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| slavavov wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Am I the only one who's taken any stock in Bill Maher saying once Trump gets the office again he won't give it up?
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He'll want to and likely will try, but it will have to be a coup. So the first question is, will the Republican Party, their constituents, and the military be willing to foment a violent coup for Donald, Elon, and the rest of the plutocrats? The second, and more important, why? |
Given that Trumps has the SCOTUS in his back pocket, a GOP controlled house and Senate that is willing to do literally anything to utilize his influence and a Democratic Party that is currently impotent to all of that, I wouldn't overestimate the need for a violent coup involving the military. The Republicans have all the weapons they need to end democracy without involving those from the military. |
That's what scares the hell out of me. Has it occurred to Repuklicans that the end of Democracy could mean the end of the Repuklican party? |
we all know how the white house ages you.Have you heard him in his most recent interviews? I will be shocked if he makes 4 years - and if he does, he will be a walking skinsuit and nothing more. |
Trump is fat, has a bad diet, doesn't sleep and never works out, but he's in good health. He seems to be one of those people whose body can withstand plenty of self-inflicted abuse. I'm sure he'll make it another four years. |
I could see the possibility physically, but that dude's cognitive decline is getting pretty rapid (not that you'd get that from the media . . .)
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | slavavov wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Am I the only one who's taken any stock in Bill Maher saying once Trump gets the office again he won't give it up?
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He'll want to and likely will try, but it will have to be a coup. So the first question is, will the Republican Party, their constituents, and the military be willing to foment a violent coup for Donald, Elon, and the rest of the plutocrats? The second, and more important, why? |
Given that Trumps has the SCOTUS in his back pocket, a GOP controlled house and Senate that is willing to do literally anything to utilize his influence and a Democratic Party that is currently impotent to all of that, I wouldn't overestimate the need for a violent coup involving the military. The Republicans have all the weapons they need to end democracy without involving those from the military. |
That's what scares the hell out of me. Has it occurred to Repuklicans that the end of Democracy could mean the end of the Repuklican party? |
we all know how the white house ages you.Have you heard him in his most recent interviews? I will be shocked if he makes 4 years - and if he does, he will be a walking skinsuit and nothing more. |
Trump is fat, has a bad diet, doesn't sleep and never works out, but he's in good health. He seems to be one of those people whose body can withstand plenty of self-inflicted abuse. I'm sure he'll make it another four years. |
I could see the possibility physically, but that dude's cognitive decline is getting pretty rapid (not that you'd get that from the media . . .) |
Of course he's been experiencing symptoms of cognitive decline or possibly even dementia. But obviously his people will cover for him and trick his dumb followers into thinking everything is OK with him.
Trump can be in the early stages of dementia and no one will care, but when Biden experiences slow signs of normal aging, everyone has some sort of moral panic.
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| Quote: | Sam Stein @samstein
Trump tells Time he's not sure he can get the price of groceries down:
"It's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard." |
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Trump tells Time he's not sure he can get the price of groceries down:
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A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Am I the only one who's taken any stock in Bill Maher saying once Trump gets the office again he won't give it up?
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He'll want to and likely will try, but it will have to be a coup. So the first question is, will the Republican Party, their constituents, and the military be willing to foment a violent coup for Donald, Elon, and the rest of the plutocrats? The second, and more important, why? |
Given that Trumps has the SCOTUS in his back pocket, a GOP controlled house and Senate that is willing to do literally anything to utilize his influence and a Democratic Party that is currently impotent to all of that, I wouldn't overestimate the need for a violent coup involving the military. The Republicans have all the weapons they need to end democracy without involving those from the military. |
That's what scares the hell out of me. Has it occurred to Repuklicans that the end of Democracy could mean the end of the Repuklican party? |
we all know how the white house ages you.Have you heard him in his most recent interviews? I will be shocked if he makes 4 years - and if he does, he will be a walking skinsuit and nothing more. |
It ages presidents who work and take the job seriously. Trump played golf and ate Mickey D's all day. He didn't get to the Oval until noon many days. He spent the shortest hours each day at the job, just over six hours a day. The office won't age him. His diet and lack of exercise will be his bane.
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| bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”.
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc.
