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If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.
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Thx @TPD

https://giphy.com/gifs/mlb-baseball-derek-jeter-rMuO8CgQNEDp6

And juss saying, if the Lakers don’t mind dipping into the tax some, DLo’s base salary is just enough to swap for Myles using the sub-1st Apron 125% + 250k trade multiplier. I believe Gabe & Reaves is enough 2way playmaking help from the guard position to assist Bron in that dept. Meanwhile, who’s got AD’s back?

Didn’t Indy want 2 FRPs for dude. Considering 1 was given up for DLo and now our 2030 FRP is unlocked to deal away, and didn’t the Suns want McConnell, hey Indy get on a 3way with us and Phx to finally get you some Ayton & get some backup for Haliburton.

Nether Reeves or Gabe are 2 way playmakers. Gabe is the same player who had 3 awful game against that same Nuggets team in the Finals, friend.


Well since you brought it up, pal…you might want to check out each dude’s raptor ratings last year in the playoffs to get a better feel of their 2way capability. Reaves been that dude even during the regular season, while Gabe turned it up in the postseason. Meanwhile DLo went even frostier 🥶.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

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Would be very difficult to replace Russell with someone who is as good and at a similar cost. Lets he what he can do for a full season.

Halt all trade ideas for now.


You’re not wrong, buddy…I’ll chill out on the suggestions cause we can’t officially trade dude till Jan 15th anyways. Granted, it’s only for the regular season, but we can all play nice & get a good look at what dude provides for a few months till we send his icy ass out of sunny California 😜

Btw friends, no disrespect to either of y’all, but this whole back and forth reminded me of one of my fav scenes from South Park…

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Klay was cooking Reeves until Ham put DLO on him and Gabe is an average at best playmaker. Both are great NBA role players and hopefully will continue to be for the Lakers, friend.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:40 am    Post subject:

Klay cooked? I don’t know about that half-baked narrative. In that series, Klay uncharacteristically missed a lot of open shot attempts from 3 (ie only hit 6 out of 23 attempts when the closest defender was 4-6ft away from him).

I believe it was more of a joint effort from Reaves & DLo to make Klay work and dude simply lost his legs as a result.

@AH good break down, but my initial comments were that Gabe/Reaves gave us “enough” 2way playmaking to at least put DLo on the trade block. The metrics have it were Gabe is adequate enough on offense (his playoffs ast/TO ratio is 2.52 compared to DLo’s 2.55), but isn’t a tremendous liability on defense, like ‘Lo is (again that dRAPTOR rating speaks volumes to how atrocious ‘Lo was on that end).

I wouldn’t have made Gabe my first choice with the majority of our MLE, but here we are, so out of all our guards, I like the 2way potential of DLo the least. If he committed more to the defensive end, then I’m sure he would have earned a better bag, but that simply hasn’t been the case and he ain’t that much of a nuclear offensive option to really have us overlook his defensive inadequacies…so imho, he’s gonna be the one put up first on the trade block out of all our guards. The NTC removed from his deal all but confirms that the FO is angling to explore that possibility in January.
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If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters. And I think it's very likely you see Lebron's usage increase in the playoffs.
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gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.
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MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.


A) Russell has been and still is a terrible defender

B) You don't need to throw Reaves under the bus to defend Russell because Reaves is a better defender than Russell.
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defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.


A) Russell has been and still is a terrible defender

B) You don't need to throw Reaves under the bus to defend Russell because Reaves is a better defender than Russell.


I'm not throwing Reaves under the bus, I'm saying what happened.

When Reaves was on Klay he struggled to stay with him, Russell didn't.

That's what happened. And Russell is nowhere near a 'terrible' defender. He's not elite, but he's also not a bad defender as he was when he was initially on the team. He's improved leaps and bounds and is one of the most verbal and vocal defenders on the team which helps a ton.

It doesn't take much to see what strides he made on that end verbally and physically since leaving.


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Pretty cool that DLo cited Demarre Carroll as one of the teammates that made him who he is and now he’s going to be with the team as an assistant coach.
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defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.


A) Russell has been and still is a terrible defender

B) You don't need to throw Reaves under the bus to defend Russell because Reaves is a better defender than Russell.


I'm not throwing Reaves under the bus, I'm saying what happened.

When Reaves was on Klay he struggled to stay with him, Russell didn't.

That's what happened. And Russell is nowhere near a 'terrible' defender. He's not elite, but he's also not a bad defender as he was when he was initially on the team. He's improved leaps and bounds and is one of the most verbal and vocal defenders on the team which helps a ton.

