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akk7
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | governator wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | governator wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR/Bruce Brown or AR/DeJountae or AR/KCP is a better fit than DLo/AR, one needs to be above average defender. AR can pick up the scoring slack from DLo’s departure aka he’d be the third option |
AR is not a playmaker and cant setup the offense...he is a shooting guard
DJM can defend somewhat but if he could defend so well then ATL wouldnt have the thought of wanting to trade him. However it is said that the coach wants to keep him which means you will have to pony up picks and start with AR to get him. Trea might actually be the odd man out which means you really have no defense. Anyway another problem is that DJM has be a catch and shoot 3pt when LBJ is in the game and a actual Playmaker when LBJ comes out.
KCP...is a 3-D player but what alot of people are not saying or forgetting is before 2020 playoffs many people wanted him gone. Why? because regular season KCP would make boneheaded plays like pasing the ball to a guest in the stands. Also its never been proven that he could be a help defender as during that time we had Rhondo who didnt need help defense where AR def will as he can get hunted. |
Yeah, RP gonna both have to earn their paycheck regarding bringing DeJountae but he’s worth trading some picks (gotta keep AR tho). KCP is better now than 4 yrs ago, his defense in playoff is above average, no more obvious rookie mistakes. I think a Bruce Brown or a Marcus Smart type would do well next to AR also. Like I said this is on RP to figure out how to improve DLo the asset |
It matters how much you have to give up for DJM. When a coach kind of standing up for you it puts pressure on the GM to either keep him or betta get a good sum back for him. We had the same issue when Rob and Ham sat down to think about getting Gabe or Shro...Ham wanted to keep Shro which was the best move and i think Shro would have stayed if he wasnt a FA. Rob saw what Gabe did in the playoffs though and was also a FA. Thats kind of why i dont like going off what a person does in the playoffs but whether in reg season as what you are in reg season is who you are. Shro played well in reg and in the playoffs to warrant Rob to keep him..but the past is now the past.
KCP i dont know about as noone really talked about his reg season play on this board or kept tabs on him. You only hear of him when in playoffs but if he was good Den would surely offer him something instead of letting him walk. There is always a reason a FA is let go with no pressure to come back. Even DLO might not get pressure to come back IF IF they can find a better PG in FA or Trade which i still dont see as teams will ask for the Lakers Tax as this what happened this year. So will that trade and movement of players be really worth it?
Bruce Brown is also a good backup Insurance for Vando but his contract is a little iffy. Marcus Smart is a good defender but the Grizz still will need him as insurance for Morant not just on his outside the court stuff but for his AI play which is always rush to the basket going against the Trees inside. Its exciting but it cuases alot of wear and tear on the body ie AI Wade and now Morant..they cant keep going with whichever Morant goes. Meaning if Morant is playing they can compete..but if he gets hurt..they back in the lottery. So this all to say that you going to have to give a little to get Smart because they dont have other pieces besides Bane/JJ to lean on inorder to compete.. |
U don’t think as good as a PG DLo been, him and AR kinda redundant? Can’t have both guards hunted on the defensive ends unless you’re Kyrie/Steph good (maybe Trae too but he’s so small) |
They not too redundant as you would think. a better way of looking at it is if you stagger LBJ with DLO. When LBJ sits down DLO is the playmaker and ball handler..this moves AR to be a natural scorer. It also lets DLO get AD involved also and the offense begins to run real smooth. When DLO sits..LBJ runs the offense and AR still naturally plays SG and scores but mainly catch and shoot which we really need a 3-D guy.
Many seems to think AR can be a PG but thats not a good idea. AR has handles but he not going to get everyone involved...He can do fast break assists but thats not half court offense play. He can break you down in halfcourt but he not a offense setup guy or someone thats going to get AD playing center going. He is what he is and thats a SG.
Its like saying Kobe should play PG..no he a SG. Yes Kobe got handles and can bring the ball up court. But what seperates a SG and PG is mindset..Kobe can make great passes to shaq and Kobe could make drive and kicks to Fox and fisher..BUT Kobe mindet is ALWAYS TO SCORE. When we see Kobe not scoreing but passing we would say whats wrong? He became akward and looked akwatd because he naturally wants to score not get people involved and get the offense going and sit at the three playing catch and shoot..thats PG duties. All to Say thats AR's best role is SG...he not a get a person going or get the team going and sit back at the 3 line..thats some ole Darvin experiment stuff and all it got AR was benched sitting right next to DLO on the bench.
