Everyone thinks this guy is just a trade chip, but I am very excited to see how JJ uses him. I don’t think we have seen DLo used optimally since being in the NBA. I have no idea why but he’s been pigeon holed into this pg label ever since we drafted him but this kid has some off ball chops even back at Ohio state.
We don’t view him as a movement shooter but he really is. You can run DLo off screens and he will shoot em at a high clip. He can do more then just hit spot up 3’s.
On court issues are only a fraction of the problem with DLo. When LITERALLY NO OTHER TEAM IN THE LEAGUE wants an 18/3/6 guard who shot 42% from the arc on high volume and has a team friendly contract . . .
Yea it's undeniable at this point. There's plenty of guys who shrink in the playoffs and still get paid so there has to be something more to it. It works out for the Lakers who get a solid 3rd option and connecting piece for cheap. In the playoffs you still have to figure out how to win in spite of him.
The reg season of course has been undeniably good with improvements seen in the post season too. One of the things overlooked about the post season play is that it would only be figuring out how to win in spite of him for about 1/3rd of the time. The other ~2/3rds of the games he would either lead the team in scoring, lead in assists, shoot blisteringly from 3pt range, or otherwise directly contribute to winning. It’s that bad ~1/3rd that is so frustrating that the other ~2/3rds gets completely dismissed or denied like it didn’t even happen. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone is responding right now as this is being read to refute it…in complete denial…without even looking it up.
2023 post season ~: Good-Mem/GSW 2/3rds, Bad-Den 1/3rd.
2024 post season ~: Good-NOP/Den 4games 2/3rds, Bad-Den 2games 1/3rd.
It’s the unpredictability of those bad played games that overshadow the amazing games even tho the amazing games track to be about every other game…~50% amazing games…decent games with some positive contributions again occur about 2 to 1 which is 2/3rds of the time. That productivity actual tracks favorably with other 3rd options for half the cost at ~$18m vs ~$36m.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like an upgrade for better defense and would trade some of the 3pt shooting/playmaking for it, but I recognize the value so I’d want any upgrade to actually be a definitive upgrade instead of just a dumping out of disgusted emotional feelings being in denial about the actual contributions. If I couldn’t upgrade like that then I’d upgrade other areas and roll with it. I’d actually prefer to just run it back instead of downgrading or even prefer running it back over a marginal/questionable upgrade.
I understand…I think I do lol!…that many others are so disgusted that they would rather take their chances without him regardless…and that’s ok too as a disagreement…some just see the same situation differently. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Yea I'm not with the mental gymnastics. D'lo has never been good enough in the playoffs. Almost doesn't count. If you show up against weak/injured teams and shrink against the real contenders, you had a bad playoffs. Especially after talking a big game all year. Ride him in the regular season and pray you can lean on Gabe/Max when the inevitable happens once the calendar hits April. Not the worst arrangement you could have, just wish Gabe and Max were more proven instead of TBD at this point. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
The reg season of course has been undeniably good with improvements seen in the post season too. One of the things overlooked about the post season play is that it would only be figuring out how to win in spite of him for about 1/3rd of the time. The other ~2/3rds of the games he would either lead the team in scoring, lead in assists, shoot blisteringly from 3pt range, or otherwise directly contribute to winning. It’s that bad ~1/3rd that is so frustrating that the other ~2/3rds gets completely dismissed or denied like it didn’t even happen. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone is responding right now as this is being read to refute it…in complete denial…without even looking it up.
2023 post season ~: Good-Mem/GSW 2/3rds, Bad-Den 1/3rd.
2024 post season ~: Good-NOP/Den 4games 2/3rds, Bad-Den 2games 1/3rd.
It’s the unpredictability of those bad played games that overshadow the amazing games even tho the amazing games track to be about every other game…~50% amazing games…decent games with some positive contributions again occur about 2 to 1 which is 2/3rds of the time. That productivity actual tracks favorably with other 3rd options for half the cost at ~$18m vs ~$36m.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like an upgrade for better defense and would trade some of the 3pt shooting/playmaking for it, but I recognize the value so I’d want any upgrade to actually be a definitive upgrade instead of just a dumping out of disgusted emotional feelings being in denial about the actual contributions. If I couldn’t upgrade like that then I’d upgrade other areas and roll with it. I’d actually prefer to just run it back instead of downgrading or even prefer running it back over a marginal/questionable upgrade.
