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MJST
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Just playing around w/the trade machine this would work.
Lakers get
- Trae
Hawks get
- Rui
- Gabe
- Vando
- JHS
- 2 future 1st round picks
If need be, I would be willing to give them Knecht in place of JHS
This variation has us trading AR and keeping Knect
Lakers get
- Trae
- Nance Jr
Hawks get
- Rui
- AR
- Gabe
- Vando
- JHS
- 2 future 1st |
No on both of those. Lose our best defenders and third and fourth scorers for Trae whom is one of the worst defensive guards in the NBA, a high volume three point shooter that only shoots 33% from three this season and is a career 35% from three guy?
How about no. The Lakers already struggle defensively and made moves to become a defensive team, you're ripping both defense and their offensive depth just to add one of the worst defensive guards in the league in Trae and his high end contract. We already know how that story ends.
Trae is not Steph, no matter how hard ESPN tries to make it so and that 2021 season is a distant memory by now as he has neither built on it, nor recaptured it.
There's nothing Trae gives us as the third option that Austin Reaves already can't do in the same position for far less money, and Reaves is a better defender than Trae even.
Trae as first option that gets ALL the shots on his team averages about 25 a game on 43% from the field and 35% from three. Austin Reaves as our third option in the way Redick is using him is putting up 21/7/5 on 44% field and 36% three along with 1.2 steals a game. That's about the exact same you'd get from Trae in a third option role at best. And if you hate watching teams exploit Reaves on defense, wait till you see what they'd do to Trae Young.
And the main difference is Reaves gives you as a third option as Redick uses him, what Trae would, and Reaves isn't gonna cost you 45-48 million.
Don't get lost up in the lights because of what Trae does on a team where he gets to do whatever he wants and is the focal point of their offense. Be realistic about the kind of role he has here, and understand we already have someone that fills that role without losing our depth along with it.
Reaves as a third option gives us exactly what Trae would, while being a better defender and costing a boatload less. Move on from Trae.
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gng930
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Can't aggregate Schro unfortunately. And the salaries don't work out to where you can make it two separate transactions that obviate the need for aggregation.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | Just playing around w/the trade machine this would work.
Lakers get
- Trae
Hawks get
- Rui
- Gabe
- Vando
- JHS
- 2 future 1st round picks
If need be, I would be willing to give them Knecht in place of JHS
This variation has us trading AR and keeping Knect
Lakers get
- Trae
- Nance Jr
Hawks get
- Rui
- AR
- Gabe
- Vando
- JHS
- 2 future 1st |
No on both of those. Lose our best defenders and third and fourth scorers for Trae whom is one of the worst defensive guards in the NBA, a high volume three point shooter that only shoots 33% from three this season and is a career 35% from three guy?
How about no. The Lakers already struggle defensively and made moves to become a defensive team, you're ripping both defense and their offensive depth just to add one of the worst defensive guards in the league in Trae and his high end contract. We already know how that story ends.
Trae is not Steph, no matter how hard ESPN tries to make it so and that 2021 season is a distant memory by now as he has neither built on it, nor recaptured it.
There's nothing Trae gives us as the third option that Austin Reaves already can't do in the same position for far less money, and Reaves is a better defender than Trae even.
Trae as first option that gets ALL the shots on his team averages about 25 a game on 43% from the field and 35% from three. Austin Reaves as our third option in the way Redick is using him is putting up 21/7/5 on 44% field and 36% three along with 1.2 steals a game. That's about the exact same you'd get from Trae in a third option role at best. And if you hate watching teams exploit Reaves on defense, wait till you see what they'd do to Trae Young.
And the main difference is Reaves gives you as a third option as Redick uses him, what Trae would, and Reaves isn't gonna cost you 45-48 million.
Don't get lost up in the lights because of what Trae does on a team where he gets to do whatever he wants and is the focal point of their offense. Be realistic about the kind of role he has here, and understand we already have someone that fills that role without losing our depth along with it.
