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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin |
Throw in the absolute refusal to acknowledge that Trump lost in 2020 (and double down by saying you believe “there were a lot of problems with the results”) while also avoiding the direct question about accepting the results of this election and you have a person who has proven themself to be unfit for office. |
A lot of people were hoping to see the type of dominance KH had over trumptard but that was never going to be-the case. Jd has that George costanza mind set where “ jerry, it’s not a lie if you believe it”
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Garbage Human couldn't help but be garbage and take a jab at Carter on his 100th Birthday
People still don't understand why Trump hated McCain.. Because McCain backed a bill -
The Magnitsky Act -passed by the USA that sanctions Russian Oligarchs..
Trump, while President, visited Japan and demanded the USS John McCain not be in his sight..
I got receipts.. what kind of POTUS is this?? Fealty to Putin before USA...
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| Halflife wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin |
Throw in the absolute refusal to acknowledge that Trump lost in 2020 (and double down by saying you believe “there were a lot of problems with the results”) while also avoiding the direct question about accepting the results of this election and you have a person who has proven themself to be unfit for office. |
A lot of people were hoping to see the type of dominance KH had over trumptard but that was never going to be-the case. Jd has that George costanza mind set where “ jerry, it’s not a lie if you believe it” |
Watched John Oliver tear Trump and JD a new one over the Racist Attacks on American citizens and they showed JD just nonchalantly say .. I didn't make it up someone told me they read it or some (bleep).. but the way he said a lie .. it was like the way others around here explain Russians lying to each other
He knows he is lying and knows we know he is lying but there isn't anything anyone can do about it - so he plays it off like he is some high paid actor acting a part. |
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Walz, like Biden, is a retail politician. Good on the stump, good person to person, not really a debater. Vance is a trained lawyer with a good brain and zero morals, and he basically used the Gish gallop of lies to keep Tim off balance early, but Tim really scored the only memorable moments of the debate.
Fwiw, telling a lie takes a few seconds, but debunking it takes a lot longer, so if you tell several lies at a time, your opponent gets stuck having to pick and choose which to address while also trying to get their own points in. Which is why you have moderators, so one party can’t just do that and derail the debate. Kamala is a seasoned prosecutor and Trump is more and more insane, so she was very good at picking her attack points and her pivots and winding him up. But she also had help from the moderators who rebutted some of his lies and didn’t force her to simply rebut him.
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Ultimately, the debate will come down to the sound bites. There were no killers, but Walz will come off better in the short clips. Two stumbles by JD with the fact checking and the insurrection answers at the end will have legs.
That said, Trump will open his mouth and say some stupid $#@% and that will outplay anything from this a week from now most likely. |
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Vance said nothing memorable that is actually positive for their campaign. He didn't' have a great gotcha moment against Walz, but whatever he said that was memorable will be used against him (fact checking and the Jan 6 portion).
Walz had a rough start but settled down later and scored some good points.
The Tiananmen Square question came out of nowhere and he did the best he could considering he probably didn't prepare for it. Most "undecideds" have no idea what Margaret Brennan even meant by it.
Overall, a wash.
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| anth2000 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin |
True.
Walz is just a good speaker. Wasn’t as prepped as I hoped. |
The format is terrible for dealing with people like this. Timed responses for a debate with no fact checking and open mics is just asking for hell from bad actors.
Throw out a bunch of red herrings, throw out some misinformation, mix in some lies, and the response by the other party has to think of a response to you while weaving in a response to the question. They really need better constraints, or to not do debates at all. The media is so terrified of seeming biased that they're willing to forego fact checking. This from the side that regularly used to say "facts don't care about your feelings"
There was one specific moment where Vance was saying Trump made the ACA better as well as a bunch of other mistruths, and while Walz was answering Vance interjected which then made Walz answer the interjection instead of continuing on his train of thought. Presumably because Vance knew he told a bunch of lies and didn't want Walz to call them out, so he henpecked. It was awful to watch, and I could understand not being able to give your best answer in those circumstances. |
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| numero-ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | Vance is a better lying debater than Trump, less crazy, way more calm but man, still lying about the same things
Tim won tonight |
I know I'm biased but I agree while acknowledging Vance likely improved his image. I don't know if he accurately translated Trump's gibberish because only Trump knows what he's actually trying to say. I do believe whatever headway Vance may have made for Trump tonight will be quickly undone by Ol' Donny the next time he gets in front of a mic.
