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Great to see D'Lo hit the big shots he's supposed to down the stretch for Team USA.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Steph just doing what elite shooters, elite playmakers, and solid defenders do. |
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Lol yall petty
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| Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2024 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| defense wrote: | Lol yall petty
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It's entertaining if nothing else. 
| manlisten wrote: | | Great to see D'Lo hit the big shots he's supposed to down the stretch for Team USA. |
The light skinned procedure seems to have helped him tons.
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| The hope is that Dlo will spend the rest of his summer watching tape on Steph and finally learn how to be a generational talent. |
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| panamaniac wrote: | | The hope is that Dlo will spend the rest of his summer watching tape on Steph and finally learn how to be a generational talent. |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history.
The hope for DLO is that JJ Redick has spent the summer watching the Warriors offense, studying pin downs, and double screens and pick and roll actions. Because that is going to best maximize the offense and offensive around both him and Anthony Davis whom will benefit from it. The entire team will, even last year when we ran organized sets the team was very efficient and benefitted tremendously. It's common sense stuff that Ham only understood 30% of the time. The hope is that JJ is better than that.
And watching Spurs sets in the high screen and roll and high post watching how they used Tim and seeing about implementing AD into that and running the offense through him.
The hope for the betterment of the team is that JJ is watching tapes of offense that is going to best maximize them, which will make LeBron's job a lot easier. And that he doesn't waste half a season on lineups that don't make any sense.
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He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
He's made the most 3s in a season of any Laker ever. In an era that focuses on 3pt shooting.
But he is not the best shooter in Lakers history.
To say that is disrespectful to Kobe and Jerry.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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| kikanga wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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Really? Seriously? Well glad to own so much free real estate in your head. 
The best shooter the Lakers had in terms of three point shooting in their history was once Nick the Quick, and Dlo took that crown from him. You may not like it, but it is.
I'll never call DLo a better scorer than Kobe. But I'll gladly call him a better three point shooter, and you may not like it but it's true.
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panamaniac
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| MJST wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | The hope is that Dlo will spend the rest of his summer watching tape on Steph and finally learn how to be a generational talent. |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history.
The hope for DLO is that JJ Redick has spent the summer watching the Warriors offense, studying pin downs, and double screens and pick and roll actions. Because that is going to best maximize the offense and offensive around both him and Anthony Davis whom will benefit from it. The entire team will, even last year when we ran organized sets the team was very efficient and benefitted tremendously. It's common sense stuff that Ham only understood 30% of the time. The hope is that JJ is better than that.
And watching Spurs sets in the high screen and roll and high post watching how they used Tim and seeing about implementing AD into that and running the offense through him.
The hope for the betterment of the team is that JJ is watching tapes of offense that is going to best maximize them, which will make LeBron's job a lot easier. And that he doesn't waste half a season on lineups that don't make any sense. |
I was being sarcastic. The hope was to illustrate that expecting Dlo to perform like Steph is outrageous. |
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| panamaniac wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | panamaniac wrote: | | The hope is that Dlo will spend the rest of his summer watching tape on Steph and finally learn how to be a generational talent. |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history.
The hope for DLO is that JJ Redick has spent the summer watching the Warriors offense, studying pin downs, and double screens and pick and roll actions. Because that is going to best maximize the offense and offensive around both him and Anthony Davis whom will benefit from it. The entire team will, even last year when we ran organized sets the team was very efficient and benefitted tremendously. It's common sense stuff that Ham only understood 30% of the time. The hope is that JJ is better than that.
And watching Spurs sets in the high screen and roll and high post watching how they used Tim and seeing about implementing AD into that and running the offense through him.
The hope for the betterment of the team is that JJ is watching tapes of offense that is going to best maximize them, which will make LeBron's job a lot easier. And that he doesn't waste half a season on lineups that don't make any sense. |
I was being sarcastic. The hope was to illustrate that expecting Dlo to perform like Steph is outrageous. |
No one in their right mind would, because Steph is a first option on a Championship team, Dlo is a 3rd option at best on one.
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| MJST wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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Really? Seriously? Well glad to own so much free real estate in your head.
The best shooter the Lakers had in terms of three point shooting in their history was once Nick the Quick, and Dlo took that crown from him. You may not like it, but it is.
I'll never call DLo a better scorer than Kobe. But I'll gladly call him a better three point shooter, and you may not like it but it's true. |
You said SHOOTER. Kobe is the best shooter in Laker history. Russell has made the most 3's in a season. There is a difference. This cannot be compared with earlier eras anyway. The way all they do is chuck up 3's. The numbers will be inflated.
You had to double Kobe from 30 feet out even with his bad shot taking habit.
Besides, everyone knows the Great Vladimir Radmanovic is the greatest 3 point shooter in Laker history at 40%. Dlo is at 38% currently.
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Ksig
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| defense wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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Really? Seriously? Well glad to own so much free real estate in your head.
