Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 8920 Location: Santa Monica
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:36 pm Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
slavavov wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Everyone who voted for Trump knew he was a racist when they voted for him. They can try to deny they are racist but when racism isn't a deal breaker and you would willingly let the person you are voting for inflict harm on people of color, then claiming you're "not a racist" is as distinction without a difference.
250 years and people still claiming innocence when they vote for American racists. It's sickening and cowardly.
I know I've said this to you (and others in this thread) multiple times, but some Trump voters seem to be in complete denial of his racism and the GOP's racism. Either they think Trump says that stuff for shock value or to pander to the actual racists, or they're just low-information voters who get brainwashed into thinking Trump isn't racist because right-wing media says so.
I totally get your logic that everyone who voted for Trump is racist, because I feel like you're saying everyone who voted for him has contributed to racism, which is true. But the MAGA cult has swept up some people who probably used to be decent people and are now brainwashed because they had some pain point that got exposed.
If you're driving 70mph in a 60mph zone and the cop stops you and you tell him you didn't know you were going 70mph because you hadn't checked your speedometer therefore you shouldn't get a ticket and are totally innocent, what the hell would the cop do? You were still speeding.
Or you drive the getaway car for a bank robbery but you're really innocent because you didn't ask your buddies with the guns and facemasks what they planned to do in the bank.
Willful ignorance is not an excuse. Ooops, I accidentally voted for a racist who ended Democracy and now we all live in a fascist state, but it's not my fault! How could I have known?
Sorry, I don't buy it for a single (bleep) minute. That just makes those people both ignorant and racism-complicit. Again, pleading ignorance is not the get-out-jail-free-racism card that people think it is.
(I'm not angry with you for trying to explain their rationale, I'm angry with them for inflicting so much harm on all of us.)
I totally agree that willful ignorance is no excuse for voting for a racist like Trump. Unfortunately, we have plenty of people who are blissfully ignorant of lots of cultural and social things in our society, and it is probably because they choose to remain sheltered, whether it is out of narcissism or merely fear. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Joined: 03 Oct 2003 Posts: 8920 Location: Santa Monica
Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:39 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Everyone who voted for Trump knew he was a racist when they voted for him. They can try to deny they are racist but when racism isn't a deal breaker and you would willingly let the person you are voting for inflict harm on people of color, then claiming you're "not a racist" is as distinction without a difference.
250 years and people still claiming innocence when they vote for American racists. It's sickening and cowardly.
I know I've said this to you (and others in this thread) multiple times, but some Trump voters seem to be in complete denial of his racism and the GOP's racism. Either they think Trump says that stuff for shock value or to pander to the actual racists, or they're just low-information voters who get brainwashed into thinking Trump isn't racist because right-wing media says so.
That's just an obviously transparent attempt at rationalization on their part.
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I totally get your logic that everyone who voted for Trump is racist, because I feel like you're saying everyone who voted for him has contributed to racism, which is true. But the MAGA cult has swept up some people who probably used to be decent people and are now brainwashed because they had some pain point that got exposed.
You say that like it somehow excuses any culpability on their part (or anyone else who has contributed to the descent).
Like I said to CL, there is no excuse for voting for bad politicians, whether someone is ignorant that the one they voted for is bad, or for some other reason. I'm just trying to understand things from their point of view, even though their point of view is wrong. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2025 9:42 pm Post subject:
slavavov wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Everyone who voted for Trump knew he was a racist when they voted for him. They can try to deny they are racist but when racism isn't a deal breaker and you would willingly let the person you are voting for inflict harm on people of color, then claiming you're "not a racist" is as distinction without a difference.
250 years and people still claiming innocence when they vote for American racists. It's sickening and cowardly.
I know I've said this to you (and others in this thread) multiple times, but some Trump voters seem to be in complete denial of his racism and the GOP's racism. Either they think Trump says that stuff for shock value or to pander to the actual racists, or they're just low-information voters who get brainwashed into thinking Trump isn't racist because right-wing media says so.
That's just an obviously transparent attempt at rationalization on their part.
