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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Lets be honest. Donald J. Trump is picking the worst people possible to be in charge of these institutions because they are hell bent on taking them apart. They are the same anti-government types that hate the government and are basically doing far more damage than any foreign government could ever dream of in America's internal affairs. |
I said I wasn't going to post this again but DAMN!🤬
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.
Voters elected this idiot. We're in deep Doo-Doo.
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| governator wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Crazier than RFK Jr as a health czar? |
Is that a joke is that real? Re: RFK Jr? |
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| strong9 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Crazier than RFK Jr as a health czar? |
Is that a joke is that real? Re: RFK Jr? |
It's for (sur)real.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | strong9 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Crazier than RFK Jr as a health czar? |
Is that a joke is that real? Re: RFK Jr? |
It's for (sur)real. |
Holy @#$% |
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Translation: CORRUPTION ON STEROIDS. They will turn the entire government into a cash register to loot for themselves and their rich benefactors. And of course the Criminal-In-Chief will get a cut of everything, just like a Mob Boss. Putin 2.0
| Quote: | Republicans against Trump @RpsAgainstTrump
NEW: Donald Trump announces that Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy will lead the Department of Government Efficiency:
“Together, these two wonderful Americans will pave the way for my Administration to dismantle Government Bureaucracy, slash excess regulations, cut wasteful expenditures, and restructure Federal Agencies," Trump said in a statement. |
| Quote: | Ruth Ben-Ghiat @ruthbenghiat
They will be highly efficient at enriching themselves and their cronies and allowing plunderers of the earth & labor force to reach new heights of exploitation. |
Hint: "Wasteful expenditures" means anything that benefits the little people like Social Security, Medicare, poverty programs, Medicaid, SNAP program, ACA subsidies, etc etc etc.
And oh by the way, ALL OF THIS WAS LAYED OUT IN PROJECT 2025.
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jodeke
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| strong9 wrote: | | governator wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Crazier than RFK Jr as a health czar? |
Is that a joke is that real? Re: RFK Jr? |
It's rumored.
Politics
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. could be on short list for HHS secretary, Trump allies say
By Alexander Tin
November 8, 2024 / 10:06 PM EST / CBS News
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| Wild to have the head of the biggest social media in your cabinet. It is hard to imagine a bigger conflict of interest |
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| Theseus wrote: | | Wild to have the head of the biggest social media in your cabinet. It is hard to imagine a bigger conflict of interest |
He can be forced to do a tax deferred sale of any company that is deemed a conflict. I don’t think that’s a worry for X since it has plummeted in value, but maybe some of his more valuable companies. |
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| unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | LakerFan1987 wrote: | | unleasHell wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Rogan has stated himself he supports Trump and voted for him. He's the perfect example of the fact that the political spectrum is a circle and not a line, The further one goes away from that top of the circle that is centrist, both the Left and the Right meet up again at the bottom. Rogan espouses all the same nonsense Trump does about Covid, Vaccines, the Anti-Trans (bleep) . . . the list goes on. |
I don't listen to Rogan, so I can't comment on any of the views you say he has, but didn't he wait until like one day before the election to endorse Trump, not sure how helpful that actually was...(?) |
That is correct, Rogan endorsed Trump literally 2-3 days before the election.
But hey lets leave out the facts since it doesn't fit the narrative.
Rogan was in cahoots with Trump since last year, that sounds better. Eventho Rogan endorsed RFK Jr. but we will ignore that too!!! |
That wasn’t the first time he expressed his support for Trump (and he has been saying he couldn’t get behind Harris since she became the candidate). It was simply the first formal endorsement.
But nice try. |
Don't ya think Rogan waited to see if Kamala was gonna come on his show and when it was obvious that she wasn't he went ahead and endorsed Trump? |
I don't think his endorsement is because the person came on his show, that is giving him even less credit than we are by saying he aligns with Trump more ideologically.
It was pretty clear to anyone who has paid attention to Rogan over these past couple of years that he was supporting Trump. Since Covid he went back to being very conspiratorial, but his coverage started to get really one-sided. The old "I am not aligned with anyone" but only really criticizing one side's politicians. He often has guests on who aren't political people, and will rant to them about left wing issues, and ask them for their takes on niche culture war topics.
Remember when he was making fun of Biden because he thought Biden said some quote about airports in the revolutionary war. He kept talking about how bad that was, and proof of Biden's dementia. Then when it was pointed out it was Trump who said that, he said "oh well he just misspoke" and moved on.
Rogan thought their was kitty litter in schools. Just one of the many cultural war things he seems to be really fixated on.
