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| unleasHell wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | I know not everybody can live in a blue state. But right now if I lived in a red state, especially with children and daughters, I'd make plans to move to a blue state. I wish I were joking. It's going to get ugly. |
So you are advising people who live in states that voted for Trump, to sell there home and move, so a person in one of the seven swing states, should sell their home, move away from family and friends, spending (losing) all the moving expenses as well as possibly losing money when selling their residence, when it could easily swing-back in four years...
Because something bad "might" happen during the next four years?
I'm not trying to argue and lucky for me my house is paid off, not far from the beach and in a blue state, but this sounds more like an emotion-based reaction than a realistic suggestion.
Also when looking at the blue states, most of them have very expensive real estate prices. MN & NM seem to be the lowest priced homes, not sure how good of a landing spot those would be. |
Women of child baring years put their lives at stake living in a red state. I know that's hard for you to understand since it will never happen to you. I want people to protect themselves from potential harm as best they can. It's called empathy. Of course not everyone can move, that's why I prefaced my comment.
If we have another pandemic, there's a good chance my home state of Massachusetts can develop their own vaccine. RFK Jr in charge of healthcare will try to prevent vaccines. I stand a better chance of surviving another pandemic in a state that believes in science. Cheaper rent isn't so cheap if you're dead. Remember, red counties had higher COVID death rates because they didn't believe in science and didn't take precautions. I'd rather live among other people who believe in science and try to take care of one another.
You're the same guy who just made an unfunny, inappropriate joke about Putin, Trump and abortion a couple of pages back.
But spare me the "emotional" reaction riff. Number one, I'm entitled to have any and all reactions to what just happened. Because I'm not a shut down a-hole with no empathy for others. Number two, my posts are filled with intelligent, rational, logical arguments. Having emotions doesn't preclude that. So just stop with that bs. |
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Cause he’s above the law, ask the DOJ |
And more importantly . . . The Supreme Court.
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| jodeke wrote: | Get ready for an onslaught of FOXNEWS. Soon they will be the #1 news source. MSNBC, CNN, and likes will be censored.
I find myself letting out primal screams on occasion. |
Only the older demographics (60-80 yrs) are watching news on television these days according to the metrics. We're seeing something similar with sports moving to streaming services now. TNT will no longer have their license next year, which is insane to me because they consistently have the best presentation and most entertaining content. The smart networks are prioritizing a social media presence, although google, youtube and facebook still heavily promote MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo and most left leaning sources. Not a surprise that 90 some percent of the Kamala coverage was positive, while most of the Trump coverage was negative.
The future is in podcasting, influencers, live streaming, etc. This is why Chris Wallace just left CNN to start his own podcast, and you know what? I might actually watch it if he's not a total tool the way Dana Bash, Joy Reid or Bret Baier are. Those assclowns serve their billion dollar fiduciaries and sponsors and couldn't care less about the struggles of the working man. We need more Lex Friedmans and less ideologues like Anderson Coopers. This is the only way the democratic party wins back the popular vote.
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard.
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I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I don't listen to Rogan, so I can't comment on any of the views you say he has, but didn't he wait until like one day before the election to endorse Trump, not sure how helpful that actually was...(?)
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | You're the same guy who just made an unfunny, inappropriate joke about Putin, Trump and abortion a couple of pages back. |
To put my comment in context; I made my post in regards to YOUR post about "Trump being fully under Putin's control". Which was also unfunny, inappropriate and false... My posts seem to be a bit more cynical and I don't ever call anyone names..
While I totally respect your passion on the abortion issue and how it effects women, now that it is in the hands of each state, do you have any plans to help enact laws in the THIRTEEN most restrictive states? I would consider helping out, in some way as well, just let us know...
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/state-state-breakdown-abortion-stands-after-ballot-initiatives/story?id=115730446
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Get ready for an onslaught of FOXNEWS. Soon they will be the #1 news source. MSNBC, CNN, and likes will be censored.
I find myself letting out primal screams on occasion. |
Only the older demographics (60-80 yrs) are watching news on television these days according to the metrics. We're seeing something similar with sports moving to streaming services now. TNT will no longer have their license next year, which is insane to me because they consistently have the best presentation and most entertaining content. The smart networks are prioritizing a social media presence, although google, youtube and facebook still heavily promote MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo and most left leaning sources. Not a surprise that 90 some percent of the Kamala coverage was positive, while most of the Trump coverage was negative.
