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| He was so great tonight. Defensively and offensively. Really looking like the guy we saw in those playoffs in Miami. |
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| Gabe has been good since he finally recovered from his long injury last season. Took him a month or two more of this season, but since then he’s been giving us D and a more consistent threat from three. |
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We're gonna need these kinds of games. Teams will absolutely dare Rui, DFS, Vincent to beat them in the playoffs. Rui was off today but bravo to Gabe & DFS  |
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Sweet game from Gabe tonight. He’s been balling the last couple of games.
Gabe has leveled up just in time. His defense was also solid.
I hope he maintains this level of consistency throughout the playoffs.
Gabe’s stats: 20 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 1 block, 6-14 FG, 6-13 3PT, 2-2 FT, +8 (24 mins.). |
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tox
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gotta say, Gabe has some questionable shot selection
but that confidence is probably why he doesn't fade in the playoffs |
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DLO since trade: 13 PPG on 30 3P%/37 FG%/51 TS%
Gabe since DLO trade: 9 PPG on 37 3P%/42 FG%/58 TS%
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We got any pics of Gabe with a spiked collar?
Dude seems like one of the chillest dudes off the court.. looks like he is always in a daze just living the dream
Reminds me of Yoel Romero UFC fighter
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tox
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | tox wrote: | | convince me to like this move bc I hate it |
He started 22 playoff games this year, playing 30+ mpg, for a team that went to the Finals playing for the smartest coach in the league. He’s good at both ends, doesn’t back down from anyone, and he’s a local product (UCSB). He scored double digits in five of six games against Boston in the playoffs, and helped defeat them in a game 7 in Boston….he’s a gamer. |
He was great against Boston but otherwise meh. I buy the argument he's better than Schroder, but Schroder was making the vet min whereas he's basically making nearly the full MLE. I don't think we've solved any of our roster issues at all. |
To keep Schroeder, you’d have to pay about the same price. He wasn’t coming back for the vet min.
Here are things he does better than Schroeder, though:
- Space the floor. He has actual gravity. Dennis gets to shoot wide open threes because guys sag off him. Sagging off makes it harder on everyone else. Makes it tough to play certain combos of guys with Dennis.
- Teams also defend both differently. They will go under Dennis to take away the drive and dare him to shoot. That makes it especially tough on your two-man game options. They typically have to go over the top on Vincent. That puts more pressure on the D to help/collapse.
- Defensively, Schroeder is great. He and Vincent mix it up and help set the tone. But we saw in the playoffs teams try to take advantage of his size in various ways. You also are very limited on the kinds of guys you can put him on. Vincent can guard the stronger/bigger guys much better. Defensive flexibility means you can adjust coverages a little more to help your other guys find slightly more favorable matchups. Team D gets better.
Both can give you two-way minutes, which is great. That’s the key with this signing. Come playoff time, they both can stay on the floor. But you have to thread the needle much more to make it work with Dennis. The gaps on offense become much smaller for others to work with. The help is a step or two closer. That stuff makes a huge, huge difference. Especially when guys like Bron aren’t at 100% or don’t have quite the extra burst he used to.
Vincent isn’t going to light things up every night or move the needle in a huge way. Doubtful you get that in any MLE signing. But he should give you more good games than Dennis and his presence should help teammates more on a nightly basis.