A Good example goes back to the Celtics game..DLO had a bad shooting night but he was the one setting up the offense and AR was the SG that was scoeiing. DLO was happy just setiing up AR and team. Could you see Kobe happy just setting up another person where he having a bad shooting night? Nope..you knew at some point he going to try to score and that would be the same with AR. For a PG you happy just getting those assists and scoreing becomes 2nd.
Both guys are not defensive stalworths thats why Vando was so important..which for the 2nd round in the draft we should try to find a defensive specialist just in case Vando goes down again.
However let me ask you a questioin. How do you think things in reg and playoffs would have been if Vando was healthy majority of the season and Prince was not? |
What contract do you think Dlo deserves? |
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | governator wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | governator wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | governator wrote: | | AR/Bruce Brown or AR/DeJountae or AR/KCP is a better fit than DLo/AR, one needs to be above average defender. AR can pick up the scoring slack from DLo’s departure aka he’d be the third option |
AR is not a playmaker and cant setup the offense...he is a shooting guard
DJM can defend somewhat but if he could defend so well then ATL wouldnt have the thought of wanting to trade him. However it is said that the coach wants to keep him which means you will have to pony up picks and start with AR to get him. Trea might actually be the odd man out which means you really have no defense. Anyway another problem is that DJM has be a catch and shoot 3pt when LBJ is in the game and a actual Playmaker when LBJ comes out.
KCP...is a 3-D player but what alot of people are not saying or forgetting is before 2020 playoffs many people wanted him gone. Why? because regular season KCP would make boneheaded plays like pasing the ball to a guest in the stands. Also its never been proven that he could be a help defender as during that time we had Rhondo who didnt need help defense where AR def will as he can get hunted. |
Yeah, RP gonna both have to earn their paycheck regarding bringing DeJountae but he’s worth trading some picks (gotta keep AR tho). KCP is better now than 4 yrs ago, his defense in playoff is above average, no more obvious rookie mistakes. I think a Bruce Brown or a Marcus Smart type would do well next to AR also. Like I said this is on RP to figure out how to improve DLo the asset |
It matters how much you have to give up for DJM. When a coach kind of standing up for you it puts pressure on the GM to either keep him or betta get a good sum back for him. We had the same issue when Rob and Ham sat down to think about getting Gabe or Shro...Ham wanted to keep Shro which was the best move and i think Shro would have stayed if he wasnt a FA. Rob saw what Gabe did in the playoffs though and was also a FA. Thats kind of why i dont like going off what a person does in the playoffs but whether in reg season as what you are in reg season is who you are. Shro played well in reg and in the playoffs to warrant Rob to keep him..but the past is now the past.
KCP i dont know about as noone really talked about his reg season play on this board or kept tabs on him. You only hear of him when in playoffs but if he was good Den would surely offer him something instead of letting him walk. There is always a reason a FA is let go with no pressure to come back. Even DLO might not get pressure to come back IF IF they can find a better PG in FA or Trade which i still dont see as teams will ask for the Lakers Tax as this what happened this year. So will that trade and movement of players be really worth it?
Bruce Brown is also a good backup Insurance for Vando but his contract is a little iffy. Marcus Smart is a good defender but the Grizz still will need him as insurance for Morant not just on his outside the court stuff but for his AI play which is always rush to the basket going against the Trees inside. Its exciting but it cuases alot of wear and tear on the body ie AI Wade and now Morant..they cant keep going with whichever Morant goes. Meaning if Morant is playing they can compete..but if he gets hurt..they back in the lottery. So this all to say that you going to have to give a little to get Smart because they dont have other pieces besides Bane/JJ to lean on inorder to compete.. |
U don’t think as good as a PG DLo been, him and AR kinda redundant? Can’t have both guards hunted on the defensive ends unless you’re Kyrie/Steph good (maybe Trae too but he’s so small) |
They not too redundant as you would think. a better way of looking at it is if you stagger LBJ with DLO. When LBJ sits down DLO is the playmaker and ball handler..this moves AR to be a natural scorer. It also lets DLO get AD involved also and the offense begins to run real smooth. When DLO sits..LBJ runs the offense and AR still naturally plays SG and scores but mainly catch and shoot which we really need a 3-D guy.