The future is in podcasting, influencers, live streaming, etc. This is why Chris Wallace just left CNN to start his own podcast, and you know what? I might actually watch it if he's not a total tool the way Dana Bash, Joy Reid or Bret Baier are. Those assclowns serve their billion dollar fiduciaries and sponsors and couldn't care less about the struggles of the working man. We need more Lex Friedmans and less ideologues like Anderson Coopers. This is the only way the democratic party wins back the popular vote.
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Query, Are you a right winger?
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| unleasHell wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | | You're the same guy who just made an unfunny, inappropriate joke about Putin, Trump and abortion a couple of pages back. |
To put my comment in context; I made my post in regards to YOUR post about "Trump being fully under Putin's control". Which was also unfunny, inappropriate and false... My posts seem to be a bit more cynical and I don't ever call anyone names..
While I totally respect your passion on the abortion issue and how it effects women, now that it is in the hands of each state, do you have any plans to help enact laws in the THIRTEEN most restrictive states? I would consider helping out, in some way as well, just let us know...
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/state-state-breakdown-abortion-stands-after-ballot-initiatives/story?id=115730446 |
Trump and Putin are linked. To deny that is ridiculous. We've posted several announcements from the Russian government in the last few days that makes that perfectly clear. How about you read those pages before you hypocritically project your ignorance onto me? It's insulting. And your understanding of women's reproductive health care is practically zilch. So keep your mansplaining and "jokes" about the threat women face to yourself. Or at least stop responding to my posts. You are already half-way to trolldom and I try to ignore you. Feel free to do the same. |
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| jodeke wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Get ready for an onslaught of FOXNEWS. Soon they will be the #1 news source. MSNBC, CNN, and likes will be censored.
I find myself letting out primal screams on occasion. |
Only the older demographics (60-80 yrs) are watching news on television these days according to the metrics. We're seeing something similar with sports moving to streaming services now. TNT will no longer have their license next year, which is insane to me because they consistently have the best presentation and most entertaining content. The smart networks are prioritizing a social media presence, although google, youtube and facebook still heavily promote MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo and most left leaning sources. Not a surprise that 90 some percent of the Kamala coverage was positive, while most of the Trump coverage was negative.
The future is in podcasting, influencers, live streaming, etc. This is why Chris Wallace just left CNN to start his own podcast, and you know what? I might actually watch it if he's not a total tool the way Dana Bash, Joy Reid or Bret Baier are. Those assclowns serve their billion dollar fiduciaries and sponsors and couldn't care less about the struggles of the working man. We need more Lex Friedmans and less ideologues like Anderson Coopers. This is the only way the democratic party wins back the popular vote.
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Query, Are you a right winger? |
It depends on the definition of "right wing". I was what you'd call a "far left" socialist and hardcore Bernie supporter 5-6 years ago and have slowly moved to the center, if not center left since then. I'm still very much a registered democrat in a deep blue state, but I voted differently this time around. I like hearing all voices, and I found myself agreeing with the other side in this election more often than not. To stay on topic, John Fetterman was just on Rogan for 2 hours, and I commend him for it. This is how you win back the popular sentiment.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: |
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
Yup. The opposite end of the horseshoe is the jump into the crackpot space, where left and right meld somewhat easily because both at this level are reactionary and not exactly reality or reason based.
Fwiw, Rogan is just the dude bro version of Infowars. Unapologetically self serving and sensitive to criticism, while eager to adopt any conspiracy theory or pseudoscience.
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| Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Get ready for an onslaught of FOXNEWS. Soon they will be the #1 news source. MSNBC, CNN, and likes will be censored.
I find myself letting out primal screams on occasion. |
Only the older demographics (60-80 yrs) are watching news on television these days according to the metrics. We're seeing something similar with sports moving to streaming services now. TNT will no longer have their license next year, which is insane to me because they consistently have the best presentation and most entertaining content. The smart networks are prioritizing a social media presence, although google, youtube and facebook still heavily promote MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo and most left leaning sources. Not a surprise that 90 some percent of the Kamala coverage was positive, while most of the Trump coverage was negative.