Only reason I watched the finals this year was because I heard we might have interest in him. He had a couple massive games for them on the biggest stage. He was going toe to toe with Denver. We’re getting a battle-tested role player, who embodied their culture. If we can get back in the middle of that playoff fight, this is a quality signing could push us over the top in a couple of key games. I think we upgrade a little here and if it doesn’t really work for some reason or a guy like JHS suddenly crushes it and makes Gabe redundant, this seems like a tradeable contract as a lot of teams love to plug a guy like this into the mix. |
Still a banger post in the end of it |
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hype
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| tox wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | tox wrote: | | convince me to like this move bc I hate it |
He started 22 playoff games this year, playing 30+ mpg, for a team that went to the Finals playing for the smartest coach in the league. He’s good at both ends, doesn’t back down from anyone, and he’s a local product (UCSB). He scored double digits in five of six games against Boston in the playoffs, and helped defeat them in a game 7 in Boston….he’s a gamer. |
He was great against Boston but otherwise meh. I buy the argument he's better than Schroder, but Schroder was making the vet min whereas he's basically making nearly the full MLE. I don't think we've solved any of our roster issues at all. |
To keep Schroeder, you’d have to pay about the same price. He wasn’t coming back for the vet min.
Here are things he does better than Schroeder, though:
- Space the floor. He has actual gravity. Dennis gets to shoot wide open threes because guys sag off him. Sagging off makes it harder on everyone else. Makes it tough to play certain combos of guys with Dennis.
- Teams also defend both differently. They will go under Dennis to take away the drive and dare him to shoot. That makes it especially tough on your two-man game options. They typically have to go over the top on Vincent. That puts more pressure on the D to help/collapse.
- Defensively, Schroeder is great. He and Vincent mix it up and help set the tone. But we saw in the playoffs teams try to take advantage of his size in various ways. You also are very limited on the kinds of guys you can put him on. Vincent can guard the stronger/bigger guys much better. Defensive flexibility means you can adjust coverages a little more to help your other guys find slightly more favorable matchups. Team D gets better.
Both can give you two-way minutes, which is great. That’s the key with this signing. Come playoff time, they both can stay on the floor. But you have to thread the needle much more to make it work with Dennis. The gaps on offense become much smaller for others to work with. The help is a step or two closer. That stuff makes a huge, huge difference. Especially when guys like Bron aren’t at 100% or don’t have quite the extra burst he used to.
Vincent isn’t going to light things up every night or move the needle in a huge way. Doubtful you get that in any MLE signing. But he should give you more good games than Dennis and his presence should help teammates more on a nightly basis.
Only reason I watched the finals this year was because I heard we might have interest in him. He had a couple massive games for them on the biggest stage. He was going toe to toe with Denver. We’re getting a battle-tested role player, who embodied their culture. If we can get back in the middle of that playoff fight, this is a quality signing could push us over the top in a couple of key games. I think we upgrade a little here and if it doesn’t really work for some reason or a guy like JHS suddenly crushes it and makes Gabe redundant, this seems like a tradeable contract as a lot of teams love to plug a guy like this into the mix. |
Still a banger post in the end of it |
Yeah, that DancingBarry guy seems to know his stuff 
Gabe does a lot that many fans simply don't understand or appreciate if you don't watch closely but at the end of the day he's a flat out competitor and is battle tested much like DFS which is why you stick with them through small dry spells in the regular Season. |
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Lakeshow23_
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| tox wrote: | | DancingBarry wrote: | | tox wrote: | | Laker's Fan wrote: | | tox wrote: | | convince me to like this move bc I hate it |
He started 22 playoff games this year, playing 30+ mpg, for a team that went to the Finals playing for the smartest coach in the league. He’s good at both ends, doesn’t back down from anyone, and he’s a local product (UCSB). He scored double digits in five of six games against Boston in the playoffs, and helped defeat them in a game 7 in Boston….he’s a gamer. |
He was great against Boston but otherwise meh. I buy the argument he's better than Schroder, but Schroder was making the vet min whereas he's basically making nearly the full MLE. I don't think we've solved any of our roster issues at all. |
To keep Schroeder, you’d have to pay about the same price. He wasn’t coming back for the vet min.
Here are things he does better than Schroeder, though:
- Space the floor. He has actual gravity. Dennis gets to shoot wide open threes because guys sag off him. Sagging off makes it harder on everyone else. Makes it tough to play certain combos of guys with Dennis.