Sense and actual analysis, a rarity that gets called 'mental gymnastics' and 'denial' and 'DLo has no flaws' by people that don't want to or can't think even this nuanced about things. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you still were just ok? If the goal is to win brownie points sure but there are higher expectations when you're trying to win a championship. Nobody wants to downgrade but some people are capable of being realistic and acknowledging a flawed player with limitations that have to be worked around. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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MJST wrote:
manlisten wrote:
If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple.
I mean this is something that's on NBA scout notes back in his College days and is nearly exactly the same over a Decade later.. He can be offensively amazing at times but usually shrinks against the best competition and is mostly a wild card even against weaker teams once the lights get brighter.
He wasn't just "bad" or "struggling" against Denver either he flat out was KO'd mentally to the point he couldn't even make basic passes at times while all of Denver and there Coaches were trashing him in game and even to the Media (That's pathetic any way you want to look at it when your third option is benched in a closeout game which is the most important game of the Season). It was flat out embarrassing as a fan and of course as usual he gets right back to talking a big talk for the following Season. How many times does he have to repeat this for different coaches, organizations, teammates until it's obvious this is just who he is?
If we could somehow upgrade him i'd be ecstatic as he's clearly not a player you're going to be a legitimate Contender with unless maybe he can be dropped to the 5th or so option and came off the bench as a really good role player. Sadly, the rest of the NBA knows this as well so I don't see us being able to get anything good enough back even with him on a decent salary which is his one saving grace. If we got to the third round and he just simply struggled shooting or had some problems I had confidence he could fix for the following Season then you'd be right but some really talented players simply aren't Championship level players and that's DLo to a T imo.
If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple.
I mean this is something that's on NBA scout notes back in his College days and is nearly exactly the same over a Decade later.. He can be offensively amazing at times but usually shrinks against the best competition and is mostly a wild card even against weaker teams once the lights get brighter.
He wasn't just "bad" or "struggling" against Denver either he flat out was KO'd mentally
This season he wasn't, last season yeah, he improved in his performance against Denver. Have you given up on Rui too given his performance against Denver or does he 'still have time' to you. Or do you look at that he did good last season against Denver and all-time horrible this season and see it as those things happen sometimes?
Last season DLO looked horrible against Denver, this season he only had one really horrible game instead of a bad series. Again, this you can handle from third options and EVERY THIRD OPTION IN THE LEAGUE has games like that especially when flanked by two other superstars, and they don't get nearly half the criticism that DLO does.
The people that would lose their minds at Tyler Herro being on the Lakers a few years ago don't talk about his 7, 4 or 3 point games in crucial moments in the Playoffs do they? Because they understand he's a 3rd option and has Jimmy and Bam to make up for what he doesn't do or if he has an off game, and that 3 out of 5 games is what is to be expected. DLO's the only third option expected to perform at the level of a superstar.
Only DLO is expected to play at a star level an entire series that if he has one bad game they make it negate any other good one he has.
Start seeing DLO as a 3rd star the way ya'll see Tyler Herro and it will help a lot of the perspective. Stop expecting DLO to be THE Superstar. DLo is a 3rd option on a contending/championship team and it's up to AD and LeBron to carry us home when he has an off game. Or the other role players (like Rui). Trying to put it all on DLO's shoulders while refusing to hold anyone else accountable is the problem.
Seen nothing but hope for Rui Hachimura or hopes that he can improve his defense. Not a single person bringing up that he averaged 7 points on 38% from the field against the Nuggets in a series he did fantastic in last season, and nobody is giving up on him or screaming to trade him regardless of actually getting an upgrade now are they?
Either we're going to critique everyone on the team the way we do DLO or we don't do it at all. If DLO is all but considered useless to them if he has one bad game out of 5, then they had better be ready to critique Reaves and Rui the same way. Otherwise it's just targeted favoritism at that point.
DLo's a 3rd option, one of the best ones in the league. He's not on AD or LeBron's level. Time to stop treating it as such.
What he does for the Lakers through the regular season is invaluable, and not something that can easily be replaced. Not without giving up a ton of assets which is unnecessary when we already have him for a bargain. We aren't paying him $28-$40 million which is the range people that put up his kind of numbers are getting, or even less than his numbers are getting.
