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jodeke Retired Number


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Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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LakerFan1987 wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | jodeke wrote: | California was once a wetter landscape but has since dried out and become a desert. When fires start here there is plenty of dry fuel to feed it. |
It feels like just two years ago (or even last year) there were unprecedented rainstorms and flooding. |
There was massive rainfall. Too bad our great leaders let it flow into the ocean. |
Yup! I don't know about the reservoir repairs. Had they been full a lot of property may have been saved. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of hail here today _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | jodeke wrote: | California was once a wetter landscape but has since dried out and become a desert. When fires start here there is plenty of dry fuel to feed it. |
It feels like just two years ago (or even last year) there were unprecedented rainstorms and flooding. |
There was massive rainfall. Too bad our great leaders let it flow into the ocean. |
Yup! I don't know about the reservoir repairs. Had they been full a lot of property may have been saved. |
Not true. I don't know why this has to keep being repeated, but the extent of the damage had nothing to do with a lack of water. The intensity of the winds driving the fires made for an extremely fast moving fire, spread embers over a huge area and grounded the air assault during the height of its spread.
Also, more water would not have eliminated the water pressure issues, which were caused by extensive demand and the fact that pumping stations were offline due to power outages. You aren't going to get more water through a system that is already incapable of pumping the water it has. _________________ "You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it."
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ribeye Franchise Player


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | jodeke wrote: | California was once a wetter landscape but has since dried out and become a desert. When fires start here there is plenty of dry fuel to feed it. |
It feels like just two years ago (or even last year) there were unprecedented rainstorms and flooding. |
There was massive rainfall. Too bad our great leaders let it flow into the ocean. |
Yup! I don't know about the reservoir repairs. Had they been full a lot of property may have been saved. |
Not true. I don't know why this has to keep being repeated, but the extent of the damage had nothing to do with a lack of water. The intensity of the winds driving the fires made for an extremely fast moving fire, spread embers over a huge area and grounded the air assault during the height of its spread.
Also, more water would not have eliminated the water pressure issues, which were caused by extensive demand and the fact that pumping stations were offline due to power outages. You aren't going to get more water through a system that is already incapable of pumping the water it has. |
I have to admit I'm at a disadvantage not hearing all the local reports, but whether a lack of water was any issue or not, the image of empty hydrants or better stated, hydrants that trickled instead of gushed, is not a good one. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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venturalakersfan Retired Number


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | jodeke wrote: | California was once a wetter landscape but has since dried out and become a desert. When fires start here there is plenty of dry fuel to feed it. |
It feels like just two years ago (or even last year) there were unprecedented rainstorms and flooding. |
There was massive rainfall. Too bad our great leaders let it flow into the ocean. |
Yup! I don't know about the reservoir repairs. Had they been full a lot of property may have been saved. |
Not true. I don't know why this has to keep being repeated, but the extent of the damage had nothing to do with a lack of water. The intensity of the winds driving the fires made for an extremely fast moving fire, spread embers over a huge area and grounded the air assault during the height of its spread.
Also, more water would not have eliminated the water pressure issues, which were caused by extensive demand and the fact that pumping stations were offline due to power outages. You aren't going to get more water through a system that is already incapable of pumping the water it has. |
I have to admit I'm at a disadvantage not hearing all the local reports, but whether a lack of water was any issue or not, the image of empty hydrants or better stated, hydrants that trickled instead of gushed, is not a good one. |
You would think that intelligent people would realize that electric-powered pumps might be compromised during an emergency when electricity might go out. The same thing happened here with the Thomas fire. Now there is a large diesel generator where the pumps into the hills stand. Other municipalities could have learned from that but they seem to find other ways to spend money. As DMR said it wouldn’t have made much difference in the huge winds during the Palisades fire but there’s a hell of a lot of other fires where it could make a difference. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | jodeke wrote: | California was once a wetter landscape but has since dried out and become a desert. When fires start here there is plenty of dry fuel to feed it. |
It feels like just two years ago (or even last year) there were unprecedented rainstorms and flooding. |
There was massive rainfall. Too bad our great leaders let it flow into the ocean. |
Yup! I don't know about the reservoir repairs. Had they been full a lot of property may have been saved. |
Not true. I don't know why this has to keep being repeated, but the extent of the damage had nothing to do with a lack of water. The intensity of the winds driving the fires made for an extremely fast moving fire, spread embers over a huge area and grounded the air assault during the height of its spread.
Also, more water would not have eliminated the water pressure issues, which were caused by extensive demand and the fact that pumping stations were offline due to power outages. You aren't going to get more water through a system that is already incapable of pumping the water it has. |
I have to admit I'm at a disadvantage not hearing all the local reports, but whether a lack of water was any issue or not, the image of empty hydrants or better stated, hydrants that trickled instead of gushed, is not a good one. |
Sure, it's not a great image, but the optics don't change the facts.
The Chiefs overseeing both the Eaton and Pali fires stated that even if the had access to much more water, it wouldn't have made a difference because the hydrant system couldn't have moved it.
The task given the conditions was insurmountable. The sheer scope and speed of the advancement was overwhelming.
Just to give you an idea of what firefighters were up against, in the neighborhood were my sister lost her house, she spoke to a neighbor on the phone early in the morning of the first night of the Eaton fire. He told her the fire was two blocks from theirs. Roughly 30 minutes later he texted her to say it was on their block and 15 or so minutes later her block was completely involved and every house was gone after that. That's 60ish houses in the span of 45 minutes, and that was just her street, not to mention the blocks of houses on either side of it. _________________ "You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it."
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ribeye Franchise Player