It was nice to watch a political debate where both candidates behaved like adults and spoke in coherent sentences. It was quite a throwback. |
Civil debate was a nice change for sure, none of the Trump barrage of insults but I do wish Tim would’ve called out the lies way way more often and way more powerful. Vance was basically allowed to have a stage performance without facts
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For what it's worth, Morning Joe has been showing a post debate poll with Walz approval numbers jumping up about 13 points after the debate. Vance's jumped up too (by about 11 pts I think). Overall, Vance is still in negative approval territory and Walz is at 59% approval. There are no national politicians with 59% approval.
So for all our critiques about how we wanted Walz to push back more, the Independent voters saw something they liked. Basically, they saw a normal guy communicating in a normal way, not perfect but likeable and honest.
| Quote: | In Politico’s snap poll following the debate, voters were split nearly evenly on the winner along party lines. Asked who came out on top, 72 percent of Democrats said Walz, while 71 percent of Republicans said Vance.
Among independents, 34 percent said the Democratic vice presidential nominee won, while 25 percent said his GOP opponent was the winner, the survey found.
Asked, regardless of the forum, who would make a better vice president, 92 percent of Democrats picked the Minnesota governor, while 91 percent of Republicans chose the Ohio Republican. Walz again had the advantage with independents, bringing in 44 percent who said he would make a better vice president over Vance’s 36 percent. About 20 percent said they did not know, according to the snap poll. |
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| governator wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | governator wrote: | Vance is a better lying debater than Trump, less crazy, way more calm but man, still lying about the same things
Tim won tonight |
I know I'm biased but I agree while acknowledging Vance likely improved his image. I don't know if he accurately translated Trump's gibberish because only Trump knows what he's actually trying to say. I do believe whatever headway Vance may have made for Trump tonight will be quickly undone by Ol' Donny the next time he gets in front of a mic.
It was nice to watch a political debate where both candidates behaved like adults and spoke in coherent sentences. It was quite a throwback. |
Civil debate was a nice change for sure, none of the Trump barrage of insults but I do wish Tim would’ve called out the lies way way more often and way more powerful. Vance was basically allowed to have a stage performance without facts |
Yes. On content, if we grade on accuracy, Walz won. If we grade on audience perception, Vance won. Walz should have been able to be civil but pointed at the same time. Here are just five examples:
When Vance said, you've had 4 years to do what you promise to do, why didn't you -- Because we were first cleaning up the COVID mess we inherited, we then passed the infrastructure bill that Trump promised but didn't deliver, and we had a Republican do nothing congress worried about Hunter Biden's laptop. Now, without am inherited mess from Trump, and without a do-nothing congress, we can build on what was done.
When Vance said, over and over and in many different ways that it was Kamala who is responsible for the high costs -- Inflation is largely because of COVID and supply chain issues, and Trump's mishandling of it, and focusing on keeping the country running until it was whupped. (If Vance would reply that we can't blame Trump's economy on the problems with COVID -- Then why are you blaming Biden's economy and the resulting inflation, on COVID?)
When he praised Trump's economy -- Trump lost jobs, more jobs were lost than gained. We brought those jobs back. We were the one's who invested in America's manufacturing. Trump's GDP was less than Obama's and less than ours, but with his, he had an 8 trillion dollar debt, which means people in his economy were living on their children's future.
When he said that no wars in the world happened under Trump -- What Hamas and Hezbollah fear Trump? Don't be so naive. Putin feared Trump? Are you kidding us? They were like best buddies. Trump cozzied up to dictators, because that is what he admires and aspires to be. If you only knew what our allies have had to say about him, you'd think differently.
When Vance said that Kamala was in favor of undoing Trump's executive orders on the border -- Because much of what he did, separating families-- families, something you (Vance) seem to care so much about--was inhumane and that is not an America I want. We wanted to do it the right way, with Congress and proper funding, and we almost succeeded, until Trump stopped it.
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Harris campaign already turned Vance's damning non-answer into a concise, well-edited ad:
| Quote: | Tim Walz @Tim_Walz
Last night, what JD Vance didn’t say said everything. |
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| Theseus wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | anth2000 wrote: | Vance was a lot better than Walz.
Law degree from Yale versus masters from Minnesota state university.
Vance was polished, Walz stumbled.
Walz was good on Jan. 6.
Shapiro or Mark Kelly would have done better.
Just venting…. |
Idk.
Anyone who says
“The rules were you weren’t going to fact check” is a pretty big L and in a court of law would have been a nail in the proverbial coffin |
True.
Walz is just a good speaker. Wasn’t as prepped as I hoped. |
The format is terrible for dealing with people like this. Timed responses for a debate with no fact checking and open mics is just asking for hell from bad actors.
