PG: Smush Parker
SG: D’Angelo Russell
SF: Nick Young
PF: Julius Randle
C: Andrew Bynum
Coach: Byron Scott
Honorable mention: Dwight (first stint), Dennis Schroeder (first stint)
Why the hate on Bynum? I loved that dude when he could play. Busted his ass to play for us during the 2010 run despite a gimpy knee. Dude also displayed tantalizing talent as a Shaq/Duncan hybrid. Plus he had a real mean streak and wasnt afraid of anything or anyone.
One of the absolute lowest moments for me as a Lakers fan was seeing him try to injure JJ Barea while we were being blown out against the Mavericks in Phil’s last game as Lakers coach. Plus all of his antics the next year under Mike Brown.
Bynum had clownish moments.....that three he took as a FU to Brown being the kicker and of course the Barea moment as well as if you remember the Michael Beasley moment doing the same thing as he did to Barea stand out. Ironically he made his only all-star game under Brown.
If NVE can get traded despite his nice offensive ability then there should be no problem trading a guy who has been below average this season, I wish him good luck
Did you actually watch NVE during the 90s?
A little bit, my point is that you can be talented and still be traded, I’m not comparing Russell to a 20 year old Kobe btw, just that good players have been traded through out history
The problem is the good defensive teams are usually the physical defensive teams - the same teams Reaves struggles against are the same types of defenses D'Lo struggles against.
Yea it's not really a scenario where the Lakers will regret trading D'lo. They may not win without him but they already knew they couldn't win with him. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
The problem is the good defensive teams are usually the physical defensive teams - the same teams Reaves struggles against are the same types of defenses D'Lo struggles against.
Yea it's not really a scenario where the Lakers will regret trading D'lo. They may not win without him but they already knew they couldn't win with him.
You're aware the Lakers would have to surpass the WCF otherwise they don't win more than they did with him.
They made the WCF with Dlo as their starting point guard getting past Memphis and Golden State to do it. If that's your definition of "not winning with him", then by that logic they'll have to do better than that now. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2024 5:34 pm Post subject:
1995Lakers wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
1995Lakers wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Most hateable Lakers First Team:
PG: Smush Parker
SG: D’Angelo Russell
SF: Nick Young
PF: Julius Randle
C: Andrew Bynum
Coach: Byron Scott
Honorable mention: Dwight (first stint), Dennis Schroeder (first stint)
Why the hate on Bynum? I loved that dude when he could play. Busted his ass to play for us during the 2010 run despite a gimpy knee. Dude also displayed tantalizing talent as a Shaq/Duncan hybrid. Plus he had a real mean streak and wasnt afraid of anything or anyone.
One of the absolute lowest moments for me as a Lakers fan was seeing him try to injure JJ Barea while we were being blown out against the Mavericks in Phil’s last game as Lakers coach. Plus all of his antics the next year under Mike Brown.
Bynum had clownish moments.....that three he took as a FU to Brown being the kicker and of course the Barea moment as well as if you remember the Michael Beasley moment doing the same thing as he did to Barea stand out. Ironically he made his only all-star game under Brown.
He did it on at least three occasions. The first time against Gerald Wallace resulted in a collapsed lung. I gave him the benefit of the doubt that time and thought it was just an accident. Then it happened again… and again.
Plus saying “closeout games are actually kind of easy” against Denver before nearly blowing the 3-1 series lead. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
The problem is the good defensive teams are usually the physical defensive teams - the same teams Reaves struggles against are the same types of defenses D'Lo struggles against.
Yea it's not really a scenario where the Lakers will regret trading D'lo. They may not win without him but they already knew they couldn't win with him.
You're aware the Lakers would have to surpass the WCF otherwise they don't win more than they did with him.
They made the WCF with Dlo as their starting point guard getting past Memphis and Golden State to do it. If that's your definition of "not winning with him", then by that logic they'll have to do better than that now.