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| Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
On the surface anyway. They remind me of a survey where people were asked whether they supported or opposed Obamacare. Those who did not were asked if they would support an alternative, and were given all the elements of Obamacare. Most of them said yes. Then they were told they just agreed with Obamacare, and were asked the first question again. Virtually none switched.
Humans don’t mostly operate by logic, or often even by the thing they think is the priority.
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| Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
They did so despite there was no evidence he would do those things; no policies or history to support it, and in fact the one policy he did mention (tariffs) is guaranteed to make things worse.
Meantime, Harris laid out numerous plans and policies that would combat several things on the financial front that would definitely improving things.
There’s a reason Trump voters ignored all of that and voted for a despicable guy who was promising to tear apart democracy and destroy social programs that benefit American citizens. That reason had nothing to do with the price of eggs; whether or not they, or anyone else, realizes if or will admit it. You don’t vote against your own stick interests if you aren’t intent on making sure the people tgat differ from you suffer more.
It was never about the economy, as everything since the election proves.
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| ChefLinda wrote: | | Quote: | Sam Stein @samstein
Trump tells Time he's not sure he can get the price of groceries down:
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As all great presidents say, "I can't do it, it's hard" |
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Kari Lake, really?
She is the biggest, dumbest, MAGA idiot ever...next to MTG and Boebert.
Wow, his picks are all time suckiest picks of all time.
They will need their own section in the history books called "historically bad picks of positions in the Trump 2nd Administration" |
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| Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
Am I too cynical? In my eyes, the price of eggs is an excuse. I reason Trump was elected by closet racists. He opened the door and made being a racist OK. Look at the unfiltered stances supporting it. Racism is more ingrained than I imagined and it's going to get worse. In my eyes, Trump is a modern-day George Wallace.
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| Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
Some of those people posted in this thread. And said we were attacking them when we asked them to explain why they think Trump would do that. And how?
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| Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
So they may not be racists, but they are just stupid and naive.
Their stupidity is also reinforced and normalized by a mainstream media that never actually explains how the economy works and by mainstream journalists that never ask Trump the right questions to expose his political grift when they get to interview him. Deflation across the entire economy, even if Trump were going to somehow accomplish that with magical policies that he never actually explained, would also result in an economic calamity.
Something that always worried me, even when the polls were tied, was that Trump was always leading on the economy, meaning that many voters that said they were voting for Kamala Harris still trusted him more on the economy. The media has fed that narrative for decades, which is that Republicans are better for the economy, even though the facts literally say the opposite.
That's why I don't put most of the blame on the Harris campaign on the loss. They did everything they could, but they relied on an uniformed, reactionary electorate that decides elections and a media that just didn't want to cover Trump for the authoritarian, incompetent, grifting madman he is.
Assuming we have free elections in the future, the only way the political direction of this country will change is after massive numbers of Trump voters suffer and directly attribute their suffering to Trump. But even that is not guaranteed. |
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Not sure if anyone posted this, but my (Reagan Republican) dad had CNN on of all things and they posted a quote from Trump where he shows he actually doesn't give one (bleep) about the trans issue one way or another:
| Quote: | “I don’t want to get into the bathroom issue,” Trump told Time. “Because it’s a very small number of people we’re talking about, and it’s ripped apart our country, so they’ll have to settle whatever the law finally agrees.”
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Obviously "demagoguing against a vulnerable minority to win votes" is so far down Trump's list of issues that it barely even registers in his 1000 greatest hits. In any case, I hope this turns the temperature down and we can let trans people exist in peace.
Side note: Just gonna ignore the fact that "have to settle whatever the law finally agrees" makes literally no sense and were it Biden who said that, we'd have had 35 articles written within an hour |
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| Wilt wrote: | | Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
So they may not be racists, but they are just stupid and naive.
Their stupidity is also reinforced and normalized by a mainstream media that never actually explains how the economy works and by mainstream journalists that never ask Trump the right questions to expose his political grift when they get to interview him. Deflation across the entire economy, even if Trump were going to somehow accomplish that with magical policies that he never actually explained, would also result in an economic calamity.
