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waterman40
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Dlo is a good player, even a very good player at times. He is not great, not an all-star. but still a very good player to have.
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PPG - 18.4 AST - 6.5 REB - 3.4
FG% - 48.1% 3PT - 39.0%
I have liked his defense, and playmaking. He may not always close the game, but he has played well so far.
The next step is getting the his threes to 40%.
He should be leading the team in 3PT%.
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1995Lakers
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | PPG - 18.4 AST - 6.5 REB - 3.4
FG% - 48.1% 3PT - 39.0%
I have liked his defense, and playmaking. He may not always close the game, but he has played well so far.
The next step is getting the his threes to 40%.
He should be leading the team in 3PT%. |
I actually dont think we have seen his peak level. I firmly believe D'Lo on our team can average 20-21 PPG on slightly over 60% TS. I said these were the numbers I wanted to see from him before the season and it still stands. Dude needs to take a little more responsibility and he will meet my high expectations of him. |
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E_Wulf420
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Is he good enough to be considered part of a 'big 3' (lbj, AD, dlo)
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Nash Vegas
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Is he good enough to be considered part of a 'big 3' (lbj, AD, dlo) |
Before the season even started, Lakers fans were penciling AR as part of the Lakers big 3 already, and if AR is currently averaging what Dlo is right now, they’d be justified.
So if you mean by big 3 like a Chris Bosh, idk, maybe, Dlo was an All-Star 3 years ago that people tend to forget.
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1995Lakers
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| E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Is he good enough to be considered part of a 'big 3' (lbj, AD, dlo) |
If D'Lo reaches the peak version of himself, I think he can cut it. Same as AR. |
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oaktown_dimond
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| Dlo provides the lakers what they need. a "big 2.5". with the savings on the other .5, they invested in all around players. too bad vando and gabe are injured right now. |
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ThreePointBomber
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | ThreePointBomber wrote: | PPG - 18.4 AST - 6.5 REB - 3.4
FG% - 48.1% 3PT - 39.0%
I have liked his defense, and playmaking. He may not always close the game, but he has played well so far.
The next step is getting the his threes to 40%.
He should be leading the team in 3PT%. |
I actually dont think we have seen his peak level. I firmly believe D'Lo on our team can average 20-21 PPG on slightly over 60% TS. I said these were the numbers I wanted to see from him before the season and it still stands. Dude needs to take a little more responsibility and he will meet my high expectations of him. |
He hits 20 PPG with 40% 3PT shooting.
I agree we haven't seen peak DLO yet.
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JJin77
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | CandyCanes wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Hes averaging 19/7 I'd keep him and try to upgrade the team using other players: Rui, Vincent, Hayes, TAP, Max, etc. Siakam would be nice to have. |
But if you were the Raptors, would you really trade Siakam for even all of them? |
Would have to add draft capital…say Rui + FRP and salary filler?
The point I think is to keep Dlo and upgrade somewhere else, whether it’s Siakim or whoever. |
As much as I have supported Dlo, I don't mind trading him for an upgrade.
However, the trade should only be in motion either for a better playmaker(ex. Irving) or for two starting level talent in other positions of needs(a defensive center/two way sg) only after acquiring a quality playmaker(ex. tyus jones?) in seperate deal. |
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| Nash Vegas wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Is he good enough to be considered part of a 'big 3' (lbj, AD, dlo) |
Before the season even started, Lakers fans were penciling AR as part of the Lakers big 3 already, and if AR is currently averaging what Dlo is right now, they’d be justified.
So if you mean by big 3 like a Chris Bosh, idk, maybe, Dlo was an All-Star 3 years ago that people tend to forget. |
First, Reaves shot a historic .687 true shooting percentage last year. And second, his defense was better than DLo's last season. So people were factoring both of those things into account when evaluating AR's potential contribution this season. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Is he good enough to be considered part of a 'big 3' (lbj, AD, dlo) |
If D'Lo reaches the peak version of himself, I think he can cut it. Same as AR. |
They are there.
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It's not just the points and assists for DLO, it's the way he instills confidence in his teammates, how he's the one talking the most or second most on the court on offense and defense, how he's the first guy to go over and congratulate guys on a great play, or tell them things will be okay on the next play. How he doesn't hang his head after a bad play or barely get back on defense, how he's always boosting his teammates and how it's his gesture they all do when they hit a three.
As far as changing the culture here from the moment he got back to the effect he has on his teammates in ADDITION to his game, he's in an invaluable player, presence and leader, for us.
