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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 6:57 am    Post subject:

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I have some young black guys in my orbit who are Trumpers. I don't get it. None of my older Black Republican friends support Trump, but some of these 30 somethings are drinking the Kool-Aid.


Theres always fresh recruits who are attracted to cults. It makes them feel like they belong to a community.


Or they're just stupid.


Not just that, there’s a huge contingent of black/latino youths who are in the ‘genocide’ Joe camp, they don’t give a damn about Trump but they wanna burn the system down (this include educated group)… at least up here in north east. The hatred toward Biden/Israel is way more than the hatred toward Trump but this group might not waste time to vote


And don't underestimate the misogyny. A lot of Trump's male base actually have rage toward women, jealousy of women, angry that today's women aren't attracted to mean he-men and don't need them financially any longer.


And don't want no-fault divorces.
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kikanga wrote:
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I have some young black guys in my orbit who are Trumpers. I don't get it. None of my older Black Republican friends support Trump, but some of these 30 somethings are drinking the Kool-Aid.


Theres always fresh recruits who are attracted to cults. It makes them feel like they belong to a community.


Or they're just stupid.


Not just that, there’s a huge contingent of black/latino youths who are in the ‘genocide’ Joe camp, they don’t give a damn about Trump but they wanna burn the system down (this include educated group)… at least up here in north east. The hatred toward Biden/Israel is way more than the hatred toward Trump but this group might not waste time to vote


Interesting. I think you may be lumping multiple groups together here.

There are people looking for excuses to vote for Trump.
And there are other people who genuinely care about what has happened in Gaza the past year and they can't bring themselves to support either party.

You should check out Ta-Nehisi Coates interview on Pod Save the World.


Like me. He's voting for Kamala. But in the final 10-15 minutes he articulates what I've tried to say about "the lesser of 2 evils argument" when it comes to levels of genocide. Pretty much. If nothing changes when Kamala is President, in terms of our country's support of genocide. She will be losing both of our votes when she runs again in 4 years.


Such people don’t genuinely care about the plight of Palestinians. They are about attempting political purity for their selfish sense of personal aggrandizement. They want to “burn it down” because they crave to be the arsonist to make themselves feel good. If they genuinely cared, they wouldn’t perpetuate the baseless “both parties” narrative. They pointedly ignore the fact that Trump will be far worse for Palestine and that a non-vote is tantamount to a vote for Trump. They also ignore that Harris has stated that a two state solution is a must. So the “complicity” argument they use doesn’t pass the smell test and is an easy excuse to see through.

Vice President Kamala Harris was asked how she would broker a deal to end the war between Israel and Hamas, a stalemate President Joe Biden says he’s been unable break through amid numerous attempts to broker cease-fire deals in the war that has raged on close to a year.

Harris said she would continue to work on a two-state solution “around the clock.”

“In that solution there must be security for the Israeli people and Israel and in equal measure for the Palestinians,” Harris said. “But the one thing I will assure you always, I will always give Israel the ability to defend itself and in particular, as it relates to Iran and any threat that Iran and its proxies posed to Israel. But we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.”


Meanwhile, those that sincerely support the innocent people of Palestine rather than use them as a political pawn for their phony, “I’m a better leftist than you” crap acknowledge that the best option for any hope for the civilians of Gaza is to work towards a Democratic win and actively work towards it; not selfishly attempt to thwart it.
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US Doctors Tell Biden, Harris They 'Witnessed Crimes Beyond Comprehension' in Gaza

Nearly 100 U.S. healthcare providers who have volunteered in the Gaza Strip over the past year sent President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris a Wednesday letter detailing "the massive human toll from Israel's attack" and urging the administration to "end this madness now!"


"This letter and the appendix show probative evidence that the human toll in Gaza since October is far higher than is understood in the United States. It is likely that the death toll from this conflict is already greater than 118,908, an astonishing 5.4% of Gaza's population," the health workers wrote to Biden and Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee for the November election.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/doctor-in-gaza

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“And this just indicts everybody. Like this really is, there is no escape from this. There is no...

