ja wished he was healthy along with his bigs. they still dragged us to 6 IIRC. .
LeBron wasn't healthy that entire playoff run.
you said ja and the grizzlies. we've seen bron healthy- 1 round exit.
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Against the defending Champion Nuggets
Your point was trying to say "Well Ja wasn't healthy" neither was LeBron. The Grizzlies still finished the season going 13-5 and we weren't favored against them, they wanted us, and trashed talked us because they thought we were an easy matchup, and we ended their season waxing them by 40. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
ja wished he was healthy along with his bigs. they still dragged us to 6 IIRC. .
LeBron wasn't healthy that entire playoff run.
you said ja and the grizzlies. we've seen bron healthy- 1 round exit.
.
Against the defending Champion Nuggets
Your point was trying to say "Well Ja wasn't healthy" neither was LeBron. The Grizzlies still finished the season going 13-5 and we weren't favored against them, they wanted us, and trashed talked us because they thought we were an easy matchup, and we ended their season waxing them by 40.
they were without steven adams and their other big.
Dlo literally scored 0pts in a game for us. Was hunted by the likes of brown. Facts are, Dlo on a team = no competing for a ring. He is only here because he is unmovable.
ja wished he was healthy along with his bigs. they still dragged us to 6 IIRC. .
LeBron wasn't healthy that entire playoff run.
you said ja and the grizzlies. we've seen bron healthy- 1 round exit.
.
Against the defending Champion Nuggets
Your point was trying to say "Well Ja wasn't healthy" neither was LeBron. The Grizzlies still finished the season going 13-5 and we weren't favored against them, they wanted us, and trashed talked us because they thought we were an easy matchup, and we ended their season waxing them by 40.
they were without steven adams and their other big.
Facts are, Dlo on a team = no competing for a ring. He is only here because he is unmovable.
Who cares that the nuggs were defending champs. Wolves didn't.
1) DLo was one of the main reasons we were in Game 2, and won Game 4. Everyone of our main cast had games where they showed up that series and put us in positions to win except Rui.
2) I find it funny how in your narrative, injuries matter to you when we beat the Grizzlies, but when the Nuggets beat us when we didn't have a healthy LeBron one season and no Vando + an unhealthy Gabe the next season where we dominated 90% of all those games and lost them at the very end, they get full credit _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:19 pm Post subject:
MJST wrote:
Halflife wrote:
MJST wrote:
Halflife wrote:
MJST wrote:
Halflife wrote:
ja wished he was healthy along with his bigs. they still dragged us to 6 IIRC. .
LeBron wasn't healthy that entire playoff run.
you said ja and the grizzlies. we've seen bron healthy- 1 round exit.
.
Against the defending Champion Nuggets
Your point was trying to say "Well Ja wasn't healthy" neither was LeBron. The Grizzlies still finished the season going 13-5 and we weren't favored against them, they wanted us, and trashed talked us because they thought we were an easy matchup, and we ended their season waxing them by 40.
they were without steven adams and their other big.
Facts are, Dlo on a team = no competing for a ring. He is only here because he is unmovable.
Who cares that the nuggs were defending champs. Wolves didn't.
1) DLo was one of the main reasons we were in Game 2, and won Game 4. Everyone of our main cast had games where they showed up that series and put us in positions to win except Rui.
2) I find it funny how in your narrative, injuries matter to you when we beat the Grizzlies, but when the Nuggets beat us when we didn't have a healthy LeBron one season and no Vando + an unhealthy Gabe the next season where we dominated 90% of all those games and lost them at the very end, they get full credit
Not only did we have no vando/gabe and were winning 90%+ of that series, we also were at a severe coaching disadvantage. People are really underestimating how good we can be with decent health and better coaching. When you think about how bad our coaching was and our roster still got us to the WCF year before last and 45 wins/winning most of the Denver series last year it should be a testament to how good we can be.
the lack of wing defenders is one thing BUT I'll never complain about having a shotmaker/playmaker like this on the team lol.. he fits really well on offense with bron, Austin, and AD.. so overall it could be worse, it could be better.. but all in all, personally, I like the team we got at the moment and enjoy watching them play so until any further moves are made, (bleep) it check ball!!
ja wished he was healthy along with his bigs. they still dragged us to 6 IIRC. .
LeBron wasn't healthy that entire playoff run.
you said ja and the grizzlies. we've seen bron healthy- 1 round exit.
.
Against the defending Champion Nuggets
Your point was trying to say "Well Ja wasn't healthy" neither was LeBron. The Grizzlies still finished the season going 13-5 and we weren't favored against them, they wanted us, and trashed talked us because they thought we were an easy matchup, and we ended their season waxing them by 40.
they were without steven adams and their other big.
Facts are, Dlo on a team = no competing for a ring. He is only here because he is unmovable.
Who cares that the nuggs were defending champs. Wolves didn't.
1) DLo was one of the main reasons we were in Game 2, and won Game 4. Everyone of our main cast had games where they showed up that series and put us in positions to win except Rui.