- Teams also defend both differently. They will go under Dennis to take away the drive and dare him to shoot. That makes it especially tough on your two-man game options. They typically have to go over the top on Vincent. That puts more pressure on the D to help/collapse.
- Defensively, Schroeder is great. He and Vincent mix it up and help set the tone. But we saw in the playoffs teams try to take advantage of his size in various ways. You also are very limited on the kinds of guys you can put him on. Vincent can guard the stronger/bigger guys much better. Defensive flexibility means you can adjust coverages a little more to help your other guys find slightly more favorable matchups. Team D gets better.
Both can give you two-way minutes, which is great. That’s the key with this signing. Come playoff time, they both can stay on the floor. But you have to thread the needle much more to make it work with Dennis. The gaps on offense become much smaller for others to work with. The help is a step or two closer. That stuff makes a huge, huge difference. Especially when guys like Bron aren’t at 100% or don’t have quite the extra burst he used to.
Vincent isn’t going to light things up every night or move the needle in a huge way. Doubtful you get that in any MLE signing. But he should give you more good games than Dennis and his presence should help teammates more on a nightly basis.
Only reason I watched the finals this year was because I heard we might have interest in him. He had a couple massive games for them on the biggest stage. He was going toe to toe with Denver. We’re getting a battle-tested role player, who embodied their culture. If we can get back in the middle of that playoff fight, this is a quality signing could push us over the top in a couple of key games. I think we upgrade a little here and if it doesn’t really work for some reason or a guy like JHS suddenly crushes it and makes Gabe redundant, this seems like a tradeable contract as a lot of teams love to plug a guy like this into the mix. |
Still a banger post in the end of it |
This was a fine post too if I say so myself 
| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | Pivoting to Vincent after striking out on Bruce Brown was sound decision making from the front office. Now, there is genuine risk involved considering the discrepancy between his playoff and regular season numbers but the process is commendable.
Vincent takes less off the table then any of the other realistic MLE candidates. More than anything, this playoffs proved that a role player is only as good as their weaknesses. We had a lot of guys that excelled at one aspect or another but couldn't see the floor the deeper we advanced in the playoffs because of their lack of versatility. With Vincent, we get a guy who may not be the best at one specific area but is capable of doing a little of everything.. In the playoffs, he was Miami's second lead creator and ran a lot of P&R, he also came off screens as a movement shooter, shot a high percentage on spot-up threes, and proved to be a rugged POA defender that had enough size to guard the likes of Jalen Brunson, Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray.
If he could knock down shots like he did in the playoffs I think he's a better player and much much much better fit than Dennis. Dennis did a fine job this season but his limitations as an off-ball player/shooter and playmaker capped his effectiveness. Vincent can function as a tertiary ball-handler behind Lebron/Reaves/DLO but he's most effective spacing the floor for them and doesn't need the ball to impact the game. He's sort of like a lesser version of Lowry or a PG version of KCP. Those type of players rarely lose value in the playoffs. Let's hope he continues right where he left off. |
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It’s good to celebrate our Lakers players when they are doing good, and even support them when struggling. But for Gabe…
6.6ppg/40.7%fg/36.4%3pt/1.3rpg/1.4apg/.7spg
…that’s not good.
I’m glad he’s stepping up, it’s about time, hopefully we can see more of what we’ve been seeing lately. Stats don’t tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it and for most of his time on the Lakers…and Miami too plus his entire career for that matter…Gabe hasn’t been effective, including this year. Let’s see him contribute consistently and in the post season before we take a victory lap on claims of “I told ya so” for Gabe over Schroeder.
As of now, statistically Schro still appears to be the better option and that’s not even counting last year. If it was counted, which would make it a no brainer, it would be Schro by a mile. But, Gabe is a Laker and Scho is not so F him lol!!!
Go Gabe!!!