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | ribeye wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | jodeke wrote: | LakerFan1987 wrote: | CandyCanes wrote: | jodeke wrote: | California was once a wetter landscape but has since dried out and become a desert. When fires start here there is plenty of dry fuel to feed it. |
It feels like just two years ago (or even last year) there were unprecedented rainstorms and flooding. |
There was massive rainfall. Too bad our great leaders let it flow into the ocean. |
Yup! I don't know about the reservoir repairs. Had they been full a lot of property may have been saved. |
Not true. I don't know why this has to keep being repeated, but the extent of the damage had nothing to do with a lack of water. The intensity of the winds driving the fires made for an extremely fast moving fire, spread embers over a huge area and grounded the air assault during the height of its spread.
Also, more water would not have eliminated the water pressure issues, which were caused by extensive demand and the fact that pumping stations were offline due to power outages. You aren't going to get more water through a system that is already incapable of pumping the water it has. |
I have to admit I'm at a disadvantage not hearing all the local reports, but whether a lack of water was any issue or not, the image of empty hydrants or better stated, hydrants that trickled instead of gushed, is not a good one. |
Sure, it's not a great image, but the optics don't change the facts.
The Chiefs overseeing both the Eaton and Pali fires stated that even if the had access to much more water, it wouldn't have made a difference because the hydrant system couldn't have moved it.
The task given the conditions was insurmountable. The sheer scope and speed of the advancement was overwhelming.
Just to give you an idea of what firefighters were up against, in the neighborhood were my sister lost her house, she spoke to a neighbor on the phone early in the morning of the first night of the Eaton fire. He told her the fire was two blocks from theirs. Roughly 30 minutes later he texted her to say it was on their block and 15 or so minutes later her block was completely involved and every house was gone after that. That's 60ish houses in the span of 45 minutes, and that was just her street, not to mention the blocks of
houses on either side of it. |
I accept all of what you say. Still, changes are in order so that this doesn't happen, or at least, is mitigated: fire Depts. all financed sufficiently, with all engines functional, reservoirs are all functional, growth trimmed or eliminated (households and businesses responsible for their buildings and proximity, city/county responsible for theirs, state and federal for theirs), wires placed underground, buildings built to 21st century standards and not 20th.
We now live with the global warming/climate change that Republicans and their monied interests have fought since the days of Rush, and now, today and posterity must pay for this ignorance and hubris. _________________ "A metronome keeps time by using a Ringo" |
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DaMuleRules Retired Number


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Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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ribeye wrote: | . . . changes are in order so that this doesn't happen, or at least, is mitigated: fire Depts. all financed sufficiently, with all engines functional, reservoirs are all functional, growth trimmed or eliminated (households and businesses responsible for their buildings and proximity, city/county responsible for theirs, state and federal for theirs), wires placed underground, buildings built to 21st century standards and not 20th.
We now live with the global warming/climate change that Republicans and their monied interests have fought since the days of Rush, and now, today and posterity must pay for this ignorance and hubris. |
Agreed on all points.
I regards to the bolded, it is imperative that in the extensive rebuilding in the fire areas, new regulations need to be put in place to emphasize fire resistant construction techniques.
When the media was doing live reporting on the damage in Pali that first morning, one reporter was at the one house in blocks that was still standing and showing no signs of there even being a fire. It was a new home finished 6 months ago and the architect happened to be there checking out the house for the owners. He discussed the various aspects of the design which were untilized to reduce the chance of catching fire in just this type of event. _________________ "You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it."
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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2025 9:57 am Post subject: |
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The beaches from Malibu to Playa Del Rey are closed indefinitely due to toxic runoff from the burn zones on the coast. _________________ "You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it."
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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DaMuleRules wrote: | The beaches from Malibu to Playa Del Rey are closed indefinitely due to toxic runoff from the burn zones on the coast. |
There is no technology to remove pollution. It can take years for the water to be considered safe. I wonder how many people will be arrested for trespassing? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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The air had a lot had a much ashier odor today in Santa Monica. Did anyone else notice? |
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | DaMuleRules wrote: | The beaches from Malibu to Playa Del Rey are closed indefinitely due to toxic runoff from the burn zones on the coast. |
There is no technology to remove pollution. It can take years for the water to be considered safe. I wonder how many people will be arrested for trespassing? |
I'd be surprised if there are any arrests. They will likely just tell people to move along.
Back in my youth living in Santa Monica, we'd go out surfing all the time during beach closures due to runoff pollution (stupid, yes, given hepatitis concerns). Lifeguards would just wave us in a tell us to leave . . . we'd just come back a bit later after they had left. Never got hassled by the cops. _________________ "You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it."
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Little update on the Altadena situation. We were finally able to get entry to my GFs apartment. Luckily no structural damage but there is ash everywhere and it smells of smoke, big time. We were able to get a bunch of items out. But the place is uninhabitable.
Still RADIO SILENCE from the freakin landlord. What a pos. It is crazy on the street as some houses are untouched while the house right next door is completely burnt to the ground. Unreal. _________________ "No amount of money ever bought a second of time." |
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Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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PLATNUM wrote: | Little update on the Altadena situation. We were finally able to get entry to my GFs apartment. Luckily no structural damage but there is ash everywhere and it smells of smoke, big time. We were able to get a bunch of items out. But the place is uninhabitable.
Still RADIO SILENCE from the freakin landlord. What a pos. It is crazy on the street as some houses are untouched while the house right next door is completely burnt to the ground. Unreal. |
Does your girlfriend have homeowners insurance? _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Seems like every time there are large fires in LA rain follows. _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2025 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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jodeke wrote: | Seems like every time there are large fires in LA rain follows. |
It's a function of the atmospheric effects of the Santa Anas. Hot dry air blows out to sea. A low pressure results inland, drawing moist air from the ocean which condenses when it makes landfall, particular when it goes over the mountains. _________________ "You know it seems the more we talk about it, it only makes it worse to live without it."
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