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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | Seriously conceded that they will demand him in a trade For Fox.
Rui
Gabe
Dalton
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Lakers get fox
AD/wood
Bron/vando
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Should they do it idk, will they if they have the chance? Probably. Fox is clutch. |
Fox would put up the same stats Reaves does as a third option. Pointless trade that loses us more than it gains.
And not worth losing Knecht. Rui, Gabe, and 2FRP over. All it'd do is gut our team. The team has bigger needs than whatever Fox gives for all that's lost.
You think the bench is bad now? Wait if you got rid of everything for Fox. |
DFS/Vando allows for the loss of Rui plus perhaps Wood comes back at some point. Fox would replace Gabe so no loss there either. What “everything” are you talking about to gut the team? Can’t be just Knecht can it? How would the bench be much different than now?
Fox may or may not sink to put up the same as AR, it’s a stretch to say that but let’s say it’s come true, it would still be Fox+AR which is much better than just AR. Fox/AR as the 3rd/4th options is much more lethal and productive than AR/Rui as 3rd/4th options.
Fox/AR/Max >>>>> Gabe/AR/Max, so much better that it makes up for Knecht/Rui. Split forward minutes between 3 players (LBJ/DFS/Vando), and split guard minutes between 3 players (Fox/AR/Max). With Rui there’s a log jam at the 3/4 while a deficiency exist at the 1/2. Sure, Gabe is improving but far from adequate, Fox would be a worthy upgrade. It seems to me from your past posts that you have the capacity to see tho, what’s really on your mind? |
Bench would be very different. You're losing any and all bench scoring you could have because
1) JJ isn't benching AR or Fox.
So you have a backcourt of AR and Fox and all your bench scoring is gone. You have no Gabe. You have no Rui, you have no Knecht.
You are essentially going to be asking Wood to come back and carry the bench scoring because you aren't getting that from Vando or from DFS either.
That kind of stuff catches up and again isn't worth what you lose.
If you trade Rui you move him for someone that can give you what he can as a scorer and there point shooter but is also a better defender.
You don't make lateral moves for another guard.
Working smarter is a lot more ideal. I'd move Rui for a player like a Myles Turner before I ever did for a player like Fox. Because Fox Nets us nothing new and guts our bench and our picks and our future.
Myles has a much less steeper asking price and fills a need we actually have as well as being able to replace the production Rui could give whole being a defender AND allowing AD to play the 4 more.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Happy for Dalton! He's been good as of recent. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2025 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: |
I mean yeah exactly, I'm not sure why everyone is throwing a fit when we're just a little thin at the spot that Knecht plays. Plus, the only way to get out of a slump is to keep shooting. Just feels like people are overreacting a little bit. (I'm not opposed to him getting G-League reps) |
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I’m not even mad he got that double tech. I’ve thought the refs have ignored a lot of fouls on his driving to the rim all season. Now guys are allowed to clobber him while he’s shooting 3’s too? Id be pissed too.
Especially since his shot wasn’t falling tonight. He’s shown enough this season already to prove he’s going to be a good pro. I want to see him hit the weights and get stronger, work on his handle, and study film on the defensive end.
I know he gets beat a lot defensively but it looks like he’s right there a lot of three times and they just make tough shots over him. If he watches film and raises his awareness he can be a half second earlier on close outs and maybe bother those shots a little more.
Hopefully we keep the kid because I like him.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2025 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Oh handle and weights are gonna be huge for him this summer. He’s gotta learn to initiate the contact and finish strong. Can’t wait to see how he develops this summer.
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| Dalton can really benefit from playing alongside Luka and LeBron, plus Hayes. Either the defense leaves Hayes open at the rim or Dalton open in the wing when Luka and LeBron start to cook. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Dalton can really benefit from playing alongside Luka and LeBron, plus Hayes. Either the defense leaves Hayes open at the rim or Dalton open in the wing when Luka and LeBron start to cook. |
100% agree. He's going to get a steady diet of lob dunks and open 3's from luka. We'll soon see the Dalton of earlier this year. Scary. |
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Dude is in his rookie season and was teammates with BRON AD LUKA  
He hit the jackpot.
Looks like he will get to finish the season with Bron and Luka beside him lol.. Got to be pretty cool for him
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If Dalton becomes who we think he could be, him and Reaves can take care of any secondary/third/fourth scoring that the team needs. And that's not even including Rui into the equation.
The Lakers at this point need a wing defender like they had in Christie though. If we ask ourselves if Knecht makes even a semi leap going into next season can he give us offensively pretty much what Rui can for much less? If the answer is yes, than we can start shopping Rui for a defensive 3-D player right now. But there isn't much at that price range that are significant defenders this season. Christie was such a perfect fit which is why losing him hurts so much. They don't grow on trees.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I agree Dalton is going to THRIVE playing with Luka (and LeBron).
Pump that trade value UP (I still have concerns about his defense) |
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| MJST wrote: | If Dalton becomes who we think he could be, him and Reaves can take care of any secondary/third/fourth scoring that the team needs. And that's not even including Rui into the equation.
The Lakers at this point need a wing defender like they had in Christie though. If we ask ourselves if Knecht makes even a semi leap going into next season can he give us offensively pretty much what Rui can for much less? If the answer is yes, than we can start shopping Rui for a defensive 3-D player right now. But there isn't much at that price range that are significant defenders this season. Christie was such a perfect fit which is why losing him hurts so much. They don't grow on trees. |
Same, the potential of Luka is real but the roster is so incomplete right now and I haven’t gotten a warm fuzzy over the years about Rob’s capabilities. Getting LBJ was a gift, AD dropped in his lap, Luka was good fortune. I would have preferred Knecth go out or even Vando instead of Max because he’s the only one of the three that plays both sides of the ball and the roster contains players that can cover for the loss of Vando/Knecht but not Max.