They knew they had reached their ceiling with D'lo. Like I said, this move may not result in a championship either but they already knew it wasn't happening with D'lo so they went another direction. If the Lakers come up short again, that's not some kind of testament to the value of D'lo who also came up short. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
The problem is the good defensive teams are usually the physical defensive teams - the same teams Reaves struggles against are the same types of defenses D'Lo struggles against.
Yea it's not really a scenario where the Lakers will regret trading D'lo. They may not win without him but they already knew they couldn't win with him.
You're aware the Lakers would have to surpass the WCF otherwise they don't win more than they did with him.
They made the WCF with Dlo as their starting point guard getting past Memphis and Golden State to do it. If that's your definition of "not winning with him", then by that logic they'll have to do better than that now.
They knew they had reached their ceiling with D'lo. Like I said, this move may not result in a championship either but
No, no no. Let's not move the goalposts.
If we or you or anyone else believes this move was made because the Lakers knew they couldn't win with Dlo. If their ceiling with DLO was the Western Conference Finals, then that means the next move if it's to better the team means they think they can go beyond that, otherwise why make it?
If the ceiling is the Western Conference Finals, that means this move or following/future moves are meant to get us further, otherwise they didn't amount to more than we already had.
So don't move the goalposts, don't "It may not win us a championship but.."
If your or anyone else's stance is that these moves were made because we couldn't win with the previous, which we got to the WCF with, then that means that the future moves should be TO winning a Championship or at least making the Finals, otherwise you may as well rock with what you've got.
If you think this move was to better the team, than the team has to do better because of it. So let's keep the same energy and hope they do better.
Don't make a move to better your team that made the Western Conference Finals and then not do at least that or better. So if the team really is better off without DLo than they'll do better without Dlo, correct?
Where the Lakers are you either make moves to tank(which we can't with no first round picks) or to get better, which is what they think they're doing. And better in this case means beyond the WCF, which is now the goal they must reach.
So we'll see. Western Conference Finals or better. That's the goal then. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
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You're trying to make it something it's not. I never said it was a championship move. It's similar to how the Clippers and Warriors moved on from PG and Klay. They may not necessarily be better without them but it was clear they'd gone as far as they could and it was time to cut bait, reduce salary and acquire role players to build with. D'lo wasn't even having a good season so I don't know what the argument is. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
You're trying to make it something it's not. I never said it was a championship move. It's similar to how the Clippers and Warriors moved on from PG and Klay. They may not necessarily be better without them but it was clear they'd gone as far as they could and it was time to cut bait, reduce salary and acquire role players to build with. D'lo wasn't even having a good season so I don't know what the argument is.
My perspective is people are so strong to believe that we weren't going to get any better with what we had, when what we had made the WCF than there's two options when you make a trade.
1) You get better (this means putting a team together that goes beyond the WCF)
or
2) You tank.
Which the Lakers cannot afford to do and have no picks to take advantage of that.
Those are the only two reasons you make a trade, to get better or to intentionally get worse. That is where the Lakers are.
So, especially because so many were convinced we'd be better off, we'll get to see if that's the case now. So I would hope that now that it's happened people don't move their goalposts and suddenly become fine with not doing better than we did before, which was the WCF.
The goal for this team now is WCF or bust, and then surpassing that. That is why these moves are made, otherwise why make them? You're getting better or worse. Obviously they think this makes them better, and more moves to come may do that.
So let's keep the same energy. If the ceiling with DLo as our starting point guard was the WCF, than our goal now has to be beyond that without him.
