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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:27 am    Post subject:

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USC with one of the most bizarre seasons you will ever see.

Start out 6-0 then go 1-5 the rest of the way despite not really having any season changing injuries.

Just strange, but when you allow the most points on defense in school history at 419 for an average of just under 35 per game....you aren't good.

Bloom is definitely off the rose some for Lincoln Riley and unless he brings in some defensive studs, next year could be even worse without Williams and with a murderous schedule.


Oklahoma fans are saying told you so about Riley. I thought it was just sour grapes, but they might be correct. It wouldn't shock me to see him jump to the NFL. Also wouldn't surprise me to see Zachariah Branch hit the portal.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:41 am    Post subject:

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USC with one of the most bizarre seasons you will ever see.

Start out 6-0 then go 1-5 the rest of the way despite not really having any season changing injuries.

Just strange, but when you allow the most points on defense in school history at 419 for an average of just under 35 per game....you aren't good.

Bloom is definitely off the rose some for Lincoln Riley and unless he brings in some defensive studs, next year could be even worse without Williams and with a murderous schedule.


Oklahoma fans are saying told you so about Riley. I thought it was just sour grapes, but they might be correct. It wouldn't shock me to see him jump to the NFL. Also wouldn't surprise me to see Zachariah Branch hit the portal.


While there are some of us who do still have that sour grapes taste left in our mouth, but we for the most part are glad he's gone.

LR was handed a Ferrari from Bob Stoops, and LR slowly turned us into a v6 Mustang.
He's a phenomenal offensive mind. Who will always have a punchers chance when he has generational QB at the helm. Which through his whole HC career has always had 1 of the top 2-3 QB in the nation on his team.

But it's a cultural and character thing with him that causes his teams to never be elite. He brought in a gimmicky DC who cares more about speed than he does size and assignments.
Brought in a S&C coach who all he wants to do is have the guys doing splits and CrossFit (bleep). Not actually develop strength and mental toughness.

It causes his teams to be soft and undersized. And with the fact that good defense starts with the right culture and atmosphere, and with the fact that he only cares about scoring, his teams will never have a good D.

Hell USC could hire Kirby Smart next your to be D coordinator, but SC would still suck from having poor defensive culture and small undersized guys.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:02 pm    Post subject:

Seeing how the top four will shape out going forward. While I think there are couple of things that are suspect about Washington, there’s no doubt about the metrics putting them currently at the 4 and there are legitimate arguments for them being 3 or even 2. But it’s not like there is a bias against the PAC 12.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:11 pm    Post subject:

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Seeing how the top four will shape out going forward. While I think there are couple of things that are suspect about Washington, there’s no doubt about the metrics putting them currently at the 4 and there are legitimate arguments for them being 3 or even 2. But it’s not like there is a bias against the PAC 12.


The injury to the FSU QB leaves no doubt whatsoever that Washington is going to the CFP if they win their last 2 games. One of Ohio State and Michigan has to lose, too, so Washington is probably going to move up to #3, at worst, if they remain undefeated.

Would they actually drop Georgia all the way out of it entirely if they lost to Alabama? My guess is that they wouldn't, but here's my question: what happens if Washington and FSU remain undefeated, and the Ohio State/Michigan winner wins the Big 10 title game and remains undefeated? Wouldn't it be impossible to have Alabama below Georgia, at that point? So wouldn't Georgia be out in that scenario? Or maybe the committee would still put Georgia ahead of an undefeated FSU without Jordan Travis? Different question, let's say Georgia beats Alabama but FSU and Washington remain undefeated: could the committee take the Ohio State/Michigan loser instead of FSU?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:30 am    Post subject:

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Seeing how the top four will shape out going forward. While I think there are couple of things that are suspect about Washington, there’s no doubt about the metrics putting them currently at the 4 and there are legitimate arguments for them being 3 or even 2. But it’s not like there is a bias against the PAC 12.


The injury to the FSU QB leaves no doubt whatsoever that Washington is going to the CFP if they win their last 2 games. One of Ohio State and Michigan has to lose, too, so Washington is probably going to move up to #3, at worst, if they remain undefeated.