The future is in podcasting, influencers, live streaming, etc. This is why Chris Wallace just left CNN to start his own podcast, and you know what? I might actually watch it if he's not a total tool the way Dana Bash, Joy Reid or Bret Baier are. Those assclowns serve their billion dollar fiduciaries and sponsors and couldn't care less about the struggles of the working man. We need more Lex Friedmans and less ideologues like Anderson Coopers. This is the only way the democratic party wins back the popular vote.
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Query, Are you a right winger? |
It depends on the definition of "right wing". I was what you'd call a "far left" socialist and hardcore Bernie supporter 5-6 years ago and have slowly moved to the center, if not center left since then. I'm still very much a registered democrat in a deep blue state, but I voted differently this time around. I like hearing all voices, and I found myself agreeing with the other side in this election more often than not. To stay on topic, John Fetterman was just on Rogan for 2 hours, and I commend him for it. This is how you win back the popular sentiment. |
I don't put much stock in Rogan. Joy Reid is more to my liking. If you moved right because of the misinformation you are one of those who will be the destruction of democracy. Trump will privatize as much as possible so he and his billionaire friend will prosper. If you or any friends are federal employees your employment is in jeopardy. He wants to hire his cronies for federal jobs. He's shown he will ignore the Constitution. He stacked the deck to make him an autocratic leader. If you don't see the damage that will be done to middle and lower-class citizens and our freedoms I don't think we have much in common.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: |
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I'm generally pro-pharma in most respects. I've taken life saving medications, and I support companies that do studies the right way. However, the vaccine manufacturers and CDC did everything they could to destroy their credibility during covid. Rogan was just capitalizing on the anti-vax hysteria at the time, but he wasn't the progenitor of it. They lied about the efficacy of the vaccine and told us it would prevent the spread. It turns out the benefit was only marginal and waning at best with each subsequent dose, and the risks were higher than previously reported (myocarditis, fertility issues, allergic reactions, etc). FDA themselves confirmed risk of myocarditis was higher than the risk of covid in males under 40. As usual, they overstated the benefits and downplayed the risks, which should be illegal. There should be third party verification systems and checks and balances so that the conflicts of interest between the CDC, FDA and pharmaceutical companies are minimized. That's one of the reasons RFK Jr amassed a huge following. The manufacturers genuinely did it to themselves and then blamed the people taking the vaccine.
Pharmaceutical companies are still corporations. They are just are guilty as other corporations who do not play by the rules. They should be held accountable when they screw up. This isn't a right wing take. This used to be a left wing take. I used to be a huge fan and reader of ProPublica, which is a left wing advocacy organization. They came out with a massive DollarsForDocs section on their website that detailed payments to doctors from pharmaceutical companies. It turned out many of the doctors I went to were paid thousands by pharma to promote drugs. They were essentially advocating to get rid of that system and get conflicts of interests out of medicine. Today, ProPublica is unrecognizable from who they were before. This is one of the reason why I do not support them anymore.
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When even Exxon Mobil thinks Trump has gone too far if pulls out of Paris climate agreement for a second time:
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New: Oil giant ExxonMobil opposes President-elect Donald Trump’s plans to pull out of the Paris climate agreement, a company spokesperson told CNN in a statement.
“A second US exit from the Paris climate agreement will have profound implications for the United States’ efforts to reduce its own emissions and for international efforts to combat climate change,” an ExxonMobil spokesperson told CNN in a statement. “We advocate for policy that accounts for security, affordability, reliability and environmental stewardship – not drastic changes that could hinder the progress being made today.” |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | When even Exxon Mobil thinks Trump has gone too far if pulls out of Paris climate agreement for a second time:
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New: Oil giant ExxonMobil opposes President-elect Donald Trump’s plans to pull out of the Paris climate agreement, a company spokesperson told CNN in a statement.
“A second US exit from the Paris climate agreement will have profound implications for the United States’ efforts to reduce its own emissions and for international efforts to combat climate change,” an ExxonMobil spokesperson told CNN in a statement. “We advocate for policy that accounts for security, affordability, reliability and environmental stewardship – not drastic changes that could hinder the progress being made today.” |
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| angrypuppy wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | When even Exxon Mobil thinks Trump has gone too far if pulls out of Paris climate agreement for a second time:
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New: Oil giant ExxonMobil opposes President-elect Donald Trump’s plans to pull out of the Paris climate agreement, a company spokesperson told CNN in a statement.
