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Iām surprised that MLB hasnāt implemented electronic scoring, as with tennis it would seem to be a good fit.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Iām surprised that MLB hasnāt implemented electronic scoring, as with tennis it would seem to be a good fit. |
What do you mean? Like Robo-umps?
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | Iām surprised that MLB hasnāt implemented electronic scoring, as with tennis it would seem to be a good fit. |
It's just a matter of time. The minor leagues have already been experimenting with the automated strike zone, and based on where the wind is blowing, I think what you're going to see within the next 5 years in Major League Baseball is not an automated system for every single call, but, rather, a challenge system. This would allow for managers to issue challenges for any potential ball 4 or strike 3 call. I'm sure they would have some sort of limit on how many challenges a manager can issue per game, and maybe if they get a challenge right they keep the challenge.
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As for the technology, as was posted, it exists and the NFL is looking at it, but there are questions as to how to implement that makes one wonder. |
Yes, I was thinking about the fact that certainly they could or already do have a chip in the ball and figure out via technology if it passed the first down line or goal line or whatever.
But just because the ball gets past the line, it doesn't always mean it is a first down due to forward progress, whistle blowing, etc.
So it is a bit trickier to implement it in a way that would fix some of the calls in the NFL but on the play Buffalo didn't get, that technology would probably have been sufficient to get the call right as forward progress was not an issue there as far as Allen lunging or something after he had been stopped.
As far as baseball, I absolutely want the automated strike zone...just way too arbitrary the way it is now especially combined with the speed and break of a lot of the pitches now. There is too much variation from umpire to umpire with some doing a terrible job of calling balls and strikes.
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Robo umps will never come to MLB, and the proof is the player most robbed of correct ball and strike calls, Aaron Judge: just due to his height, its well documented that umps have NO IDEA how to call his strike zone, which is "supposed" to be between the belt and knees of the batter. MLB clearly wants Judge to get homers, as its good for the league, yet the umps continually get it wrong...
Add to that the Ump/ref unions and voila! we have a system that will never change IMO.
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| eddiejonze wrote: | Robo umps will never come to MLB, and the proof is the player most robbed of correct ball and strike calls, Aaron Judge: just due to his height, its well documented that umps have NO IDEA how to call his strike zone, which is "supposed" to be between the belt and knees of the batter. MLB clearly wants Judge to get homers, as its good for the league, yet the umps continually get it wrong...
Add to that the Ump/ref unions and voila! we have a system that will never change IMO. |
Yeah, I'm highly skeptical that will ever happen for that very reason; and also that baseball is way too entrenched in "tradition"; I mean the whole idea that even questioning a ball/strike call can get you tossed speaks to teh overemphasis on the "sanctity" of umps.
But as ChickenStu said, it's way overdue. I think there should be a review system on Balls and Strikes, but I don't think it should be limited to 3rd Strikes or 4th balls; a bad call at any point in the sequence is a problem that could ruin an at bat for either side. Obvious there need to be some kind of limits, but not being able to review a lousy call on the first pitch kind of makes the idea of review kind of pointless IMO.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
As for the technology, as was posted, it exists and the NFL is looking at it, but there are questions as to how to implement that makes one wonder. |
Yes, I was thinking about the fact that certainly they could or already do have a chip in the ball and figure out via technology if it passed the first down line or goal line or whatever.
But just because the ball gets past the line, it doesn't always mean it is a first down due to forward progress, whistle blowing, etc.
So it is a bit trickier to implement it in a way that would fix some of the calls in the NFL but on the play Buffalo didn't get, that technology would probably have been sufficient to get the call right as forward progress was not an issue there as far as Allen lunging or something after he had been stopped.
As far as baseball, I absolutely want the automated strike zone...just way too arbitrary the way it is now especially combined with the speed and break of a lot of the pitches now. There is too much variation from umpire to umpire with some doing a terrible job of calling balls and strikes. |
Sure, but those are different scenarios that one can work into the system.
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Sure, but those are different scenarios that one can work into the system. |
Totally, but it seems like there will always be some "human" involvement which is part (or most) of the current problem.
But I can't imagine the NFL of my youth (no replay) in the modern game, it has definitely improved the game as far as getting more of the calls right so I support anything in the future that could make the system even better as far as that goes.
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Sure, but those are different scenarios that one can work into the system. |
Totally, but it seems like there will always be some "human" involvement which is part (or most) of the current problem.
But I can't imagine the NFL of my youth (no replay) in the modern game, it has definitely improved the game as far as getting more of the calls right so I support anything in the future that could make the system even better as far as that goes. |
I think the inherent flaw in the current system is that the reviews function more as a vehicle to confirm bad calls by officials on the field by default; thatās essentially mandated by the hierarchy of how things are determined. A call in the field cannot be overturned without conclusive video evidence. It should be the opposite; the call made on the field in realtime (an obviously difficult thing to do and thus is prone to error) should be secondary to anything seen on multiple video angles.