Would they actually drop Georgia all the way out of it entirely if they lost to Alabama? My guess is that they wouldn't, but here's my question: what happens if Washington and FSU remain undefeated, and the Ohio State/Michigan winner wins the Big 10 title game and remains undefeated? Wouldn't it be impossible to have Alabama below Georgia, at that point? So wouldn't Georgia be out in that scenario? Or maybe the committee would still put Georgia ahead of an undefeated FSU without Jordan Travis? Different question, let's say Georgia beats Alabama but FSU and Washington remain undefeated: could the committee take the Ohio State/Michigan loser instead of FSU?


In either scenario, I think you have to have the 4 undefeated teams as your BCS pool (not "have" as in required, just should), regardless of the injury, if FSU does win out. It wouldn't seem right to assume FSU is a lesser team without Travis if the manage to win out without him.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:40 pm    Post subject:

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Seeing how the top four will shape out going forward. While I think there are couple of things that are suspect about Washington, there’s no doubt about the metrics putting them currently at the 4 and there are legitimate arguments for them being 3 or even 2. But it’s not like there is a bias against the PAC 12.


The injury to the FSU QB leaves no doubt whatsoever that Washington is going to the CFP if they win their last 2 games. One of Ohio State and Michigan has to lose, too, so Washington is probably going to move up to #3, at worst, if they remain undefeated.

Would they actually drop Georgia all the way out of it entirely if they lost to Alabama? My guess is that they wouldn't, but here's my question: what happens if Washington and FSU remain undefeated, and the Ohio State/Michigan winner wins the Big 10 title game and remains undefeated? Wouldn't it be impossible to have Alabama below Georgia, at that point? So wouldn't Georgia be out in that scenario? Or maybe the committee would still put Georgia ahead of an undefeated FSU without Jordan Travis? Different question, let's say Georgia beats Alabama but FSU and Washington remain undefeated: could the committee take the Ohio State/Michigan loser instead of FSU?


In either scenario, I think you have to have the 4 undefeated teams as your BCS pool (not "have" as in required, just should), regardless of the injury, if FSU does win out. It wouldn't seem right to assume FSU is a lesser team without Travis if the manage to win out without him.


Perhaps you are right, but I've heard them say over the years that their goal is to take the 4 best teams. Let's say that Alabama does squeak past Georgia, and FSU wins the ACC title and stays undefeated. (The ACC sucks, by the way.) How many points would Georgia be favored by over FSU on a neutral field without Jordan Travis? Seven? Ten? I think that stuff can come into play. Now, if it's a healthy Travis, I don't think it does. But without him, I think there may be a sense that FSU is a sacrificial lamb in the CFP, and with as many blowout games as there have been in the CFP, they may not want that. We'll see what happens and how it all plays out.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:08 pm    Post subject:

ChickenStu wrote:
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Seeing how the top four will shape out going forward. While I think there are couple of things that are suspect about Washington, there’s no doubt about the metrics putting them currently at the 4 and there are legitimate arguments for them being 3 or even 2. But it’s not like there is a bias against the PAC 12.


The injury to the FSU QB leaves no doubt whatsoever that Washington is going to the CFP if they win their last 2 games. One of Ohio State and Michigan has to lose, too, so Washington is probably going to move up to #3, at worst, if they remain undefeated.

Would they actually drop Georgia all the way out of it entirely if they lost to Alabama? My guess is that they wouldn't, but here's my question: what happens if Washington and FSU remain undefeated, and the Ohio State/Michigan winner wins the Big 10 title game and remains undefeated? Wouldn't it be impossible to have Alabama below Georgia, at that point? So wouldn't Georgia be out in that scenario? Or maybe the committee would still put Georgia ahead of an undefeated FSU without Jordan Travis? Different question, let's say Georgia beats Alabama but FSU and Washington remain undefeated: could the committee take the Ohio State/Michigan loser instead of FSU?


In either scenario, I think you have to have the 4 undefeated teams as your BCS pool (not "have" as in required, just should), regardless of the injury, if FSU does win out. It wouldn't seem right to assume FSU is a lesser team without Travis if the manage to win out without him.


Perhaps you are right,


I’m never sure until jodeke tells me what his experts are telling him to think. 😉

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but I've heard them say over the years that their goal is to take the 4 best teams. Let's say that Alabama does squeak past Georgia, and FSU wins the ACC title and stays undefeated. (The ACC sucks, by the way.) How many points would Georgia be favored by over FSU on a neutral field without Jordan Travis? Seven? Ten? I think that stuff can come into play. Now, if it's a healthy Travis, I don't think it does. But without him, I think there may be a sense that FSU is a sacrificial lamb in the CFP, and with as many blowout games as there have been in the CFP, they may not want that. We'll see what happens and how it all plays out.