It doesn't take much to see what strides he made on that end verbally and physically since leaving.



We disagree on Russell because I watch him half ass it way too often to consider him even a decent defender. To me he is bad. He doesn't have the agility and the mental drive needed to be a good defender.

Reaves on the other hand gives very good and consistent effort on the defensive end. He is limited like Russell physically, but never lacks effort. I would categorize Reaves as an above average defender from what I have seen.

Not going to get into the Klay thing because I think that is cherry picking. I have watched enough of Reaves and Russell to form an opinion based on more than a few minutes of basketball.
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defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.


A) Russell has been and still is a terrible defender

B) You don't need to throw Reaves under the bus to defend Russell because Reaves is a better defender than Russell.


I'm not throwing Reaves under the bus, I'm saying what happened.

When Reaves was on Klay he struggled to stay with him, Russell didn't.

That's what happened. And Russell is nowhere near a 'terrible' defender. He's not elite, but he's also not a bad defender as he was when he was initially on the team. He's improved leaps and bounds and is one of the most verbal and vocal defenders on the team which helps a ton.

It doesn't take much to see what strides he made on that end verbally and physically since leaving.



We disagree on Russell because I watch him half ass it way too often to consider him even a decent defender. To me he is bad. He doesn't have the agility and the mental drive needed to be a good defender.

Reaves on the other hand gives very good and consistent effort on the defensive end. He is limited like Russell physically, but never lacks effort. I would categorize Reaves as an above average defender from what I have seen.

Not going to get into the Klay thing because I think that is cherry picking. I have watched enough of Reaves and Russell to form an opinion based on more than a few minutes of basketball.


It wasn't a few minutes, that video goes into what Russell does on the defensive end. So your perspective is basically "it doesn't matter what the video says or shows as evidence at what he does well to my eyes and ears. I'll just stick with the eye test." Then yep we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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MJST wrote:
defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.


A) Russell has been and still is a terrible defender

B) You don't need to throw Reaves under the bus to defend Russell because Reaves is a better defender than Russell.


I'm not throwing Reaves under the bus, I'm saying what happened.

When Reaves was on Klay he struggled to stay with him, Russell didn't.

That's what happened. And Russell is nowhere near a 'terrible' defender. He's not elite, but he's also not a bad defender as he was when he was initially on the team. He's improved leaps and bounds and is one of the most verbal and vocal defenders on the team which helps a ton.

It doesn't take much to see what strides he made on that end verbally and physically since leaving.



We disagree on Russell because I watch him half ass it way too often to consider him even a decent defender. To me he is bad. He doesn't have the agility and the mental drive needed to be a good defender.

Reaves on the other hand gives very good and consistent effort on the defensive end. He is limited like Russell physically, but never lacks effort. I would categorize Reaves as an above average defender from what I have seen.

Not going to get into the Klay thing because I think that is cherry picking. I have watched enough of Reaves and Russell to form an opinion based on more than a few minutes of basketball.


It wasn't a few minutes, that video goes into what Russell does on the defensive end. So your perspective is basically "it doesn't matter what the video says or shows as evidence at what he does well to my eyes and ears. I'll just stick with the eye test." Then yep we'll just have to agree to disagree.


Not at all. I'm just not the type of poster that will post videos and such. There is plenty of video evidence to back up what I have said about Russell... years worth. Don't confuse my lack of wanting to go find the videos with there not being any evidence or what I said as having no merit. I think you already know that though.
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defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
defense wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
MJST wrote:
gng930 wrote:
If some combination of MaxC/Cam/Vando emerge as reliable 2-way players I can see DLO becoming expendable.


Not in any way. Neither of those guys could run the team as well as he does from the point guard position and Reaves is maximized as a combo guard that doesn't have full time point guard capabilities. Max C, Cam, Vando coming into their own doesn't take away what DLO brings to the team it just enhances it because it means he'll be finding more consistent players more often in the offense.


Not an unreasonable take. It will also boil down to Vincent. If the plan is to have Lebron take more of a playmaking burden during the playoffs, DLO might be more redundant and thus less useful, especially if he remains a negative on defense. The positive is that his trade restriction until 1/15 really forces them to give him a full 3-month assessment instead of jumping the gun earlier.


1) Vincent is not a better player than DLO nor a better playmaker or shooter.
2) DLO can play off ball
3) LeBron should not be getting more playmaking responsibilities, ESPECIALLY in the playoffs.