Throw out a bunch of red herrings, throw out some misinformation, mix in some lies, and the response by the other party has to think of a response to you while weaving in a response to the question. They really need better constraints, or to not do debates at all. The media is so terrified of seeming biased that they're willing to forego fact checking. This from the side that regularly used to say "facts don't care about your feelings"
There was one specific moment where Vance was saying Trump made the ACA better as well as a bunch of other mistruths, and while Walz was answering Vance interjected which then made Walz answer the interjection instead of continuing on his train of thought. Presumably because Vance knew he told a bunch of lies and didn't want Walz to call them out, so he henpecked. It was awful to watch, and I could understand not being able to give your best answer in those circumstances. |
we learned in 2016 that debates are no longer for policy discussions. Its literally only about sound bites. Tim seemed unaware of that but that's ok. JD gave him soundbites.
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Trump/Biden debate: no fact checking, Trump spewed fire hose of lies, Biden tried to talk policy and got lost in the details. Trump won.
Trump/Harris debate: moderators did fact checking, Trump tried to spew fire hose of nonsense and lies, Harris could piggyback on moderators and just point out he's lying then continue with her own message. Harris won.
Vance/Walz debate: moderators did almost no fact checking, JD spewed fire hose of lies, Walz tried to talk policy and only had time to push back on a couple of key lies. Debate was a split decision maybe with a slight edge to Vance in the first half and edge to Walz for the ending.
Fact checking or failure to fact check non-stop liars in real time BY THE MODERATORS played a key role in the outcomes.
Having said that, Kamala Harris was so much better than everyone else, she probably would have won anyway because she's an experienced prosecutor who has dealt with lying witnesses.
Reminder - Trump pulled out of the 60 Minutes interview because they were going to fact check him. These guys have NOTHING without their lies. Truly pathetic.
Put the blame on the liars. |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | For what it's worth, Morning Joe has been showing a post debate poll with Walz approval numbers jumping up about 13 points after the debate. Vance's jumped up too (by about 11 pts I think). Overall, Vance is still in negative approval territory and Walz is at 59% approval. There are no national politicians with 59% approval.
So for all our critiques about how we wanted Walz to push back more, the Independent voters saw something they liked. Basically, they saw a normal guy communicating in a normal way, not perfect but likeable and honest.
| Quote: | In Politico’s snap poll following the debate, voters were split nearly evenly on the winner along party lines. Asked who came out on top, 72 percent of Democrats said Walz, while 71 percent of Republicans said Vance.
Among independents, 34 percent said the Democratic vice presidential nominee won, while 25 percent said his GOP opponent was the winner, the survey found.
Asked, regardless of the forum, who would make a better vice president, 92 percent of Democrats picked the Minnesota governor, while 91 percent of Republicans chose the Ohio Republican. Walz again had the advantage with independents, bringing in 44 percent who said he would make a better vice president over Vance’s 36 percent. About 20 percent said they did not know, according to the snap poll. |
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Vance improving his approval by 11 points shows how dangerous he is. He’s every bit the fascist that Trump is, probably even more dangerously so, with his association with Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Yet he has the ability to come across as normal in a debate and pass as a regular politician. He’s the type that can sell fascism to the masses with his slick presentation. If Trump/Vance isn’t stopped, Vance is going to end up the president at some point, and then we’re even more (bleep) than just Trump being president. |
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I think with the way corporate media framed things heading into the debate.
Vance "won".
Debates are always an expectations game. Vance is a historically unpopular VP pick.
Walz's popularity and ability to "speak plainly" gave Kamala's campaign a ton of momentum.
Most people only watch the beginning of these debates. And with Walz's trip up on the Tiananmen Square question. The narrative was written. Before Walz embarrassed Vance on Jan 6th and healthcare questions.
Vance normalized Trump's insanity. And Walz could've done a better job pushing back on that. But I still think Harris wins in November. It might be "close" on election night. But when all the votes are counted. I think she wins by a significant electoral college margin. VP debates don't matter much.
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| kikanga wrote: | I think with the way corporate media framed things heading into the debate.
Vance "won".
Debates are always an expectations game. Vance is a historically unpopular VP pick.
Walz's popularity and ability to "speak plainly" gave Kamala's campaign a ton of momentum.
Most people only watch the beginning of these debates. And with Walz's trip up on the Tiananmen Square question. The narrative was written. Before Walz embarrassed Vance on Jan 6th and healthcare questions.
Vance normalized Trump's insanity. And Walz could've done a better job pushing back on that. But I still think Harris wins in November. It might be "close" on election night. But when all the votes are counted. I think she wins by a significant electoral college margin. VP debates don't matter much. |
I agree. I thought he showed more presence. I expected more from Tim. Substantively Tim had the upper hand. Overall it was close but I think JD won a squeaker.
