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coldzim
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| Quote: | Jeanie Buss: [...]
We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5286664/running-point-jeanie-buss |
Jeanie wtf... this whole quote is braindead and full of mistakes. 
Vasashi is right when he complains about our owner/FO. |
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| coldzim wrote: | | Quote: | Jeanie Buss: [...]
We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5286664/running-point-jeanie-buss |
Jeanie wtf... this whole quote is braindead and full of mistakes.
Vasashi is right when he complains about our owner/FO. |
How so? She says it was a win for everyone involved, which is what you're supposed to say.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | coldzim wrote: | | Quote: | Jeanie Buss: [...]
We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5286664/running-point-jeanie-buss |
Jeanie wtf... this whole quote is braindead and full of mistakes.
Vasashi is right when he complains about our owner/FO. |
How so? She says it was a win for everyone involved, which is what you're supposed to say. |
I don't think she had to justify trading AD and try make it seem like he was unhappy here... She should have left at her other interview that they were not planning to trade AD until Luka fell on their lap. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | coldzim wrote: | | Quote: | Jeanie Buss: [...]
We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5286664/running-point-jeanie-buss |
Jeanie wtf... this whole quote is braindead and full of mistakes.
Vasashi is right when he complains about our owner/FO. |
How so? She says it was a win for everyone involved, which is what you're supposed to say. |
I don't think she had to justify trading AD and try make it seem like he was unhappy here... She should have left at her other interview that they were not planning to trade AD until Luka fell on their lap. |
What if it was true? He didn't seem all that broken up about the trade and even waved his trade kicker, sacrificing 8 million bucks, to cut Dallas some slack.
What incentive would she have to lie about it? She's a 63 year old woman, not a 13 year old girl.
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I don't have a big problem with what she said.
That interview AD had with Shams about wanting a C so that he can play more PF is online for everyone to see. He did complain about where he was played in a literal sense. I think she just wanted to get across that it was a win/win for both them and AD, considering the Mavericks have 2 good Cs that allow him to play more PF.
She shows him a lot of respect by saying the Lakers "gave up a lot" for Luka. She's reiterated that every time she's been asked. |
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Sis we gave up almost nothing in the trade. What is she smoking?
A FRP that will likely be in the early 20s and Max Christie, whose play has been lackluster of late. AD is unlikely to return this season.
Jazz got 5 FRPs for Gobert LOL
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2025 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | Sis we gave up almost nothing in the trade. What is she smoking?
A FRP that will likely be in the early 20s and Max Christie, whose play has been lackluster of late. AD is unlikely to return this season.
Jazz got 5 FRPs for Gobert LOL |
She was giving respect to AD, unlike every other talking head in the league. AD was a lot to give up for Luka. It sucks like hell that he got hurt in his first game for Dallas, but if he didn't (and his recent health history showed that he actually played quite a few games in each of the past two seasons) he would have been killing it for Dallas. Just terrible luck for Dallas to have him and then Kyrie go down. |
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| What is she supposed to say? AD is crap and we got Luka for free? Is she supposed to gloat like that? No. Give appropriate respect to AD. That man's number is going up in the rafters one day. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | coldzim wrote: | | Quote: | Jeanie Buss: [...]
We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5286664/running-point-jeanie-buss |
Jeanie wtf... this whole quote is braindead and full of mistakes.
Vasashi is right when he complains about our owner/FO. |
How so? She says it was a win for everyone involved, which is what you're supposed to say. |
I don't think she had to justify trading AD and try make it seem like he was unhappy here... She should have left at her other interview that they were not planning to trade AD until Luka fell on their lap. |
What if it was true? He didn't seem all that broken up about the trade and even waved his trade kicker, sacrificing 8 million bucks, to cut Dallas some slack.
What incentive would she have to lie about it? She's a 63 year old woman, not a 13 year old girl. |
If it’s true or not… She should have left that part out. I don’t even see the point of her mentioning that. First said they were not even planning to trade him until Luka was presented to them and Dallas asked specifically for AD. I feel like its a bit cheap remark to say for someone they were not planning to trade. Leave it to Dallas to be saying things like that. She don’t need to say any reason at all. When everyone knows the truth. |
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Jeanie/Lakers don't respect their bigs the same way. Never have, never will. It's a guard franchise. From West, to Magic, to Kobe. To Lebron. Now to Luka.
