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PICKnPOP
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Something occurred to me while watching DLo get hunted defensively…someone is gonna get hunted and the other team is gonna score one way or another. At least we know they are gonna attack him and we can prepare for it lol 😂. If they are attacking him Austin and Lebron are resting more on that end 🤷🏾♂️. As long as he’s hitting shots and making plays on the other end I can live with it.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| mhan00 wrote: | | Tonight is showing why I'm not comfortable trading Dlo and making AR the primary point. |
Because Reaves is not a point guard and benefits by having an actual point guard next to him, it makes his life easier as a combo guard. Dlo is a great compliment to him offensively, and Vando is a great compliment to him defensively.
| PICKnPOP wrote: | | Something occurred to me while watching DLo get hunted defensively…someone is gonna get hunted and the other team is gonna score one way or another. At least we know they are gonna attack him and we can prepare for it lol 😂. If they are attacking him Austin and Lebron are resting more on that end 🤷🏾♂️. As long as he’s hitting shots and making plays on the other end I can live with it. |
Agreed, but Rui needs to stop leaving DLo on an island and switching every time and leaving Dlo to guard the big in the post  Like c'mon!! LeBron does that too, which is why DLo would get switched off onto KD and it's like "the heck you expect???"
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BandwagonLBJhopper
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| He was pretty good overall IMHO against SAC, not perfect - his transition D was terrible, but he was much better |
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JeezyXVII
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Made much needed buckets tonight when Kings made their run, along with some nice passes. Best game of the season thus far. |
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TooMuchMajicBuss
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Decent game DLO. Good to see a bounce back game. 3-0 baby. That's the stat that matters most. |
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dino
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| Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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he played better tonight, no doubt...
but they were hunting him on defense, kept tryong to get him on switches on derozan late... |
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1995Lakers
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| I want to see either one (ideally both) of two things from D'Angelo, else I too want him gone at the deadline because that will mean even with a good coach like JJ, he STILL hasn't gotten it: 1. Another level in offensive output with the same efficiency as last year (20-21 PPG at 5-6 APG) OR and this is more important: 2. less offensive output or the same as last year but a real commitment to team and individual defense to the point it hurts his pride when he isn't doing well defensively - this will focus more on his intangibles and if he deep down is HUNGRY to win a chip. I need to see him be a real dog on defense or at the very least show he REALLY cares about defense. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:51 am Post subject: |
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He played a good game! And I know, they'll be many more in the future!
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6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
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What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
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gng930
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| Killer_Z wrote: | 6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
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What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
Pretty simple...to have more games like this than the other two.
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| Killer_Z wrote: | 6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
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What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
No doubt DLO played a nice game, he’s gonna have to help the team out and in the process help Pelinka by raising that trade value |
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The previous two games and his habits staying engaged in the little things was important because when he continues doing that on the games where he scores offensively it makes all around performance more complete as a whole.
It's clear JJ isn't worried about DLO's offense and expects it as we all do because he's already proven in that regard and was more focused on just having him focus primarily on all the small things, the 'Derrick white' things, even when he's having an off shooting night. Which was very smart.
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LakerFan1987
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Love that JJ pulled him in the final minute for Gabe.
No giving you rope to screw up more on defense after that blown assignment. |
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Zillethai
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | I want to see either one (ideally both) of two things from D'Angelo, else I too want him gone at the deadline because that will mean even with a good coach like JJ, he STILL hasn't gotten it: 1. Another level in offensive output with the same efficiency as last year (20-21 PPG at 5-6 APG) OR and this is more important: 2. less offensive output or the same as last year but a real commitment to team and individual defense to the point it hurts his pride when he isn't doing well defensively - this will focus more on his intangibles and if he deep down is HUNGRY to win a chip. I need to see him be a real dog on defense or at the very least show he REALLY cares about defense. |
DLO doesnt need to score 21ppg to be effective with this squad. Maybe last year he did... when everyone was just standing around. He just needs to provide a scoring boost now and again, and run the offense. And if he is getting hunted on D, you sit him down.. like last night. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Killer_Z wrote: | 6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
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What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
1 game out of 3 so far
What I want from Dlo:
1. be more consistent
2. play Defense
3. less stupid mistakes. a lot less stupid TO's.
4. don't disappear in the playoffs. 1 game in 3 ain't gonna cut it in the playoffs, and the reality is that Dlo generally goes about 1 game in 6 in the playoffs.
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LakersRGolden
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | Love that JJ pulled him in the final minute for Gabe.
No giving you rope to screw up more on defense after that blown assignment. |
They still couldn't stop the Kings.
Monk FastbBreak layup over Gabe
Sabonis layup
Fox goaltended layup
Fox loses the ball on the baseline - picked up by Gabe.
Non-event.
