Watching Zubac change the momentum in the 2nd qtr. with terrible passes right after a rebound, then zubac with missed layup and then fouling for an and 1 ..
This thread ain’t aging well at all
Did you watch our series? Yeah we sure as crap didn't need a legit center against the Wolves Nothing happened last game to indicate the need for a center
Zubac btw this series. 17/10 on 65%
There is no scenario in this world where this thread looks bad in relation to the gaping hole on this team.
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then! _________________ When reasonably possible, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a completely committed effort by the GM for the last 2 off seasons nor the last 2 trade deadlines. What is going on?
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then!
How does that team acquire AD? _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then!
Some of those guys aren't technically MAX, but still super expensive. It would probably be most expensive roster in NBA history. Jeanie Buss would be in the poor house with all the luxury taxes. _________________ "The game is MORE than just one player. Without Luka, DFS would have been more than enough to replace him based on what we've seen," LakersFever714, the greatest casual of all time.
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then!
How does that team acquire AD?
You don't acquire him in the summer of 19. You wait for his free agency, which means no bubble chip. _________________ "The game is MORE than just one player. Without Luka, DFS would have been more than enough to replace him based on what we've seen," LakersFever714, the greatest casual of all time.
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then!
How does that team acquire AD?
You don't acquire him in the summer of 19. You wait for his free agency, which means no bubble chip.
That's what I always wanted, for them to wait 1 more year and sign AD as a FA. Who knows if we would have even had a parade and where we'd be now. _________________ GO LAKERS!!!
It’s not this serious _________________ Trade Bronny East.
How do you finish -53 on a 50-win team?
This game today is a little bit more soft, to call anybody a GOAT nowadays is disrespectful to ... the awards and accolades [MJI and Kobe have won.
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then!
…this team’s construction would have stuck with the 2max player plan added to the young pups…that’s something more like what we had envisioned would happen back then!
PIPE MUCH?
Oh yea, guilty on all counts lol! Fantasy for sure! Unlikely to have ever come to that! _________________ When reasonably possible, I expect the Lakers to go after a ship like it can’t be denied. I haven’t seen a completely committed effort by the GM for the last 2 off seasons nor the last 2 trade deadlines. What is going on?
There's a few issues for me with that line of thinking. Always has been.
1) AD would have went to Boston. Boston would have done well, and unlikely he leaves. He would have been paired with Kyrie and some of that Boston talent. Well coached. Good situation, way better than Pelicans. Knowing the Lakers would not be willing to trade for him, he may have seen that as a sign he's better off with a team that was. Plus, the extra year of guaranteed money. A lot of factors. We made the same assumption with Paul George and we saw how well that turned out. PG never joined the Lakers in FA.
2) A lot of false assumptions that so many chefs in the kitchen would have worked. Ingram, Ball, Randle and AD/Bron would have not worked at a championship level. Many reasons. 1) Ball was injury prone. No chemistry with all the Ball injuries. 2) Randle didn't shoot well as a Laker and played a very similar game to Bron. 3) Ingram was arguably a solid fit but again, he's not a good defender. Which is what we needed to win.
3) The only guys that I think fit that Pelinka should have kept are Zubac and Hart. Yep, he should have found a way to get more talent like that around AD/Bron. No arguments there. We let a lot of pieces go for nothing. Silliness. Continued to do it even after winning a title.
4) AD led us to Luka. Without trading for AD, we don't have the center piece o a Luka trade. Think back to how long this will run. We were a LOTTERY team with the youth and Lebron. Now we'll have had a all NBA level, elite player up until possibly 2031 (or beyond even). That's over a decade of having an elite talent. First AD from 2019-2024 in his prime years. Now Luka in his prime years from 2025-2031 or beyond. Already after being a lottery team from 2014-2019, we've gone to the playoffs 5 times, won a NBA championship, WCF and three playoff appearances. With Luka, we may get the same sort of success over the next 5 years. That's essentially a decade + of solid results because of 1 transaction.
So no, I don't think we made the wrong move. What the wrong moves were the moves around trading for AD.
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Posted: Sat May 10, 2025 9:49 pm Post subject:
wolfpaclaker wrote:
There's a few issues for me with that line of thinking. Always has been.
1) AD would have went to Boston. Boston would have done well, and unlikely he leaves. He would have been paired with Kyrie and some of that Boston talent. Well coached. Good situation, way better than Pelicans. Knowing the Lakers would not be willing to trade for him, he may have seen that as a sign he's better off with a team that was. Plus, the extra year of guaranteed money. A lot of factors. We made the same assumption with Paul George and we saw how well that turned out. PG never joined the Lakers in FA.
2) A lot of false assumptions that so many chefs in the kitchen would have worked. Ingram, Ball, Randle and AD/Bron would have not worked at a championship level. Many reasons. 1) Ball was injury prone. No chemistry with all the Ball injuries. 2) Randle didn't shoot well as a Laker and played a very similar game to Bron. 3) Ingram was arguably a solid fit but again, he's not a good defender. Which is what we needed to win.