If a call goes to review, the assumption should be that the call itself is suspect and it should be the job of the video to prove the call on the field was correct. If there is not conclusive evidence that it is, the call should be negated.
Obviously, in a system where it is wholly subjective on both ends, there are going to be errors. But a least if you put the weight on the side of the video evidence rather than the humans on the field, you can reduce the claims that the officials on the field are controlling the outcome. Of course you still have a problem that humans are reviewing the video evidence, but at least you are erring on unbiased video as the starting point of validity to the call.
Thatās kind of a wordy explanation, so I hope it makes sense.
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I know this is the NFL thread so I won't harp on this after this...but the automated zone is coming to MLB, in some form, relatively soon. The genie is out of the bottle. Too many AB's are being ruined and it's a truly awful look for the sport when the entire viewing audience at home immediately knows what a strike is and what a ball is and the call is missed. It's already being tested in the minors, as I said. It's a runaway train, relatively speaking. It's just a question of how they end up introducing it. I'd love it on every pitch, but I don't think it is going to be that drastic. The safest thing to do is to allow the umps to continue to make calls, but you have the failsafe of being able to challenge all potential walks or strikeouts. It's not perfect, and a missed 1-1 pitch is still a big deal, but having such a challenge system in place at least allows a hitter with a great eye to not chase a 2-strike pitch, as opposed to how it is now, where a bad umpire can get into a hitter's head and he may feel compelled to swing at a bad ball.
OK, last time I mention baseball here, promise! As it relates to the NFL, yeah, it would be easy to put a tiny chip in the ball that measures the spot down to the inch, but I'm with DMR. Can't manipulate calls that way, so I'll believe it when I see it. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | I know this is the NFL thread so I won't harp on this after this...but the automated zone is coming to MLB, in some form, relatively soon. The genie is out of the bottle. Too many AB's are being ruined and it's a truly awful look for the sport when the entire viewing audience at home immediately knows what a strike is and what a ball is and the call is missed. It's already being tested in the minors, as I said. It's a runaway train, relatively speaking. It's just a question of how they end up introducing it. I'd love it on every pitch, but I don't think it is going to be that drastic. The safest thing to do is to allow the umps to continue to make calls, but you have the failsafe of being able to challenge all potential walks or strikeouts. It's not perfect, and a missed 1-1 pitch is still a big deal, but having such a challenge system in place at least allows a hitter with a great eye to not chase a 2-strike pitch, as opposed to how it is now, where a bad umpire can get into a hitter's head and he may feel compelled to swing at a bad ball.
OK, last time I mention baseball here, promise! As it relates to the NFL, yeah, it would be easy to put a tiny chip in the ball that measures the spot down to the inch, but I'm with DMR. Can't manipulate calls that way, so I'll believe it when I see it. |
One hopes. It may be the advent of the strike zone graphic on TV now, but it feels like the calls are getting worse and the umps are just doubling down on it because of the exposure. 
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | LakerLanny wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: |
Sure, but those are different scenarios that one can work into the system. |
Totally, but it seems like there will always be some "human" involvement which is part (or most) of the current problem.
But I can't imagine the NFL of my youth (no replay) in the modern game, it has definitely improved the game as far as getting more of the calls right so I support anything in the future that could make the system even better as far as that goes. |
I think the inherent flaw in the current system is that the reviews function more as a vehicle to confirm bad calls by officials on the field by default; thatās essentially mandated by the hierarchy of how things are determined. A call in the field cannot be overturned without conclusive video evidence. It should be the opposite; the call made on the field in realtime (an obviously difficult thing to do and thus is prone to error) should be secondary to anything seen on multiple video angles.
If a call goes to review, the assumption should be that the call itself is suspect and it should be the job of the video to prove the call on the field was correct. If there is not conclusive evidence that it is, the call should be negated.
Obviously, in a system where it is wholly subjective on both ends, there are going to be errors. But a least if you put the weight on the side of the video evidence rather than the humans on the field, you can reduce the claims that the officials on the field are controlling the outcome. Of course you still have a problem that humans are reviewing the video evidence, but at least you are erring on unbiased video as the starting point of validity to the call.
Thatās kind of a wordy explanation, so I hope it makes sense. |
Yeah, I agree. This whole "confirming the call on the field" thing when it is an obviously incorrect call seems fixable.
Overall, brining technology in more to remove human error and/or bias can only be a good thing.