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I totally get your logic that everyone who voted for Trump is racist, because I feel like you're saying everyone who voted for him has contributed to racism, which is true. But the MAGA cult has swept up some people who probably used to be decent people and are now brainwashed because they had some pain point that got exposed.
You say that like it somehow excuses any culpability on their part (or anyone else who has contributed to the descent).
Like I said to CL, there is no excuse for voting for bad politicians, whether someone is ignorant that the one they voted for is bad, or for some other reason. I'm just trying to understand things from their point of view, even though their point of view is wrong.
Make no mistake, I understand their “point of view”. I also know what drives that point of view.
As you say, their point of view is wrong. There’s no consideration that should be accorded them, and certainly not because of some “pain point” they may have experienced; it’s no excuse to knowingly inflict pain on others. _________________ Code 8647
Foxtrot Delta Tango
Oh damn according to the article the Russian IP address was logging in with the correct username and password that had been made by a Doge employee just minutes before.
So someone in Russia already knew the login information Doge was going to use for the new users it was creating.
The article also states that Doge turned off many security features like two-factor authentication shortly after. I wonder if they also turned off the geofencing at some point?
_________________ If we don't make it dangerous to be a Nazi
They'll make it dangerous not to be
Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 15476 Location: Boulder ;)
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:24 am Post subject:
If maga can be convinced He is seriously arussianasset maybe they begin to put Country over party?
Their party is 110% responsible for every single thing that's happening to America and Americans right now
Trump helped the worst traits of our species to become normalized.
The reason I can't stand to listen to him is because it's so easy to feel
The Zero Integrity or Honesty in his words and I'm a random idiot
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." _________________ If we don't make it dangerous to be a Nazi
They'll make it dangerous not to be
Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 15476 Location: Boulder ;)
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:35 am Post subject:
I'm sure there's nothing to see here
This won't have much effect to smaller American businesses
/s
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/15/business/hong-kong-suspends-postal-service-to-us-intl-hnk?
Hongkong Post, will stop accepting packages transported by sea with immediate effect and stop taking airborne packages starting from April 27. Other postal items containing only documents, for example letters, will not be affected. _________________ If we don't make it dangerous to be a Nazi
They'll make it dangerous not to be
Joined: 07 May 2014 Posts: 15476 Location: Boulder ;)
Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:32 am Post subject:
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Maryland Senator Chris Van Hollen traveled to El Salvador Wednesday to check on Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a man who was mistakenly deported from the U.S. and remains in prison.
Will Van Hollen himself get back into the country safely? _________________ If we don't make it dangerous to be a Nazi
They'll make it dangerous not to be
I think you should have a strategy that appeals to all working to middle class voters, that is designed to lift all ships, that is fixated on providing equal opportunities for all. (How you might govern is another thing.) I thought we were striving for a color blind (and now identity blind) society?
Which is exactly what what the Harris campaign did. Harris was very clear that she was committed to governing for all Americans, regardless of race or class.
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You don't need to say you are going to appeal to white voters--or black voters or LGBTQ voters for that matter.
Except you have been saying that the "correct "thing to do was emphasize appealing to white working class voters.
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You shouldn't need to identify any, unless, of course, a group is being attacked or bullied, and then, you identify that action and try to curb it.
So, the "identity politics" you and Carville claim is a bad message.
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How we, as individuals, act is another thing and we should all strive to treat most everyone (there are exceptions, yes) with dignity and respect.
Again, speaking of terrible outcomes, when you get beat by the worst president we have ever had, and by far, you had better rethink your strategy. Just saying everyone is stupid IS NOT a winning strategy.
Wow, lots of fallacies here. Let's start with the mistake made when one equates correlation to causation; you keep leaping from the fact that the Dems lost to the assumption that it must be because of a strategic screw up on the part of the Harris campaign; as if there were not numerous other, much more influential factors, such as the fact that Trump has spent the last decade encouraging racism and bigotry and appealing to those who thrive on those things, the media normalizing not only that, but Trump's multiple abhorrent viewpoints and indisputable criminality. Then there is complicity of the GOP in embracing all of the previously mentioned. And then there's the (sorry to be brutally frank, but) asinine assertion that anyone is saying that it is as simple, or as narrow, as "everyone is stupid". Those who facilitated Trump's victory did so through a multiple of ways; to claim that anyone is reducing it to that simple thing is extremely disingenuous.