Many seems to think AR can be a PG but thats not a good idea. AR has handles but he not going to get everyone involved...He can do fast break assists but thats not half court offense play. He can break you down in halfcourt but he not a offense setup guy or someone thats going to get AD playing center going. He is what he is and thats a SG.
Its like saying Kobe should play PG..no he a SG. Yes Kobe got handles and can bring the ball up court. But what seperates a SG and PG is mindset..Kobe can make great passes to shaq and Kobe could make drive and kicks to Fox and fisher..BUT Kobe mindet is ALWAYS TO SCORE. When we see Kobe not scoreing but passing we would say whats wrong? He became akward and looked akwatd because he naturally wants to score not get people involved and get the offense going and sit at the three playing catch and shoot..thats PG duties. All to Say thats AR's best role is SG...he not a get a person going or get the team going and sit back at the 3 line..thats some ole Darvin experiment stuff and all it got AR was benched sitting right next to DLO on the bench.
A Good example goes back to the Celtics game..DLO had a bad shooting night but he was the one setting up the offense and AR was the SG that was scoeiing. DLO was happy just setiing up AR and team. Could you see Kobe happy just setting up another person where he having a bad shooting night? Nope..you knew at some point he going to try to score and that would be the same with AR. For a PG you happy just getting those assists and scoreing becomes 2nd.
Both guys are not defensive stalworths thats why Vando was so important..which for the 2nd round in the draft we should try to find a defensive specialist just in case Vando goes down again.
However let me ask you a questioin. How do you think things in reg and playoffs would have been if Vando was healthy majority of the season and Prince was not? |
I think we woulda been better with Vando but might still not be enough, Reaves might be the closest one to a two way player but all 3 are pretty one dimensional
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| kfkilla wrote: | | governator wrote: | | kfkilla wrote: | | PICKnPOP wrote: | | I know this may be a crazy idea but what if Dlo just isn’t good against Denver. Do we throw the guy away because he can’t be great against one team? He had an amazing season for us the last two seasons and he’s hands down our best shooter. We should probably stop over thinking it and bring him back. As long as the contract is reasonable around 20mil he is a good signing. |
Generalization are annoying. Context matters. People hate on a player who played poorly in a losing series. If he played well then we wouldn’t have lost. Guess what ? If MPJ didn’t play poorly against the Wolves then Denver would have won. This entire trying to be smart looking at ultra high level aggregate stats over a small sample size in order to draw conclusions is just dumb. Look if we can upgrade DLo at PG then by all means. For folks who say I don’t know who we can get that’s better that’s Robs job! Or we don’t need to upgrade PG just let AR run it, that’s not worth even arguing about. That’s people just complaining for complaining sake. AR sucked at running PG we tried it. He was awful. Rob needs to find someone better because it’s his job is also stupid. There is nothing to talk about with folks who take that line. They just complain and want an upgrade and want it now. |
Do you think DLo-AR is good enough back court to compete in the playoff? Cause I think defensively they’re not good enough then as dumb as it sound, Pelinka does need to upgrade the position |
I have no idea. Before KCP started hitting big shot after big shot in 2020 and couldn’t dribble the ball to save his life I was skeptical that we could win with him. Before I saw Dwight lock down Joker and before that season started I was skeptical about him and what he had left in the tank. Before 2009, when Lamar seemingly could never hit a jump shot I didn’t know if he had what it took.
I do however think we didn’t have high motor, garbage man type of players. The grinders and try hards. We just didn’t have enough of those guys or we didn’t play them enough. That’s not necessarily a reflection on Dlo in a vacuum but it’s an overall team composition observation. Dlo has really poor fast twitch muscles. You can see it in his reaction time when he tries to go for a loose ball. AR, while he doesn’t have as glaring of a problem there, does have other physical limitations. This backcourts short comings are magnified when playing with low motor guys at other positions. This is why TP was such a huge problem. Rui was way better just because he was bigger but his motor doesn’t rev high at all either. Combine that with Bron at 39/40 and we are getting absolutely out classed athletically against an elite team like Denver.