Something that always worried me, even when the polls were tied, was that Trump was always leading on the economy, meaning that many voters that said they were voting for Kamala Harris still trusted him more on the economy. The media has fed that narrative for decades, which is that Republicans are better for the economy, even though the facts literally say the opposite.
That's why I don't put most of the blame on the Harris campaign on the loss. They did everything they could, but they relied on an uniformed, reactionary electorate that decides elections and a media that just didn't want to cover Trump for the authoritarian, incompetent, grifting madman he is.
Assuming we have free elections in the future, the only way the political direction of this country will change is after massive numbers of Trump voters suffer and directly attribute their suffering to Trump. But even that is not guaranteed. |
I think it's pretty clear Kamala ran a good campaign, it's why her margin in swing states "only" shifted 3 points relative to 2020, whereas nationwide it shifted 6 points. Of course Kamala herself was unpopular, probably due to some combination of ties to the Biden administration, her 2019 policy positions, racism, and sexism.
With that said, while there is probably some institutional advantage that Republicans have on Democrats on the economy, IMO the bigger advantage is Trump-specific:
1) Voters liked the 2019 economy (and don't blame him for the 2020 COVID economy)
2) Trump has a reputation as a successful billionaire businessman, and people think that means he has a good economic background.
There's literally nothing any Democrat could've done to be seen as better on the economy than Trump. People are stupid and you will simply never reason someone out of an opinion they didn't reason themselves into.
If Trump actually enacts economic chaos via tariffs & deportation, voters will be nostalgic for Biden's economy in 2024 (but, what they understand Biden's economy to mean will be a separate question). |
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Insurance companies want your premium money but are hesitant in giving the coverages you pay for. The Rainmaker
Doctors are raising alarm about insurance company’s plan to put time limit on coverage for anesthesia during surgery
By Deidre McPhillips, CNN
4 minute read
Published 10:27 AM EST, Thu December 5, 2024
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FWIW I chatted with my close friend who's an anesthesiology resident. He went into medicine to help people and somewhere along the way he got jaded and realized how much med school / residency has paused his life in terms of life milestones.
Anyway, I talked to him about this and he basically acknowledged that, like, yeah what Anthem was going to do was basically stiff anesthesiologists so that insurance pays less. Basically doing what health insurance is supposed to do. My friend was opposed because he didn't want anesthesiologists to earn less, and because he felt doctors broadly did not overstate procedure lengths to get paid more. Here's an article that probably was shared on this thread already. Being so deferential to doctors will necessarily lead to overpays.
Anyway the point is that this was never going to burden patients; if anything this would've dropped their premiums. I'm most annoyed with the anti-health insurance populist fury because I don't see it being channeled politically into a movement for public option, which is what SHOULD be happening. Maybe this is the fault of our politicians. |
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| Omar Little wrote: | | Heartburn wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | bertrome wrote: | | A big hearty f*** you to the millions of dips*** rubes who seriously thought that con artist was going to bring prices down. |
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The “I’m really worried about the price of eggs” was just a cover for “I really like this lunatic racist and don’t care about democracy”. |
Maybe for some, sure. But for a significant portion of the voting public (at least enough to turn the election), they really thought Trump would lower their overhead costs. Groceries, taxes, rent, etc. |
On the surface anyway. They remind me of a survey where people were asked whether they supported or opposed Obamacare. Those who did not were asked if they would support an alternative, and were given all the elements of Obamacare. Most of them said yes. Then they were told they just agreed with Obamacare, and were asked the first question again. Virtually none switched.
Humans don’t mostly operate by logic, or often even by the thing they think is the priority. |
That's exactly my point. Their entire understanding of the economy is surface-level soundbites. They certainly don't want to be called racists (even if they are), but they most certainly will believe the superficial take that Rs are better at the economic issues that kept their expenses lower even if it was only by a few hundred dollars a year.
Were they wrong? Of course they were. I just don't think every one of the were motivated by racism, misogyny, etc. and used the cover of the price of eggs to vote for racism, misogyny, etc. People are simply that uninformed, naive and willfully dumb that they believed they were addressing their kitchen table issues. And enough of those people voted to swing the election.
Their lack of care where information is concerned may doom us all.