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | PPG - 18.4 AST - 6.5 REB - 3.4 FG% - 48.1% 3PT% - 39.0% FT% - 80.6%
His comp:
Bucks PG
PPG - 24.8 AST - 6.2 REB - 4.2 FG% - 39.8% 3PT% - 31.6% FT% - 93.3%
Suns PG
PPG - 17.3 AST - 5.3 REB - 3.7 FG% - 39.1% 3PT% - 33.3% FT% - 68.8%
TWolves PG
PPG - 10.5 AST - 5.1 REB - 3.1 FG% - 50.0% 3PT% - 42.3% FT% - 100%
Celtics PG
PPG - 13.4 AST - 5.3 - REB - 7.6 FG% - 44.1% 3PT% - 35.1% FT% - 83.3%
Nuggets PG
PPG - 16.3 AST - 7.4 REB - 2.6 FG% - 43.3% 3PT% - 43.8% FT% - 84.2%
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JustaObserver
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| Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | It's not just the points and assists for DLO, it's the way he instills confidence in his teammates, how he's the one talking the most or second most on the court on offense and defense, how he's the first guy to go over and congratulate guys on a great play, or tell them things will be okay on the next play. How he doesn't hang his head after a bad play or barely get back on defense, how he's always boosting his teammates and how it's his gesture they all do when they hit a three.
As far as changing the culture here from the moment he got back to the effect he has on his teammates in ADDITION to his game, he's in an invaluable player, presence and leader, for us. |
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Ham Hock head make everyone look bad? You appauld by what i said? If yes...Well lets go back to what you said.. In the summer the market determined his value which by your claim he has low production and value... Well what about Lw4 and Beasely? What would you have offered them by what you seen during their regular season on this team? Hmmmm? Some hot curls and half empty Kool Aid Pack?..And not the grape color either! Any GM would have gave them next to nothing by what they saw on this tream from them
....Well how are those two doing now with a different Coach and offense?
Hams Offense?..Trash..
His Adjustments when seeing a player not succeeding? Trash..
His defense Assignments? Trash
Examples of coaching?
Rui cant even get off the bench
ANY player not named LB/AD that plays good ..going to the bench and might not get back in
He gauranteed to lose a player money in FA |
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JustaObserver
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| Halflife wrote: | | JustaObserver wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | It's not just the points and assists for DLO, it's the way he instills confidence in his teammates, how he's the one talking the most or second most on the court on offense and defense, how he's the first guy to go over and congratulate guys on a great play, or tell them things will be okay on the next play. How he doesn't hang his head after a bad play or barely get back on defense, how he's always boosting his teammates and how it's his gesture they all do when they hit a three.
As far as changing the culture here from the moment he got back to the effect he has on his teammates in ADDITION to his game, he's in an invaluable player, presence and leader, for us. |
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Ham Hock head make everyone look bad? You appauld by what i said? If yes...Well lets go back to what you said.. In the summer the market determined his value which by your claim he has low production and value... Well what about Lw4 and Beasely? What would you have offered them by what you seen during their regular season on this team? Hmmmm? Some hot curls and half empty Kool Aid Pack?..And not the grape color either! Any GM would have gave them next to nothing by what they saw on this tream from them
....Well how are those two doing now with a different Coach and offense?
Hams Offense?..Trash..
His Adjustments when seeing a player not succeeding? Trash..
His defense Assignments? Trash
Examples of coaching?
Rui cant even get off the bench
ANY player not named LB/AD that plays good ..going to the bench and might not get back in
He gauranteed to lose a player money in FA |
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Umm Thats not true..we really dont know if there was other suitors.
HOWEVER we do know Ham can lower a player's value..we got two guys Beasely and LW4 who prob could have got more money if they were played the right way.
Need Examples?
LW4 Got his STARTING JOB taken away in regular season in place of Bease who was stinking it up.
Bease was stinking it up as it looked like Ham didnt look at tape or communicate with this guy on what sets he likes or in video how to implement him into the offense. Its like a Kid playing or assembling a toy or lego car without reading the instructions..thats HAm.
Both guys in the summer looked like Vet Mins automatically.
What you think Rui would get in Free market if put out there based on his current play under Ham? Many people right now putting Rui in as a THROW in for some LaVine trade nonesense...reallly?
