this, but he stopped short of pointing his finger at our Batman and Robin. He says we keep blaming everyone else, fingers always pointed elsewhere. |
Bron still doing amazing things but I noticed the ball stop too many times and he dribbles around too long like he was going to take a shot while 4 guys stand around not knowing what to expect... |
Max is the only one that cuts in that situation |
No one cuts besides Max and DK4 |
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Zillethai
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| governator wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR is not our problem |
We have a handful of problems... and yes he is one of them |
He’s not untouchable, if that’s what you mean |
I do mean that. I also mean he has too much responsibility on his shoulders, and he just doesnt have the talent.... bless his heart.
He's a 6th man. Hes not supposed to be a key piece in a franchise.
But he is... and here we are. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I still think he would be better coming off our bench. Especially now that we have a scoring issue on our bench. I propose starting
AD
Bron
DFS
Max
Gabe
Wood
Rui
Vando
Reddish
Reaves
I think Dalton I the odd man out when Vando comes back. Reaves and Rui off the bench could be pretty dynamic. We wouldn’t have that huge drop off in scoring. Plus, we can hide him from the better guards in the league from hunting him.
This starting unit doesn’t really have someone you can pick on like that. Three 3 and D players surrounding our two stars.
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | I still think he would be better coming off our bench. . |
IF D'lo was still on the team, sure. But he isn't. Your only options for starting PG if Reaves goes to the bench is Gabe Vincent, whom when he doesn't score 0 points is considered a good game.
And Shake Milton and... no.
The Lakers have no insurance at the point any longer. It's Reaves or LeBron and after that its a massive step down from what is needed, and what JJ in particular needs.
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PICKnPOP
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Lebron runs point and Gabe is just a 3&D player. Simple.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2025 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | I still think he would be better coming off our bench. . |
IF D'lo was still on the team, sure. But he isn't. Your only options for starting PG if Reaves goes to the bench is Gabe Vincent, whom when he doesn't score 0 points is considered a good game.
And Shake Milton and... no.
The Lakers have no insurance at the point any longer. It's Reaves or LeBron and after that its a massive step down from what is needed, and what JJ in particular needs. |
Gabe produced more assists than AR last game. In 8 fewer minutes. |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | Lebron runs point and Gabe is just a 3&D player. Simple. |
Gabe is not a reliable 3 point shooter.
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PICKnPOP
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| Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | Lebron runs point and Gabe is just a 3&D player. Simple. |
Gabe is not a reliable 3 point shooter. |
He still hits them. I’ve noticed that he takes a lot of off the dribble shots. We want him just spotting up. I think he would do good in that role.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | Lebron runs point and Gabe is just a 3&D player. Simple. |
Gabe is not a reliable 3 point shooter. |
He still hits them. I’ve noticed that he takes a lot of off the dribble shots. We want him just spotting up. I think he would do good in that role. |
You don't want a career 33% three point shooter in a 3 and D role.
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PICKnPOP
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| MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | Lebron runs point and Gabe is just a 3&D player. Simple. |
Gabe is not a reliable 3 point shooter. |
He still hits them. I’ve noticed that he takes a lot of off the dribble shots. We want him just spotting up. I think he would do good in that role. |
You don't want a career 33% three point shooter in a 3 and D role. |
I’m fine with it, actually. I think it’s about the quality of looks. Lebron will get him good looks. Besides, when I think about 3&D players I just watch to see how the defense plays them. If they close out hard on you then the defense clearly respects your ability to shoot. You did your job.
It’s not like Vando who’s is just left wide open.
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| PICKnPOP wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | Lebron runs point and Gabe is just a 3&D player. Simple. |
Gabe is not a reliable 3 point shooter. |
He still hits them. I’ve noticed that he takes a lot of off the dribble shots. We want him just spotting up. I think he would do good in that role. |
You don't want a career 33% three point shooter in a 3 and D role. |
I’m fine with it, actually. I think it’s about the quality of looks. |
If it was about quality looks, Westbrook wouldn't have shot 29% from three as a Laker.
Gabe is a bad three point shooter, 'good looks' or not. You're trying to force yourself to believe the difference between a bad shooter and a good one is being open. IF that was the case Cam Reddish wouldn't be shooting 29% from three.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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The guy is literally getting picked on on defense, and some people refuse to put blame on him.
Did I put that tweet here were someone observed that he was put in iso 15 times against the Mavs? Non-star players are picking on him, that's pathetic.
His bad defense is so bad that it can outweigh his offensive production.
It sounds harsh with his offensive production, but he does seem more like a 6th man on a true title contending team, where he can score and defend against the opposing back-ups. |
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| Japago wrote: | The guy is literally getting picked on on defense, and some people refuse to put blame on him.
Did I put that tweet here were someone observed that he was put in iso 15 times against the Mavs? Non-star players are picking on him, that's pathetic.
His bad defense is so bad that it can outweigh his offensive production.
It sounds harsh with his offensive production, but he does seem more like a 6th man on a true title contending team, where he can score and defend against the opposing back-ups. |
Ideally if Gabe could replicate who we thought he was with Miami he'd probably start and Reaves would be the 6th man.
He was playing well before the injury.
but overall just too many holes that needs to be plugged this year for this team to be legit. Wont happen. |
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | | Japago wrote: | The guy is literally getting picked on on defense, and some people refuse to put blame on him.
Did I put that tweet here were someone observed that he was put in iso 15 times against the Mavs? Non-star players are picking on him, that's pathetic.
His bad defense is so bad that it can outweigh his offensive production.
It sounds harsh with his offensive production, but he does seem more like a 6th man on a true title contending team, where he can score and defend against the opposing back-ups. |
Ideally if Gabe could replicate who we thought he was with Miami he'd probably start and Reaves would be the 6th man.
He was playing well before the injury.
but overall just too many holes that needs to be plugged this year for this team to be legit. Wont happen. |
I never believed in Vincent. I looked at his total body of work for his career when Rob first signed him and saw the Miami finals run looked like a fluky aberration. There’s no way I would have switched out Schroeder’s multiple consistent seasons for that and I questioned Rob’s logic at the time. It would have been Scbroeder’s 3rd season with AD/LBJ and just didn’t make sense.
There has been a false rumor floating that Schroeder signed for more than the Lakers could afford but that has been debunked.
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People need to stop waiting on Vincent to replicate his 3 game run from 2 years ago and focus on the players that can actually play well on a consistent basis. There are players that have had multiple good SEASONS that don't get as much benefit of the doubt as Vincent has for 3-4 games.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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The word is out around the league: Target AR.. smother him on defense... he'll turn the ball over with his mediocre handle
Target him on offense... he cant stay in front of his man. |
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