And I have not said SHE did not. Correct me if I'm wrong, but she is not the only Democrat and she was only running for 3 months.
Do tell where I said this
Bad is your word. I simply believe it is not a winning formula, nor necessary if Democrats truly want to strive for a color blind society, and that by always focusing on 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and rarely 10, 10 feels left out. Now maybe they shouldn't, but many do, and they vote too. And really the point is, I don't see a problem with including 10 with 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and I prefer the message to be number free, helping ALL in need.
Again as I've said before and I get tired of having to say it in every freeking conversation with you, that because one thing is true, and that one thing can be the difference, does not mean it is the only thing. Geeze. And I never said it was just because of the Harris campaign. Again, she is not the only Democrat. So when I say Democrats, I actually mean Democrats. Got it? Yes, that does include her, in a general way, but because someone mentions a group does not mean EVERYONE in that group follows suit. Yes, I have said that she (and the Biden team) did not defend Biden well on inflation and I still believe this, and that this was an, if not the most, important factor in the election. (I have also said that she ran a good campaign, and you can ignore that but that is on you not me)
You and CL (though in not the same words) want to say that this is about appealing to racism. Yet, he was the same racist guy in election 1 asd he was in election 2 as he was in election 3. He only won the popular vote in election 3. Are you saying the country got more racist in election 3? (Almost everyday, and just last night on Chris Hayes with the leader of Bulwark, I hear the election was about inflation and now the one thing that is getting traction against Trump is that he is doing nothing about it and making it worse.)
Lastly I never said that you or anyone said Republicans are stupid; it just appears that people were just dancing around this, as this way of "thinking" is a way of justifying the Democrats losing, so I asked the question for clarification. Why would I do this? Well, we know there is blame with the various forms of the media and other factors that have fault, but ultimately, it is up to the individual to size up the information. AND herein, I constantly hear these individual voters, these Republicans, are this and that and the other (a way of saying it without saying it?) and while I tend to agree there is fault with the voters, I also believe it is essential for Democrats (this does not mean only Kamala), and in the media, including here, to realize Democrats are part of the media and have a voice on the media, and it is their essential role to counter the more effective voice of the other side. Sure, it is difficult and sure the other side loves to lie and mischaracterize, but though difficult, the challenge is too great to not be met. And as I see it, this counter voice is an ineffective voice, as they are not reaching people (or did not) or they might be unnecessarily offending people--even if they are correct with their assessment. Right or wrong, there are many on the right and among independents that feel this way. It is not about being "correct"; it is about winning elections and keeping the other side from screwing up the country. So from this, I constantly get a fight and mischaracterizations, and I might get an argument in return like--and I want to be careful as I don't like to mischaracterize--the Dems are not perfect in their messaging and tactics but it is not really a problem. That is what I hear, herein. And yet the Republicans control the House, the Senate, the Presidency, the SCOTUS and Dems approval in the 20-30 percentile. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Yet, he was the same racist guy in election 1 asd he was in election 2 as he was in election 3. He only won the popular vote in election 3. Are you saying the country got more racist in election 3?
It's the combination of racism/sexism/other bigotries in one Trump package.
2016 - Hillary Clinton, female (who campaigned with BLM mothers and spoke to racial disparities)
2020 - Joe Biden, white male (who by his gender and color didn't rub the racists/sexist/bigots the wrong way due to (his) white male privilege. Then 4 years of right-wing character assassination turned him into evil, criminal, doddering caricature. Media piled on and never gave credit for repairing Trump/COVID economic mess.)
2024 - Kamala Harris, black female - this was too much for the non-college whites to deal with, an intelligent, accomplished Black Woman sent them clinging to their fragile white privilege
Or it could be a coincidence. ::rolls eyes:: _________________ Don't blame me. I voted for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
Trump's closing argument was "they are eating the cats and dogs" "our country is being invaded by Latino criminals and thugs who are taking over cities" "they are vermin" "kids are getting sex change operations at schools."