You're trying to create this narrow window of success by saying if the Lakers don't get to the Finals or win a championship then it was wrong to trade Dlo. The reality is that the only reason to KEEP D'lo is if they felt they could hit those marks with him and obviously they didn't. This move does have the potential to improve the team to a higher level. It also may not as both outcomes are possibilities. In addition, it reduces their salary, should improve their defense and 3 point shooting, throw in a vet in Milton to contribute over Lewis, gives them a player they have more autonomy to keep under team control. Remember D'lo is an expiring contract. That alone is reason to justify moving him in addition to the perceived ceiling. If they didn't move him and he left for nothing, that would be criticized. _________________ It was reminiscent of one of those Most Interesting Man in the World advertisements: "I don't always shoot 6-for-28 from the field, but when I do, I become the youngest player in league history to score 28,000 career points."
You're trying to make it something it's not. I never said it was a championship move. It's similar to how the Clippers and Warriors moved on from PG and Klay. They may not necessarily be better without them but it was clear they'd gone as far as they could and it was time to cut bait, reduce salary and acquire role players to build with. D'lo wasn't even having a good season so I don't know what the argument is.
My perspective is people are so strong to believe that we weren't going to get any better with what we had, when what we had made the WCF than there's two options when you make a trade.
1) You get better (this means putting a team together that goes beyond the WCF)
or
2) You tank.
Which the Lakers cannot afford to do and have no picks to take advantage of that.
Those are the only two reasons you make a trade, to get better or to intentionally get worse. That is where the Lakers are.
So, especially because so many were convinced we'd be better off, we'll get to see if that's the case now. So I would hope that now that it's happened people don't move their goalposts and suddenly become fine with not doing better than we did before, which was the WCF.
The goal for this team now is WCF or bust, and then surpassing that. That is why these moves are made, otherwise why make them? You're getting better or worse. Obviously they think this makes them better, and more moves to come may do that.
So let's keep the same energy. If the ceiling with DLo as our starting point guard was the WCF, than our goal now has to be beyond that without him.
So let's see if they do that.
You are acting like the Lakers made the WCF last year. They didn't, they were eliminated in 5 in the 1st round. And DLO wasn't very good, like most of his playoff career. Lebron is 2 years older than the 2023 playoff run.
Was the DLO trade in 2023 evaluated as a failure because they didn't win the championship like they did in 2020 even though Bron/AD declined? Or was it a success because they went from not making the playoffs to the WCF?
I don't get this WCF or bust idea. Why is that a goalpost? The Celtics are in position to extend their championship lead in the next few years. Who really cares about the WCF? With this current roster it is always going to be championship or bust.
I am not saying there is necessarily a trade that wins the Lakers the championship, but I don't think they lost a championship because they traded DLO. My guess is they at least got slightly better. DLO was a contract nobody really wanted and he was heading towards free agency. DFS at least has the potential to be a tradeable asset if they can re-sign him.
You're trying to create this narrow window of success by saying if the Lakers don't get to the Finals or win a championship then it was wrong to trade Dlo. The reality is that the only reason to KEEP D'lo is if they felt they could hit those marks with him and obviously they didn't.
Then again, they made a move they felt would improve the team and get them further. So that should be the goal. Again, if WCF was as far as we got, and they are sure we could get no further(along with some fans) with him, than the goal of moving him is to get better enough to get further.
Again, this is not a hard concept, I have always said, don't make lateral moves, make moves that make you better and get you further or there's no point in making them.
The Lakers believe they are getting better with this move and get further with it. And some fans seem to believe that as well.
My perspective is, this move was made to get us better, so let's see if it does. And everyone that was convinced we'd be better off without him, let's see if we are and do better without him.
Again, if our ceiling with him was the WCF, then the trades you make are to get further than that and raise your ceiling. Now let's see if they have, or will with additional moves.
It's not specifically towards you just for the record, however I don't want all the legions of people that were screaming how better off we'd be without him to suddenly go into their shells now that WCF is the goal to get better than to see if that is truly the case. We made the WCF with him, better off without him is surpassing that. We'll see if it happens.