What he give us in terms of shooting and passing is not something that grows on trees in the league, and ESPECIALLY not for the 19M we're paying him to get it. There' no point in trying to replace him because you'd be getting a downgrade in one of those qualities of which he is elite at and you aren't going to be replacing him someone that is elite at both. Especially not for $19M. You'd be having to get rid of 3-4 players in order to get that, which is unnecessary when he already does it at a 3rd of the price. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple.
For one, he didn't even play that well to act like he was the difference maker in those first rounds. And is the goal to make the 3rd round? I think that's what you don't want to accept. In the regular season you can go through a slump. In the playoffs you can't wet the bed and pat yourself on the back because you were OK in the last round, which is exactly what D'lo did in his exit interview. The job is not finished. But if the goal is to get a participation trophy it's perfectly fine.
There's nuance to his performance this playoffs as well. Shooting numbers in the 2nd half of every game:
Game 1: 2-9 1-4 from 3
Game 2: 2-6 1-4 from 3
Game 3: 0 point game
Game 4: 5-9 3-6 from 3 (Lakers win...coincidence? )
Game 5: 3-7 1-5 from 3
But let's give him a pass because he was OK in the 1st half of 2 games in a 5 game series. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
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If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple.
For one, he didn't even play that well to act like he was the difference maker in those first rounds.
He very much was. He's the difference maker that even got us to the Playoffs.
Unless you want to argue that the Lakers would have the exact same thing had they just kept Westbrook. Don't. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere so...idk. It's up to JJ. I mean offensively, he's been very good so I don't think JJ could get anymore out of him offensively. That's never been an issue in the regular season. We all know the reason why no team wants him, especially a championship contending team like the Lakers that need post season performers.
Inverse wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
manlisten wrote:
D'lo is fine for the regular season. I don't really want to root against him but I think I should know what to expect by now. I accept that he's not a flawless player and has been unreliable for his career in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's useless but it does mean he may have limited use on a championship team.
Well theres your catch22. Take DLO off this roster and we are not making the playoffs next year anyways. So why worry about playoffs?
DLo is worth 6 game swing? Since when is he so valuable? Well, the Wolves surely have improved without him even making it to the WCF.
Easily. He's also the main reason we won the play-in game against the pelicans with key buckets down the stretch. He led the overall +/- on the team w +16 that night
Like I've said before, put "any" player not named Westbrick in place of DLo and we would have achieved the same result if not better.
Look at 2020-2021, the season right before Westbrick with KCP as our starting guard, we made the playoff easily. The season before that without DLo or Westbrick? Championship.
You guys are giving DLo too much credit and not enough credit to the fact that Lebron and AD have been very healthy and dominating the past couple years DLo has been here.
Dlo has played well in the regular season and for more than half of his post season games for the Lakers. He has played horribly for about 1/3rd of his post season games with the Lakers. I…like most…would prefer an upgrade for better post season play, especially on defense. However…unlike many…I recognize the contributions and want to make sure it is an actual upgrade if a change is made instead of just dumping due to emotionally driven feelings of frustration. Some people mistake that stance as giving too much credit, but imo, opposing that stance appears more like not giving enough credit.
Just at least approximately try to make up for what he brings if traded. Hate him overall but recognize the pluses and compensate for them if he is dealt. It appears to me that many are in denial that there are any pluses at all.
100%!!! I really hope this is the position Lakers FO has.
Love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere so...idk. It's up to JJ. I mean offensively, he's been very good so I don't think JJ could get anymore out of him offensively. That's never been an issue in the regular season. We all know the reason why no team wants him, especially a championship contending team like the Lakers that need post season performers.
Inverse wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
manlisten wrote:
D'lo is fine for the regular season. I don't really want to root against him but I think I should know what to expect by now. I accept that he's not a flawless player and has been unreliable for his career in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's useless but it does mean he may have limited use on a championship team.
Well theres your catch22. Take DLO off this roster and we are not making the playoffs next year anyways. So why worry about playoffs?
DLo is worth 6 game swing? Since when is he so valuable? Well, the Wolves surely have improved without him even making it to the WCF.