“A second US exit from the Paris climate agreement will have profound implications for the United States’ efforts to reduce its own emissions and for international efforts to combat climate change,” an ExxonMobil spokesperson told CNN in a statement. “We advocate for policy that accounts for security, affordability, reliability and environmental stewardship – not drastic changes that could hinder the progress being made today.” |
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Which means ExxonMobil's investments in renewable energy are going up in smoke, literally and figuratively. |
THAT, is a great response, in part because it did not dawn on me at first read, second, it is likely very close to home.
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| jodeke wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | Denny_Russo wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Get ready for an onslaught of FOXNEWS. Soon they will be the #1 news source. MSNBC, CNN, and likes will be censored.
I find myself letting out primal screams on occasion. |
Only the older demographics (60-80 yrs) are watching news on television these days according to the metrics. We're seeing something similar with sports moving to streaming services now. TNT will no longer have their license next year, which is insane to me because they consistently have the best presentation and most entertaining content. The smart networks are prioritizing a social media presence, although google, youtube and facebook still heavily promote MSNBC, CNN, NYT, WaPo and most left leaning sources. Not a surprise that 90 some percent of the Kamala coverage was positive, while most of the Trump coverage was negative.
The future is in podcasting, influencers, live streaming, etc. This is why Chris Wallace just left CNN to start his own podcast, and you know what? I might actually watch it if he's not a total tool the way Dana Bash, Joy Reid or Bret Baier are. Those assclowns serve their billion dollar fiduciaries and sponsors and couldn't care less about the struggles of the working man. We need more Lex Friedmans and less ideologues like Anderson Coopers. This is the only way the democratic party wins back the popular vote.
I can't help but laugh at the people who say Joe Rogan is some kind of hardcore Trumper. He was and probably still is a left leaning Bernie supporter. He's a hippie. His parents were hippies. He was in favor of Andrew Yang's UBI policy when it was unpopular on both sides. I believe he had no choice but to vote for Trump this time around. What was the alternative? To have youtube censor him after Kamala won? Youtube suppressed and throttled his interviews with conservative leaning people. All voices deserve to be heard. |
Query, Are you a right winger? |
It depends on the definition of "right wing". I was what you'd call a "far left" socialist and hardcore Bernie supporter 5-6 years ago and have slowly moved to the center, if not center left since then. I'm still very much a registered democrat in a deep blue state, but I voted differently this time around. I like hearing all voices, and I found myself agreeing with the other side in this election more often than not. To stay on topic, John Fetterman was just on Rogan for 2 hours, and I commend him for it. This is how you win back the popular sentiment. |
I don't put much stock in Rogan. Joy Reid is more to my liking. If you moved right because of the misinformation you are one of those who will be the destruction of democracy. Trump will privatize as much as possible so he and his billionaire friend will prosper. If you or any friends are federal employees your employment is in jeopardy. He wants to hire his cronies for federal jobs. He's shown he will ignore the Constitution. He stacked the deck to make him an autocratic leader. If you don't see the damage that will be done to middle and lower-class citizens and our freedoms I don't think we have much in common. |
That's the thing my friend- most people and even the moderates despise Joy Reid, but she is one of the prominent voices in the democratic party, and people listen to her. Although the same applies to garbage and warmongering conservative personalities like Mark Levin or Hannity, they do not hold a monopoly in conservative discourse. This puts the "right wing" at an immediate advantage in the next 4 years to spread their influence, even if you perceive it as misinformation.
I'd be curious to see who emerges in the vacuum of democratic leadership right now. We need more prominent democratic voices who appeal to young males, moderates and normie voters. There is an incredible opportunity right now to fill that void. I used to like David Pakman, but he went completely unhinged and became pro-authoritarian after covid. I used to like The Young Turks, but they focused more on bashing Trump than lifting up democrats. I'd be willing to listen to a fresh voice, and we definitely need one. And I'm no fan of Rogan either. I just like some of the guests he interviews from time to time.
Look for people like Anna Kasparian to branch off and start their own media companies and podcasts. People say she's been "redpilled" as of late, but I disagree. She will stick to her guns and support the democratic party, and I'm here for it. It's personalities like her that will bring people back. Too bad the media will be at odds with them again.