This is why Vando worked so well with the current backcourt and Bron. His motor is elite and makes up for a lot of other guys motors. The flip side is you can’t just go all motor guys around Bron and AD cause someone had to make a shot when those guys are putting pressure at the rim. The Laker stars are not like other teams stars. We might be the ONLY team that has stars that are not primarily outside threats. If you have outside threats as your stars it makes it easier to just throw a bunch of Vando/Gafford/Lively type players out there. They don’t have to really be outside threats and it’s a bonus if they are. We on the other hand can’t. Hence it makes it hard. We have to have 1 or 2 skilled shot makers out there with Bron/AD at all times. Ideally we should be able to switch between 2 skilled and 1 skilled depending on scenario. The skill needs to come from the back court too since it’s not really realistic to ask shorter guards to go grab 10 boards unless they are named Luca. |
Maybe if we have a 2-way version of Vando, a Jerami Grant or OG then we can be good enough with DLo-AR back court? Otherwise one of the back court has to be a 2-way stud
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Does DLO get some unfair criticism? I think so. But at the same time, it's dishonest to paint him as a playoff performer. I think he is a streaker shooter, and when he's not on he tends to shell up, and isn't very useful. When he's on he can be quite useful. When he's confident he can be a big asset. But he's inconsistent, and more so in the playoffs or in big games than in your average game. It's like a mental block imo.
Putting a 30 minute cut off on performances is unrealistic because he isn't going to get 30 minutes if he's playing poorly. In the playoffs two years ago he cracked 30 minutes in all but three of the first two round series, but only one time against the Nuggets. Not because he was playing well and not getting minutes, because he was playing poorly. In the one game that he cracked 30 minutes he only had 10 points and 5 assists, he didn't crack double digits in the other three. This year he cracked it in 4 of the 5 games, despite playing poorly in 2 of the 5, and mediocre in 1. They didn't have Schroder to fall back on this season, so his minutes stayed consistent. The only time he didn't crack 30 was when he played 24 minutes and had 0 points, on 0-7 shooting with 2 assists.
In that series he had two good games, game 2 and 4. Game 5 was mediocre with 14/6. He was terrible in game 3, shot poorly in game 1. I thought overlal he played okay. Not great. Not what you would hope for, from a guy who was coming off a year where he saw his salary get halved, following a poor playoff showing. If he was ever going to show out, that was the time.
Please though, let's not pretend that he is a playoff performer. He never has been. Probably never will be. And that's the only reason that a guy who shot 41.5% from three on over 7 attempts per game will likely be available for around $20m/year. That's factored in to his salary. That's fine for what he is goign to get paid he is okay, the Lakers will likely try to move him if they resign him though, because they know he's not a #3. He's too inconsistent.
I stayed out of the playoff conversation though until now. I just want to give a season by season comparison of what he's done, in four trips. Because there are smoke and mirrors going on here to present him as something he is not.
18-19:
Regular Season: 21.1 points (43.4% fg, 36.9% 3p), 7 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals in 30.2 minutes
Playoffs: 19.4 points (35.9% fg, 32.4% 3p), 3.6 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 1.4 steals in 29.6 minutes (5 games)
Differential: -1.7 points (-7.5% fg, -4.5% 3p), -3.4 assists, -0.3 rebounds, +0.2 steals in -0.6 minutes
21-22:
Regular Season: 18.1 points (41.1% fg, 34% 3p), 7.1 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1.0 stelas in 32 minutes
Playoffs: 12 points (33.3% fg, 38.7% 3p), 6.7 assists, 2.6 rebounds, 1.5 steals in 32.7 minutes (6 games)
Differential: -6.1 points (-7.8% fg, +4.7% 3p), -0.4 assists, -0.7 rebounds, +0.5 steals in +0.7 minutes.
22-23:
Regular Season: 17.8 points (46.9% fg, 39.6% 3p), 6.2 assists, 3.0 rebounds, 1.0 steals in 32.6 minutes
Playoffs: 13.3 points (42.6% fg, 31% 3p), 4.6 assists, 2.9 rebounds, 0.7 steals in 29.6 minutes (16 games)
Differential: -4.5 points (-4.3% fg, -8.6% 3p), -1.6 assists, -0.1 rebounds, -0.3 steals, in -3 minutes
23-24:
Regular Season: 18 points (45.6% fg, 41.5% 3p), 6.3 assists, 3.1 rebounds, 0.9 steals in 32.7 minutes
Playoffs: 14.2 points (38.4% fg, 31.8% 3p), 4.2 assists, 2.8 rebounds, 0.8 steals in 37 minutes (5 games)
Differential: -3.8 points (-7.2% fg, -9.7% 3p), -2.1 assists, -0.3 rebounds, -0.1 steals in +5.3 minutes
I'm willing to say that DLO gets some unwarranted hate in some cases. He's a shooter, and a streaky one. He's going to have off nights. But it would also be dishonest for me to pretend that he doesn't have a larger amount of off nights in big games or in big moments. Over the final 44 games after his controversial benching, he cracked double digits in 40/44 games (91% of them). It happened once in 5 attempts in this years playoffs, really small sample size we can't read too much into that. But it happened 5 times in 16 games last season (31% of the time). It happened in the close out game (7 points on 3-7) in his T-Wolves season (16.7% of the games), and in 1 of the 5 games in his All Star postseason. The sad reality is that in 25% of his 32 post season performance in his career, he has scored in single digits.