Totally get that. You only have three games. You want them to be as competitive as possible with the best talent. I wouldn’t want to be the committee this year.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 8:29 am    Post subject:

Huge game today with Ohio State traveling to Michigan.

Michigan is a 3 point favorite at home.

I think Ohio State might reverse the recent trend and beat them this year.

Should be a fantastic game, stakes could not be higher.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 10:17 am    Post subject:

Michigan is about to take a 14-3 lead. That replay was close, there wouldve been some serious drama if they called that an interception

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:24 pm    Post subject:

Michigan is a first down away from icing this thing. Ohio State needs a stop and then some kind of score with most likely under a minute to go. Dire straits for the Buckeyes.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:31 pm    Post subject:

They got the stop and forced a FG. Michigan is up 30-24 with just over a minute left, and Ohio State is out of timeouts. Still, they have a shot now.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:37 pm    Post subject:

Michigan survives with an interception.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 12:42 pm    Post subject:

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Michigan survives with an interception.


Yep, after Ohio State had gotten it into Michigan territory with a realistic shot. A bad decision on 1st down there, just have to find a way to throw that away under pressure.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:03 pm    Post subject:

great game.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:07 pm    Post subject:

Ryan Day vs. Michigan: 0-3

Ryan Day vs. all other Big 10 foes: 40-0.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:27 pm    Post subject:

It was only a couple of years ago Harbaugh couldn't win a game against Ohio State. Now he's credited with 3 wins although technically it was his assistant that got the win.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:30 pm    Post subject:

[quote="lakersken80"]It was only a couple of years ago Harbaugh couldn't win a game against Ohio State. Now he's credited with 3 wins although technically it was his assistant that got the win.[/quote

Yeah, that's odd to me. How can he get credit for a win if he's not even in the building coaching the team? If Patrick Mahomes is suspended for 3 games, and the Chiefs go out and win a game, he doesn't get a win, obviously.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:38 pm    Post subject:

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Michigan is about to take a 14-3 lead. That replay was close, there wouldve been some serious drama if they called that an interception

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That second touchdown was totally an interception. It’s a shame that bad call taints a great game
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:14 pm    Post subject:

Cougars playing like they have nothing to lose.

Huskies playing like they are afraid to lose.

Doesn’t bode well for The Dawgs.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:15 pm    Post subject:

And Penix is making stupid decisions. INT Cougars.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 3:31 pm    Post subject:

Washington is a mess. Screwing up on every level. DeBoer has to waste a time out after getting flustered with the officiating.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 4:15 pm    Post subject:

Huskies with another stupid mistake with the leaping penalty. This is not a team that wants to go to the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:00 pm    Post subject:

Washington pulls out yet another one. It does feel like they are going to get killed against a really good team, and maybe that happens as soon as Oregon. But you never know!

In my previous CFP talk, I mentioned that I thought that the committee would have a hard time keeping Alabama out if they defeat Georgia in the SEC title game (which completely leaves out their crazy win today at Auburn), but I neglected to mention Texas. Texas is currently ranked one spot ahead of Alabama, and have a direct head-to-head win over the Tide. If Texas wins the Big 12 title, how can you realistically rank Alabama ahead of them, even if the Tide were to beat Georgia? Personally, I think that would be egregious. I mean, they beat them! A head-to-head win has to matter, but then again, how would you separate, say, Texas, Georgia, and Alabama? Texas beat Alabama...which beat Georgia. At that point, I think you kick Georgia all the way out. They would be a non-conference champ and I don't know how you'd kick out Alabama (beat Georgia) and Texas (beat Alabama) at that point.

And Florida State could still end up undefated, and so could Washington. Not to mention the possibility of a 1-loss Oregon.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:10 pm    Post subject:

Penix almost blows the game with stupid decisions on the last 3 plays and then goes to hide in a box on the sideline with his back to the field as his kicker tries to salvage a win. Then he sits and wallows in his own misery of knowing his Heisman hopes were over by hiding under a jacket rather than celebrate with his team or congratulate his kicker. Not cool.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 25, 2023 5:12 pm    Post subject:

Florida leading Florida State 10-0 in the 2nd quarter.
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