So all of those things would be very bad ideas.


Defense matters.


Yes and DLO played fine defense. Stopped a lot of potential Memphis momentum plays, and stuck to Klay like glue when Reaves couldn't.


A) Russell has been and still is a terrible defender

B) You don't need to throw Reaves under the bus to defend Russell because Reaves is a better defender than Russell.


I'm not throwing Reaves under the bus, I'm saying what happened.

When Reaves was on Klay he struggled to stay with him, Russell didn't.

That's what happened. And Russell is nowhere near a 'terrible' defender. He's not elite, but he's also not a bad defender as he was when he was initially on the team. He's improved leaps and bounds and is one of the most verbal and vocal defenders on the team which helps a ton.

It doesn't take much to see what strides he made on that end verbally and physically since leaving.



We disagree on Russell because I watch him half ass it way too often to consider him even a decent defender. To me he is bad. He doesn't have the agility and the mental drive needed to be a good defender.

Reaves on the other hand gives very good and consistent effort on the defensive end. He is limited like Russell physically, but never lacks effort. I would categorize Reaves as an above average defender from what I have seen.

Not going to get into the Klay thing because I think that is cherry picking. I have watched enough of Reaves and Russell to form an opinion based on more than a few minutes of basketball.


It wasn't a few minutes, that video goes into what Russell does on the defensive end. So your perspective is basically "it doesn't matter what the video says or shows as evidence at what he does well to my eyes and ears. I'll just stick with the eye test." Then yep we'll just have to agree to disagree.


Not at all. I'm just not the type of poster that will post videos and such. There is plenty of video evidence to back up what I have said about Russell... years worth. Don't confuse my lack of wanting to go find the videos with there not being any evidence or what I said as having no merit. I think you already know that though.


Russell is a solid team defender and maybe even a bit underrated at times but his man 2 man defense leaves a lot to be desired much of the time.. The biggest thing i've noticed with him though is that his defensive effort absolutely gets worse when he's struggling offensively which happened at times against the Warriors for sure. Overall though, I was fine with his play in that specific series.

The Denver series really opened my eyes as his effort later in the series (you can find times early in the Series as well though tbf) before finally being benched was extremely embarrassing.. It was lack of thinking, wrong angles, extreme lack of effort once beaten to the basket, not even attempting to box out after his man beats him etc. etc.. There's a reason why the Denver HC himself along with several players were clowning him publicly. He was just an absolute, pathetic mess by the end of this Series and luckily (maybe?) for us it was almost all mental mistakes but at 27 years old is that going to magically change in the Playoffs considering his very rough Career long struggles there? I sure hope so! The sample size still isn't that big but times running out.

He's got to keep it all going against even the toughest competition whether they get physical or he's going through a slump he can't just completely fall apart on the biggest stages. When that happens it's irrelevant how well he might have played against other teams imo at least especially when once again much of it was straight up lack of effort and being mentally KO'd.

His overall horrific Playoffs caused him to dramatically lower his asking price though and for the price we got him i'm all good with rolling the dice again while hoping for the best as there was no realistic better options.

Also, that video posted seemed to be pretty much all regular Season? I'm not worried about him at all before the Playoffs start.. That's actually the biggest reason I was hoping we could resign him as we'll need help to stay afloat. If he played like he did in the regular Season with the same level of consistent confidence he'd be probably making around 30 million a year.
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Pretty cool that DLo cited Demarre Carroll as one of the teammates that made him who he is and now he’s going to be with the team as an assistant coach.


Sheesh it still feels like Carroll is a "young" player. Can't believe he's 37 and coaching already.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2023 3:48 pm    Post subject:

I feel like the podcasts I've been listening to (LFR, Lakers Exceptionalism) have argued Reaves is a good chaser and blamed Klay's playing well in the first two games on Rui being a bad chaser. But honestly, while Reaves is obviously a much better defender than Russell in general, I also remember him doing a bad job on Klay and Russell doing a better job. Dunno what the reality is since that was months ago tho.
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I feel like the podcasts I've been listening to (LFR, Lakers Exceptionalism) have argued Reaves is a good chaser and blamed Klay's playing well in the first two games on Rui being a bad chaser. But honestly, while Reaves is obviously a much better defender than Russell in general, I also remember him doing a bad job on Klay and Russell doing a better job. Dunno what the reality is since that was months ago tho.