And that's what I mean about that DNC. I mean, this is a very, very black DNC. So the bombs will be very black bombs.

I mean, that is the logical conclusion of it. You know, so there's, I don't know, man. There are people who are really, really split, you know, like in their heart because they want to see a black woman as president, to say nothing of being utterly and rightfully terrified of Trump.

You know, and at the same time, if this continues, you know, I'm usually one of those people that says, and I am right now, like in this election, one of those people that says, look, lesser evil or whatever, look, you know, that you don't get, you know, your dream world, you know what I mean? Like you have to choose. I just wonder if there's limits.

Like at some point, you know, are there, like, do you really, you know, cross over the line and not become the person that is choosing between lesser evil but actually part of an evil? “You know, or, you know, maybe not put it in those terms, you know, like making a compromise and you actually become the doer of the thing. I hope, I hope she has the courage, you know, and not just the courage, I hope she has the belief and the conviction, you know, to not continue this.

I don't expect a wholesale change in policy, but this is too much, man. This is just too much.”

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US Doctors Tell Biden, Harris They 'Witnessed Crimes Beyond Comprehension' in Gaza

Nearly 100 U.S. healthcare providers who have volunteered in the Gaza Strip over the past year sent President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris a Wednesday letter detailing "the massive human toll from Israel's attack" and urging the administration to "end this madness now!"


"This letter and the appendix show probative evidence that the human toll in Gaza since October is far higher than is understood in the United States. It is likely that the death toll from this conflict is already greater than 118,908, an astonishing 5.4% of Gaza's population," the health workers wrote to Biden and Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee for the November election.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/doctor-in-gaza

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“And this just indicts everybody. Like this really is, there is no escape from this. There is no...

And that's what I mean about that DNC. I mean, this is a very, very black DNC. So the bombs will be very black bombs.

I mean, that is the logical conclusion of it. You know, so there's, I don't know, man. There are people who are really, really split, you know, like in their heart because they want to see a black woman as president, to say nothing of being utterly and rightfully terrified of Trump.

You know, and at the same time, if this continues, you know, I'm usually one of those people that says, and I am right now, like in this election, one of those people that says, look, lesser evil or whatever, look, you know, that you don't get, you know, your dream world, you know what I mean? Like you have to choose. I just wonder if there's limits.

Like at some point, you know, are there, like, do you really, you know, cross over the line and not become the person that is choosing between lesser evil but actually part of an evil? “You know, or, you know, maybe not put it in those terms, you know, like making a compromise and you actually become the doer of the thing. I hope, I hope she has the courage, you know, and not just the courage, I hope she has the belief and the conviction, you know, to not continue this.

I don't expect a wholesale change in policy, but this is too much, man. This is just too much.”


This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:07 am    Post subject:

Obama for Harris campaign in Pittsburgh


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This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.

Big picture wise. Once this election is over and Kamala has won. I'm going to circle back to this.

Cause I think everybody has their own personal line where the "lesser evil" isn't good enough.
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kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.
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kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.
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trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.
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How any non-racist American could prefer Donald Trump over Barack Obama defies logic. (I wrote that without the non-racist part, but then felt there was an explanation.)
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I usually don't post this stuff:


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BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.


He literally is voting for Kamala. Calm down man.
He, members of Obama’s WH, (and I) aren’t happy the past year American planes have dropped American bombs for a genocide. And we aren’t enforcing the Leahy law. We can say that and still vote for Kamala and hope she doesn’t continue Bidens support of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Just watch/listen to the interview.

People are allowed to be disgusted with our part to play in this genocide. It doesn’t make them naive or lesser than people who can swallow it easier.

I guarantee I can find a hypothetical issue you care about that you’d be just as upset about.

Telling a starving Gazan kid "it could be worse" isn't going to put food in his belly. And its easy to say "get over it, stop pouting" when you aren't affected on the other side of the globe.