Rogan strikes me as a guy who used to be very curious, and that is why a lot of people really got into his show. Somewhere along the way he seems to have become very fearful of it. |
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| Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Too bad the Republican Senate has no guts or they'd refuse to confirm, just like when W tried to appoint Harriet Miers. |
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Per WSJ - Trump is drafting an executive order to set up a panel to PURGE US GENERALS. This is a precursor to his taking over the military.
| Quote: | Amy McGrath @AmyMcGrathKY
Everybody says he can’t do something like this… until he does. |
link to screenshot of WSJ headline |
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The goal of Trump is simply to break any hold the rules would have on him, but for his handlers (thiel musk Putin mbs etc) the goal is to break the US system, while for the project 2025ers the goal is to break the secular system, and for the American oligarchs the goal is to break the regulatory state.
All of those cross over in places and conflict in others. Currently it looks like a mix of Russian style blow up the system and 2025 style are some theocracy. But that policy will anger the American corporate oligarchs so we will see
TLDR version, it’s going to be an unpredictable (bleep) show
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| unleasHell wrote: | | tox wrote: | One thing I'm worried about is the Democrats overcorrecting. People think immigration is such a great issue for Trump but it wasn't in the 2020 election. Here's a source per Pew. (BTW, note how even in 2020 voters preferred Trump on the economy!)
What changed is that voters did not like the amount of migration during the first ~3.5 years of Biden's presidency, so they decided they like Trump better. Once Trump does anything remotely like mass deportation and see what it looks like in practice, they'll be reminded that they hate Trump on immigration too. To say nothing about family separation and other inhuman stuff Trump will feel emboldened to do. The key is not to swing so far in the opposite direction as Democrats did in 2020, which not only didn't work as policy but was a disaster politically.
I'm personally starting to wonder if incumbency is a liability because you're the face of an unpopular system and people are just not happy post-GFC. The exception is Obama who faced the most establishment opponent in 2012 |
You make some great points and I agree with all of it and will add my 4 cents (up from 2 cents due to inflation).
The worst thing Biden did was to unilaterally undo all of the Border-related that Trump had in place, ON DAY ONE! Now, it appears he may have thought (hoped), this would force Congress to pass his Border Bill. The Bill was presented as Border protection Bill, but people voting against it (which included a number of Democrats), did not like the Amnesty/quick-path-to-citizenship parts of it. It also gave Biden/Harris/Media/Democrats the ammunition to blame Trump for it failing (even though he was NOT in office)!
What Biden should have done, is determine which parts of the executive orders worked and were worth retaining and which ones needed change, BEFORE reversing all of them. This showed a total lack of incompetence on his part!
As a contrast, Trump (when he ran in 2016) continually bad-mouthed Obamacare and even said he would get rid of it, but when he got into office, he INVESTIGATED it first, and did NOT get rid of it (since it was good & working) so he supposedly tweaked it a bit.
As an independent, one of the worst things I see in politics is the idea that Dems and Reps AUTOMATICALLY feel they need to take the opposite view as their opponents. INSTEAD of what is best for the people/nation!
The official Immigration numbers put out by the government show something like 435,000 Immigrants with CRIMINAL records were allowed into the US. This does NOT include all the got-a-ways (people who entered illegally). My guess is that these are going to be the main targets of the Trump deportation team. Not the other 10 million immigrants that also entered the country during this fiasco!
https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/border-crime/ice-released-over-435000-migrants-with-criminal-convictions-data-shows/ |
You lost me with Obamacare. Trump absolutely tried to get rid of it, that was the source of the iconic John McCain thumbs down moment. Did you forget that?
As for immigration, we'll see. I think the whole "immigrations with criminal records" is total fear mongering. Crime is down (notice how no one talks about it) even when immigration was up until July. Locking up the border is good politics generally speaking (note that Mexico is doing the vast majority of that for us). Whatever Trump does beyond that is not good politics. We should probably add that most of the immigrants who entered during the Biden administration came legally, it's rather that the asylum process itself is broken. I'm not even sure it's legal to deport them, and attempting to do so will be a (bleep). Most (actually) illegal immigrants have been here for a while so good luck removing people who are integrated into the US economy |
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| ChefLinda wrote: | Per WSJ - Trump is drafting an executive order to set up a panel to PURGE US GENERALS. This is a precursor to his taking over the military.
| Quote: | Amy McGrath @AmyMcGrathKY
Everybody says he can’t do something like this… until he does. |
link to screenshot of WSJ headline |
If this isn't how you get fascism then someone needs to define fascism for me and tell me why it isn't that. The structure of our military is one of the best things about it, unilaterally getting rid of generals to pick your own is insane. |
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I admire everyone in this thread who has pushed forward after last Tuesday.
My heart just isn't in it since then.