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| I like Dennis. But he has very clear weaknesses that showed up during our playoff run and when he got traded to GS earlier this season before he got moved in the Butler trade. He needs the ball in his hands to really do his thing, and with Luka, LeBron, and AR he can’t do that. Gabe after he has recovered from his injury looks to be a much better fit so far. |
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | It’s good to celebrate our Lakers players when they are doing good, and even support them when struggling. But for Gabe…
6.6ppg/40.7%fg/36.4%3pt/1.3rpg/1.4apg/.7spg
…that’s not good.
I’m glad he’s stepping up, it’s about time, hopefully we can see more of what we’ve been seeing lately. Stats don’t tell the whole story, but they do tell part of it and for most of his time on the Lakers…and Miami too plus his entire career for that matter…Gabe hasn’t been effective, including this year. Let’s see him contribute consistently and in the post season before we take a victory lap on claims of “I told ya so” for Gabe over Schroeder.
As of now, statistically Schro still appears to be the better option and that’s not even counting last year. If it was counted, which would make it a no brainer, it would be Schro by a mile. But, Gabe is a Laker and Scho is not so F him lol!!!
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Gabe and Schro comparison doesn’t sound logical, Gabe is a rhythm player his game is based on feeling confident, Dennis has more high usage and takes more of a responsibility |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | I like Dennis. But he has very clear weaknesses that showed up during our playoff run and when he got traded to GS earlier this season before he got moved in the Butler trade. He needs the ball in his hands to really do his thing, and with Luka, LeBron, and AR he can’t do that. Gabe after he has recovered from his injury looks to be a much better fit so far. |
Right. It was evident why the Lakers decided to move on when you compare the playoff runs of him and Gabe. Dennis was excellent in the regular season and helped keep the Lakers afloat but he wasn't able to step up against Denver. If Gabe's numbers aren't good that's interesting because he's been better than Schroeder on GSW and now Detroit. He's also been on 4 teams since the Lakers so maybe it's a Dennis problem more than anything.
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| manlisten wrote: | | mhan00 wrote: | | I like Dennis. But he has very clear weaknesses that showed up during our playoff run and when he got traded to GS earlier this season before he got moved in the Butler trade. He needs the ball in his hands to really do his thing, and with Luka, LeBron, and AR he can’t do that. Gabe after he has recovered from his injury looks to be a much better fit so far. |
Right. It was evident why the Lakers decided to move on when you compare the playoff runs of him and Gabe. Dennis was excellent in the regular season and helped keep the Lakers afloat but he wasn't able to step up against Denver. If Gabe's numbers aren't good that's interesting because he's been better than Schroeder on GSW and now Detroit. He's also been on 4 teams since the Lakers so maybe it's a Dennis problem more than anything. |
Dennis' problem is that he thinks he's prime, pre-injury Derrick Rose. He's a great POA pest and decent change-of-pace guard off the bench, but he sees himself as more and ends up hating his role when he's not featured.
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| I feel the reason Schroder keeps bouncing around, is because he wants to have a larger role than he can have, at least on a contending team. He's a good player, but on a title team he'd probably be best as a change of pace sixth man. |
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Dennis was also more dependable in terms of availability; he was a big part of that late season run. The floor is higher for Dennis than Gabe but the problem was that Dennis' ceiling was not high enough to keep him a part of a contender playoff rotation. Gabe can still be a liability due to his size but less so than Dennis.
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Dennis was a bad fit when we had AD. With Luka and the emergence of AR, he's a horrendous fit. He's small, not a good catch and shoot player, average playmaker (especially for someone that derives most of his value on the ball), not good off-ball, not switchable.
Gabe has been our best shooter for four months now:
38.5% from downtown since 12/1/24
1.74ppp (98th percentile in NBA) on off-screen 3s
Converting 42.1% of Catch + Shoot 3s
Clear upgrade on Dennis for this. |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | Dennis was a bad fit when we had AD. With Luka and the emergence of AR, he's a horrendous fit. He's small, not a good catch and shoot player, average playmaker (especially for someone that derives most of his value on the ball), not good off-ball, not switchable.
