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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | levon wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: | | levon wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | I asked this earlier, but would you guys do Luka for Banchero + Franz Wagner + picks? |
No because I like when my basketball players are good at putting the basketball in the hoop at an effective rate. |
And I like when my players could deny the ball from going into the hoop at an effective rate. |
Luka's defensive EPM is higher than Banchero's. They're not the same stratosphere of player.
It's getting a little pathetic on these boards. Part of me wishes we get no superstars ever again so they don't have to deal with our cranky ass fanbase. |
I'd rather have championships. I'd rather have non superstars AD and Max and won 4 championships than a fatass superstar with no means to build a contender around him. |
I’d rather have no good players and every championship for the last 40 years.
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I don't know how Bam's supermax hasn't disqualified him from consideration. 51m, 55m, and 59m, from 2026-2029.
Even good players harm their teams when they get paid too much. It's why the Nuggets are stuck as a team despite having the best player in the world. Jamal Murray and MPJ are hurting their teams despite being really good players.
It's crazy that you guys worry about LeBron making $50 mil for 1 year in which the Lakers aren't going to be a cap space team, but don't worry about Bam's contract or what AR's future contract is going to mean when the Lakers are going to want to be a cap space team in 2026 or 2027.
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| BILBJH wrote: | Bam Adebayo's eFG% during his last three playoff series
45.5%
50.5%
49.2%
Austin Reaves' eFG% during his last three playoff series
68.6%
53.2%
51.4% (you know, the one where he singlehandedly cost us)
Austin's worst playoff series is still higher than Bam's shooting efficiency and you want to trade Reaves, Knecht, and two first rounders plus filler?
What is this spell Bam has over you guys?
He doesn't block shots, he hasn't been good in the playoffs in over three years.
Does he fill a need? Sure. Good defender and rebounder who can score somewhat.
If you can trade Reaves straight up for Bam, you do it.
Four assets plus picks for someone who did nothing in the last three playoff series and offers no rim protection?
I don't get it.
You all are reaming Reaves for his sh*tty playoff performance and your solution is to give up half the team and the rest of our picks for someone who was even sh*ttier in his last three playoff series.
Stop trying to overpay for people who have been mid stars.
Bam is better but he isn't worth Reaves plus all these assets and the shocking thing is that you think we should give up more if we had it. |
I don’t want to trade for Bam but he provides better interior defense than Reaves does. And interior defense is badly needed.
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| lakersfever714 wrote: |
I'd rather have championships. I'd rather have non superstars AD and Max and won 4 championships than a fatass superstar with no means to build a contender around him. |
I cannot figure out if you're a troll or what. For now, I'll just train myself to skip over your posts.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | Bam Adebayo's eFG% during his last three playoff series
45.5%
50.5%
49.2%
Austin Reaves' eFG% during his last three playoff series
68.6%
53.2%
51.4% (you know, the one where he singlehandedly cost us)
Austin's worst playoff series is still higher than Bam's shooting efficiency and you want to trade Reaves, Knecht, and two first rounders plus filler?
What is this spell Bam has over you guys?
He doesn't block shots, he hasn't been good in the playoffs in over three years.
Does he fill a need? Sure. Good defender and rebounder who can score somewhat.
If you can trade Reaves straight up for Bam, you do it.
Four assets plus picks for someone who did nothing in the last three playoff series and offers no rim protection?
I don't get it.
You all are reaming Reaves for his sh*tty playoff performance and your solution is to give up half the team and the rest of our picks for someone who was even sh*ttier in his last three playoff series.
Stop trying to overpay for people who have been mid stars.
Bam is better but he isn't worth Reaves plus all these assets and the shocking thing is that you think we should give up more if we had it. |
I don’t want to trade for Bam but he provides better interior defense than Reaves does. And interior defense is badly needed. |
Trading AR for Bam moves Gabe into the starting lineup in the back court and creates a bigger hole at back up PG/SG. That’s not quite as bad as the roster that had Hayes starting in the front court but it’s not much better. I rather not create more holes when trying to fill the existing one.
Let’s keep AR, even if Gabe has to start, it would somewhat mitigate problems by having a 6MOTY type back up like AR. Fix the hole at C with Vando/Kleber/Knecht/Shake/FRP/2ndRP/Swaps = ~$29m so that other major holes aren’t created and a complete roster is presented. Better yet, get creative with the expendable group by adding Gabe to it (~$40m) to not only fill the starting C position but also back up C, as well as a 3&D starting SG. Perhaps some combination of tpMLE (or full MLE w/LBJ discount), and BAE could be used to complete the ship build.