Kareem? Shaq? Pau? All were disrespected at some point pretty badly. Shaq even said many times he knew he was toast because based on franchise history they never take care of their bigs like they do their guards.
AD being shown the same disrespect on the way out is just Laker tradition.But years from now, maybe a decade so, it will be seen differently. He'll get his flowers then.
Just want to remind Jeanie this was what the unhappy guy gave you in 5 years: 1 NBA title, 1 WCF run, 1 NBA cup, 2 All NBA teams, 4 all star selections, finished top 2 and 4 in DPOTY, was part of the #1 and #3 defensive teams, as a Laker, and averaged 26/12/2 this year playing out of his best starting position.
The Luka trade was a no brainer just based on age and what Luka can do for the franchise, but AD wasn't wrong to ask for another big IMO. If anything even with Luka trade, I feel we're a big short. The roster to be more balanced needed an impact big. |
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| Japago wrote: | I don't have a big problem with what she said.
That interview AD had with Shams about wanting a C so that he can play more PF is online for everyone to see. He did complain about where he was played in a literal sense. I think she just wanted to get across that it was a win/win for both them and AD, considering the Mavericks have 2 good Cs that allow him to play more PF.
She shows him a lot of respect by saying the Lakers "gave up a lot" for Luka. She's reiterated that every time she's been asked. |
That interview about AD wanting Lakers to trade for a center killed any leverage the Lakers may of had as well.
and made the price for a center pricier. |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | What is she supposed to say? AD is crap and we got Luka for free? Is she supposed to gloat like that? No. Give appropriate respect to AD. That man's number is going up in the rafters one day. |
This.
I have lots of issues with Jeanie and have for many years but the move they just pulled off I really have to just be quiet now. Her and Rob have struck gold, and maybe just maybe Jeanie does have a little bit of her dad in her. |
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Dr. Laker
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Jeanie/Lakers don't respect their bigs the same way. Never have, never will. It's a guard franchise. From West, to Magic, to Kobe. To Lebron. Now to Luka.
Kareem? Shaq? Pau? All were disrespected at some point pretty badly. Shaq even said many times he knew he was toast because based on franchise history they never take care of their bigs like they do their guards.
AD being shown the same disrespect on the way out is just Laker tradition.But years from now, maybe a decade so, it will be seen differently. He'll get his flowers then.
Just want to remind Jeanie this was what the unhappy guy gave you in 5 years: 1 NBA title, 1 WCF run, 1 NBA cup, 2 All NBA teams, 4 all star selections, finished top 2 and 4 in DPOTY, was part of the #1 and #3 defensive teams, as a Laker, and averaged 26/12/2 this year playing out of his best starting position.
The Luka trade was a no brainer just based on age and what Luka can do for the franchise, but AD wasn't wrong to ask for another big IMO. If anything even with Luka trade, I feel we're a big short. The roster to be more balanced needed an impact big. |
Hogwash.
Wilt - the Lakers made him the highest paid player in team sports until he reitired - and they didn't want him to retire.
Kareem - was cheated out of his money by financial managers TWICE - and the Lakers signed him to a 3-year deal at 38 so he could have the $$$ for a decent retirement (KAJ got 2 more rings out of it, too).
Shaq - Get out of here. Even Shaq admits he was an ass and (bleep) up the situation with the Lakers.
Pau - "White Swan" had his Lakers tenure disrupted by his girlfriend, Silvia Lopez Castro. Depending on who you believe, Silvia was either: a) sleeping with (Laker teammate) Shannon Brown, b) sleeping with an unnamed person and breaking up with Pau, or c) involved in a vicious catfight with (Kobe's wife) Vanessa Bryant. Whatever it was, Pau played like (bleep) in the 2011 playoffs and needed to go - the CP3 trade was perfect for the Lakers.