Easily. He's also the main reason we won the play-in game against the pelicans with key buckets down the stretch. He led the overall +/- on the team w +16 that night
Like I've said before, put "any" player not named Westbrick in place of DLo and we would have achieved the same result if not better.
Look at 2020-2021, the season right before Westbrick with KCP as our starting guard, we made the playoff easily. The season before that without DLo or Westbrick? Championship.
You guys are giving DLo too much credit and not enough credit to the fact that Lebron and AD have been very healthy and dominating the past couple years DLo has been here.
Dlo has played well in the regular season and for more than half of his post season games for the Lakers. He has played horribly for about 1/3rd of his post season games with the Lakers. I…like most…would prefer an upgrade for better post season play, especially on defense. However…unlike many…I recognize the contributions and want to make sure it is an actual upgrade if a change is made instead of just dumping due to emotionally driven feelings of frustration. Some people mistake that stance as giving too much credit, but imo, opposing that stance appears more like not giving enough credit.
Just at least approximately try to make up for what he brings if traded. Hate him overall but recognize the pluses and compensate for them if he is dealt. It appears to me that many are in denial that there are any pluses at all.
100%!!! I really hope this is the position Lakers FO has.
Indeed. Opposing that stance means they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. In which case, that's a personal problem, not a basketball one.
My personal gratification is the Lakers beating the Celtics in 5 games next season and DLo still on the Lakers dropping 30 on them in the closeout game. But it always begins and ends with the Lakers winning a Championship.
I hated Karl Malone with every fiber of my being (even BEFORE I learned everything about him) because of what he said about Magic. But I still rooted for him to succeed on the Lakers because I wanted a Championship. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere so...idk. It's up to JJ. I mean offensively, he's been very good so I don't think JJ could get anymore out of him offensively. That's never been an issue in the regular season. We all know the reason why no team wants him, especially a championship contending team like the Lakers that need post season performers.
Inverse wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
manlisten wrote:
D'lo is fine for the regular season. I don't really want to root against him but I think I should know what to expect by now. I accept that he's not a flawless player and has been unreliable for his career in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's useless but it does mean he may have limited use on a championship team.
Well theres your catch22. Take DLO off this roster and we are not making the playoffs next year anyways. So why worry about playoffs?
DLo is worth 6 game swing? Since when is he so valuable? Well, the Wolves surely have improved without him even making it to the WCF.
Easily. He's also the main reason we won the play-in game against the pelicans with key buckets down the stretch. He led the overall +/- on the team w +16 that night
Like I've said before, put "any" player not named Westbrick in place of DLo and we would have achieved the same result if not better.
Look at 2020-2021, the season right before Westbrick with KCP as our starting guard, we made the playoff easily. The season before that without DLo or Westbrick? Championship.
You guys are giving DLo too much credit and not enough credit to the fact that Lebron and AD have been very healthy and dominating the past couple years DLo has been here.
Dlo has played well in the regular season and for more than half of his post season games for the Lakers. He has played horribly for about 1/3rd of his post season games with the Lakers. I…like most…would prefer an upgrade for better post season play, especially on defense. However…unlike many…I recognize the contributions and want to make sure it is an actual upgrade if a change is made instead of just dumping due to emotionally driven feelings of frustration. Some people mistake that stance as giving too much credit, but imo, opposing that stance appears more like not giving enough credit.
Just at least approximately try to make up for what he brings if traded. Hate him overall but recognize the pluses and compensate for them if he is dealt. It appears to me that many are in denial that there are any pluses at all.
100%!!! I really hope this is the position Lakers FO has.
Indeed. Opposing that stance means they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. In which case, that's a personal problem, not a basketball one.
My personal gratification is the Lakers beating the Celtics in 5 games next season and DLo still on the Lakers dropping 30 on them in the closeout game. But it always begins and ends with the Lakers winning a Championship.
I hated Karl Malone with every fiber of my being (even BEFORE I learned everything about him) because of what he said about Magic. But I still rooted for him to succeed on the Lakers because I wanted a Championship.
“…they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. …”
True words. It would be different if he had the trade value to return an upgraded replacement.
I definitely got experience rooting for players I didn’t like and Karl Malone was the main one for me too!, along with Rodman, Fox, Rondo, Bass, Kaman, and more. It’s Lakers first, always, and only for me! I didn’t even like LBJ before he came and it actually took a few weeks to get up to speed lol!