This should be the plan imo:
C-trade/BackupC-BAE
PF-LBJ
SF-Rui/DFS
SG-MLE
PG-Luka/AR
The starting C obviously wouldn’t be as good without using AR but it wouldn’t create another hole in the roster while filling in the existing hole. The net result would likely be an overall more competitive team better constructed for a legitimate ship run.
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: |
I'd rather have championships. I'd rather have non superstars AD and Max and won 4 championships than a fatass superstar with no means to build a contender around him. |
I cannot figure out if you're a troll or what. For now, I'll just train myself to skip over your posts. |
Rage bait
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| Japago wrote: | I don't know how Bam's supermax hasn't disqualified him from consideration. 51m, 55m, and 59m, from 2026-2029.
Even good players harm their teams when they get paid too much. It's why the Nuggets are stuck as a team despite having the best player in the world. Jamal Murray and MPJ are hurting their teams despite being really good players.
It's crazy that you guys worry about LeBron making $50 mil for 1 year in which the Lakers aren't going to be a cap space team, but don't worry about Bam's contract or what AR's future contract is going to mean when the Lakers are going to want to be a cap space team in 2026 or 2027. |
Seriously man...
Bam is a nice player but for that salary, it makes him a neutral value at most. |
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I'll be surprise if they trade Kleber this offseason... They most likely wait until the trade deadline to see how he fits in this team.
6'10 stretch big, he can play 4 and 5 should be a solid 3rd big. |
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my center wishlist in order would be :
1) Myles Turner (very low probablity)
2) Daniel Gafford (again very low probability)
3) Walker Kessler (danny aint trading him to us)
4) De'Andre Ayton (first center on the list that is very realistic, but questions about motor)
5) Nic Claxton (gettable, but poor FT shooter and too light/easy to push around)
6) Steven Adams (need bron paycut)
De'Andre Ayton and Claxton both seem like the realistic targets above. But both would probably be coming in a larger package. Im sure Rob and the FO have many different versions of what the Lakers starting lineup looks like next year already modeled out, with the only two constants being Luka and LeBron
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | lakersfever714 wrote: |
I'd rather have championships. I'd rather have non superstars AD and Max and won 4 championships than a fatass superstar with no means to build a contender around him. |
I cannot figure out if you're a troll or what. For now, I'll just train myself to skip over your posts. |
Don't go to the Luka Doncic thread, he has been unbearable in there. I think he really believes AD and Max could win us 4 championships. |
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| Inverse wrote: | my center wishlist in order would be :
1) Myles Turner (very low probablity)
2) Daniel Gafford (again very low probability)
3) Walker Kessler (danny aint trading him to us)
4) De'Andre Ayton (first center on the list that is very realistic, but questions about motor)
5) Nic Claxton (gettable, but poor FT shooter and too light/easy to push around)
6) Steven Adams (need bron paycut)
De'Andre Ayton and Claxton both seem like the realistic targets above. But both would probably be coming in a larger package. Im sure Rob and the FO have many different versions of what the Lakers starting lineup looks like next year already modeled out, with the only two constants being Luka and LeBron |
I think you can safely include Bronny in that.
Jokes aside, although it wasn’t much of a joke, I see AR and DFS also back. I think they’ll be hesitant to move Rui but they’ve been outwardly committed to AR. |
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Inverse wrote: | my center wishlist in order would be :
1) Myles Turner (very low probablity)
2) Daniel Gafford (again very low probability)
3) Walker Kessler (danny aint trading him to us)
4) De'Andre Ayton (first center on the list that is very realistic, but questions about motor)
5) Nic Claxton (gettable, but poor FT shooter and too light/easy to push around)
6) Steven Adams (need bron paycut)
De'Andre Ayton and Claxton both seem like the realistic targets above. But both would probably be coming in a larger package. Im sure Rob and the FO have many different versions of what the Lakers starting lineup looks like next year already modeled out, with the only two constants being Luka and LeBron |
I'm basically down to Ayton and Claxton too.
I'm intrigued by Ayton because he has more upside and I think he might be cheaper asset-wise because he's an expiring contract and making a lot of money.
I get the feeling they'd go for Claxton though. I think they'll value that he's locked into a nice, descending contract, meaning he's more easily part of future plans. |
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I also think Jaylin Williams on OKC is a realistic option for us. Not someone high on my list but someone that will probably be available as he will likely be a cap causality in OKC as their front court is crowded and they have so many picks coming in. They may not pick up his option, lettin him walk in free agency this summer or look to trade him
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Japago wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | my center wishlist in order would be :
1) Myles Turner (very low probablity)
2) Daniel Gafford (again very low probability)
3) Walker Kessler (danny aint trading him to us)
4) De'Andre Ayton (first center on the list that is very realistic, but questions about motor)
5) Nic Claxton (gettable, but poor FT shooter and too light/easy to push around)
6) Steven Adams (need bron paycut)
De'Andre Ayton and Claxton both seem like the realistic targets above. But both would probably be coming in a larger package. Im sure Rob and the FO have many different versions of what the Lakers starting lineup looks like next year already modeled out, with the only two constants being Luka and LeBron |
I'm basically down to Ayton and Claxton too.