I'm sorry (for AD) that we didn't get him the 5 he wanted, but the reality is that LeBron is a 4 now - and a better 4 than AD, because AD's jumper broke. It was best for the team to have AD at the 5.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Jeanie/Lakers don't respect their bigs the same way. Never have, never will. It's a guard franchise. From West, to Magic, to Kobe. To Lebron. Now to Luka.
Kareem? Shaq? Pau? All were disrespected at some point pretty badly. Shaq even said many times he knew he was toast because based on franchise history they never take care of their bigs like they do their guards.
AD being shown the same disrespect on the way out is just Laker tradition.But years from now, maybe a decade so, it will be seen differently. He'll get his flowers then.
Just want to remind Jeanie this was what the unhappy guy gave you in 5 years: 1 NBA title, 1 WCF run, 1 NBA cup, 2 All NBA teams, 4 all star selections, finished top 2 and 4 in DPOTY, was part of the #1 and #3 defensive teams, as a Laker, and averaged 26/12/2 this year playing out of his best starting position.
The Luka trade was a no brainer just based on age and what Luka can do for the franchise, but AD wasn't wrong to ask for another big IMO. If anything even with Luka trade, I feel we're a big short. The roster to be more balanced needed an impact big. |
Hogwash.
Wilt - the Lakers made him the highest paid player in team sports until he reitired - and they didn't want him to retire.
Kareem - was cheated out of his money by financial managers TWICE - and the Lakers signed him to a 3-year deal at 38 so he could have the $$$ for a decent retirement (KAJ got 2 more rings out of it, too).
Shaq - Get out of here. Even Shaq admits he was an ass and (bleep) up the situation with the Lakers.
Pau - "White Swan" had his Lakers tenure disrupted by his girlfriend, Silvia Lopez Castro. Depending on who you believe, Silvia was either: a) sleeping with (Laker teammate) Shannon Brown, b) sleeping with an unnamed person and breaking up with Pau, or c) involved in a vicious catfight with (Kobe's wife) Vanessa Bryant. Whatever it was, Pau played like (bleep) in the 2011 playoffs and needed to go - the CP3 trade was perfect for the Lakers.
I'm sorry (for AD) that we didn't get him the 5 he wanted, but the reality is that LeBron is a 4 now - and a better 4 than AD, because AD's jumper broke. It was best for the team to have AD at the 5. |
Yeah it’s a pretty big stretch to say any of these people were disrespected. AD certainly wasn’t. Shaq wrote his own ticket out of town and admits as much himself. Kareem had a whole retirement tour here and has remained close to the franchise in retirement. Him and Shaq have statues outside the arena. Pau I suppose was disrespected by D’Antoni, but not the Lakers who tried to re-sign him when he left and then retired his number. He also remains close to the franchise. If you want to talk about Jerry West disrespect I’m right there with you but none of those other guys apply.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | coldzim wrote: | | Quote: | Jeanie Buss: [...]
We gave up a lot to get Luka Dončić. We're happy we have him. We have lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs, and we really didn't have anything that was going to look different going into the playoffs again. Anthony Davis was complaining about where he was being played and he wasn't happy. So I think this was a positive for both teams. They got what they were looking for; we got what we were looking for. And I didn't realize it was going to be international news like it was, but that's the power of the Laker brand and its ability to draw big names who want to write their own chapter in Lakers history.
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/28/nx-s1-5286664/running-point-jeanie-buss |
Jeanie wtf... this whole quote is braindead and full of mistakes.
Vasashi is right when he complains about our owner/FO. |
How so? She says it was a win for everyone involved, which is what you're supposed to say. |
Losing to Denver three years in a row in the playoffs...kinda cringe you have to admit.
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I know some are on (rightfully) on a huge high for cashing on a franchise player like Luka for AD, but that doesn't mean you need to say those things about AD.
He was a great player and asset. He was the perfect in between star to have. When Lebron era began we sucked, We couldn't even make the playoffs with the kids and post-Cavs Lebron. So we cashed in on the kids/picks to get AD, who helped with the Lakers a ring and brought team playoff success back to the team multiple seasons/situations. Then he was such a significant player that a team's GM traded an all time franchise guy 6 years younger for him. Now maybe that was foolish by that GM, but without AD that never happens. Someone actually valued AD that much. Why? Because he proved he could do something at that level for us.