The best shooter the Lakers had in terms of three point shooting in their history was once Nick the Quick, and Dlo took that crown from him. You may not like it, but it is.
I'll never call DLo a better scorer than Kobe. But I'll gladly call him a better three point shooter, and you may not like it but it's true. |
You said SHOOTER. Kobe is the best shooter in Laker history. Russell has made the most 3's in a season. There is a difference. This cannot be compared with earlier eras anyway. The way all they do is chuck up 3's. The numbers will be inflated.
You had to double Kobe from 30 feet out even with his bad shot taking habit.
Besides, everyone knows the Great Vladimir Radmanovic is the greatest 3 point shooter in Laker history at 40%. Dlo is at 38% currently.
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| defense wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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Really? Seriously? Well glad to own so much free real estate in your head.
The best shooter the Lakers had in terms of three point shooting in their history was once Nick the Quick, and Dlo took that crown from him. You may not like it, but it is.
I'll never call DLo a better scorer than Kobe. But I'll gladly call him a better three point shooter, and you may not like it but it's true. |
You said SHOOTER. Kobe is the best shooter in Laker history.: |
Kobe was a scorer not a shooter. Nowadays when people call Steph Curry the best shooter in NBA History they are talking about it because of his prowess from the three point line and the records he's broken. It's become defined by your three point prowess/efficiency and the records you set.
People don't quadriple team Curry like they did to Kobe, but you wouldn't say that Kobe was a better shooter than Curry would you? So I'm not doing that either. Kobe on top of being in my Top 3 under Kareem and MJ is the greatest Laker of all time as a player along with being the greatest scorer in Lakers history, Nick was their best shooter as he had the record for three point shooting, which DLo has now. It's not rocket science. I really don't care how you personally define it, those are your parameters, not mine and they don't have to be the same. Stick to your parameters and I'll stick to mine.
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Watch out you bout to get a 30 page novel explaining the context you missed. |
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| I wonder how DLO feels that the majority reason he's only on this team, is because he's untradeable. |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | I wonder how DLO feels that the majority reason he's only on this team, is because he's untradeable. |
Likely doesn't care.
It's beneficial for us though, because we get to keep his production at a low price while players like Duncan Robinson and Bradley Beal are robbing their teams blind. I'm glad that isn't us.
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| MJST wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | I wonder how DLO feels that the majority reason he's only on this team, is because he's untradeable. |
Likely doesn't care.
It's beneficial for us though, because we get to keep his production at a low price while players like Duncan Robinson and Bradley Beal are robbing their teams blind. I'm glad that isn't us. |
One thing I notice about DLO... He's best 3pt shooting % seasons was with the Lakers last 1.5 seasons. Before that he did shoot 39% with Minny before he got traded. But prior to that, he was about a 36% for his career. What a find questioning, even with him improving his shooting in those 2 seasons. DLO's value has only gone down each year. Went from $30m and had to take $18m. Then he improved his shooting again this past season. But still had to opt back in his $18m contract, because no team wanted to pay him above $15m.
It is what it is tho. He's still on this team. I just hope he don't revert back to shooting sub 36% from 3, or Lakers will struggle just like they did in November last year.
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People sure sweat it out with DLO, I don't see why we have to make it such a hill to die on. DLO has been good for us, imagine...a guard wearing a Laker uniform, actually hitting outside shots! I agree with MJST, if Reddick uses him correctly, DLO will be even more valuable.
I like to look at a players progression, and last year, DLO put a lot more effort into his defense, he went from a below average defender to at least an average defender. Yeah, he hasn't been the world beater against the Nuggets but neither has Rui, AD, most of the Lakers roster.
DLO can play, has a good attitude, and we have him one more year on a reasonable deal. It really not worth getting bent over DLO, he is a reasonably good player, and we haven't gotten a lot of options to turn him into something better.
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| MJST wrote: | | defense wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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Really? Seriously? Well glad to own so much free real estate in your head.
The best shooter the Lakers had in terms of three point shooting in their history was once Nick the Quick, and Dlo took that crown from him. You may not like it, but it is.
I'll never call DLo a better scorer than Kobe. But I'll gladly call him a better three point shooter, and you may not like it but it's true. |
You said SHOOTER. Kobe is the best shooter in Laker history.: |
Kobe was a scorer not a shooter. Nowadays when people call Steph Curry the best shooter in NBA History they are talking about it because of his prowess from the three point line and the records he's broken. It's become defined by your three point prowess/efficiency and the records you set.
People don't quadriple team Curry like they did to Kobe, but you wouldn't say that Kobe was a better shooter than Curry would you? So I'm not doing that either. Kobe on top of being in my Top 3 under Kareem and MJ is the greatest Laker of all time as a player along with being the greatest scorer in Lakers history, Nick was their best shooter as he had the record for three point shooting, which DLo has now. It's not rocket science. I really don't care how you personally define it, those are your parameters, not mine and they don't have to be the same. Stick to your parameters and I'll stick to mine.