Again, we'll see if this was a lateral move, a move that improves the team, or makes us worse. That is why I say to everyone that has a lot to say now, We'll see. But regardless of what happens, keep the same energy. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Bro is acting like DLO is the only change from 2 years ago. Bron and AD were 2 years younger. We had Schroder and a healthy Vanderbilt, we faced a depleted Grizz team, and a declining Warriors team, and we had a different coach LOL.
Trying to equate a team from 2 years ago just so you can fanboy over DLO after this season is pathetic. Your argument relies on the assumption we make it to the WCF with DLO with THIS team and THIS coach.
Bro is acting like DLO is the only change from 2 years ago. Bron and AD were 2 years younger. We had Schroder and a healthy Vanderbilt, we faced a depleted Grizz team, and a declining Warriors team, and we had a different coach.
Ah so suddenly when the goal is to go further, there's a bunch of breakdowns about the team. It's always interesting how that becomes the discussion after the singular player that got all the blame and reason for any negative is gone. DLo's 'the problem' and then when he's gone you're asked 'okay, go further than we did with him' and its "but the whole team!" as if we have some kind of depleted roster in comparison.
Anyway, our 'ceiling' with DLo was the Western Conference Finals.
We had Schroeder, we had Vando, we had Beasley.
We have a better Christie, still have Vando, and Rui handling the three point shooting of Beasley and improved, we have Reaves playing at a higher level, we have Gabe Vincent off the bench whom was also playing well and we have AD playing at a higher level. We have Jaxson Hayes and we have Christian Wood as a bench 6th man with his scoring and rebounding once he's healthy. And we've just added 4 position big wing and forward defender DFS thats shooting 44% from three this season and Shake Milton to handle any additional bench scoring from the wing or as a 10th man.
So please don't pretend like we're some kind of depleted roster in comparison. We very much would have beaten OKC last season had Ham not ruined a third of the season and we were placed in the Top 5 as we would have been.
The only thing we don't have on this team in comparison to the last is a 2 years younger LeBron. And if he is the crux of how far we go than it would be dumb to make moves that don't make us better.
And none of this stopped anyone from laying the blame at DLo's feet like a scapegoat and puffing their chests out at any falter he made. So let's not try the "But it's about the entire team" when the goal becomes 'Okay, go further than you did with him'.
Suddenly make the goal the WCF and it's 'the team' and not just him? That's ALWAYS been the case, but it never stopped people from blaming him as if he was the thing holding us back.
Well now here's the chance to prove all that right. We've replaced him with defensive wings, and given all that responsibility to AR. So now let's see how far the Lakers go.
Like I said, no lateral moves, and I've always been fine with trading DLO if it made us better and got us further, otherwise it'd be pointless to not ride it out with what we had.
So, the goal becomes the WCF or further, we're better placed in the Playoffs thus far than either of the last two seasons, JJ seems capable, players have progressed in their development and are playing at a higher level than two season ago, when healthy we're an even deeper team. I don't want to hear any excuses about 'why we won't', when the fans picked their scapegoat.
He's gone, let's see if the team actually does better and goes further. That should be the goal. Anything else is less than that ceiling.
The move isn't made unless it's to make us better in the FO's mind, and moving DLO in many a fans mind makes us better. So let's see if it does.
And like I said, keep the same energy. You got a hundred pages of DLo being 'the problem', so let's see how far we go without him. If we at least manage the WCF then it can be considered a lateral move. If not? Then we go into the off-season with more questions than answers.
Their favorite scapegoat is gone, and like I've said to any detractor, we'll see. But keep the same energy when the results come. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
Dlo was never the problem. LeBron's ball stopping and lazy D were. When Lakers played against Denver in the playoffs last season and the season before, they were always up until LeBron decided to take over and brick all 3s in the 4th quarter.
Having said that, I do agree this trade is a win win for both Lakers and Dlo. I wish him the best.
You made a nonsensical comparison. We'll be facing completely different teams in the playoffs (if we even make it), we have a different coach, older lebron/AD, different teammates and somehow if we dont make if farther than we did 2 YEARS AGO, then you will be right and DLO is the key piece for this team
Just because you type essays doesnt make your reasoning any more logical.