All Jeanie had to say was AD was a great player for the Lakers, we are grateful what he did in his time, but when this was brought to us, we had to make the move. By pointing towards the Denver series, the alleged unhappiness of AD, you make it seem as AD was a problem. That's disrespect in my book. You can be super high on Luka and trade AD without throwing shade his way. Anyway it is the Laker way when it comes to our franchise bigs. |
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Jeanie/Lakers don't respect their bigs the same way. Never have, never will. It's a guard franchise. From West, to Magic, to Kobe. To Lebron. Now to Luka.
Kareem? Shaq? Pau? All were disrespected at some point pretty badly. Shaq even said many times he knew he was toast because based on franchise history they never take care of their bigs like they do their guards.
AD being shown the same disrespect on the way out is just Laker tradition.But years from now, maybe a decade so, it will be seen differently. He'll get his flowers then.
Just want to remind Jeanie this was what the unhappy guy gave you in 5 years: 1 NBA title, 1 WCF run, 1 NBA cup, 2 All NBA teams, 4 all star selections, finished top 2 and 4 in DPOTY, was part of the #1 and #3 defensive teams, as a Laker, and averaged 26/12/2 this year playing out of his best starting position.
The Luka trade was a no brainer just based on age and what Luka can do for the franchise, but AD wasn't wrong to ask for another big IMO. If anything even with Luka trade, I feel we're a big short. The roster to be more balanced needed an impact big. |
Hogwash.
Wilt - the Lakers made him the highest paid player in team sports until he reitired - and they didn't want him to retire.
Kareem - was cheated out of his money by financial managers TWICE - and the Lakers signed him to a 3-year deal at 38 so he could have the $$$ for a decent retirement (KAJ got 2 more rings out of it, too).
Shaq - Get out of here. Even Shaq admits he was an ass and (bleep) up the situation with the Lakers.
Pau - "White Swan" had his Lakers tenure disrupted by his girlfriend, Silvia Lopez Castro. Depending on who you believe, Silvia was either: a) sleeping with (Laker teammate) Shannon Brown, b) sleeping with an unnamed person and breaking up with Pau, or c) involved in a vicious catfight with (Kobe's wife) Vanessa Bryant. Whatever it was, Pau played like (bleep) in the 2011 playoffs and needed to go - the CP3 trade was perfect for the Lakers.
I'm sorry (for AD) that we didn't get him the 5 he wanted, but the reality is that LeBron is a 4 now - and a better 4 than AD, because AD's jumper broke. It was best for the team to have AD at the 5. |
Phil Jackson was diagnosed with prostate cancer March 2011. That is why the 2011 playoffs went the way it did.
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| kikanga wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Jeanie/Lakers don't respect their bigs the same way. Never have, never will. It's a guard franchise. From West, to Magic, to Kobe. To Lebron. Now to Luka.
Kareem? Shaq? Pau? All were disrespected at some point pretty badly. Shaq even said many times he knew he was toast because based on franchise history they never take care of their bigs like they do their guards.
AD being shown the same disrespect on the way out is just Laker tradition.But years from now, maybe a decade so, it will be seen differently. He'll get his flowers then.
Just want to remind Jeanie this was what the unhappy guy gave you in 5 years: 1 NBA title, 1 WCF run, 1 NBA cup, 2 All NBA teams, 4 all star selections, finished top 2 and 4 in DPOTY, was part of the #1 and #3 defensive teams, as a Laker, and averaged 26/12/2 this year playing out of his best starting position.
The Luka trade was a no brainer just based on age and what Luka can do for the franchise, but AD wasn't wrong to ask for another big IMO. If anything even with Luka trade, I feel we're a big short. The roster to be more balanced needed an impact big. |
Hogwash.
Wilt - the Lakers made him the highest paid player in team sports until he reitired - and they didn't want him to retire.
Kareem - was cheated out of his money by financial managers TWICE - and the Lakers signed him to a 3-year deal at 38 so he could have the $$$ for a decent retirement (KAJ got 2 more rings out of it, too).