It’s strange to see JJ talking about the value of 3pt shooting with advanced metrics while remaining mum on the best 3pt shooter on the team.
My expectations have dissipated from hoping for an upgrade, I’m just hoping now that whatever is done doesn’t result in a downgrade. Same shat different year. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple.
For one, he didn't even play that well to act like he was the difference maker in those first rounds.
He very much was. He's the difference maker that even got us to the Playoffs.
Unless you want to argue that the Lakers would have the exact same thing had they just kept Westbrook. Don't.
DLO has the mentality to win titles I have said it, it’s all in his head when he struggled against the Nuggets in the WCF it was a combination of flaming out and just not being mentally engaged, there is no reason why he can’t duplicate the success of Irving in being apart of a winner, he can do it but he needs to build a stronger winning mentality
If you average 5ppg in the 3rd round why would I care what you did in the 1st or 2nd round when you were
Because you're out in the first and second round if he doesn't play well. Simple.
For one, he didn't even play that well to act like he was the difference maker in those first rounds.
He very much was. He's the difference maker that even got us to the Playoffs.
Unless you want to argue that the Lakers would have the exact same thing had they just kept Westbrook. Don't.
Weak attempt at a strawman. Who the hell said anything about Westbrook? I've said repeatedly that D'lo is fine in the regular season. You seem to think that's enough and that he deserves a gold star regardless of how trash he is in the playoffs. If he's good enough to earn your devotion, why are you so accommodating when he plays well below his potential in the playoffs. The only time the Lakers beat Denver in 9 tries is when D'lo finally stepped up and closed out a game. He's too important to this roster to be a nonfactor but some are fine with praising him for that. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
Bottom line: This guy struggles in the playoffs because the intensity levels go up and his weak athleticism gets exposed on both ends of the floor. Can’t get a clean shot off because guys are on him so he forces/rushes shots and on defense they attack him over and over again.
He can be a valuable player for a team that is trying to make the playoffs, but he is unplayable in the playoffs and the only time he will have a decent game in the playoffs is if his teammates are on a roll.
Honestly he is the perfect player to have on this team if the goal is putting fans in the seats during the regular season with some wins and then getting eliminated by a superior team in the postseason, which honestly seems like the direction the Lakers want to go considering Lebron will be 40 and likely don’t want to risk another stupid trade that can set them back a few years like the Westbrook trade.
Might as well ride out the Lebron gravy train until he retires, which then the real moves can be made.
Love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere so...idk. It's up to JJ. I mean offensively, he's been very good so I don't think JJ could get anymore out of him offensively. That's never been an issue in the regular season. We all know the reason why no team wants him, especially a championship contending team like the Lakers that need post season performers.
Inverse wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
manlisten wrote:
D'lo is fine for the regular season. I don't really want to root against him but I think I should know what to expect by now. I accept that he's not a flawless player and has been unreliable for his career in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's useless but it does mean he may have limited use on a championship team.
Well theres your catch22. Take DLO off this roster and we are not making the playoffs next year anyways. So why worry about playoffs?
DLo is worth 6 game swing? Since when is he so valuable? Well, the Wolves surely have improved without him even making it to the WCF.
Easily. He's also the main reason we won the play-in game against the pelicans with key buckets down the stretch. He led the overall +/- on the team w +16 that night
Like I've said before, put "any" player not named Westbrick in place of DLo and we would have achieved the same result if not better.
Look at 2020-2021, the season right before Westbrick with KCP as our starting guard, we made the playoff easily. The season before that without DLo or Westbrick? Championship.
You guys are giving DLo too much credit and not enough credit to the fact that Lebron and AD have been very healthy and dominating the past couple years DLo has been here.
Dlo has played well in the regular season and for more than half of his post season games for the Lakers. He has played horribly for about 1/3rd of his post season games with the Lakers. I…like most…would prefer an upgrade for better post season play, especially on defense. However…unlike many…I recognize the contributions and want to make sure it is an actual upgrade if a change is made instead of just dumping due to emotionally driven feelings of frustration. Some people mistake that stance as giving too much credit, but imo, opposing that stance appears more like not giving enough credit.