2) I find it funny how in your narrative, injuries matter to you when we beat the Grizzlies, but when the Nuggets beat us when we didn't have a healthy LeBron one season and no Vando + an unhealthy Gabe the next season where we dominated 90% of all those games and lost them at the very end, they get full credit
You should know his schtick by now. Has a lot of talking points but in reality they’re all indirect passive aggressive Lebron stances.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 8:54 pm Post subject:
Brawn13 wrote:
You should know his schtick by now. Has a lot of talking points but in reality they’re all indirect passive aggressive Lebron stances.
I don't think it really has to do with Bron. I think he genuinely loves DLO. Arguably more than the team.
That's not to say we're guaranteed to win a chip if we trade DLO. In reality, our problems don't start and end with DLO being an average (at best) starting PG in the league.
But upgrading at DLO's position or swapping him for a player that makes us better somewhere else (more likely) could help the team get closer to another chip. _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 9:01 pm Post subject:
DLO and Rui/Vando for Trae Young. I'd take in a second.
If Knecht, Christie, or Vincent can start/perform and DLO can be swapped for a big or 3 and d guy who can slash, I'd take it in a second.
At the end of the day. Reaves has shown more stones in the playoffs, so I prefer him. I like that he can draw fouls and hit tough shots in the playoffs on broken plays. I value him more. I prefer to move DLo.
DLO has playmaking, but after seeing Bron this last Olympics. We can upgrade defensively and have Bron make up the difference. _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it.
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Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2024 11:50 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
DLO and Rui/Vando for Trae Young. I'd take in a second.
If Knecht, Christie, or Vincent can start/perform and DLO can be swapped for a big or 3 and d guy who can slash, I'd take it in a second.
At the end of the day. Reaves has shown more stones in the playoffs, so I prefer him. I like that he can draw fouls and hit tough shots in the playoffs on broken plays. I value him more. I prefer to move DLo.
DLO has playmaking, but after seeing Bron this last Olympics. We can upgrade defensively and have Bron make up the difference.
Of course we would do that. Why would the Hawks? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
DLO and Rui/Vando for Trae Young. I'd take in a second.
If Knecht, Christie, or Vincent can start/perform and DLO can be swapped for a big or 3 and d guy who can slash, I'd take it in a second.
At the end of the day. Reaves has shown more stones in the playoffs, so I prefer him. I like that he can draw fouls and hit tough shots in the playoffs on broken plays. I value him more. I prefer to move DLo.
DLO has playmaking, but after seeing Bron this last Olympics. We can upgrade defensively and have Bron make up the difference.
Of course we would do that. Why would the Hawks?
How high is Trae young’s market? _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“
DLO and Rui/Vando for Trae Young. I'd take in a second.
If Knecht, Christie, or Vincent can start/perform and DLO can be swapped for a big or 3 and d guy who can slash, I'd take it in a second.
At the end of the day. Reaves has shown more stones in the playoffs, so I prefer him. I like that he can draw fouls and hit tough shots in the playoffs on broken plays. I value him more. I prefer to move DLo.
DLO has playmaking, but after seeing Bron this last Olympics. We can upgrade defensively and have Bron make up the difference.
I wouldn't do that trading 2 rotation players for one that cost 2x dlo and is not a upgrade. He is a worse shooter and defender than dlo, not only that but adding rui or vando our best defender would just be horrible. We are already thin at SF and perimeter defenders.
DLO and Rui/Vando for Trae Young. I'd take in a second.
If Knecht, Christie, or Vincent can start/perform and DLO can be swapped for a big or 3 and d guy who can slash, I'd take it in a second.
At the end of the day. Reaves has shown more stones in the playoffs, so I prefer him. I like that he can draw fouls and hit tough shots in the playoffs on broken plays. I value him more. I prefer to move DLo.
DLO has playmaking, but after seeing Bron this last Olympics. We can upgrade defensively and have Bron make up the difference.
DLo and Rui or Vando for Trae doesn’t work. Requires another mid size salary. You could do DLo, Rui, and Vando, but Atlanta has quite a lot of 3/4 type players. You could swap Vando out for Christie, which may be more appealing to them, but without picks being involved I don’t see it. _________________ 14-5-3-12
I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something.
I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something.
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something.
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player.
Yeah, I just disagree with how some fans value him. This isn't the place for an AR argument, but I think he's nowhere near that valuable.
AR wouldn't be much more valuable that DLo if it weren't for his contract, if he even is at all.
Regular Season DLo > Regular Season AR >>> Postseason AR >>>>> Postseason DLo
Regular season DLo is the best basketball either of them plays. And with the fact that neither of them enough to be the main supporting cast on a title contender, I'm not even sure AR's better postseason play is more valuable than DLo's regular season play.
AR wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire during the postseason either. He was awful shooting from 3 and was an absolute no show for one of the games himself.
If the cap/salary matching stuff permits, I don't think the Lakers are losing out on much by trading AR instead of DLo. The Lakers need big changes, and if AR can fetch those and DLo can't, I don't see the reason to hold back on it.
I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something.
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player.
Yeah, I just disagree with how some fans value him. This isn't the place for an AR argument, but I think he's nowhere near that valuable.