Unless you are a Chiefs fan of course (sorry, couldn't resist) 
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| Justin Tucker is the next DeShaun Watson. |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Justin Tucker is the next DeShaun Watson. |
Gotta let the process play out and see what the actual facts are. On the one hand, I'm always a bit suspicious when alleged activities come to light over a decade later. Not dismissive, mind you, but suspicious. Having said that, what makes me suspicious of Tucker's innocence would be whether or not he was actually banned from two health spas in the past. That would certainly lend credence to the thought that he had behaved inappropriately. |
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Different sport but Apropos to the current conversation:
https://www.nbcnews.com/sports/nba/terry-rozier-betting-investigation-rcna190040
If 2 players have done this in just the last year in the NBA, then it CLEARLY happens in the NFL....Players, coaches, or REFS is the question.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Justin Tucker is the next DeShaun Watson. |
Gotta let the process play out and see what the actual facts are. On the one hand, I'm always a bit suspicious when alleged activities come to light over a decade later. Not dismissive, mind you, but suspicious. Having said that, what makes me suspicious of Tucker's innocence would be whether or not he was actually banned from two health spas in the past. That would certainly lend credence to the thought that he had behaved inappropriately. |
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Ravens Kicker Justin Tucker Reportedly Banned From Baltimore Spas After Sexual Misconduct Allegations
Six massage therapists have accused the NFL kicker of sexual misconduct. Tucker and his attorneys have vehemently denied the allegations.
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| Quote: | | Ravens kicker Justin Tucker has been accused of sexual misconduct by six massage therapists at four spas in the Baltimore area, according to a report by The Baltimore Banner. |
Ravens' Justin Tucker accused of inappropriate sexual behavior by six massage therapists
Julie Scharper, Brenna Smith and Justin Fenton
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| Quote: | | Several therapists said Tuckerās behavior was so egregious that they ended his sessions early or refused to work on him again. And, at two spas, management said they banned him from returning. |
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | | Justin Tucker is the next DeShaun Watson. |
Gotta let the process play out and see what the actual facts are. On the one hand, I'm always a bit suspicious when alleged activities come to light over a decade later. Not dismissive, mind you, but suspicious. Having said that, what makes me suspicious of Tucker's innocence would be whether or not he was actually banned from two health spas in the past. That would certainly lend credence to the thought that he had behaved inappropriately. |
Since forever, women who were sexually assaulted have been viewed with suspicion, regardless of the time frame of when they came forward. As a result, many didnāt do so because of that suspicion and the desire to not become victimized a second time through that suspicion.
When women take years to finally come forward, that is typically a function of the above, not a lack of credibility.
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When something weighs heavily the weight sometimes becomes overwhelming. When it does some women will come forward to unburden the weight. They've most likely weighed the consequences and decided relief was worth a second victimization. Those who falsely accuse make it difficult for victims to come forward.
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Well, Goodell made a statement that there is no league effort to favor the Chiefs and the Chiefs' President says they haven't benefitted from favorable officiating . . . so I guess that puts that to bed. 
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Well, Goodell made a statement that there is no league effort to favor the Chiefs and the Chiefs' President says they haven't benefitted from favorable officiating . . . so I guess that puts that to bed. |
Yikes, Even Jimmy the Greek would disagree.
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5 days to possibly witnessing history being made. I want to witness history. If the Chiefs win Super Bowl LIX some are going to say it's tainted. There's going to be a lot of scrutiny on the officials because recently officials were busted for gambling. Refs are going to be damned if they do and damned if they don't. Enjoy the Super Bowl if you can.
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| jodeke wrote: | | 5 days to possibly witnessing history being made. I want to witness history. |
Interesting . . . why haven't you mentioned this before?
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| Quote: | Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce are stoked to play in front of a sitting president during the Super Bowl ... with both Kansas City Chiefs superstars telling reporters Sunday's big game will be extra special with Donald Trump in the building.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | 5 days to possibly witnessing history being made. I want to witness history. |
Interesting . . . why haven't you mentioned this before? |
You're either being sarcastic, or you haven't been reading my posts. I've mentioned it numerous times along with wanting to see Saquon break Erick Dickerson's single-season rushing record to witness NFL history.
| Quote: | | I'm torn. I want to see Saquon get a ring but I also want to witness history. I shade with history because a 3peat is difficult. |
| Quote: | | I won't be rooting for the Chiefs but I want to witness history. I also want to see Saquon get a ring. I lean more toward the Chiefs because an NFL 3peat has never been done. They are difficult to achieve. The last professional team to do it was Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal and the Los Angeles Lakers, who won NBA championships in 2000, 2001, and 2002. |
| Quote: | | I want to witness history. GO CHIEFS!! |
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