What the hell do you call that except racism and bigotry?
Everyone heard it. Even the low-information people heard it because it was splashed all over tv, online, social media, commercials during sporting events, memes, every political rally (both D and R) etc.
Stop defending the people who voted for him. Stop trying to understand them. Stop trying to rationalize their choices.
They don't deserve it.
Trump's only stated economic policies were tax cuts for the rich and tariffs -- which hurt every single voter left or right except the rich ones.
Just like in 2016, their so-called "economic anxiety" was cover for "fear of losing white privilege." _________________ Don't blame me. I voted for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
Trump's closing argument was "they are eating the cats and dogs" "our country is being invaded by Latino criminals and thugs who are taking over cities" "they are vermin" "kids are getting sex change operations at schools."
What the hell do you call that except racism and bigotry?
Everyone heard it. Even the low-information people heard it because it was splashed all over tv, online, social media, commercials during sporting events, memes, every political rally (both D and R) etc.
Stop defending the people who voted for him. Stop trying to understand them. Stop trying to rationalize their choices.
They don't deserve it.
Trump's only stated economic policies were tax cuts for the rich and tariffs -- which hurt every single voter left or right except the rich ones.
Just like in 2016, their so-called "economic anxiety" was cover for "fear of losing white privilege."
So you think it was the comment about people eating cats and dogs. I have not heard this elsewhere but you are entitled to believe what you do. What I have heard, over and over and over was that people were upset about inflation, and how Kamala did not defend Biden on inflation, nor did Biden defend Biden, nor did his team defend Biden, and thus, yeah, such a leap, the voters blamed Biden.
"It's the economy stupid" was valid then and is valid now.
Also, while I don't believe your point is valid, but even if it is true, blaming everything on racism is not a winning formula. There is a segment of the population that are always racist. This is baked in. They were racist when Biden/Harris was elected, when Obama was elected, when the southerner, Clinton, was elected, when the other southerner, Carter, was elected, when even when LBJ, responsible for the greatest change in the US federal government policies with voting rights, civil rights and the whole of the Great Society, was elected, and the South went from being southern racist Democrats to become southern racist Republicans. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Trump's ICE goons are literally kidnapping kids off the street on their way to school. A young girl in a Winnie-the-Pooh t-shirt was snatched yesterday in Boston. But let's defend those poor, poor voters who just didn't have enough of the right information because they choose to watch Fox News every day to get their rage fix.
Trump's closing argument was "they are eating the cats and dogs" "our country is being invaded by Latino criminals and thugs who are taking over cities" "they are vermin" "kids are getting sex change operations at schools."
What the hell do you call that except racism and bigotry?
Everyone heard it. Even the low-information people heard it because it was splashed all over tv, online, social media, commercials during sporting events, memes, every political rally (both D and R) etc.
Stop defending the people who voted for him. Stop trying to understand them. Stop trying to rationalize their choices.
They don't deserve it.
Trump's only stated economic policies were tax cuts for the rich and tariffs -- which hurt every single voter left or right except the rich ones.
Just like in 2016, their so-called "economic anxiety" was cover for "fear of losing white privilege."
So you think it was the comment about people eating cats and dogs. I have not heard this elsewhere but you are entitled to believe what you do. What I have heard, over and over and over was that people were upset about inflation, and how Kamala did not defend Biden on inflation, nor did Biden defend Biden, nor did his team defend Biden, and thus, yeah, such a leap, the voters blamed Biden.
"It's the economy stupid" was valid then and is valid now.
Also, while I don't believe your point is valid, but even if it is true, blaming everything on racism is not a winning formula. There is a segment of the population that are always racist. This is baked in. They were racist when Biden/Harris was elected, when Obama was elected, when the southerner, Clinton, was elected, when the other southerner, Carter, was elected, when even when LBJ, responsible for the greatest change in the US federal government policies with voting rights, civil rights and the whole of the Great Society, was elected, and the South went from being southern racist Democrats to become southern racist Republicans.