Holding my breath hoping Rob shocks me with a pleasant surprise.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2025 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| MJST wrote: | If Dalton becomes who we think he could be, him and Reaves can take care of any secondary/third/fourth scoring that the team needs. And that's not even including Rui into the equation.
The Lakers at this point need a wing defender like they had in Christie though. If we ask ourselves if Knecht makes even a semi leap going into next season can he give us offensively pretty much what Rui can for much less? If the answer is yes, than we can start shopping Rui for a defensive 3-D player right now. But there isn't much at that price range that are significant defenders this season. Christie was such a perfect fit which is why losing him hurts so much. They don't grow on trees. |
Agree on losing Max. Would've much rather found a way for Rui to be included but we had little room to keep MC out after keeping Dalton and a 1st out.
Unless Knecht can get Kessler, we should hold Dalton for dear life. We are going to need some high upside guys to pair Luka with in the future and Knecht can be a big time player. |
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Knecht shot like 17% for 2 months and his eFG or TS is still better than Kobe shot his entire career.
He's nowhere near the player Kobe was, but he rebounds and he'll be an automatic bucket with Luka and LBJ.
It pisses me off that some of you want to trade him for players who probably won't make that much of a difference.
He'll be a 20 PPG game player in a few years.
He's a pure shooter. You all are nuts to try to trade him. |
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That's my thought too. Actually on everyone in discussion. Dalton, rui, AR15, Vando. Just keep all the kids. Put christian on peds for that knee (why TF didn't he have the surgery right after the end of last season?). Get his ass in the starting lineup at center.
Basically, i don't want to just toss all the kids for a center that probably won't get us a ring anyway. We need these kids to jump start the Luka Magic Showtime Era post lebron.
See what you got first. Then be methodical this summer.
Wish we still had jay huff. Is Colin Castleton of any use? We don't need wilt chamberlain out there. we had fricken McGee in 2020 and we got the job done.
| BILBJH wrote: | Knecht shot like 17% for 2 months and his eFG or TS is still better than Kobe shot his entire career.
He's nowhere near the player Kobe was, but he rebounds and he'll be an automatic bucket with Luka and LBJ.
It pisses me off that some of you want to trade him for players who probably won't make that much of a difference.
He'll be a 20 PPG game player in a few years.
He's a pure shooter. You all are nuts to try to trade him. |
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| Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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If you want to project what dalton would look like with Luka, watch highlights of jones jr. during his time with the mavs and imagine dalton in his position.
Jones jr. wasn't resigned because his shooting in the playoffs was too inconsistent. Dalton is not the athlete of Jones but like JJ said he is a 1% shooter. You don't trade those guys especially if you have a Luca on your team. |
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| aiel wrote: | If you want to project what dalton would look like with Luka, watch highlights of jones jr. during his time with the mavs and imagine dalton in his position.
Jones jr. wasn't resigned because his shooting in the playoffs was too inconsistent. Dalton is not the athlete of Jones but like JJ said he is a 1% shooter. You don't trade those guys especially if you have a Luca on your team. |
This x 10. |
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He's been licking his chops since the trade was announced
Luka carries three guys into the rim and can flick a behind the head arrow to the guy waiting in his favorite spot BANG!!
He flings crazy passes like Jokic makes those EVIL over the head 3 pointers
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Again Dalton is on pace with similar rookies in his position yet shooting better than all of them. The Lakers are going to need shooters and scorers on this team, Reaves and Knecht are the players you keep. Rui and what he does can potentially be replaced by Knecht within an off-season of working.
But right now if you can't get anything better for Rui(ie: someone that does what Rui can do but plays defense) you don't make a move.
As far as a center goes. Hayes gets overlooked, but he did a great job against the Knicks and it needs to be talked about more, cause everyone here thought KAT was gonna destroy him.
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| oaktown_dimond wrote: | That's my thought too. Actually on everyone in discussion. Dalton, rui, AR15, Vando. Just keep all the kids. Put christian on peds for that knee (why TF didn't he have the surgery right after the end of last season?). Get his ass in the starting lineup at center.
Basically, i don't want to just toss all the kids for a center that probably won't get us a ring anyway. We need these kids to jump start the Luka Magic Showtime Era post lebron.
See what you got first. Then be methodical this summer.
Wish we still had jay huff. Is Colin Castleton of any use? We don't need wilt chamberlain out there. we had fricken McGee in 2020 and we got the job done.
| BILBJH wrote: | Knecht shot like 17% for 2 months and his eFG or TS is still better than Kobe shot his entire career.
He's nowhere near the player Kobe was, but he rebounds and he'll be an automatic bucket with Luka and LBJ.
It pisses me off that some of you want to trade him for players who probably won't make that much of a difference.
He'll be a 20 PPG game player in a few years.
He's a pure shooter. You all are nuts to try to trade him. |
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Wood was rehabbing another injury from last season during the summer. The knee didn't even pop up as an issue until he was doing his ramp up training to prepare for this season after he finally recovered from the other injury. Just extremely unlucky for him. |
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Nice to see Dalton signing LeBron #23 jerseys after the game for the kids.
I wonder if he forge’s LeBron’s name
Or signs his own? 😀
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| I think DK will be a lot better in year two. He looks a bit overwhelmed and confused at times. JJ and LeBron yelling at him a lot when he's doing the wrong things. |
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Bye #4
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| Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2025 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Best of luck Dalton. Hopefully Charlotte does a nice job developing you.  |
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