3) The only guys that I think fit that Pelinka should have kept are Zubac and Hart. Yep, he should have found a way to get more talent like that around AD/Bron. No arguments there. We let a lot of pieces go for nothing. Silliness. Continued to do it even after winning a title.
4) AD led us to Luka. Without trading for AD, we don't have the center piece o a Luka trade. Think back to how long this will run. We were a LOTTERY team with the youth and Lebron. Now we'll have had a all NBA level, elite player up until possibly 2031 (or beyond even). That's over a decade of having an elite talent. First AD from 2019-2024 in his prime years. Now Luka in his prime years from 2025-2031 or beyond. Already after being a lottery team from 2014-2019, we've gone to the playoffs 5 times, won a NBA championship, WCF and three playoff appearances. With Luka, we may get the same sort of success over the next 5 years. That's essentially a decade + of solid results because of 1 transaction.
So no, I don't think we made the wrong move. What the wrong moves were the moves around trading for AD.
What would have happened in each of the following scenarios:
1) We get Paul George in the 2018 offseason to pair with LeBron.
2) We sign Kawhi in the 2019 offseason.
3) We sign Jimmy Butler in the 2019 offseason. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned.
I’m still wondering why Jerry West didn’t intervene and stop the SGA trade.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned.
I’m still wondering why Jerry West didn’t intervene and stop the SGA trade.
Risk/reward that if the Clippers were healthy that they had a chance of winning championships before SGA would become relevant or significant in the league. That didn't happen though. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 2:04 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
zambia wrote:
Japago wrote:
It was a bad trade, but come on.
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned.
I’m still wondering why Jerry West didn’t intervene and stop the SGA trade.
Risk/reward that if the Clippers were healthy that they had a chance of winning championships before SGA would become relevant or significant in the league. That didn't happen though.
Kawhi was viewed as a Kobe-level player and dynasty slayer after that 2019 championship with the Raptors. His condition on joining the Clippers was that they trade for Paul George.
SGA had been drafted 11th overall (same draft class as Luka, Trae Young, JJJ, Brunson, and Ayton) by the Charlotte Hornets and was immediately traded to the Clippers for Miles Bridges and two second rounders. He was a lower tier lottery pick, not a top prospect. He made the all rookie second team after averaging 10.8 ppg. So he was a nice young player to have at that time but not a guaranteed all star or anything.
In the version of this Clippers trade where it made sense, Kawhi/Paul George win one or more championships. SGA tops out at a 15 ppg level guy and all the first rounders/swaps are low value. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2025 5:38 pm Post subject:
I hated the trade at the time and it obviously looked worse and worse (though I feel confident in saying there's absolutely no way he's still a Laker in 2025 regardless), but it is always kind of funny seeing Lakers fans lament losing players like Caruso and Zubac. For years we'll wail about these guys escaping the purple and gold. How could it happen? What will we do? How cursed we are!
Meanwhile, other teams lament losing...
Wilt
Kareem
Shaq
Kobe
Pau
LeBron
AD
Luka
We're doing all right.
(And I do the same. I'm still annoyed we took Mike McGee over Larry Nance. Like...how much more did I want from the 80s? Didn't Jerry West do enough for the franchise?)
That very same team gave up a future superstar, 5 draft picks, and 4 pick swaps for players that peaked at 1 WCF appearance.
The Mavericks just gave up a known superstar in his prime for 31 year old AD, and a solid role player, and a FRP.
It doesn't come close to that level of bad trades.
Zubac is nice, but I legit would be concerned about a C like that defending in space in the post-season.
Definitely awful trade considering Muscala wasn't that good even at the time, but there've been trades that completely destroyed teams' futures like the 2 that I mentioned.
I’m still wondering why Jerry West didn’t intervene and stop the SGA trade.
Risk/reward that if the Clippers were healthy that they had a chance of winning championships before SGA would become relevant or significant in the league. That didn't happen though.
Kawhi was viewed as a Kobe-level player and dynasty slayer after that 2019 championship with the Raptors. His condition on joining the Clippers was that they trade for Paul George.
SGA had been drafted 11th overall (same draft class as Luka, Trae Young, JJJ, Brunson, and Ayton) by the Charlotte Hornets and was immediately traded to the Clippers for Miles Bridges and two second rounders. He was a lower tier lottery pick, not a top prospect. He made the all rookie second team after averaging 10.8 ppg. So he was a nice young player to have at that time but not a guaranteed all star or anything.
In the version of this Clippers trade where it made sense, Kawhi/Paul George win one or more championships. SGA tops out at a 15 ppg level guy and all the first rounders/swaps are low value.
That is the craziest stuff i've heard around forums. Kawhi Leonard the dynasty slayer.
Dude faced GSW with Durant and Klay injured lol. They were literally putting 4 guys on Curry and daring scrubs to hit shots.
Dynasty slayer....Narrative sure helps the mythmaking.
It'll help mask Kawhi absolutely crapping the bed on numerous playoffs for the clippers.
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Nothing happened last game to indicate the need for a center 