We're not talking about gas prices or tax policy differences here. We're talking about genocide. Not potential future genocide. Current atrocities for Bibi's agenda.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:41 am    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.


He literally is voting for Kamala. Calm down man.
He, members of Obama’s WH, (and I) aren’t happy the past year American planes have dropped American bombs for a genocide. And we aren’t enforcing the Leahy law. We can say that and still vote for Kamala and hope she doesn’t continue Bidens support of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Just watch/listen to the interview.

People are allowed to be disgusted with our part to play in this genocide. It doesn’t make them naive or lesser than people who can swallow it easier.

I guarantee I can find a hypothetical issue you care about that you’d be just as upset about.

Telling a starving Gazan kid "it could be worse" isn't going to put food in his belly. And its easy to say "get over it, stop pouting" when you aren't affected on the other side of the globe.

We're not talking about gas prices or tax policy differences here. We're talking about genocide. Not po0ential future genocide. Current atrocities for Bibi's agenda.


You tell me to calm down and then go on some one sided rant filled with assumptions?
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US Doctors Tell Biden, Harris They 'Witnessed Crimes Beyond Comprehension' in Gaza

Nearly 100 U.S. healthcare providers who have volunteered in the Gaza Strip over the past year sent President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris a Wednesday letter detailing "the massive human toll from Israel's attack" and urging the administration to "end this madness now!"


"This letter and the appendix show probative evidence that the human toll in Gaza since October is far higher than is understood in the United States. It is likely that the death toll from this conflict is already greater than 118,908, an astonishing 5.4% of Gaza's population," the health workers wrote to Biden and Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee for the November election.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/doctor-in-gaza

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“And this just indicts everybody. Like this really is, there is no escape from this. There is no...

And that's what I mean about that DNC. I mean, this is a very, very black DNC. So the bombs will be very black bombs.

I mean, that is the logical conclusion of it. You know, so there's, I don't know, man. There are people who are really, really split, you know, like in their heart because they want to see a black woman as president, to say nothing of being utterly and rightfully terrified of Trump.

You know, and at the same time, if this continues, you know, I'm usually one of those people that says, and I am right now, like in this election, one of those people that says, look, lesser evil or whatever, look, you know, that you don't get, you know, your dream world, you know what I mean? Like you have to choose. I just wonder if there's limits.

Like at some point, you know, are there, like, do you really, you know, cross over the line and not become the person that is choosing between lesser evil but actually part of an evil? “You know, or, you know, maybe not put it in those terms, you know, like making a compromise and you actually become the doer of the thing. I hope, I hope she has the courage, you know, and not just the courage, I hope she has the belief and the conviction, you know, to not continue this.

I don't expect a wholesale change in policy, but this is too much, man. This is just too much.”


This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


Don't let the verbiage (you know) distract you from the message. It's about Trump and and Harris. Simplify it. Make both evils. Do you want Autocracy or Democracy? Your choice. Make a decision.
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From NY Times Wednesday:
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I worked as a trauma surgeon in Gaza from March 25 to April 8. I’ve volunteered in Ukraine and Haiti, and I grew up in Flint, Mich. I’ve seen violence and worked in conflict zones. But of the many things that stood out about working in a hospital in Gaza, one got to me: Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die. Thirteen in total.

At the time, I assumed this had to be the work of a particularly sadistic soldier located nearby. But after returning home, I met an emergency medicine physician who had worked in a different hospital in Gaza two months before me. “I couldn’t believe the number of kids I saw shot in the head,” I told him. To my surprise, he responded: “Yeah, me, too. Every single day.”
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 11:55 am    Post subject:

I just want the election to get here and get all the election/campaign news over...

25 days to go... the countdown is on....
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Surprised, but not really surprised, that 538 is including all the Donald Trump sponsored polls in their analysis. I mean, I'm glad they show us the poll and show it was funded by Trump. But to include it in the overall analysis seems a little weird. I definitely wouldn't scoff at them not including Kamala Harris funded polls in any analysis
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BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.