Just at least approximately try to make up for what he brings if traded. Hate him overall but recognize the pluses and compensate for them if he is dealt. It appears to me that many are in denial that there are any pluses at all.
100%!!! I really hope this is the position Lakers FO has.
Indeed. Opposing that stance means they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. In which case, that's a personal problem, not a basketball one.
My personal gratification is the Lakers beating the Celtics in 5 games next season and DLo still on the Lakers dropping 30 on them in the closeout game. But it always begins and ends with the Lakers winning a Championship.
I hated Karl Malone with every fiber of my being (even BEFORE I learned everything about him) because of what he said about Magic. But I still rooted for him to succeed on the Lakers because I wanted a Championship.
“…they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. …”
True words. It would be different if he had the trade value to return an upgraded replacement.
I definitely got experience rooting for players I didn’t like and Karl Malone was the main one for me too!, along with Rodman, Fox, Rondo, Bass, Kaman, and more. It’s Lakers first, always, and only for me! I didn’t even like LBJ before he came and it actually took a few weeks to get up to speed lol!
It’s strange to see JJ talking about the value of 3pt shooting with advanced metrics while remaining mum on the best 3pt shooter on the team.
My expectations have dissipated from hoping for an upgrade, I’m just hoping now that whatever is done doesn’t result in a downgrade. Same shat different year.
Pretty much, you'd assume an offense based off double screens, pick and rolls and pin downs is pretty much the kind DLo would thrive in. It's the Warriors offense.
I think Dlo’s still the best fit with us. We need his shooting and playmaking.
JJ is a smart guy and I think he has all the tools he needs to win a chip.
You got guys like Gabe, Vando, and Max sitting on the bench. How easy is it to stagger Austin and DLo’s minutes with players like Max and Gabe? I think that mitigates the defensive issues.
I think LeBron and AD need DLo’s shooting with them in the starting lineup and Austin is best with the ball in his hands.
Gabe/ Austin
Dlo/ Max
Rui/Kenecht
Lebron/vando
AD/Wood
Use Austin as a super sixth man like Lamar Odom or Manu Ginobli. First guy off the bench so he gets a few minutes each half with the starters, but when he comes in he takes over the ball handling duties. He still gets 30mpg but gets to cook opposing teams second units.
Gabe is small and quick enough to take on opposing teams quick point guards every night. _________________ “like I never left”
Love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere so...idk. It's up to JJ. I mean offensively, he's been very good so I don't think JJ could get anymore out of him offensively. That's never been an issue in the regular season. We all know the reason why no team wants him, especially a championship contending team like the Lakers that need post season performers.
Inverse wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
manlisten wrote:
D'lo is fine for the regular season. I don't really want to root against him but I think I should know what to expect by now. I accept that he's not a flawless player and has been unreliable for his career in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's useless but it does mean he may have limited use on a championship team.
Well theres your catch22. Take DLO off this roster and we are not making the playoffs next year anyways. So why worry about playoffs?
DLo is worth 6 game swing? Since when is he so valuable? Well, the Wolves surely have improved without him even making it to the WCF.
Easily. He's also the main reason we won the play-in game against the pelicans with key buckets down the stretch. He led the overall +/- on the team w +16 that night
Like I've said before, put "any" player not named Westbrick in place of DLo and we would have achieved the same result if not better.
Look at 2020-2021, the season right before Westbrick with KCP as our starting guard, we made the playoff easily. The season before that without DLo or Westbrick? Championship.
You guys are giving DLo too much credit and not enough credit to the fact that Lebron and AD have been very healthy and dominating the past couple years DLo has been here.
Dlo has played well in the regular season and for more than half of his post season games for the Lakers. He has played horribly for about 1/3rd of his post season games with the Lakers. I…like most…would prefer an upgrade for better post season play, especially on defense. However…unlike many…I recognize the contributions and want to make sure it is an actual upgrade if a change is made instead of just dumping due to emotionally driven feelings of frustration. Some people mistake that stance as giving too much credit, but imo, opposing that stance appears more like not giving enough credit.
Just at least approximately try to make up for what he brings if traded. Hate him overall but recognize the pluses and compensate for them if he is dealt. It appears to me that many are in denial that there are any pluses at all.
100%!!! I really hope this is the position Lakers FO has.