Reaves as a third option gives us exactly what Trae would, while being a better defender and costing a boatload less. Move on from Trae. |
Trae gets 1.3spg lol! 😂 …
and 4.3topg
But he’s down to 22ppg. Westbrook went from 22ppg down to 17ppg, so expect Trae to end up scoring less than AR ppg if traded to the Lakers.
Such a bad move. No go fo sho!
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| Quote: | Frankly, it's a surprise Ball is even on the court at all after missing the past 2½ years with knee problems. But what's more remarkable is that, now that he has returned, Ball has immediately begun making the kinds of contributions to winning that he did before injuries derailed his career.
While his numbers aren't eye-popping, this stat is: Chicago is a full 10 points per 100 possessions better with Ball on the court this season than when he's off, making him an intriguing possibility for teams as a free agent this summer.
"When he plays, he's very impactful," an executive said.
"Someone is going to get him next year and look smart," another exec said.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/43336269/nba-surprises-disappointments-embiid-kat-wemby-more-stars
It's behind a pay-wall but that's the blurb on Lonzo. He's somehow doing this despite shooting less than 30% from the arc. I know there's a risk but it's hard not to be tempted by the ceiling here and the fact that we can buy low. If he can shoot 35% from the arc, he gives us exactly what we need from a 3rd guard. Would love to get Lonzo and Olynyk and I don't think it'd even cost us any FRPs.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| He starting to shoot better and better, give me lonzo also. |
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I suggested going after Lonzo before the season even began, provided he's healthy. I guess it's a good sign that he looks healthy when he plays, even if I wanted to him have more games played. He's played exactly half of their games so far, 19 out of 38.
For a low cost, I'd take a shot. His defense, rebounding, and passing would do wonders for this team.
I'm not exactly jumping at using the Lakers' final trade-able big salary for this though.
I think the Lakers need to think bigger, and work their way down the list of potential deals. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Zo's probably signing with the Clippers for the minimum next year |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Kinda wish we tried to get Westbrook for the min in the offseason. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:26 am Post subject: |
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FWIW, Lonzo on the Lakers (at the time potentially) hiring JJ.
| Quote: | | "I played with JJ, I know him personally. I told you, he's one of the smartest people I know," Ball said. "I don't think that's a bad move at all. He already cool with Bron. He played for a minute, too. It's not like he was just in the league, he actually put in real time." |
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logical24
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Bulls held trade talks with the Lakers. Those talks didn't go very far, and with the Lakers having traded D'Angelo Russell to the Brookly Nets, it's unlikely those talks will pick back up per Joe Cowly/Chicago Sun Times |
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Jamesikan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| Laker's Fan wrote: | FWIW, Lonzo on the Lakers (at the time potentially) hiring JJ.
| Quote: | | "I played with JJ, I know him personally. I told you, he's one of the smartest people I know," Ball said. "I don't think that's a bad move at all. He already cool with Bron. He played for a minute, too. It's not like he was just in the league, he actually put in real time." |
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I would legitimately take a flyer on Lonzo. I loved his time on the Lakers and if he's back and healthy, he can more than contribute to this team. |
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gng930
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | I suggested going after Lonzo before the season even began, provided he's healthy. I guess it's a good sign that he looks healthy when he plays, even if I wanted to him have more games played. He's played exactly half of their games so far, 19 out of 38.
For a low cost, I'd take a shot. His defense, rebounding, and passing would do wonders for this team.
I'm not exactly jumping at using the Lakers' final trade-able big salary for this though.
I think the Lakers need to think bigger, and work their way down the list of potential deals. |
I could appreciate that mentality. I just see this as an opportunity to go low risk and high reward without spending FRPs. Don't forget that you can still trade players you recently acquired; you just can't aggregate.
Rui + JHS + Reddish + SRP for Lonzo
Gabe + Hayes for Olynyk
So in theory you still have, moving forward, options like:
Lonzo + FRP(s) for $21 million back
DFS + FRP(s) for $15 million back
Olynyk + FRP(s) for $13 million back
Wood + FRP(s) for $3 million back (e.g. Kessler)
All you're really excluding are the biggest fish and other than maybe Fox I think we're better off not pursuing those fish.