He literally is voting for Kamala. Calm down man.
He, members of Obama’s WH, (and I) aren’t happy the past year American planes have dropped American bombs for a genocide. And we aren’t enforcing the Leahy law. We can say that and still vote for Kamala and hope she doesn’t continue Bidens support of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Just watch/listen to the interview.

People are allowed to be disgusted with our part to play in this genocide. It doesn’t make them naive or lesser than people who can swallow it easier.

I guarantee I can find a hypothetical issue you care about that you’d be just as upset about.

Telling a starving Gazan kid "it could be worse" isn't going to put food in his belly. And its easy to say "get over it, stop pouting" when you aren't affected on the other side of the globe.

We're not talking about gas prices or tax policy differences here. We're talking about genocide. Not po0ential future genocide. Current atrocities for Bibi's agenda.


You tell me to calm down and then go on some one sided rant filled with assumptions?


Quality response with substance.

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Trump's blatant lies still cause me to shake my head. Trump's boyfriend, Putin, has thrown him under the bus. I'm on the lookout for how he responds to this.

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kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.


He literally is voting for Kamala. Calm down man.
He, members of Obama’s WH, (and I) aren’t happy the past year American planes have dropped American bombs for a genocide. And we aren’t enforcing the Leahy law. We can say that and still vote for Kamala and hope she doesn’t continue Bidens support of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Just watch/listen to the interview.

People are allowed to be disgusted with our part to play in this genocide. It doesn’t make them naive or lesser than people who can swallow it easier.

I guarantee I can find a hypothetical issue you care about that you’d be just as upset about.

Telling a starving Gazan kid "it could be worse" isn't going to put food in his belly. And its easy to say "get over it, stop pouting" when you aren't affected on the other side of the globe.

We're not talking about gas prices or tax policy differences here. We're talking about genocide. Not po0ential future genocide. Current atrocities for Bibi's agenda.


You tell me to calm down and then go on some one sided rant filled with assumptions?


Quality response with substance.


Man, all I know is the level and substance of discussion about Israel/Gaza with , at least the black/latino fellas (yes, mostly males, mostly from academics, 30-50 yrs in age) is pretty much equating US Gov with Biden as the face and def Israel as the modern white supremacy. I’ve been pushing back against that argument for the past year without any dent. They don’t see incremental progress as progress, just lipstick on a pig. These guys are professors, big influence on their students. This ‘Genocide’ Joe group… is a hair below cult-ish, MAGA esque (not in substance but in conviction) while Trump could do no wrong, Biden with this group (which drag Kamala into it) could do no right. I just hope they’re not big enough bloc in swing states
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:29 pm    Post subject:

kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.


He literally is voting for Kamala. Calm down man.
He, members of Obama’s WH, (and I) aren’t happy the past year American planes have dropped American bombs for a genocide. And we aren’t enforcing the Leahy law. We can say that and still vote for Kamala and hope she doesn’t continue Bidens support of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Just watch/listen to the interview.

People are allowed to be disgusted with our part to play in this genocide. It doesn’t make them naive or lesser than people who can swallow it easier.

I guarantee I can find a hypothetical issue you care about that you’d be just as upset about.

Telling a starving Gazan kid "it could be worse" isn't going to put food in his belly. And its easy to say "get over it, stop pouting" when you aren't affected on the other side of the globe.

We're not talking about gas prices or tax policy differences here. We're talking about genocide. Not po0ential future genocide. Current atrocities for Bibi's agenda.


You tell me to calm down and then go on some one sided rant filled with assumptions?


Quality response with substance.