So maybe just when he's off he's off. Let's track that. In those final 44 games he scored 20+ in 21 of the 44 (almost 48%). He scored 30+ 4 times (9%) and 40+ once.... In 32 career playoff games he's scored 20+ 8 times (25%), and 30+ once. He's cracked 20+ 4 times (19%) and 30+ in the playoffs once as a Laker.
Yes, shooters will sometimes not score as many points when they are off. Especially guys who struggle to create their own shot. But DLO has had as many single digit playoff performances as he has 20 point ones, and considering he entered into each of those 4 playoffs as a 17.8 point to higher scorer, that ratio shouldn't be anywhere near identical. Nor should his field goal and three point percentages drop by over 4% in the playoffs. Given his age, I think the chances of him turning that around are slim.
That doesn't mean he's a player without value though. He's still an 17-20 point scorer who can shoot 40% from three in the regular season, who can get streaky and win you some games, and can playmake reasonably well. They can't afford to lose him for nothing. I don't mind keeping him around long term, as a wildcard type player if he can be had on a $15-20m deal that isn't bad to have in your back pocket. But, if we are honestly assessing what the guy can do in the playoffs, he's not a clutch performer. He simply isn't. At this stage of his career, he probably never will be. |
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Look at how physical this game is. Look how quickly everyone rotates on defense, and how hard every basket is. Then look at all the little hustle plays players are making.
It's not a coincidence Dlo doesn't do well in the playoffs. Everything I described above is the opposite of Dlo's whole existence as a basketball player. |
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I wish DLo can get to the basket like these guards, at least Reaves can
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| akk7 wrote: | Look at how physical this game is. Look how quickly everyone rotates on defense, and how hard every basket is. Then look at all the little hustle plays players are making.
It's not a coincidence Dlo doesn't do well in the playoffs. Everything I described above is the opposite of Dlo's whole existence as a basketball player. |
He's no Derrick White. He reminds me of Harden with his lack of hustle and "I did my part" attitude.
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| I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
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| lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back.
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| kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
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| akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
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| manlisten wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | Look at how physical this game is. Look how quickly everyone rotates on defense, and how hard every basket is. Then look at all the little hustle plays players are making.
It's not a coincidence Dlo doesn't do well in the playoffs. Everything I described above is the opposite of Dlo's whole existence as a basketball player. |
He's no Derrick White. He reminds me of Harden with his lack of hustle and "I did my part" attitude. |
Hey? Why dont you get Kyrie?..where that complaining talk at? Kyrie is doing great..so we can go get him now right? |
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As much as I don't want to rely on him going forward, would it really be that bad to have him if he only has to only be the 4th or 5th best player on the team?
That's what I'm looking at right now if AR/Rui can actually get the improvements the Lakers need.
I'd MUCH rather have the Lakers make big move(s) and slide DLo to a lesser role than not make big moves at all.
The Lakers need improvements all over their supporting cast, AR included.
It's not perfect, because he does seem somewhat reliant on getting touches. But, the talent is there. I'd be good with him in a situation where his big games mean dominant wins, but the Lakers can still win with him struggling. |
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| Japago wrote: | As much as I don't want to rely on him going forward, would it really be that bad to have him if he only has to only be the 4th or 5th best player on the team?
That's what I'm looking at right now if AR/Rui can actually get the improvements the Lakers need.
I'd MUCH rather have the Lakers make big move(s) and slide DLo to a lesser role than not make big moves at all.
The Lakers need improvements all over their supporting cast, AR included.
It's not perfect, because he does seem somewhat reliant on getting touches. But, the talent is there. I'd be good with him in a situation where his big games mean dominant wins, but the Lakers can still win with him struggling. |
He we go again..smh. Rui cost you this time in playoffs..but no complaining about that right? ok....