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| trmiv wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | For what it's worth, Morning Joe has been showing a post debate poll with Walz approval numbers jumping up about 13 points after the debate. Vance's jumped up too (by about 11 pts I think). Overall, Vance is still in negative approval territory and Walz is at 59% approval. There are no national politicians with 59% approval.
So for all our critiques about how we wanted Walz to push back more, the Independent voters saw something they liked. Basically, they saw a normal guy communicating in a normal way, not perfect but likeable and honest.
| Quote: | In Politico’s snap poll following the debate, voters were split nearly evenly on the winner along party lines. Asked who came out on top, 72 percent of Democrats said Walz, while 71 percent of Republicans said Vance.
Among independents, 34 percent said the Democratic vice presidential nominee won, while 25 percent said his GOP opponent was the winner, the survey found.
Asked, regardless of the forum, who would make a better vice president, 92 percent of Democrats picked the Minnesota governor, while 91 percent of Republicans chose the Ohio Republican. Walz again had the advantage with independents, bringing in 44 percent who said he would make a better vice president over Vance’s 36 percent. About 20 percent said they did not know, according to the snap poll. |
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Vance improving his approval by 11 points shows how dangerous he is. He’s every bit the fascist that Trump is, probably even more dangerously so, with his association with Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Yet he has the ability to come across as normal in a debate and pass as a regular politician. He’s the type that can sell fascism to the masses with his slick presentation. If Trump/Vance isn’t stopped, Vance is going to end up the president at some point, and then we’re even more (bleep) than just Trump being president. |
Yes, for example:
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It’s patently clear that the billionaires who selected @JDVance as VP will have no use for Trump once the election is over. They will remove him via the 25th Amendment and JD will become President and they won’t need Trump’s base any longer because there will be no more elections |
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| Yes Vance is the guy we worried about when talking about a slick politician that isn’t as stupid as Trump that can sell fascism to people. Him being just steps away from the presidency should absolutely frighten everyone. Look up what Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel believe. That’s what’s coming for this country when Vance takes over the presidency. |
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| trmiv wrote: | | Yes Vance is the guy we worried about when talking about a slick politician that isn’t as stupid as Trump that can sell fascism to people. Him being just steps away from the presidency should absolutely frighten everyone. Look up what Curtis Yarvin and Peter Thiel believe. That’s what’s coming for this country when Vance takes over the presidency. |
Vance doesn't scare me more than any other Republican President/VP.
I don't want a Republican leader because they will lead this country backward on several issues I care about (including free and fair elections).
But there is nothing special about Vance that makes me more worried. Yarvin and Thiel can and will buy any Republican.
Vance is a prostitute, like Trump. Will say or do anything if it benefits him.
But unlike Trump, he can't create a cult of personality. He's a worse version of Romney.
On the other hand, the current Supreme Court worries me ... alot.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | For what it's worth, Morning Joe has been showing a post debate poll with Walz approval numbers jumping up about 13 points after the debate. Vance's jumped up too (by about 11 pts I think). Overall, Vance is still in negative approval territory and Walz is at 59% approval. There are no national politicians with 59% approval.
So for all our critiques about how we wanted Walz to push back more, the Independent voters saw something they liked. Basically, they saw a normal guy communicating in a normal way, not perfect but likeable and honest.
| Quote: | In Politico’s snap poll following the debate, voters were split nearly evenly on the winner along party lines. Asked who came out on top, 72 percent of Democrats said Walz, while 71 percent of Republicans said Vance.
Among independents, 34 percent said the Democratic vice presidential nominee won, while 25 percent said his GOP opponent was the winner, the survey found.
Asked, regardless of the forum, who would make a better vice president, 92 percent of Democrats picked the Minnesota governor, while 91 percent of Republicans chose the Ohio Republican. Walz again had the advantage with independents, bringing in 44 percent who said he would make a better vice president over Vance’s 36 percent. About 20 percent said they did not know, according to the snap poll. |
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We all seem to be in agreement that Walz missed a couple of opportunities to dispel some of the Vance lies and misdirects, but ultimately he came off better. Other than the obvious misspeak about having made friends with school shooters (when he meant to says with victims), he had no actual "Uh-oh, that's gonna hurt" moments. Meanwhile, Vance had two very glaring screw ups: the "the rules said you weren't going to fact check me" comment and the avoidance of the who won the election issue; and Walz had the only "gotcha ya!" moment with his "that was a damning non-answer" is response.