Trump's first 4 years, you couldn't find someone more plugged in to the comings and goings than me.
But I don't have it in me to for the second round.
I will still encourage people to vote 2 and 4 years from now.
But the energy I had in the past to track the cluster (bleep) and push people towards understanding progressive policy is in their own best interest (economically, socially, domestically, foreign affairs, etc.).
That energy, is gone. I'm not even interested in telling people, "I told you so" when a Trump voter inevitably complains that Trump's hurting the country (in the future).
I probably will laugh at Trumpers in red states who suffer the most though. Living in Los Angeles, CA. I'll be protected from Trump's Presidency as much as (if not more than) anywhere else in the country.
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Haven't watched a second of cable news since election day. I check twitter a couple times a day, though I will probably migrate to the bluesky thing soon.
This thread is the most political thing I follow.
Plan is to disengage as much as possible from politics, find new hobbies, watch more shows and movies, and hope we'll survive the incoming calamity.
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| Theseus wrote: | | ChefLinda wrote: | Per WSJ - Trump is drafting an executive order to set up a panel to PURGE US GENERALS. This is a precursor to his taking over the military.
| Quote: | Amy McGrath @AmyMcGrathKY
Everybody says he can’t do something like this… until he does. |
link to screenshot of WSJ headline |
If this isn't how you get fascism then someone needs to define fascism for me and tell me why it isn't that. The structure of our military is one of the best things about it, unilaterally getting rid of generals to pick your own is insane. |
Only the best of Hitler's generals will make the cut. |
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| Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
Let's leave out the part where Mr. Pete Hegseth graduated from that tiny Ivy league school Princeton, got a masters at HARVARD.
Oh he's also served in the US Army with a rank of Major. Got a couple of medals and various commendations.
BUT yeah he's a Fox News guy, lets just mention that LOL
Anyways I would have liked Tulsi Gabbard in this role but oh well. |
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None of that stuff is worth mentioning because none of that qualifies him to be the leader of the largest employer within the federal government and doesn't really stand out among thousands of people that have that same background. The only reason he was picked is because he is a Fox News host that sucked up to Trump for years. That's it.
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| Going to Harvard doesn't make you a good person. I mean Steve Bannon went to Harvard....... |
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| Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
As opposed to the current guy leading the Pentagon who allows Chinese spy balloons to fly over the country, botched the Afghan withdrawal which led to 13 service member deaths, built a $200+ million dollar pier in Gaza that sank within a month(and killed an American), and has our country involved in two overseas wars which have cost nearly $200 billion? Oh yeah and didn’t tell his boss about his cancer and hospitalization when people were looking for him.
I think I’ll take my chances with the Fox News guy. |
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| george w kush wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
As opposed to the current guy leading the Pentagon who allows Chinese spy balloons to fly over the country, botched the Afghan withdrawal which led to 13 service member deaths, built a $200+ million dollar pier in Gaza that sank within a month(and killed an American), and has our country involved in two overseas wars which have cost nearly $200 billion? Oh yeah and didn’t tell his boss about his cancer and hospitalization when people were looking for him.
I think I’ll take my chances with the Fox News guy. |
Of course you will. You'd probably cheer for a monkey being appointed. |
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| george w kush wrote: | | Wilt wrote: | He apparently picked some Fox News host to lead the Pentagon.
This is going to be a nightmare. |
As opposed to the current guy leading the Pentagon who allows Chinese spy balloons to fly over the country, botched the Afghan withdrawal which led to 13 service member deaths, built a $200+ million dollar pier in Gaza that sank within a month(and killed an American), and has our country involved in two overseas wars which have cost nearly $200 billion? Oh yeah and didn’t tell his boss about his cancer and hospitalization when people were looking for him.
I think I’ll take my chances with the Fox News guy. |
Like, something is seriously off with you bud...Every single defense secretary has some deaths of service members on their watch. This is just trolling at this point. You DO understand that anyone here, could write 10 page essays, on all the mistakes Trump and his (bleep) cabinet members made over his disaster presidency right?!
Only a true and utter moron would think a Fox spews host is a good choice for defense secretary. Guess what Einstein? this isn't normal, and specifically the ECONOMY, is where goobers such as yourself, are gonna feel the pain of these stupid picks...
I already switched my index funds to bonds...thats how stupid I think your guy is.
You'll find out soon enough.
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| Wilt wrote: | Haven't watched a second of cable news since election day. I check twitter a couple times a day, though I will probably migrate to the bluesky thing soon.
This thread is the most political thing I follow.
Plan is to disengage as much as possible from politics, find new hobbies, watch more shows and movies, and hope we'll survive the incoming calamity. |
Yeah, I'm on Bluesky now as well...It looks to be building quick!
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