Gabe has been our best shooter for four months now:
38.5% from downtown since 12/1/24
1.74ppp (98th percentile in NBA) on off-screen 3s
Converting 42.1% of Catch + Shoot 3s
Clear upgrade on Dennis for this. |
Also can’t forget when Dennis attempted to drive and kick. It was almost always a turnover. At least Gabe doesn’t try to get cute with his decision making like Dennis would frequently do |
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It seems like after DFS, Gabe Vincent is the player on the team that Luka has become closest to.
Luka was messing with Gabe when he was doing a post-game presser, did the towel wave to him when he was on a heater from 3 recently, and was asked about Gabe after that game and said he is "an amazing person".
I think Luka's trust in him (he's not throwing that behind the head pass to just anyone) has also helped Gabe with his confidence in his shot these past several games.
So Rob has to keep both DFS and Gabe now to keep Luka happy.  |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | Dennis was a bad fit when we had AD. With Luka and the emergence of AR, he's a horrendous fit. He's small, not a good catch and shoot player, average playmaker (especially for someone that derives most of his value on the ball), not good off-ball, not switchable.
Gabe has been our best shooter for four months now:
38.5% from downtown since 12/1/24
1.74ppp (98th percentile in NBA) on off-screen 3s
Converting 42.1% of Catch + Shoot 3s
Clear upgrade on Dennis for this. |
I was all for letting Dennis go when we did especially once I realized we weren't going to get him for any kind of "good price". His effort was there as usual but I remember Denver just acting like he wasn't even on the floor and shooting right over the top of him. At the time it looked like Denver was going to be the new powerhouse of the West for a long time with Jokic so we needed to matchup more efficiently (I'm happy to find out this didn't age nearly as well or at least as long as I thought it was going to at the time).
Offensively, once Gabe was actually healthy again and got his legs back underneath him he's very clearly been an upgrade imo as well.. Both offensively and defensively he's a much, MUCH better fit for this current roster as well thankfully.
So many people on this board just gloss over the defensive side in spectacular ignorance and spew nonsense about Gabe and DFS not being good enough shooters which I couldn't disagree more with a Month ago let alone recently. There's a lot going on individually when our defense is humming and when you have one guy come in and disrupt it? The whole thing fails.. We seen it happen with DK in 2/3 of his last played games where he was benched quickly due to defensive mistakes. I just see it as valuable learning experience but there's an actual reason JJ is doing this instead of some of our past Coaches just clearly being in over their head. |
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| Lakeshow23_ wrote: |
This was a fine post too if I say so myself
| Lakeshow23_ wrote: | Pivoting to Vincent after striking out on Bruce Brown was sound decision making from the front office. Now, there is genuine risk involved considering the discrepancy between his playoff and regular season numbers but the process is commendable.
Vincent takes less off the table then any of the other realistic MLE candidates. More than anything, this playoffs proved that a role player is only as good as their weaknesses. We had a lot of guys that excelled at one aspect or another but couldn't see the floor the deeper we advanced in the playoffs because of their lack of versatility. With Vincent, we get a guy who may not be the best at one specific area but is capable of doing a little of everything.. In the playoffs, he was Miami's second lead creator and ran a lot of P&R, he also came off screens as a movement shooter, shot a high percentage on spot-up threes, and proved to be a rugged POA defender that had enough size to guard the likes of Jalen Brunson, Jaylen Brown and Jamal Murray.
If he could knock down shots like he did in the playoffs I think he's a better player and much much much better fit than Dennis. Dennis did a fine job this season but his limitations as an off-ball player/shooter and playmaker capped his effectiveness. Vincent can function as a tertiary ball-handler behind Lebron/Reaves/DLO but he's most effective spacing the floor for them and doesn't need the ball to impact the game. He's sort of like a lesser version of Lowry or a PG version of KCP. Those type of players rarely lose value in the playoffs. Let's hope he continues right where he left off. |
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