My opinion (who cares right?!?) is that tho Dlo’s defense is not great, it seems to be generally undervalued on this board in terms of the comparison to Reaves. Also, even tho Austin’s effort looks good, his defense seems to be overrated compared to Dlo’s. The reality is that they look much closer than Laker fans on the this board admit because of the love for Austin.

So stats can be misleading and eye test is important, but Dlo’s career defensive rating is several points better and even better by a point for last season, plus the eye test of the defense on Clay in the GSW playoff series seems to suggest that perhaps Austin HAS NOT been a much better defender than Dlo.

That may change going forward, Austin seems to continually improve manu facets of his game on the fly. We’ve seen his handles, 3pt shooting, pick and roll offense, passing, and defense all improve since the start of last season. With the off season, USA Basketball, training camp, and preseason we may see even more improvements. It seems like Reaves is headed for a breakout year!

Stats can be misleading, but they do show however, that Reaves has not been a better defender than Dlo so far.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:29 pm    Post subject:

Are you kidding?

Dangelo is a terrible defender. Always has been. Terrible athlete. He had PRP injections in his knees as a 19 year old. He was literally HUNTED in a playoff series and had to be benched. Who are you trying to fool here?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 1:50 pm    Post subject:

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Are you kidding?

Dangelo is a terrible defender. Always has been. Terrible athlete. He had PRP injections in his knees as a 19 year old. He was literally HUNTED in a playoff series and had to be benched. Who are you trying to fool here?


The stats compared to AR, I’m trying to fool the stats, they can be misleading.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:07 pm    Post subject:

Reaves not a better defender than DLO? Watch the games. DLOs game is all finesse, no hustle, no grit which is why he will get exposed in the playoffs again.


You will never see DLO making these kinds of plays.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:45 am    Post subject:

george w kush wrote:
Reaves not a better defender than DLO? Watch the games. DLOs game is all finesse, no hustle, no grit which is why he will get exposed in the playoffs again.


You will never see DLO making these kinds of plays.



Thats a good compilation.

1. Taking a charge
2. Strong effort to actually run through/around Picks on D
3. speed of lateral movement.

I suppose these are areas where AR is really good.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 10:29 am    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Are you kidding?

Dangelo is a terrible defender. Always has been. Terrible athlete. He had PRP injections in his knees as a 19 year old. He was literally HUNTED in a playoff series and had to be benched. Who are you trying to fool here?


The stats compared to AR, I’m trying to fool the stats, they can be misleading.


I'm not sure what to make of Drtg. It has actually been pretty dubious in the past, at one point suggesting our defense was better with AD off the floor. According to this:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612747&dir=-1&sort=DEF_RATING

DLO had more defensive impact than AD and Beasley more than TBJ and Schroeder while being comparable to KCP for instance.

There are other metrics like RAPTOR that seem to reflect the consensus better IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 4:01 pm    Post subject:

gng930 wrote:
Hanging from Rafters wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Are you kidding?

Dangelo is a terrible defender. Always has been. Terrible athlete. He had PRP injections in his knees as a 19 year old. He was literally HUNTED in a playoff series and had to be benched. Who are you trying to fool here?


The stats compared to AR, I’m trying to fool the stats, they can be misleading.


I'm not sure what to make of Drtg. It has actually been pretty dubious in the past, at one point suggesting our defense was better with AD off the floor. According to this:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612747&dir=-1&sort=DEF_RATING

DLO had more defensive impact than AD and Beasley more than TBJ and Schroeder while being comparable to KCP for instance.

There are other metrics like RAPTOR that seem to reflect the consensus better IMO.


According to defensive RAPTOR Austin Reaves is a beast defensively, better than:

Marcus Smart
KCP
Bruce Brown
Myles Turner
Jimmy Butler
Patrick Beverly
Jarred Vanderbuilt
Dennis Schroeder

and many more!!!

The point is as said…stats can be misleading…any of them.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 7:47 pm    Post subject:

I think both Reaves and D'Lo are both going to have defensive issues due to lack of lateral quickness. Reaves seems to have a little more of it and has good reflexes that make up for some of it. Both have some amount of intelligence on that end, which also helps.

But, their lack of athleticism is ultimately going to hold them back.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:23 pm    Post subject:

Japago wrote:
I think both Reaves and D'Lo are both going to have defensive issues due to lack of lateral quickness. Reaves seems to have a little more of it and has good reflexes that make up for some of it. Both have some amount of intelligence on that end, which also helps.

But, their lack of athleticism is ultimately going to hold them back.



You came into the D'lo thready to again talk down on AR. Your agenda is becoming quite clear.
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