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Watch out you bout to get a 30 page novel explaining the context you missed. |
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Curry can shoot with a hand in his face off the dribble or catch and shoot. From 3pt land or not. In the playoffs or regular season.
DLO made the most 3pters for a laker in a given season. In an era where people take more 3s.
You are ignoring %s , and the playoffs, and 2pt shooting.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | MJST wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | I wonder how DLO feels that the majority reason he's only on this team, is because he's untradeable. |
Likely doesn't care.
It's beneficial for us though, because we get to keep his production at a low price while players like Duncan Robinson and Bradley Beal are robbing their teams blind. I'm glad that isn't us. |
One thing I notice about DLO... He's best 3pt shooting % seasons was with the Lakers last 1.5 seasons. Before that he did shoot 39% with Minny before he got traded. But prior to that, he was about a 36% for his career. What a find questioning, even with him improving his shooting in those 2 seasons. DLO's value has only gone down each year. Went from $30m and had to take $18m. Then he improved his shooting again this past season. But still had to opt back in his $18m contract, because no team wanted to pay him above $15m.
It is what it is tho. He's still on this team. I just hope he don't revert back to shooting sub 36% from 3, or Lakers will struggle just like they did in November last year. |
You could probably break down DLO's spotup/C&S percentage vs pullup percentage and see if those are more stable. With the Lakers he shoots a lot of catch and shoot 3s due to the gravity of other players around him.
Although when his pullup 3 is hitting then the Lakers are unstoppable, it's not reliable enough. I wonder if that explains the percentage jump.
(It's also totally possible he's tweaked his form to be more accurate.) |
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| waterman40 wrote: | People sure sweat it out with DLO, I don't see why we have to make it such a hill to die on. DLO has been good for us, imagine...a guard wearing a Laker uniform, actually hitting outside shots! I agree with MJST, if Reddick uses him correctly, DLO will be even more valuable.
I like to look at a players progression, and last year, DLO put a lot more effort into his defense, he went from a below average defender to at least an average defender. Yeah, he hasn't been the world beater against the Nuggets but neither has Rui, AD, most of the Lakers roster.
DLO can play, has a good attitude, and we have him one more year on a reasonable deal. It really not worth getting bent over DLO, he is a reasonably good player, and we haven't gotten a lot of options to turn him into something better. |
Reasonable take. Agreed on almost all points, except for the fact that AD played like a monster against Denver series. |
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Are we still doing this?
Offseason can't end soon enough |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | I wonder how DLO feels that the majority reason he's only on this team, is because he's untradeable. |
Well, he IS playing on an expiring contract and we all know how players typically are when they're playing for their next contract. Either he would thrive and prove all the doubters wrong or buckle under the pressure and disappear in infamy after the season. For the Lakers sake, I hope it's the former. The Lakers are trying really hard to win another championship and anyone who's not up to it should take a hike.
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| lakersfever714 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | I wonder how DLO feels that the majority reason he's only on this team, is because he's untradeable. |
Well, he IS playing on an expiring contract and we all know how players typically are when they're playing for their next contract. Either he would thrive and prove all the doubters wrong or buckle under the pressure and disappear in infamy after the season. For the Lakers sake, I hope it's the former. The Lakers are trying really hard to win another championship and anyone who's not up to it should take a hike. |
It's frustrating seeing DLO jokers push the same narratives they've pushed the past few years after predictably bad post seasons.
But that doesn't change things.
We need to sell high on him at the trade deadline. He'll ball out in regular season games. We need to cash out when his value is high.
If he's given the opportunity to crap the bed for us again this upcoming postseason. He will. There is no evidence to think otherwise.
I'm just speaking as a Lakers fan. I want another chip for our franchise. No player means more to me than that goal.
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| MJST wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | | MJST wrote: |
He's already the best shooter in Lakers history. |
I know you love the guy. But statements like this piss me off.
When you say stuff like that. It makes me want to pull up DLO's playoff lowlights montage and compare it against Kobe and Jerry's shooting highlights in franchise-defining playoff games.
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Really? Seriously? Well glad to own so much free real estate in your head.
The best shooter the Lakers had in terms of three point shooting in their history was once Nick the Quick, and Dlo took that crown from him. You may not like it, but it is.
I'll never call DLo a better scorer than Kobe. But I'll gladly call him a better three point shooter, and you may not like it but it's true. |
Stats pfft
Who has the ball in their hand when the game is on the line
Not the best shooter in lakers history that is for sure
Y'all trying to pump Dlo up so much we gonna hate him. I hate watching him when he shrinks like a middle school girl seeing her crush. I hate that he is an emotionally driven shooter who sucks if he isn't in his zone.
There is no room for being such an emotional player if it throws his whole game off..
And someone tell him to keep his mouthguard in his mouth
I like the guy but I am averse to people who are paid millions and refuse to step up their game and really earn their paycheck when we need it most |
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