Shaq - Get out of here. Even Shaq admits he was an ass and (bleep) up the situation with the Lakers.
Pau - "White Swan" had his Lakers tenure disrupted by his girlfriend, Silvia Lopez Castro. Depending on who you believe, Silvia was either: a) sleeping with (Laker teammate) Shannon Brown, b) sleeping with an unnamed person and breaking up with Pau, or c) involved in a vicious catfight with (Kobe's wife) Vanessa Bryant. Whatever it was, Pau played like (bleep) in the 2011 playoffs and needed to go - the CP3 trade was perfect for the Lakers.
I'm sorry (for AD) that we didn't get him the 5 he wanted, but the reality is that LeBron is a 4 now - and a better 4 than AD, because AD's jumper broke. It was best for the team to have AD at the 5. |
Phil Jackson was diagnosed with prostate cancer March 2011. That is why the 2011 playoffs went the way it did. |
2011 was all on Pau. He was abysmal in the playoffs because of the drama that happened towards the end of the season. Totally fell off a cliff and got destroyed by Dirk. Kobe was ballin on one knee and we needed our 2nd option to step up and instead he was a shell of himself.
Now I’m sure Phil getting cancer and probably being half checked out didn’t help either |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | I know some are on (rightfully) on a huge high for cashing on a franchise player like Luka for AD, but that doesn't mean you need to say those things about AD.
He was a great player and asset. He was the perfect in between star to have. When Lebron era began we sucked, We couldn't even make the playoffs with the kids and post-Cavs Lebron. So we cashed in on the kids/picks to get AD, who helped with the Lakers a ring and brought team playoff success back to the team multiple seasons/situations. Then he was such a significant player that a team's GM traded an all time franchise guy 6 years younger for him. Now maybe that was foolish by that GM, but without AD that never happens. Someone actually valued AD that much. Why? Because he proved he could do something at that level for us.
All Jeanie had to say was AD was a great player for the Lakers, we are grateful what he did in his time, but when this was brought to us, we had to make the move. By pointing towards the Denver series, the alleged unhappiness of AD, you make it seem as AD was a problem. That's disrespect in my book. You can be super high on Luka and trade AD without throwing shade his way. Anyway it is the Laker way when it comes to our franchise bigs. |
I agree whole heartedly with everything you said about AD’s contributions to the team. I guess I interpreted her comments about Denver to mean we were about to go to war with essentially the same team again and were likely to see the same result. I think that’s accurate, and I don’t think she was necessarily blaming AD for that. She also said we gave up a lot for Luka and we weren’t looking to trade AD. They gave him a nice tribute when he returned, imploring fans in attendance to give him a standing ovation. His jersey will be retired. Doesn’t read as disrespectful to me. What Dallas has done to Luka is disrespectful. We haven’t done anything close to that.
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| I just wish Jeannie Buss don’t ever speak to media again. Everything she says even with good intention, always comes out weird and cringe worthy. The team is in a good vibe now, we don’t need this unnecessary distraction. Really no need to take victory lap now, season is still a long way to go. No one is forgetting you’re the owner, if you just keep your out shut and enjoy this team like rest of us. |
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gng930
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I think the PR move is to say that everybody won the trade. Taking a victory lap would be to imply that they fleeced the Mavs. I think she could've used a better word choice than "complain" though, even though she probably didn't mean to paint AD as a malcontent that they needed to cut loose. That and her "lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs" makes me wonder if she was totally lucid for this interview.
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wolfpaclaker
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2025 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| gng930 wrote: | | I think she could've used a better word choice than "complain" though, even though she probably didn't mean to paint AD as a malcontent that they needed to cut loose. That and her "lost the last three years in a row to the Denver Nuggets in the playoffs" makes me wonder if she was totally lucid for this interview. |
Thank you, someone who gets it.