I don't know if you have any Black friends, but maybe seek some out or read some work by famous Black historians. Peace out. _________________ Don't blame me. I voted for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
Trump's closing argument was "they are eating the cats and dogs" "our country is being invaded by Latino criminals and thugs who are taking over cities" "they are vermin" "kids are getting sex change operations at schools."
What the hell do you call that except racism and bigotry?
Everyone heard it. Even the low-information people heard it because it was splashed all over tv, online, social media, commercials during sporting events, memes, every political rally (both D and R) etc.
Stop defending the people who voted for him. Stop trying to understand them. Stop trying to rationalize their choices.
They don't deserve it.
Trump's only stated economic policies were tax cuts for the rich and tariffs -- which hurt every single voter left or right except the rich ones.
Just like in 2016, their so-called "economic anxiety" was cover for "fear of losing white privilege."
So you think it was the comment about people eating cats and dogs. I have not heard this elsewhere but you are entitled to believe what you do. What I have heard, over and over and over was that people were upset about inflation, and how Kamala did not defend Biden on inflation, nor did Biden defend Biden, nor did his team defend Biden, and thus, yeah, such a leap, the voters blamed Biden.
"It's the economy stupid" was valid then and is valid now.
Also, while I don't believe your point is valid, but even if it is true, blaming everything on racism is not a winning formula. There is a segment of the population that are always racist. This is baked in. They were racist when Biden/Harris was elected, when Obama was elected, when the southerner, Clinton, was elected, when the other southerner, Carter, was elected, when even when LBJ, responsible for the greatest change in the US federal government policies with voting rights, civil rights and the whole of the Great Society, was elected, and the South went from being southern racist Democrats to become southern racist Republicans.
I don't know if you have any Black friends, but maybe seek some out or read some work by famous Black historians. Peace out.
I am going to explain this for other readers.
Experts on authoritarians have pointed out that one way they assume power is to divide the populace and make one (or more) group a scapegoat.
Hitler did this. Do does Trump. It's not a coincidence.
By using demeaning language towards immigrant/specific racial groups, he is trying to dehumanize them in order to justify their subsequent punishment.
When he repeated "they are eating the cats and dogs" he was telling voters, "These people are uncivilized heathens. They are actually stealing people's pets and eating them because they are uncivilized animals and criminals. They are indecent and not worthy of living in the U.S."
And how has my "theory" played out? They are rounding non-whites up, kidnapping them from the streets, schools, workplaces and sending them to concentration camps outside the U.S. with no due process and no access to lawyers. They are treating them like animals with no human rights.
"Eating the cats and dogs" was the precursor to what we are seeing now. His voters don't think there is anything wrong with having these people exported to concentration camps because, after all, they are just animals and heathens.
Trump didn't say that stuff by accident. And I'm not the only one who realizes that. MAGAs aren't the only racists in the country. And this was a direct appeal to them on a primal level. I don't give a (bleep) if the voter claims it was the price of eggs -- that's the rationalization because they can't admit to themselves that Trump's lowest base instincts and crass disgraceful world view appeals to them.
People who are not self-aware may not consciously realize how fear-driven they are and subsequently make irrational decisions based on internalized racial/bigoted/sexist fears while simultaneously denying that truth and attributing their vote to the economy.
If they were actually voting based on the economy, a rational person would have looked at the facts of the successful Biden/Harris administration in cleaning up the mess and inflation caused by Trump's/COVID disaster. They would have looked at tariffs versus Harris' legitimate economic polices and voted for her.
They didn't because they made their primal decision first then backfilled the reason.
It's bad enough that they lie to themselves, but it's even worse when people on our side actually believe their lies and rationalizations. _________________ Don't blame me. I voted for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
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Don't believe me. Investigate what professors and experts on history, black history and authoritarianism have to say. Here are a few people to start with.
Chris Van Hollen in El Salvador, finally a Democrat using his power. Bring this man home _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
Whistleblower says Doge or Doge-like people gained access to NRLB and that immediately after they created new accounts there, there were over 20 attempts using real credentials (real logins and passwords), within minutes of these Doge characters creating accounts, from what appears to be located in Russia. This data is highly secretive and contains sensitive Corporate insider documents.