Im glad DLO is gone so I dont have to read nonsense like this anymore
You made a nonsensical comparison. We'll be facing completely different teams in the playoffs (if we even make it), we have a different coach, older lebron/AD, different teammates and somehow if we dont make if farther than we did 2 YEARS AGO, then you
Yes. The goal is to make it further than we did two years ago or there's no reason to make the move.
Again, don't make it suddenly about the team if you've been someone scapegoating one player.
The team is deeper than it was two years ago, they have more defenders than they had two years ago, they have a deeper bench than two years ago, AD, Rui, AR, Christie are all playing at a higher level than two years ago and we've added DFS to the team. LeBron, is LeBron.
So right now, there's no excuses. When you pick a scapegoat as the reason why a team isn't going as far as they could, then when that scapegoat is gone, the team's goal is to go further and prove that to be true.
If people want to make it all about the team then they should have done that before they scapegoated one player.
The team made this move in attempts to make us better. Better means going further, and the farthest we went was the WCF. So the goal is to go further than that.
So now we'll see if we do. Don't now suddenly be afraid that now that the scapegoat is gone than the Lakers aren't going to improve. Goalposts.
sydneykb wrote:
Dlo was never the problem. LeBron's ball stopping and lazy D were. When Lakers played against Denver in the playoffs last season and the season before, they were always up until LeBron decided to take over and brick all 3s in the 4th quarter.
Having said that, I do agree this trade is a win win for both Lakers and Dlo. I wish him the best.
Indeed, and we will see now if we go further without him and all his responsibilities now sitting squarely on Reaves shoulders.
If they aren't done making moves they'll need a backup point guard. People may want Sexton, but Clarkson is far more realistic if they don't want to lose Reaves or Rui in the process. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
No the goal is to improve THIS YEARS team. Why are you trying to compare two completely different situations from 2 years ago?
You'd make a better argument if you were comparing this years teams record before and after this trade.
You want to praise DLO so bad you're making up terrible arguments that you have a 99% chance of being right. Nobody expects us to make it to the WCF this year.
You know what have at it. I hope you follow DLO to the Nets
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No the goal is to improve THIS YEARS team. Why are you trying to compare two completely different situations from 2 years ago?
So then your goal is just to get out of the first round. Got it.
Ksig wrote:
You'd make a better argument if you were comparing this years teams record before and after this trade
Surely if we have a better record after this trade and thus better placement in the Playoffs where we have better matchups because we don't have a Coach punting 1-3rd of the season, the WCF isn't too much to ask then is it. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
I can finally express my contempt for this loser without fear of being called troll.
Good riddance, DLO. I’ve hated you since the moment we drafted you and especially since the Nick Young incident.
Now he’s back to Brooklyn for a second stint just like he was with us. Dude just keeps getting passed around like a basketball because nobody wants him.
disliking him as a ball player makes sense, disliking him for the Nick Young incident is just lol.
I can dislike both DLO and Nick Young for the clownishness and lack of professionalism/seriousness they made us all suffer through while they were around.
DLO was 19 dude, god forbid a 19 year old not be the epitome of professionalism?
DLO had some questionable moments (like hating on Schroder, that random Ramona hit piece from last year) but by and large he seemed to be a good teammate and didn't complain about getting benched etc. Just seems like people want to hate the guy
He got caught on his own home cameras cheating on his fiancé with his baby mama multiple times after being forgiven for cheating the first time. He should be mad at himself. There a reason why some people want to champion him? Unless they're just like him I mean. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMBYm3wwxk
To no one's surprise Nick Young is the same immature clown he was 8 years ago. Hate that this organization didn't see he would be a bad influence on the youth. Definitely messed up DLo's development here. _________________ Yi Jianlian Fanboy. Respect The Chair.
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