Indeed. Opposing that stance means they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. In which case, that's a personal problem, not a basketball one.
My personal gratification is the Lakers beating the Celtics in 5 games next season and DLo still on the Lakers dropping 30 on them in the closeout game. But it always begins and ends with the Lakers winning a Championship.
I hated Karl Malone with every fiber of my being (even BEFORE I learned everything about him) because of what he said about Magic. But I still rooted for him to succeed on the Lakers because I wanted a Championship.
“…they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. …”
True words. It would be different if he had the trade value to return an upgraded replacement.
I definitely got experience rooting for players I didn’t like and Karl Malone was the main one for me too!, along with Rodman, Fox, Rondo, Bass, Kaman, and more. It’s Lakers first, always, and only for me! I didn’t even like LBJ before he came and it actually took a few weeks to get up to speed lol!
It’s strange to see JJ talking about the value of 3pt shooting with advanced metrics while remaining mum on the best 3pt shooter on the team.
My expectations have dissipated from hoping for an upgrade, I’m just hoping now that whatever is done doesn’t result in a downgrade. Same shat different year.
Pretty much, you'd assume an offense based off double screens, pick and rolls and pin downs is pretty much the kind DLo would thrive in. It's the Warriors offense.
Love watching him shoot off screens. I really hope to see him do a lot of that in JJs offense. If JJ can use him as more of a movement shooter I think a lot of fans will see him in a different light. _________________ “like I never left”
I think Dlo’s still the best fit with us. We need his shooting and playmaking.
JJ is a smart guy and I think he has all the tools he needs to win a chip.
You got guys like Gabe, Vando, and Max sitting on the bench. How easy is it to stagger Austin and DLo’s minutes with players like Max and Gabe? I think that mitigates the defensive issues.
I think LeBron and AD need DLo’s shooting with them in the starting lineup and Austin is best with the ball in his hands.
Gabe/ Austin
Dlo/ Max
Rui/Kenecht
Lebron/vando
AD/Wood
Use Austin as a super sixth man like Lamar Odom or Manu Ginobli. First guy off the bench so he gets a few minutes each half with the starters, but when he comes in he takes over the ball handling duties. He still gets 30mpg but gets to cook opposing teams second units.
Gabe is small and quick enough to take on opposing teams quick point guards every night.
Or you just start the best player of the two which is Austin. Dlo being traded here wasn’t the e only thing that changed. Reaves also got to start and he produced. He went to the playoffs and he produced. He averaged 17 a game in the full season as a starter and he went and got you the same average yet again in these playoffs while guarding Murray. Austin is the better player and it’s not a question he’s the far more consistent playoff player who maintains his averages as he’s done it both years.
Austin starts. Dlo comes off the bench and plays what Jason Terry was in Dallas. Dlo has had multiple years showing he can’t even keep his averages in the playoffs, so he has to be the one to sit down, change his role, and show up not Reaves
Bottom line: This guy struggles in the playoffs because the intensity levels go up and his weak athleticism gets exposed on both ends of the floor. Can’t get a clean shot off because guys are on him so he forces/rushes shots and on defense they attack him over and over again.
He can be a valuable player for a team that is trying to make the playoffs, but he is unplayable in the playoffs and the only time he will have a decent game in the playoffs is if his teammates are on a roll.
Honestly he is the perfect player to have on this team if the goal is putting fans in the seats during the regular season with some wins and then getting eliminated by a superior team in the postseason, which honestly seems like the direction the Lakers want to go considering Lebron will be 40 and likely don’t want to risk another stupid trade that can set them back a few years like the Westbrook trade.
Might as well ride out the Lebron gravy train until he retires, which then the real moves can be made.
If thats the case we might as well just trade for LaVine and be done with it!
Love him or hate him, he's not going anywhere so...idk. It's up to JJ. I mean offensively, he's been very good so I don't think JJ could get anymore out of him offensively. That's never been an issue in the regular season. We all know the reason why no team wants him, especially a championship contending team like the Lakers that need post season performers.
Inverse wrote:
lakersfever714 wrote:
Inverse wrote:
manlisten wrote:
D'lo is fine for the regular season. I don't really want to root against him but I think I should know what to expect by now. I accept that he's not a flawless player and has been unreliable for his career in the playoffs. Doesn't mean he's useless but it does mean he may have limited use on a championship team.