From Cnn:
From Rachel: _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Don't believe me. Investigate what professors and experts on history, black history and authoritarianism have to say. Here are a few people to start with.
I clicked on the first link and there is nothing to your point. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Whistleblower says Doge or Doge-like people gained access to NRLB and that immediately after they created new accounts there, there were over 20 attempts using real credentials (real logins and passwords), within minutes of these Doge characters creating accounts, from what appears to be located in Russia. This data is highly secretive and contains sensitive Corporate insider documents.
From Cnn:
From Rachel:
Let see if democrats can hold these russian assets accountable _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
It's bad enough that they lie to themselves, but it's even worse when people on our side actually believe their lies and rationalizations.
If I didn't know better I would say this is an ad hominem attack by a mod, but I suppose it could just be a generalization, so even though I really have my doubts, I think it best to give the benefit of the doubt.
But I do wonder, who are the "they" and what are these lies to themselves, and just what lies and rationalizations is it that people on "our" side, believe and who are these people on "our" side? _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Don't believe me. Investigate what professors and experts on history, black history and authoritarianism have to say. Here are a few people to start with.
I clicked on the first link and there is nothing to your point.
The wikipedia article CL linked to contains a bunch of publications by the acclaimed Ruth Ben-Ghiat.
The one that has received much attention is her book Strongmen: From Mussolini to the Present, which is very much relevant to what's going on currently and related to CL's point on authoritarianism.
The other two links are just as relevant and appropriate.
Trump's closing argument was "they are eating the cats and dogs" "our country is being invaded by Latino criminals and thugs who are taking over cities" "they are vermin" "kids are getting sex change operations at schools."
What the hell do you call that except racism and bigotry?
Everyone heard it. Even the low-information people heard it because it was splashed all over tv, online, social media, commercials during sporting events, memes, every political rally (both D and R) etc.
Stop defending the people who voted for him. Stop trying to understand them. Stop trying to rationalize their choices.
They don't deserve it.
Trump's only stated economic policies were tax cuts for the rich and tariffs -- which hurt every single voter left or right except the rich ones.
Just like in 2016, their so-called "economic anxiety" was cover for "fear of losing white privilege."
So you think it was the comment about people eating cats and dogs. I have not heard this elsewhere but you are entitled to believe what you do. What I have heard, over and over and over was that people were upset about inflation, and how Kamala did not defend Biden on inflation, nor did Biden defend Biden, nor did his team defend Biden, and thus, yeah, such a leap, the voters blamed Biden.
"It's the economy stupid" was valid then and is valid now.
Also, while I don't believe your point is valid, but even if it is true, blaming everything on racism is not a winning formula. There is a segment of the population that are always racist. This is baked in. They were racist when Biden/Harris was elected, when Obama was elected, when the southerner, Clinton, was elected, when the other southerner, Carter, was elected, when even when LBJ, responsible for the greatest change in the US federal government policies with voting rights, civil rights and the whole of the Great Society, was elected, and the South went from being southern racist Democrats to become southern racist Republicans.
I don't know if you have any Black friends, but maybe seek some out or read some work by famous Black historians. Peace out.
I am going to explain this for other readers.
Experts on authoritarians have pointed out that one way they assume power is to divide the populace and make one (or more) group a scapegoat.
Hitler did this. Do does Trump. It's not a coincidence.
By using demeaning language towards immigrant/specific racial groups, he is trying to dehumanize them in order to justify their subsequent punishment.
When he repeated "they are eating the cats and dogs" he was telling voters, "These people are uncivilized heathens. They are actually stealing people's pets and eating them because they are uncivilized animals and criminals. They are indecent and not worthy of living in the U.S."
And how has my "theory" played out? They are rounding non-whites up, kidnapping them from the streets, schools, workplaces and sending them to concentration camps outside the U.S. with no due process and no access to lawyers. They are treating them like animals with no human rights.
"Eating the cats and dogs" was the precursor to what we are seeing now. His voters don't think there is anything wrong with having these people exported to concentration camps because, after all, they are just animals and heathens.