You want the Lakers to make BIG MOVES? ok...Who you going to make trades for and what valuable assets/players you going to offer to get them? What you want to do? Start the offerf with Cam? Miss Cleo says she thinks there is going to be alot of (clicks) in Rob's phone calls to these teams...
You thinking him being here....why? Its got to be benificial on both sides...sooo? |
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akk7
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
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JustaObserver
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| akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
Thats not true..smh. HAve you seen the guys over there playing on the Spurs. All Pop actualy ask is that you try..if you do not try you will be on the bench. Everyone says DJM is some defensive stopper..ohh really? What defensive awards has he got since being with ATL..was it really him or Pop system and coaching that made him a defensive stopper?
Somewhere here @MJST has made what 3rd options are being paid..they are making 23-30mil some even mor Van Fleet anyone? Did his team make it to the play-in? You start at 23mil with 5-6 yrs..but every mil up from that you take off a year. I think more than anything he is tired of being a moving piece in trades you can offer him half the years of the contract player option so....Basically it matters how important is the question of who can you replace his production with? What will it cost you in players and draft picks to upgrade from him? |
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zambia
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| akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
The Rockets also passed on DLO last year.
I asked Keith Sweat who wants DLO, he stated “Nobody”. |
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akk7
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
Thats not true..smh. HAve you seen the guys over there playing on the Spurs. All Pop actualy ask is that you try..if you do not try you will be on the bench. Everyone says DJM is some defensive stopper..ohh really? What defensive awards has he got since being with ATL..was it really him or Pop system and coaching that made him a defensive stopper?
Somewhere here @MJST has made what 3rd options are being paid..they are making 23-30mil some even mor Van Fleet anyone? Did his team make it to the play-in? You start at 23mil with 5-6 yrs..but every mil up from that you take off a year. I think more than anything he is tired of being a moving piece in trades you can offer him half the years of the contract player option so....Basically it matters how important is the question of who can you replace his production with? What will it cost you in players and draft picks to upgrade from him? |
So what would your offer be? |
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JustaObserver
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| zambia wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
The Rockets also passed on DLO last year.
I asked Keith Sweat who wants DLO, he stated “Nobody”. |
I asked your cuz Darvin Scam has any of the Church's Chicken Basket Ball Clubs offered him a Job as a assistant coach and he said "NOOOOBODY" |
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JustaObserver
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| akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
Thats not true..smh. HAve you seen the guys over there playing on the Spurs. All Pop actualy ask is that you try..if you do not try you will be on the bench. Everyone says DJM is some defensive stopper..ohh really? What defensive awards has he got since being with ATL..was it really him or Pop system and coaching that made him a defensive stopper?
Somewhere here @MJST has made what 3rd options are being paid..they are making 23-30mil some even mor Van Fleet anyone? Did his team make it to the play-in? You start at 23mil with 5-6 yrs..but every mil up from that you take off a year. I think more than anything he is tired of being a moving piece in trades you can offer him half the years of the contract player option so....Basically it matters how important is the question of who can you replace his production with? What will it cost you in players and draft picks to upgrade from him? |
So what would your offer be? |
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zambia
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | zambia wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
The Rockets also passed on DLO last year.
I asked Keith Sweat who wants DLO, he stated “Nobody”. |
I asked your cuz Darvin Scam has any of the Church's Chicken Basket Ball Clubs offered him a Job as a assistant coach and he said "NOOOOBODY" |
Ham will collect 10 million from the Lakers to stay at home. I don’t think that’s funny. |
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JustaObserver
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| zambia wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | zambia wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
The Rockets also passed on DLO last year.
I asked Keith Sweat who wants DLO, he stated “Nobody”. |
I asked your cuz Darvin Scam has any of the Church's Chicken Basket Ball Clubs offered him a Job as a assistant coach and he said "NOOOOBODY" |
Ham will collect 10 million from the Lakers to stay at home. I don’t think that’s funny. |
Awwww you dont think its funny? Nope you right..ITS HILARIOUS!! Your poor cuz get that load of money to sit on the couch like Deng to simply stay away..dont come back...pfft |
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akk7
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
Thats not true..smh. HAve you seen the guys over there playing on the Spurs. All Pop actualy ask is that you try..if you do not try you will be on the bench. Everyone says DJM is some defensive stopper..ohh really? What defensive awards has he got since being with ATL..was it really him or Pop system and coaching that made him a defensive stopper?