Well theres your catch22. Take DLO off this roster and we are not making the playoffs next year anyways. So why worry about playoffs?
DLo is worth 6 game swing? Since when is he so valuable? Well, the Wolves surely have improved without him even making it to the WCF.
Easily. He's also the main reason we won the play-in game against the pelicans with key buckets down the stretch. He led the overall +/- on the team w +16 that night
Like I've said before, put "any" player not named Westbrick in place of DLo and we would have achieved the same result if not better.
Look at 2020-2021, the season right before Westbrick with KCP as our starting guard, we made the playoff easily. The season before that without DLo or Westbrick? Championship.
You guys are giving DLo too much credit and not enough credit to the fact that Lebron and AD have been very healthy and dominating the past couple years DLo has been here.
Dlo has played well in the regular season and for more than half of his post season games for the Lakers. He has played horribly for about 1/3rd of his post season games with the Lakers. I…like most…would prefer an upgrade for better post season play, especially on defense. However…unlike many…I recognize the contributions and want to make sure it is an actual upgrade if a change is made instead of just dumping due to emotionally driven feelings of frustration. Some people mistake that stance as giving too much credit, but imo, opposing that stance appears more like not giving enough credit.
Just at least approximately try to make up for what he brings if traded. Hate him overall but recognize the pluses and compensate for them if he is dealt. It appears to me that many are in denial that there are any pluses at all.
100%!!! I really hope this is the position Lakers FO has.
Indeed. Opposing that stance means they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. In which case, that's a personal problem, not a basketball one.
My personal gratification is the Lakers beating the Celtics in 5 games next season and DLo still on the Lakers dropping 30 on them in the closeout game. But it always begins and ends with the Lakers winning a Championship.
I hated Karl Malone with every fiber of my being (even BEFORE I learned everything about him) because of what he said about Magic. But I still rooted for him to succeed on the Lakers because I wanted a Championship.
“…they really don't want what's best for the Lakers, they just want the personal gratification of DLO not being on the team, regardless of how much it hurts the Lakers. …”
True words. It would be different if he had the trade value to return an upgraded replacement.
I definitely got experience rooting for players I didn’t like and Karl Malone was the main one for me too!, along with Rodman, Fox, Rondo, Bass, Kaman, and more. It’s Lakers first, always, and only for me! I didn’t even like LBJ before he came and it actually took a few weeks to get up to speed lol!
It’s strange to see JJ talking about the value of 3pt shooting with advanced metrics while remaining mum on the best 3pt shooter on the team.
My expectations have dissipated from hoping for an upgrade, I’m just hoping now that whatever is done doesn’t result in a downgrade. Same shat different year.
Pretty much, you'd assume an offense based off double screens, pick and rolls and pin downs is pretty much the kind DLo would thrive in. It's the Warriors offense.
Love watching him shoot off screens. I really hope to see him do a lot of that in JJs offense. If JJ can use him as more of a movement shooter I think a lot of fans will see him in a different light.
Yeah, 99% of the time the only time Ham ran those kinds of off double screens or pindown or warriors plays/sets for DLO was out of timeouts. It was so unutilized I thought I was dreaming whenever I saw the Lakers run it. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Finally, the last factor that’s affected each set of negotiations the Lakers have had is D’Angelo Russell’s reputation around the league.
Portland has no interest in Russell, according to sources close to that situation. League sources also say Washington is wary of pairing Russell with fellow space cadet Jordan Poole. Toronto and Brooklyn are more open to acquiring the nine-year veteran, but more for his expiring contract than for what he’d do on the court.
Russell is that rare player who is both too good to help teams tank but also not an impact player in the postseason. He’ll turn 29 in February, so he likely is who he is at this point. Add to that some questions about his impact on locker rooms and the market on the most moveable expiring contract the Lakers have at their disposal just hasn’t been great.
^ He'll be a good trade candidate at the deadline. I can't imagine the Raptors or Nets trading for Russell knowing he will mess the tank up. But a trade and then a waive/ buyout seems plausible to me.
I think a team that is trying to compete, fails (due to injuries most likely), has long term money tied up on a good player, and wants to tank is the most likely candidate for a DLO trade at the deadline. Which team that is and who will be available is hard to say.
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