But as to Dlo on the team: if they're going to AD/LBJ pick and roll with Reaves and put DLo on the weak side with back responsibilities, they should cash him in for a 3 and D guard and an upgrade somewhere. |
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dcarter4kobe
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Yeah him just staying down on the ground pissed me off. Glad he was subbed out. Hopefully JJ holds all the guys to the same standards.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 28, 2024 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Killer_Z wrote: | 6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
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What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
All I want is 10+ attempts with 6-7 of them being from three.
Majority of DLOs terrible performances is where he barely shoots the ball going 1-6 or something like that.
What I truly want is for him to launch 10+ threes a game, and live with the results.
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| ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Killer_Z wrote: | 6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
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What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
All I want is 10+ attempts with 6-7 of them being from three.
Majority of DLOs terrible performances is where he barely shoots the ball going 1-6 or something like that.
What I truly want is for him to launch 10+ threes a game, and live with the results. |
I think DLO will ball out this year. All he has to do is hit open jumpers and take care of the basketball.
I think he will be an efficient starter for us.
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| A starting pg is the Championship piece, this guy is not a starting pg |
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| Another game he was pulled late for Gabe |
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| kikanga wrote: | | ThreePointBomber wrote: | | Killer_Z wrote: | 6/11 shooting
4 boards
5 assists
3/6 from 3PT land
2 steals
+17
What more do people want from the guy? He had a fantastic game. Very efficient.
Imagine if he didn’t re-sign. Who would we have as our starting PG? Gabe Vincent. Horrible. |
All I want is 10+ attempts with 6-7 of them being from three.
Majority of DLOs terrible performances is where he barely shoots the ball going 1-6 or something like that.
What I truly want is for him to launch 10+ threes a game, and live with the results. |
I think DLO will ball out this year. All he has to do is hit open jumpers and take care of the basketball.
I think he will be an efficient starter for us. |
This is the first time Dlo is being used as off ball guard to this extend.
As a rhythm shooter, it might take some time for him to get use to it.
I personally agree with this experiment bc if/when Dlo can get his groove with this low usage it will help him to find his rhythm easier in playoff games with similar role.
anyhow, is there a chance his recent erratic shooting performance might be due to his lower back soreness?? i really hope he finds his shot soon. That when we will be at our best. |
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| DLo is currently at a career low usage rate (about 17%) - well under his career average (27%) and where it was the last couple of seasons with us (23%). Notwithstanding this he is averaging more assists and less turnovers than Austin, and is doing so in fewer minutes. I do think DLo seems a bit more focused on team defensive concepts this year, but he is who he is as an individual defender. If you're going to play him 32mpg you know you're giving up some defense, so you need to get some of that back on offense. There really needs to be more of a concerted effort to get him more touches in the flow of the offense IMO. Not saying it should be at his career averages (it definitely shouldn't on this roster with this offense), but 17% usage is just too low. You're getting his negatives without enough of the positives. |
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| Atticus wrote: | | DLo is currently at a career low usage rate (about 17%) - well under his career average (27%) and where it was the last couple of seasons with us (23%). Notwithstanding this he is averaging more assists and less turnovers than Austin, and is doing so in fewer minutes. I do think DLo seems a bit more focused on team defensive concepts this year, but he is who he is as an individual defender. If you're going to play him 32mpg you know you're giving up some defense, so you need to get some of that back on offense. There really needs to be more of a concerted effort to get him more touches in the flow of the offense IMO. Not saying it should be at his career averages (it definitely shouldn't on this roster with this offense), but 17% usage is just too low. You're getting his negatives without enough of the positives. |
I think you need to split DLo and Austin for this to happen. Interestingly Austin's usage hasn't gone up this season. |
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| levon wrote: | | Atticus wrote: | | DLo is currently at a career low usage rate (about 17%) - well under his career average (27%) and where it was the last couple of seasons with us (23%). Notwithstanding this he is averaging more assists and less turnovers than Austin, and is doing so in fewer minutes. I do think DLo seems a bit more focused on team defensive concepts this year, but he is who he is as an individual defender. If you're going to play him 32mpg you know you're giving up some defense, so you need to get some of that back on offense. There really needs to be more of a concerted effort to get him more touches in the flow of the offense IMO. Not saying it should be at his career averages (it definitely shouldn't on this roster with this offense), but 17% usage is just too low. You're getting his negatives without enough of the positives. |
I think you need to split DLo and Austin for this to happen. Interestingly Austin's usage hasn't gone up this season. |
Some of that usage is going to AD (at a career high).
And I'm okay with that.
With Gabe back and Knecht being NBA ready. DLO's current, low-pressure role fits him well.
He's taking care of the basketball (AST/TO ratio). Now all he has to do is hit catch and shoot 3s.
He's at 6 3pt attempts a game. The volume is there. He just needs to start hitting them.
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