The owner not even knowing that they played Denver only TWICE in the last 2 years, is sad. BTW, in the AD era they actually played Denver THREE times. The one time they gave Denver a beatdown, guess what position AD was starting at that year? Those minutes Dwight Howard put on Jokic to avoid AD from exerting his energy on that was huge in that series. Making Joker play both the physicality of Dwight and then having to alternate to the speed/athleticism and game of AD made him work that much more. Who did Denver lose to last year? It was that stacked front court of Gobert/Towns/Edwards (plus Naz Reid). Again, thanks to their GM now Minnesota made everyone's path in the West easier this year. Jokic/Denver have more issues beating you when they have to deal with a few Centers/bigs as opposed to just 1 and wings. All AD was saying/arguing were proven facts IMO. Even back in 2020 he was always willing to play the 5 full time in certain playoff series. He just knew the team needed 1 more impact big to win the West.
Anyway, as I've said a few times. I saw the same happen to Pau. Years of playing scrubs/role guys as your bigs made people appreciate Pau as time went on. Same will happen to AD. It's not easy to get an AD level big in this league. I don't see us getting an all-star level big, let alone a 2-way all-star all NBA level big anytime soon.
Don't get me wrong, it's even harder to get a Luka level player. Unless Luka is injury prone/leaves us in FA we won this deal big time. My opinions here have nothing to do with the trade. We def cashed in big time. As Cuban said, the least Dallas should have gotten were a few more FRPs. We def won this trade on paper and I'm stoked about the future (and we have a shot in the Lebron era too).
However Jeanie not even knowing that they only lost to Denver twice in a row (Not to mention all the things that changed in that scenario outside of AD IE Coaching, position, talent around AD, etc) was typical. Yes that's disrespect to a great player for you. Just because it's not Nico Harrison/Luka level throwing shade doesn't make it less stupid. |
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miggz23
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| Quote: | | “I will say, that I kind of came from the philosophy kind of inspired by Phil Jackson that when a team wins a championship, they should have the right to defend their championship. And we didn’t do that, and I regret that. One of the players on the list, Markieff Morris, just rejoined the team in the trade for Luka, he was one of the players that came back, and I told him, I said ‘I’m really sorry that we didn’t get a chance for you to defend that championship and I’m really glad you’re here.’ So we obviously didn’t win a championship the following year.” |
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wolfpaclaker
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Quote: | | “I will say, that I kind of came from the philosophy kind of inspired by Phil Jackson that when a team wins a championship, they should have the right to defend their championship. And we didn’t do that, and I regret that. One of the players on the list, Markieff Morris, just rejoined the team in the trade for Luka, he was one of the players that came back, and I told him, I said ‘I’m really sorry that we didn’t get a chance for you to defend that championship and I’m really glad you’re here.’ So we obviously didn’t win a championship the following year.” |
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Yeah, that one really irked me as well. That said, with the AD injury it was all moot. We could have kept the same make up of the team, brought back our bigs who had chemistry and kept Lebron at the PG. The fact is that year was so close to the the long ass 2019-20 season. the 19 season began in September 2019 and finished in 2020 almost November. They get a month off and then have a new season. Covid restrictions and illness spreading are still in place.
Even then, the moves to move on from McGee/Howard/Rondo/Green did hurt team chemistry but not to the point it would have resulted in a title/repeat as AD was injured in that Suns series.
One of the real limitations of the Lebron/AD era was that they couldn't stay healthy enough. Lebron was not Cavs Lebron. He was a great player but not the same level as his 2017 and prior form. It seemed every year you needed to have 20-30 games where Bron would just mail it in or work his way into the season. AD was also not able to stay healthy on a consistent enough basis. Vogel mentioned lack of continuity as one of the main obstacles in that era. Roster changes constant in Pelinka's meddling ways and AD/Bron unable to stay healthy.
I feel the other seasons where we had a shot, we just didn't have the right coaching (HAM) or roster support around them in 22-23, and 23-24. Both those seasons AD/Bron were healthy enough to make a run in the playoffs. This year we also seemed to be on our way to having a shot at a run, but again as we've seen both AD and Lebron have suffered groin injuries.
Shame we only got 1 real run out of them. It is what it is, but I'll take that 1 title and appreciate it as easily it could have been 0. Look at Kawhi/PG/Harden or Clippers era. Look at Durant's last few super team stops. At least we got 1 title, and it may be the only title you see in the Pelinka era (I am still not sold he knows how to roster construct around his superstars, but that's another discussion). |
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