AR wouldn't be much more valuable that DLo if it weren't for his contract, if he even is at all.
Regular Season DLo > Regular Season AR >>> Postseason AR >>>>> Postseason DLo
Regular season DLo is the best basketball either of them plays. And with the fact that neither of them enough to be the main supporting cast on a title contender, I'm not even sure AR's better postseason play is more valuable than DLo's regular season play.
AR wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire during the postseason either. He was awful shooting from 3 and was an absolute no show for one of the games himself.
If the cap/salary matching stuff permits, I don't think the Lakers are losing out on much by trading AR instead of DLo. The Lakers need big changes, and if AR can fetch those and DLo can't, I don't see the reason to hold back on it.
read this a lot here. reality is a PG/SG with Dlos stats should be highly coveted.No one wants him. his value is determined by market. he has had zero the last 2 years - without making AR available we don't know his value but for this team, since his name hasn't been thrown out there = reg season/post season AR > Any season DLO. Best to take emotions out of it. _________________ Kobe.
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I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something.
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player.
Yeah, I just disagree with how some fans value him. This isn't the place for an AR argument, but I think he's nowhere near that valuable.
AR wouldn't be much more valuable that DLo if it weren't for his contract, if he even is at all.
Regular Season DLo > Regular Season AR >>> Postseason AR >>>>> Postseason DLo
Regular season DLo is the best basketball either of them plays. And with the fact that neither of them enough to be the main supporting cast on a title contender, I'm not even sure AR's better postseason play is more valuable than DLo's regular season play.
AR wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire during the postseason either. He was awful shooting from 3 and was an absolute no show for one of the games himself.
If the cap/salary matching stuff permits, I don't think the Lakers are losing out on much by trading AR instead of DLo. The Lakers need big changes, and if AR can fetch those and DLo can't, I don't see the reason to hold back on it.
Austin is capable of playing solid defense. The multi-year RAPM bears that out. He sucked to start last season, but he's not a bad defender. DLo is a bad defender, and the numbers bear that out, despite him being in the league 4-5 years more than Austin. I'm of the mind that DLo is now a full MLE-level player for a non-contender. I believe Austin is a 4th best player on a title team guy. That's night and day to me.
One of them can actually get to the line and to the rim and play not-horrible defense, which means only one of them has actual playoff viability. In this increasingly austere NBA, if you don't have unwavering tentpole skills that you can lean on when your longball abandons you, you're not worth more than the MLE.
And one more thing with Austin: his teammates love him. The only player who seems to love DLo on this team is Austin.
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Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2024 12:36 pm Post subject:
Halflife wrote:
Japago wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
Japago wrote:
I don't trust DLo to have trade value at this point. All the evidence seems to point that way, when the Lakers have been trying to trade him and him opting into 1 year, $18 million coming off of a career year.
This is why I talk about trading AR a lot. And at this point, I bet DLo's next contract won't be much more than AR's.
He's a good regular season player. The Lakers shouldn't get rid of him for the scraps they'll probably have to settle for.
I honestly don't see AR as much more valuable than DLo, while he potentially has significantly more trade value. DLo's regular season was better than anything AR has done so far. AR didn't light the world on fire during the post season.
I don't love either of them, but AR might actually fetch the Lakers something.
Better to let DLO play it out and walk for nothing than to move AR, unless it brings back a game changing player.
Yeah, I just disagree with how some fans value him. This isn't the place for an AR argument, but I think he's nowhere near that valuable.
AR wouldn't be much more valuable that DLo if it weren't for his contract, if he even is at all.
Regular Season DLo > Regular Season AR >>> Postseason AR >>>>> Postseason DLo
Regular season DLo is the best basketball either of them plays. And with the fact that neither of them enough to be the main supporting cast on a title contender, I'm not even sure AR's better postseason play is more valuable than DLo's regular season play.
AR wasn't exactly lighting the world on fire during the postseason either. He was awful shooting from 3 and was an absolute no show for one of the games himself.
If the cap/salary matching stuff permits, I don't think the Lakers are losing out on much by trading AR instead of DLo. The Lakers need big changes, and if AR can fetch those and DLo can't, I don't see the reason to hold back on it.
read this a lot here. reality is a PG/SG with Dlos stats should be highly coveted.No one wants him. his value is determined by market. he has had zero the last 2 years - without making AR available we don't know his value but for this team, since his name hasn't been thrown out there = reg season/post season AR > Any season DLO. Best to take emotions out of it.
This is sort of dishonest, there hasn't been a trade available for DLO that makes us better which isn't the same as there is no interest at all and you even said what the reason is you just didn't realize it. DLO is probably the most overperforming player at his contract value in the league. For us to move him, and for us to improve, it would have to be a package deal but no team wants anything else other than AR so the package would have to be AR+DLO which we aren't willing to do unless it's for an insane return.
I am glad DLO opted in because we would have been screwed. Lets be realistic about his value. There were numerous articles about teams saying they were not interested in him. I am sure DLO had promises of huge deals if he opted out. He is very loyal to the Lakers.
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