I'm intrigued by Ayton because he has more upside and I think he might be cheaper asset-wise because he's an expiring contract and making a lot of money.
I get the feeling they'd go for Claxton though. I think they'll value that he's locked into a nice, descending contract, meaning he's more easily part of future plans. |
I agree with claxton and the abilty to get cam johnson as well would be killing two birds with one stone
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| Inverse wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | my center wishlist in order would be :
1) Myles Turner (very low probablity)
2) Daniel Gafford (again very low probability)
3) Walker Kessler (danny aint trading him to us)
4) De'Andre Ayton (first center on the list that is very realistic, but questions about motor)
5) Nic Claxton (gettable, but poor FT shooter and too light/easy to push around)
6) Steven Adams (need bron paycut)
De'Andre Ayton and Claxton both seem like the realistic targets above. But both would probably be coming in a larger package. Im sure Rob and the FO have many different versions of what the Lakers starting lineup looks like next year already modeled out, with the only two constants being Luka and LeBron |
I'm basically down to Ayton and Claxton too.
I'm intrigued by Ayton because he has more upside and I think he might be cheaper asset-wise because he's an expiring contract and making a lot of money.
I get the feeling they'd go for Claxton though. I think they'll value that he's locked into a nice, descending contract, meaning he's more easily part of future plans. |
I agree with claxton and the abilty to get cam johnson as well would be killing two birds with one stone |
You're including AR? |
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| jb2 wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | | Japago wrote: | | Inverse wrote: | my center wishlist in order would be :
1) Myles Turner (very low probablity)
2) Daniel Gafford (again very low probability)
3) Walker Kessler (danny aint trading him to us)
4) De'Andre Ayton (first center on the list that is very realistic, but questions about motor)
5) Nic Claxton (gettable, but poor FT shooter and too light/easy to push around)
6) Steven Adams (need bron paycut)
De'Andre Ayton and Claxton both seem like the realistic targets above. But both would probably be coming in a larger package. Im sure Rob and the FO have many different versions of what the Lakers starting lineup looks like next year already modeled out, with the only two constants being Luka and LeBron |
I'm basically down to Ayton and Claxton too.
I'm intrigued by Ayton because he has more upside and I think he might be cheaper asset-wise because he's an expiring contract and making a lot of money.
I get the feeling they'd go for Claxton though. I think they'll value that he's locked into a nice, descending contract, meaning he's more easily part of future plans. |
I agree with claxton and the abilty to get cam johnson as well would be killing two birds with one stone |
You're including AR? |
I would if we could get Cam and Claxton both. I think something like this could be interesting https://fanspo.com/nba/trades/VH_NgeSwBBkLST . Not sure if Riles can stomach a rebuild, but if he can those picks and AR would be good value for Bam. We'd have a lineup of
Luka Doncic
DFS
Cam Johnson
LeBron
Nic Claxton
With Rui, Knecht and 2031 FRP to bring in another impact player or just keep them and roll with it. We're still missing a number 2 option in that lineup though as I dont really consider LeBron that guy for next year and beyond
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| I think the right mindset to approach the offseason is not making any desperate move but if the right offer is on the table, don’t reject it for 2026 cap space. |
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I would stay away from Ayton. At his salary and I know he went to the Finals with CP3, but he's a player on a big deal that doesn't really protect the basket all that well or move his feet defensively.
Obviously depends on the ask, but if it's like Vando/Gabe/Maxi and a #2s you do it. Why would POR? They would want someone of considerable value. I wouldn't give them Rui/Reaves. I would also pass on a #1 for Ayton. |
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I honestly have fallen away from following the team the last several years., so asking some of you who are more on top of things here:
What is AR's trade value? I imagine it's quite high. I love him, but he is not a good fit with Luka, and Luka is the franchise.
Would AR net Kessler in a trade? With filler to make the salaries match of course. Would we also get a pick, or have to give a pick? I'd consider AR and Vincent for Clarkson and Kessler, if that is do able?
Then, what would be the cost of Herbert Jones? Assuming we could make the first deal, and either get a pick back or just not have to give one up, could we get Jones say for Kieiber and a first, maybe with an additional swap included if necessary?