Trump didn't say that stuff by accident. And I'm not the only one who realizes that. MAGAs aren't the only racists in the country. And this was a direct appeal to them on a primal level. I don't give a (bleep) if the voter claims it was the price of eggs -- that's the rationalization because they can't admit to themselves that Trump's lowest base instincts and crass disgraceful world view appeals to them.
People who are not self-aware may not consciously realize how fear-driven they are and subsequently make irrational decisions based on internalized racial/bigoted/sexist fears while simultaneously denying that truth and attributing their vote to the economy.
If they were actually voting based on the economy, a rational person would have looked at the facts of the successful Biden/Harris administration in cleaning up the mess and inflation caused by Trump's/COVID disaster. They would have looked at tariffs versus Harris' legitimate economic polices and voted for her.
They didn't because they made their primal decision first then backfilled the reason.
It's bad enough that they lie to themselves, but it's even worse when people on our side actually believe their lies and rationalizations.
As to the entirety of this post, some of it makes sense but what doesn't is your premise. You are attacking me because I do not feel that Trump saying that people eating cats and dogs was the reason for their vote, but then you shift to this being Trump's authoritarian goal, and to this latter point, I agree. But the fact that, yes, he had an authoritarian goal does not mean that people voted for him for that reason. He was a racist, or sure sounded like one, on day one when he said Mexicans are drug dealers, criminals and rapists.
You also assume that this was a sub conscious goal of these people. I have another problem when someone wants to define what another person wants or is thinking from afar, consciously, let alone subconsciously. Here, I have to be agnostic as I don't have such ability. You also say his supporters don't mind that he is deporting people, and I don't know where you get your data, but while this might be true of many, if not most, of his MAGA supporters, I kinda doubt that is is from a majority of the independents or Democrats that swung to him. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
Don't believe me. Investigate what professors and experts on history, black history and authoritarianism have to say. Here are a few people to start with.
I clicked on the first link and there is nothing to your point.
The wikipedia article CL linked to contains a bunch of publications by the acclaimed Ruth Ben-Ghiat.
The one that has received much attention is her book Strongmen: From Mussolini to the Present, which is very much relevant to what's going on currently and related to CL's point on authoritarianism.
The other two links are just as relevant and appropriate.
Thank you. I will now exit this iteration of the "who's at fault" argument as it has become unproductive. _________________ Don't blame me. I voted for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
This tweet is from one of the people I mentioned above - Black historian and author.
Quote:
Michael Harriot @michaelharriot
Black Americans make up 13% of the population. But as federal government employees, they are:
20% of the Dept of Health & Human Services
24% of Veterans Affairs
26% of postal workers,
30% of the Dept of Education
That's the "swamp" Trump is draining
The article he refers to is written by Black History professor, David Love, and gives a short summary of some of the institutional racism that is real and how Trump seeks to inflict harm on Black people with his current policies. Because Trump is a racist and attracts people to him because of it and that is not something that can be ignored.
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The criminal theft of citizens hard earned money through pump and dump of the stock market by the US President is horrific terrorist activity
If Trump passes Vance takes over if Vance passes Mike Johnson takes over - all (bleep) loons ... no more elections either eh
There is NO reason not to hate a Republican voter
NAME IT
What were the Democrats not offering the citizenry? We didn't offer to commit crimes against you in your name or to murder the constituiton or throw fellow citizens in Gulags.. is that we didn't offer
DAF is all they are.. 100 years of economic data and Trumps own words reveal Democrats run circles around Republican Terrorists on the ECONOMY
Who supports Workers Rights and Unions
Who supports Veterans and Their Families
Who supports HEALTHCARE
Is WHITEY going to pick the (bleep) produce and fruit in 2025?
Take care of your family members in retirement centers
Fight for janitorial and office cleaning jobs
If you vote Republican you are a Masochist EOS!
WHITEY is fighting for jobs at ICE and Palantir to lockup his fellow citizens
*I'm white fwiw.
Russian Troops will be inside our country by years end MMW _________________ If we don't make it dangerous to be a Nazi
They'll make it dangerous not to be
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