Somewhere here @MJST has made what 3rd options are being paid..they are making 23-30mil some even mor Van Fleet anyone? Did his team make it to the play-in? You start at 23mil with 5-6 yrs..but every mil up from that you take off a year. I think more than anything he is tired of being a moving piece in trades you can offer him half the years of the contract player option so....Basically it matters how important is the question of who can you replace his production with? What will it cost you in players and draft picks to upgrade from him? |
So what would your offer be? |
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There's no such thing as a 6 year contract though. So you would offer Dlo 5/125? |
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JustaObserver
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| akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
Thats not true..smh. HAve you seen the guys over there playing on the Spurs. All Pop actualy ask is that you try..if you do not try you will be on the bench. Everyone says DJM is some defensive stopper..ohh really? What defensive awards has he got since being with ATL..was it really him or Pop system and coaching that made him a defensive stopper?
Somewhere here @MJST has made what 3rd options are being paid..they are making 23-30mil some even mor Van Fleet anyone? Did his team make it to the play-in? You start at 23mil with 5-6 yrs..but every mil up from that you take off a year. I think more than anything he is tired of being a moving piece in trades you can offer him half the years of the contract player option so....Basically it matters how important is the question of who can you replace his production with? What will it cost you in players and draft picks to upgrade from him? |
So what would your offer be? |
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There's no such thing as a 6 year contract though. So you would offer Dlo 5/125? |
Correct..each side has to be comfortable with the contract..DLO is prob looking for more years and a bump in pay..Rob needs a shooter/playmaker/ball handler and look for a vet to continue here when LBJ is gone..as we can see good PG dont grow on trees..Dim/JHS/Mays/Shaq Harrison/Gabe..we have collected PGs with no luck really for a replacement....
Its bettrer to get one in draft. This draft we can get a Center and get a 3-D player that can be insurance for Vando in the secound round. 2 way players like DFS the Nets asked LA for multiple draft picks which was crazy..smh. |
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zambia
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| JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | akk7 wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | lakersfan8 wrote: | | I don't think DLO is a bad player at all. He is valuable to this team as a shooter, a ball handler, a playmaker and a scoring option. But he and Reaves just don't work on this team. |
He's great until he turns into a pumpkin come playoff time. We could sell high on him next season around trade deadline and hopefully get a good haul back. |
Nobody in the league seems enamored by him at all. The only team that is a threat to the Lakers seems to be Orlando and they are being linked to basically every free agent.
So the thought that the Lakers can get a good haul for him is wishful thinking. |
Why would you think he would prefer to be used by this team? He owes them nothing...i really wouldnt mind if he took a cut and went to the spurs or wherever...so no more yapping and this team can have AR play PG..wait..Didnt we do that? How did that turn out again? |
LOL Spurs. They don't want him. Pop would have him banned from the facility after a month of dealing with him.
You are clearly very high on him. What would you offer him contract wise if you were a GM? |
Thats not true..smh. HAve you seen the guys over there playing on the Spurs. All Pop actualy ask is that you try..if you do not try you will be on the bench. Everyone says DJM is some defensive stopper..ohh really? What defensive awards has he got since being with ATL..was it really him or Pop system and coaching that made him a defensive stopper?
Somewhere here @MJST has made what 3rd options are being paid..they are making 23-30mil some even mor Van Fleet anyone? Did his team make it to the play-in? You start at 23mil with 5-6 yrs..but every mil up from that you take off a year. I think more than anything he is tired of being a moving piece in trades you can offer him half the years of the contract player option so....Basically it matters how important is the question of who can you replace his production with? What will it cost you in players and draft picks to upgrade from him? |
So what would your offer be? |
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There's no such thing as a 6 year contract though. So you would offer Dlo 5/125? |
Correct..each side has to be comfortable with the contract..DLO is prob looking for more years and a bump in pay..Rob needs a shooter/playmaker/ball handler and look for a vet to continue here when LBJ is gone..as we can see good PG dont grow on trees..Dim/JHS/Mays/Shaq Harrison/Gabe..we have collected PGs with no luck really for a replacement....
Its bettrer to get one in draft. This draft we can get a Center and get a 3-D player that can be insurance for Vando in the secound round. 2 way players like DFS the Nets asked LA for multiple draft picks which was crazy..smh. |
I would trade DLO for DFS and Cam Thomas. |
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