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| logical24 wrote: | NbaTradeCenter
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Bulls held trade talks with the Lakers. Those talks didn't go very far, and with the Lakers having traded D'Angelo Russell to the Brookly Nets, it's unlikely those talks will pick back up per Joe Cowly/Chicago Sun Times |
For who?
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I hope Flagg falls to an eastern conference team because I'd hate to have to go thru Jokic, Wemby and Flagg every year just to get to the finals. Not that it would affect our chances of winning a championship much but every bit helps.
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| governator wrote: | | logical24 wrote: | NbaTradeCenter
@nbatradecenter1
Bulls held trade talks with the Lakers. Those talks didn't go very far, and with the Lakers having traded D'Angelo Russell to the Brookly Nets, it's unlikely those talks will pick back up per Joe Cowly/Chicago Sun Times |
For who? |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | I hope Flagg falls to an eastern conference team because I'd hate to have to go thru Jokic, Wemby and Flagg every year just to get to the finals. Not that it would affect our chances of winning a championship much but every bit helps. |
Knowing how much the NBA loves rigging #1 for the Pels after they lose their franchise star... |
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| Aphex Twin wrote: | | Kinda wish we tried to get Westbrook for the min in the offseason. |
We could have tried but for the same $, there isn't a chance in hell Westbrook would agree to come back.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | Aphex Twin wrote: | | Kinda wish we tried to get Westbrook for the min in the offseason. |
We could have tried but for the same $, there isn't a chance in hell Westbrook would agree to come back. |
Oh no...Brodie doesn't want to come back...I am heartbroken and all that. |
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| Jamesikan wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | FWIW, Lonzo on the Lakers (at the time potentially) hiring JJ.
| Quote: | | "I played with JJ, I know him personally. I told you, he's one of the smartest people I know," Ball said. "I don't think that's a bad move at all. He already cool with Bron. He played for a minute, too. It's not like he was just in the league, he actually put in real time." |
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I would legitimately take a flyer on Lonzo. I loved his time on the Lakers and if he's back and healthy, he can more than contribute to this team. |
He wasn’t healthy as a Laker either year. He was fragile and missed return deadlines. Then he was also hurt when they traded him. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Lakers need a C, but let’s discuss defenseless Trae.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| deal wrote: | Lakers need a C, but let’s discuss defenseless Trae.
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Austin/Gabe-Max/DFS-Bron/Vando-AD/Rui-Kessler/Wood
How’s that for playoff run?
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| governator wrote: | | deal wrote: | Lakers need a C, but let’s discuss defenseless Trae.
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Austin/Gabe-Max/DFS-Bron/Vando-AD/Rui-Kessler/Wood
How’s that for playoff run? |
It's a fantasy one since Ainge and the Jazz has said countless times Kessler ain't available for trades.
Yet we somehow keep chasing him as if he's keyser soze. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | I hope Flagg falls to an eastern conference team because I'd hate to have to go thru Jokic, Wemby and Flagg every year just to get to the finals. Not that it would affect our chances of winning a championship much but every bit helps. |
The NCAA tape I've seen from Flagg doesn't look impressive.
I'm not worried about playing him in the future.
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Source: The Suns and Hornets have held preliminary trade discussions that would send Jusuf Nurkic and second-round picks for Nick Richards.
Phoenix has removed Nurkic from the rotation as they seek a trade.
Charlotte would send another player alongside Richards in the deal. |
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| logical24 wrote: | Evan Sidery
@esidery
Source: The Suns and Hornets have held preliminary trade discussions that would send Jusuf Nurkic and second-round picks for Nick Richards.
Phoenix has removed Nurkic from the rotation as they seek a trade.
Charlotte would send another player alongside Richards in the deal. |
If that's all it's going to take, please swoop in like we did for DFS and get him. We need rebounding ASAP. |
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