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| unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I don't listen to Rogan, so I can't comment on any of the views you say he has, but didn't he wait until like one day before the election to endorse Trump, not sure how helpful that actually was...(?) |
That is correct, Rogan endorsed Trump literally 2-3 days before the election.
But hey lets leave out the facts since it doesn't fit the narrative.
Rogan was in cahoots with Trump since last year, that sounds better. Eventho Rogan endorsed RFK Jr. but we will ignore that too!!! |
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I'm sure people know this, but I just wanted to put it out there, when trying to control or reduce the cost of medicines, it might not be as simple as the Govt. "forcing" a company to lower the price.
Especially if the company has invested many years of research and trials, this can cost them millions of dollars. I think their expectation is to recoup their research dollars in a reasonable amount of time.
For example, if they charging $100 per prescription equates to a 5 year payback and charging $10 a prescription equates to a 50 year payback, then theoretically, they could make more money by investing in the stock market, then companies may curtail their future medicine research, which would result LESS medicines being developed and available, resulting in more pain, suffering or deaths!
I had a co-worker several years ago who developed some rare cancer, when I asked him about treatments, he said it was so rare, that no companies were even doing research on it, sadly, he died with about 3 years...
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| LakerFan1987 wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I don't listen to Rogan, so I can't comment on any of the views you say he has, but didn't he wait until like one day before the election to endorse Trump, not sure how helpful that actually was...(?) |
That is correct, Rogan endorsed Trump literally 2-3 days before the election.
But hey lets leave out the facts since it doesn't fit the narrative.
Rogan was in cahoots with Trump since last year, that sounds better. Eventho Rogan endorsed RFK Jr. but we will ignore that too!!! |
That wasn’t the first time he expressed his support for Trump (and he has been saying he couldn’t get behind Harris since she became the candidate). It was simply the first formal endorsement.
But nice try.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I don't listen to Rogan, so I can't comment on any of the views you say he has, but didn't he wait until like one day before the election to endorse Trump, not sure how helpful that actually was...(?) |
That is correct, Rogan endorsed Trump literally 2-3 days before the election.
But hey lets leave out the facts since it doesn't fit the narrative.
Rogan was in cahoots with Trump since last year, that sounds better. Eventho Rogan endorsed RFK Jr. but we will ignore that too!!! |
That wasn’t the first time he expressed his support for Trump (and he has been saying he couldn’t get behind Harris since she became the candidate). It was simply the first formal endorsement.
But nice try. |
Don't ya think Rogan waited to see if Kamala was gonna come on his show and when it was obvious that she wasn't he went ahead and endorsed Trump?
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| unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I don't listen to Rogan, so I can't comment on any of the views you say he has, but didn't he wait until like one day before the election to endorse Trump, not sure how helpful that actually was...(?) |
That is correct, Rogan endorsed Trump literally 2-3 days before the election.
But hey lets leave out the facts since it doesn't fit the narrative.
Rogan was in cahoots with Trump since last year, that sounds better. Eventho Rogan endorsed RFK Jr. but we will ignore that too!!! |
That wasn’t the first time he expressed his support for Trump (and he has been saying he couldn’t get behind Harris since she became the candidate). It was simply the first formal endorsement.
But nice try. |
Don't ya think Rogan waited to see if Kamala was gonna come on his show and when it was obvious that she wasn't he went ahead and endorsed Trump? |
This is what I remember hearing contemporaneously.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/04/politics/joe-rogan-trump-endorsement/index.html
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| Lets be honest. Donald J. Trump is picking the worst people possible to be in charge of these institutions because they are hell bent on taking them apart. They are the same anti-government types that hate the government and are basically doing far more damage than any foreign government could ever dream of in America's internal affairs. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Lets be honest. Donald J. Trump is picking the worst people possible to be in charge of these institutions because they are hell bent on taking them apart. They are the same anti-government types that hate the government and are basically doing far more damage than any foreign government could ever dream of in America's internal affairs. |
It's going to be 4 years of hell. Not sure why MAGAidiots think its going to be a better America. How so? Ship people back to their countries, get rid of education, get rid of healthcare, get rid of basic rights?
Sounds like fun. Ignorant people that voted for him will see what they voted for. |
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He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare.
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| Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Crazier than RFK Jr as a health czar?
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