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And yet when white man Biden beat Trump in 2020 people were completely aware that Trump had screwed up COVID and tanked the economy. But then in 2024 they suddenly "forgot" what they knew when the Black Woman was running.
I don't even (bleep) care if it was stupidity, ignorance, apathy or racism/misogyny/bigotry. Their collective narcissism is going to hurt all of us and they were too selfish/greedy/stupid to care that they were hurting others. Either they knew their vote would hurt others and that was the point, or they didn't care that their vote would hurt others because they are selfish.
It's all bad and there are no excuses at this point. They are all in the bucket of deplorables as far as I'm concerned.
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I am starting to believe the righteous indignation is part of the problem. There are no extra points for "being right" if we're not "getting it right."
What Trump and the right do is stoke an emotional flame that goes right to the heart of middle America's basest fears. Fear of others, fear of poverty, fear of losing control. What the middle-left does is point the finger and tell them they're stupid for feeling that way. It's condescending and it forces people to behave in a defensive way...so defensive that they'll act against their own self-interest.
It's clear that info is not going to cut through the noise, especially if that info is being delivered by the same people who just called you idiots. This sub-group of scared Americans is impervious to being educated on the issues by the left because of the way the left has treated them. Paternalistically, disrespectfully, condescendingly.
Let's look at what's happening in the news now with the UHC murder. One thing that ALL Americans agree on is that our medical system is broken and we've all been the victims of insurance companies making it virtually impossible to get the care that we're already paying for. It's an economic issue that is tinged with an emotional reaction. What hay is going to be made out of that? There's a crystallizing moment happening right now. The cynic in me says it'll become an issue that we as a society become inured to in the same way that Columbine, Sandy Hook, came and went without any solution.
If this was something that Rs cared about, they'd be making full use of this to fire up their base. Are Neo-libs or progressives going to do the same?
We keep losing the big ones because we're so focused on being right and doing the right thing in a way that makes us feel better about ourselves. Like giving charity out in public so that everyone can see that we're virtuous people. If the left cares about the result, it's time to change the method(s). Patting ourselves on the back for being on the right side of history isn't enough.
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Look, the rich have always used wedge issues to divide the masses so they could have us pointing fingers while they got rich. It's the story of our country. There have been periods when Democrats controlled government and made changes to curb the rich oligarchs and create some economic fairness for the masses (see FDR and post Depression government). But the rich and their GOP stooges in government have continually chipped away at anything that levels the playing field for regular people -- education, head start, social security, you name it.
This is not the fault of the left or progressive or Democrats.
The billionaires have all the levers of power. They have SCOTUS, Trump and his billionaire appointees, all the media from the LA Times, NYT, Washington Post, Time Magazine, all the Cable Networks. They control Social Media -- hello Elon and Mark.
If you think all this unbalance is due to people on the left figuring this out and saying the truth out loud then I don't know what to tell you.
Our entire culture is out of balance and there are no easy answers.
But I choose to blame the people that caused it and those that are complicit in perpetuating it. The rich, the Republicans and the people who vote for them.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:18 am Post subject: |
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| tox wrote: | Not sure if anyone posted this, but my (Reagan Republican) dad had CNN on of all things and they posted a quote from Trump where he shows he actually doesn't give one (bleep) about the trans issue one way or another:
| Quote: | “I don’t want to get into the bathroom issue,” Trump told Time. “Because it’s a very small number of people we’re talking about, and it’s ripped apart our country, so they’ll have to settle whatever the law finally agrees.”
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Obviously "demagoguing against a vulnerable minority to win votes" is so far down Trump's list of issues that it barely even registers in his 1000 greatest hits. In any case, I hope this turns the temperature down and we can let trans people exist in peace.
Side note: Just gonna ignore the fact that "have to settle whatever the law finally agrees" makes literally no sense and were it Biden who said that, we'd have had 35 articles written within an hour |
Well according to the link below, the US Transgender population is at 1.14%!
https://usafacts.org/articles/what-percentage-of-the-us-population-is-transgender/
Meaning that for 98.86% of the US population this is not a major issue.
If it is for you, then I respect that and I'm not trying to argue...
Just wondering why any Politician from any party would feel it is a priority to focus on any demographic that makes up such a small number?
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