He lowers players' value. |
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ChefLinda
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | MJST wrote: | It's not just the points and assists for DLO, it's the way he instills confidence in his teammates, how he's the one talking the most or second most on the court on offense and defense, how he's the first guy to go over and congratulate guys on a great play, or tell them things will be okay on the next play. How he doesn't hang his head after a bad play or barely get back on defense, how he's always boosting his teammates and how it's his gesture they all do when they hit a three.
As far as changing the culture here from the moment he got back to the effect he has on his teammates in ADDITION to his game, he's in an invaluable player, presence and leader, for us. |
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Since you can't stop trolling I'm just going to delete all your posts. STAY OUT OF THIS THREAD.
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| Last I checked Dlo got 17-18M a year. Just a bit over Rui. If no one really wanted him then why didn’t we just sign him for a few bucks over the vet min? Supply and demand don’t work like that. At least I don t think they do. |
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JJin77
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | kikanga wrote: | The DLO fixation Lakers fans have is funny.
Good game, average game, bad game.
Doesn't matter. The guy generates conversation.
He's kind of a Rorschach test for most people.
I'm happy he's been playing well for us after that disappointing Denver series. He's obviously putting in the work. I hope he keeps it up the rest of the season. That way. Whether you love him or hate him. Want to keep him or trade him. He helps us get closer to another chip. |
This is fair.....I like watching D'Lo highlights more than any other current Laker player as there is something about his smooth game that is really visually appealing to me. That being said, there is a lingering doubt in my mind if he really has what it takes to be a major force for a championship team. |
That's exactly how I feel. Dlo has been so much more than what he has been given credit for so far and I will justifiably defend him up to his performance.
However, I don't believe in Dlo as your 3rd best player on championship team either. He is on great value contract which makes him a great trade asset for an upgrade. Dlo can still contribute depends on the match up, but you can't depend on Dlo as your 3rd best player/your main ball handler on the playoffs. It's not his fault either. you just got to accept his physical limitation and him as who he is at this point. It's sad, but it's our only realistic means to the championship that I can think of.
IF AR catches a second wind on defensive end and take the next step which so many laker fans and FO believe he would, then I don't mind keeping Dlo. but that's big if. I for one am not counting on it. AR is a good off guard, not a ball handler nor a playmaker. |
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JJin77
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| governator wrote: | | ThreePointBomber wrote: | PPG - 18.4 AST - 6.5 REB - 3.4 FG% - 48.1% 3PT% - 39.0% FT% - 80.6%
His comp:
Bucks PG
PPG - 24.8 AST - 6.2 REB - 4.2 FG% - 39.8% 3PT% - 31.6% FT% - 93.3%
Suns PG
PPG - 17.3 AST - 5.3 REB - 3.7 FG% - 39.1% 3PT% - 33.3% FT% - 68.8%
TWolves PG
PPG - 10.5 AST - 5.1 REB - 3.1 FG% - 50.0% 3PT% - 42.3% FT% - 100%
Celtics PG
PPG - 13.4 AST - 5.3 - REB - 7.6 FG% - 44.1% 3PT% - 35.1% FT% - 83.3%
Nuggets PG
PPG - 16.3 AST - 7.4 REB - 2.6 FG% - 43.3% 3PT% - 43.8% FT% - 84.2%
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PayasoLoco
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| defensive well coached team Dlo disappears again |
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JJin77
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 Just horrendous shooting night.
He had ok playmaking and defensive game, but his shooting was just none existence. |
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1995Lakers
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| PayasoLoco wrote: | | defensive well coached team Dlo disappears again |
Memphis was excellent defensively last year and they are the kind of (bleep) talking team early in the playoffs situation coming off a horrible game vs Minnesota that D'Lo could have struggled that whole series but he didnt. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | E_Wulf420 wrote: | | Is he good enough to be considered part of a 'big 3' (lbj, AD, dlo) |
If D'Lo reaches the peak version of himself, I think he can cut it. Same as AR. |
They are there. |
Holding out hope that AR still has some room, but I agree with D'Lo, this is it for him. |
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| I think we need DLo in if LeBron is out at all times atm, AR isn't a primary playmaker and it's getting exposed over and over again yet we keep forcing it. Our offense is non-existent when both DLo and LBJ are sitting. |
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| Day wrote: | | I think we need DLo in if LeBron is out at all times atm, AR isn't a primary playmaker and it's getting exposed over and over again yet we keep forcing it. Our offense is non-existent when both DLo and LBJ are sitting. |
DLO runs the offense fine but someone needs to exert pressure on the defense/ exploit advantages, and if his jumper isn't falling DLO isn't that guy. I would rather give AR reps to run the offense since he has more of that game |
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