Yes because making asinine assumptions about a stranger on a message board is straight quality! You got me! Your self-righteousness is really going to save lives!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 2:51 pm    Post subject:

Theseus wrote:
Surprised, but not really surprised, that 538 is including all the Donald Trump sponsored polls in their analysis. I mean, I'm glad they show us the poll and show it was funded by Trump. But to include it in the overall analysis seems a little weird. I definitely wouldn't scoff at them not including Kamala Harris funded polls in any analysis


There’s a partisan poll by TIPP they have included where the RV sample has Harris +4 in Pennsylvania, but their LV has Harris -1. The RV sample had 124 RV from Philly who said they were very or somewhat likely to vote, but the LV sample only included 12 of those.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:18 pm    Post subject:

BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
kikanga wrote:
trmiv wrote:
kikanga wrote:
BigJosh951 wrote:
This guy sounds like someone who does not live in the real world.


I don't know what you mean by that. He is a world renowned author. Has covered alot of domestic and international topics, not just this one. And he always travels and gets first hand experience to add to his research.

Maybe you mean the Suez Canal is too important to global shipping routes, and it is naive to think America and American interests won't support ANYTHING to maintain regional control? Or AIPAC $ is too powerful to go against?

Either way, the hope that Kamala's policy will be different than Biden's on this topic is a major reason why I'm okay with the "lesser evil" argument.


Is he really comparing Biden to Harris on a “lesser of two evils” basis or Trump vs Harris? To me it sounds like he’s comparing Trump vs Harris on which is the lesser of two evils in this situation. But that entire statement is word salad, so it’s not entirely clear.


When he was talking about lesser evils it was Trump vs. Harris.

Biden vs Harris only comes into play when he talked about the courage, belief, and conviction to not continue this.

He's a compassionate guy. He was struggling talking about what's going on over there. Thus the word salad and repetitive "you know"s .
But I'd recommend listening to the full 30 minute interview. And reading any of his books. Not just the most recent one.


That is exactly the scenario for him. He can pick the lesser of two evils. Or he can sit out and let the worst scenario playout for him and the people he says he cares about. Time for him to grow up and realize actions have consequences. This is the same moronic mindset that got us Trump in 2016. There is no perfect candidate. I don't know why this causes some people to want to pout and ruin it for all.


He literally is voting for Kamala. Calm down man.
He, members of Obama’s WH, (and I) aren’t happy the past year American planes have dropped American bombs for a genocide. And we aren’t enforcing the Leahy law. We can say that and still vote for Kamala and hope she doesn’t continue Bidens support of Israel’s actions in Gaza. Just watch/listen to the interview.

People are allowed to be disgusted with our part to play in this genocide. It doesn’t make them naive or lesser than people who can swallow it easier.

I guarantee I can find a hypothetical issue you care about that you’d be just as upset about.

Telling a starving Gazan kid "it could be worse" isn't going to put food in his belly. And its easy to say "get over it, stop pouting" when you aren't affected on the other side of the globe.

We're not talking about gas prices or tax policy differences here. We're talking about genocide. Not po0ential future genocide. Current atrocities for Bibi's agenda.


You tell me to calm down and then go on some one sided rant filled with assumptions?


Quality response with substance.


Yes because making asinine assumptions about a stranger on a message board is straight quality! You got me! Your self-righteousness is really going to save lives!


With how well you elaborate with your posts. I’m surprised I had any room to make any assumptions. I appreciate that you are debating the topic and addressing the points made by myself (and who I quoted) instead of attacking me the poster.

I’m learning a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:29 pm    Post subject:

Let's stop the personal back and forth sniping at this point, okay? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:48 pm    Post subject:

It's not just "liberals" and "Democrats" describing Trump as a dangerous fascist:

Axios: Trump's top general calls former president "fascist" and "dangerous" threat

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Retired U.S. Army Gen. Mark Milley said former President Trump is "a fascist to the core," according to journalist Bob Woodward's forthcoming book, "War," multiple outlets reported on Friday.

Why it matters: Milley's existing scorn for the GOP presidential nominee has escalated. "He is now the most dangerous person to this country," he told Woodward.

"I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he's a total fascist," Milley, who served as chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 2019 to 2023, said to Woodward. The Army veteran was a source for Woodward's 2021 book, "Peril."


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