Would the other franchises do this deal?
https://www.espn.com/nba/trademachine?tradeId=2xtjq63c
I don't think this saved properly.
The trade would be 3 teams.
LAL-In- Clarkson, H. Jones, Kessler
Out- Reeves, Vincent, 1st
Utah-In Reeves, Vincent
Out- Clarkson, Kessler
NO- In Kleber, !st
Out- H. Jones
I think we need a KCP type in the BC with Luka, and Jones is a great defender and a decent shooter.
I'd start Luka, Jones, DFS, LBJ, Kessler.
That team could run in transition, play great D and you have shooters for Luka and LBJ. 2 3&D guys with Luka and LBJ and a stud defensive C who can run the floor.
Then a 2nd unit of Clarkson, Knecht, Vandy, Rui and Hayes (who I'd resign).
Clarkson, DK and Rui can score, and Vandy and Hayes provide the D on that unit.
Would these trades even be possible in your opinions?
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| Quote: | Daniel Gafford wants starting center money which could lead to a trade.
"Dereck Lively is a year away from getting an extension, Daniel Gafford is entering the final year of his contract, Gafford reasonably and rightly wants to get starting center money," MacMahon explained. "You can’t have AD on a max, Lively on a big contract and pay Gafford starting center money. - (@) espn_macmahon |
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| Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | Quote: | Daniel Gafford wants starting center money which could lead to a trade.
"Dereck Lively is a year away from getting an extension, Daniel Gafford is entering the final year of his contract, Gafford reasonably and rightly wants to get starting center money," MacMahon explained. "You can’t have AD on a max, Lively on a big contract and pay Gafford starting center money. - [ at ] espn_macmahon |
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I can see the people on this board trading Reaves for Gafford, giving Dallas insurance for Kyrie and a potential title. |
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| BILBJH wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | Quote: | Daniel Gafford wants starting center money which could lead to a trade.
"Dereck Lively is a year away from getting an extension, Daniel Gafford is entering the final year of his contract, Gafford reasonably and rightly wants to get starting center money," MacMahon explained. "You can’t have AD on a max, Lively on a big contract and pay Gafford starting center money. - ( a t ) espn_macmahon |
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I can see the people on this board trading Reaves for Gafford, giving Dallas insurance for Kyrie and a potential title. |
Rui and a pick for Gaff. If not there are other options to explore. |
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On the Giannis front, I actually think if he has his way, he stays in Milwaukee another year. With two years left on his deal he has limited say in where he's dealt, and his next move will be crucial to his aligning maximum wealth and competitive success. Get sent to the wrong situation and he may have to choose one or the other. I
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| panamaniac wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | Quote: | Daniel Gafford wants starting center money which could lead to a trade.
"Dereck Lively is a year away from getting an extension, Daniel Gafford is entering the final year of his contract, Gafford reasonably and rightly wants to get starting center money," MacMahon explained. "You can’t have AD on a max, Lively on a big contract and pay Gafford starting center money. - AT espn_macmahon |
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I can see the people on this board trading Reaves for Gafford, giving Dallas insurance for Kyrie and a potential title. |
Rui and a pick for Gaff. If not there are other options to explore. |
Gafford isn't getting you a 1st. He's about to get paid. The market for such players tends to be a couple of 2nds and salary ballast. Tough to see Dallas helping the Lakers though. Nico has sold the size angle.
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| Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| panamaniac wrote: | | BILBJH wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | Quote: | Daniel Gafford wants starting center money which could lead to a trade.
"Dereck Lively is a year away from getting an extension, Daniel Gafford is entering the final year of his contract, Gafford reasonably and rightly wants to get starting center money," MacMahon explained. "You can’t have AD on a max, Lively on a big contract and pay Gafford starting center money. - (@) espn_macmahon |
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I can see the people on this board trading Reaves for Gafford, giving Dallas insurance for Kyrie and a potential title. |
Rui and a pick for Gaff. If not there are other options to explore. |
The problem with this is Dallas fans could stomach a Reaves for Gafford trade but they would go ballistic if we got Gafford for Rui even with the pick.
I think that's a fair trade though.
Dallas is super dangerous if they make a good trade for him.
Of course it all depends on Kyrie's health.
The thing people don't understand is that it's good if Dallas has a glut of centers because they can't play them all at the same time.
If they got Reaves or even Rui, they become all the more dangerous.
Even if I wasn't a Reaves fan, I'd never want Dallas to get him because he's exactly what they need for Kyrie insurance and because Dallas is so long and athletic, it covers Reaves' shortcomings. |
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