I can see why people who rate style over substance might feel that Vance rated higher on the appearance meter, but really he just came off as a slick politician trying to dodge actual issues with partisan talking points. The best you could say is that he didn't come across as the openly vile douche that most people know him to be
I think the number of people who tuned into a VP debate like this with no prior knowledge or understanding of the participants is quite small. But of those that may fit that description, I do think that Walz came across as more genuine, honest and likable.
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Man, CNN, cmon, the bar for Vance to be the winner of the debate is to look not crazy and the bar for Walz is to crush Vance, anything less, Walz lost. What the hell
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| trmiv wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | For what it's worth, Morning Joe has been showing a post debate poll with Walz approval numbers jumping up about 13 points after the debate. Vance's jumped up too (by about 11 pts I think). Overall, Vance is still in negative approval territory and Walz is at 59% approval. There are no national politicians with 59% approval.
So for all our critiques about how we wanted Walz to push back more, the Independent voters saw something they liked. Basically, they saw a normal guy communicating in a normal way, not perfect but likeable and honest.
| Quote: | In Politico’s snap poll following the debate, voters were split nearly evenly on the winner along party lines. Asked who came out on top, 72 percent of Democrats said Walz, while 71 percent of Republicans said Vance.
Among independents, 34 percent said the Democratic vice presidential nominee won, while 25 percent said his GOP opponent was the winner, the survey found.
Asked, regardless of the forum, who would make a better vice president, 92 percent of Democrats picked the Minnesota governor, while 91 percent of Republicans chose the Ohio Republican. Walz again had the advantage with independents, bringing in 44 percent who said he would make a better vice president over Vance’s 36 percent. About 20 percent said they did not know, according to the snap poll. |
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Vance improving his approval by 11 points shows how dangerous he is. He’s every bit the fascist that Trump is, probably even more dangerously so, with his association with Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Yet he has the ability to come across as normal in a debate and pass as a regular politician. He’s the type that can sell fascism to the masses with his slick presentation. If Trump/Vance isn’t stopped, Vance is going to end up the president at some point, and then we’re even more (bleep) than just Trump being president. |
On the surface, for sure. But I think if you drill down into it, that rise is not shifting anyone's original position on the main candidates themselves. I just it's just a group of Trump Republicans who just thought, "OK, he passed the smell test better there".
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | For what it's worth, Morning Joe has been showing a post debate poll with Walz approval numbers jumping up about 13 points after the debate. Vance's jumped up too (by about 11 pts I think). Overall, Vance is still in negative approval territory and Walz is at 59% approval. There are no national politicians with 59% approval.
So for all our critiques about how we wanted Walz to push back more, the Independent voters saw something they liked. Basically, they saw a normal guy communicating in a normal way, not perfect but likeable and honest.
| Quote: | In Politico’s snap poll following the debate, voters were split nearly evenly on the winner along party lines. Asked who came out on top, 72 percent of Democrats said Walz, while 71 percent of Republicans said Vance.
Among independents, 34 percent said the Democratic vice presidential nominee won, while 25 percent said his GOP opponent was the winner, the survey found.
Asked, regardless of the forum, who would make a better vice president, 92 percent of Democrats picked the Minnesota governor, while 91 percent of Republicans chose the Ohio Republican. Walz again had the advantage with independents, bringing in 44 percent who said he would make a better vice president over Vance’s 36 percent. About 20 percent said they did not know, according to the snap poll. |
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Vance improving his approval by 11 points shows how dangerous he is. He’s every bit the fascist that Trump is, probably even more dangerously so, with his association with Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin. Yet he has the ability to come across as normal in a debate and pass as a regular politician. He’s the type that can sell fascism to the masses with his slick presentation. If Trump/Vance isn’t stopped, Vance is going to end up the president at some point, and then we’re even more (bleep) than just Trump being president. |
Yes, for example:
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It’s patently clear that the billionaires who selected @JDVance as VP will have no use for Trump once the election is over. They will remove him via the 25th Amendment and JD will become President and they won’t need Trump’s base any longer because there will be no more elections |
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This is the real threat.
As reprehensible as Trump is, he's just an a horrible unscrupulous and selfish guy who is out to benefit himself in any way possible.
Vance is a genuinely dangerous and evil person who has been put in place to actually derail democracy as we know it. Trump is just the useful idiot who can help Vance get into office.
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| governator wrote: | | Man, CNN, cmon, the bar for Vance to be the winner of the debate is to look not crazy and the bar for Walz is to crush Vance, anything less, Walz lost. What the hell |
Who?
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