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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:47 pm Post subject:
strong9 wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Not going to be a popular view, but the strike on Iran is probably the first righteous and rational act Israel has done in more than a year. IAEA projects Iran was from days to a few months from sufficient fuel for a nuke, and because Trump screwed the first deal and was incompetently prosecuting a do over, any Israeli commander would likely do this. They had rendered Hezbollah and the Iranian air defenses vulnerable, and had a limited time before that was not the case.
This has no bearing on the evil Israelis doing in Gaza and the West Bank. It does have bearing on why Biden wouldn’t cut Israel off. The key fault line in the Middle East is not Israel vs the Muslim world anymore. That’s a local issue that is mostly a proxy war for the real combatants, Saudi Arabia and Iran. Russia, China, Europe, and the USA make all their decisions, even regarding Israel, via the Saudi Iran conflict, and the us has in fact simultaneously allied with Iran against Saudi Arabia in Iraq while doing the opposite in Yemen. And even bibi and Iran have an arrangement of sorts where neither is going to allow the saudis to gain the upper hand.
The geopolitics of that area are (bleep), mostly because of colonial and post colonial decisions regarding oil, and the only actors worthy of empathy are the multitude of civilians killed by their own or warring factions. Like the US, Israel has been a colonial power for a while, and the east west axis of conflict has always balanced the scales to ensure no victors.
You are right in that you are wrong. An absolutely reckless thing to do regardless of who is right and wrong and history notwithstanding. It puts everyone at risk and conflagaration is not the answer.
Especially given the current history of geopolitics.
Israel going rouge at a time like is beyond reckless. _________________ Code 8647
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:51 pm Post subject:
That’s the problem of being moral but not pragmatic. If Israel yielded to a two state solution and a peaceful restitution of property, it would still need to strike Iran. Because Iran is also a deeply evil actor. Binary reasoning is the Provence of the naive. When you realize there is no pure good or evil actors other than the dispossessed, you realize that only idiots believe binary things. _________________ Hoy por ellos, mañana por nosotros
“You see, in this world, there is one awful thing, and that is that everyone has his reasons“
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:54 pm Post subject:
Once you realize that Israel vs the Palestinians is actually a proxy war for a lot of other interests, you get a very new perspective. Bibi is evil. Trump is evil. Putin is evil. Xi is evil. Iran is evil. The Saudis are evil. _________________ Hoy por ellos, mañana por nosotros
“You see, in this world, there is one awful thing, and that is that everyone has his reasons“
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:05 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
There are no legal or procedural routes to taking back our country. It's gonna come down to social power. Activate the left with the same intensity our opposition does on the right.
Exactly. As backwards as the rightwing is right now societally and socially, they are completely living in the here and now when it comes to leveraging social media. Meanwhile, the Democrats rely on convention and think they are making some huge move by ceremonially calling on Noem to resign.
The battlefield is far bigger than current Dem leadership seems to realize, and the weaponry is changing. _________________ Code 8647
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 10:09 pm Post subject:
Those that can’t do, teach. Those that can’t do or teach, critique. That’s not aimed at anyone. It’s a call to do or teach. _________________ Hoy por ellos, mañana por nosotros
“You see, in this world, there is one awful thing, and that is that everyone has his reasons“
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:59 am Post subject:
Since the 90s Iran has been “days away“ from building a nuclear weapon, according to Israel. I’m a bit cynical about Israel's justification.
But what can ya do. Israel will continue to do what it wants. And we will continue to back them. One of the few issues Dems and Reps are united on.
No matter what Israel does, the biggest consequence they may face is us wagging our finger at them publicly.
Another win for Bibi. He wanted this. That’s why he was against Obama’s Iran deal. And he will never face consequences for the domestic and international laws violated.
Two things of note.
Israel doesn’t have the weaponry to penetrate Iran’s bunkers. But we do.
And this strike was purposefully done after our markets closed for the day. _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 2:47 am Post subject:
Whenever someone tries to convince you Ezra Klein’s “abundance” movement (advocating for deregulation) will fix the housing crisis.
Direct them to this video : _________________ When the world grows. Grow with it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:19 am Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
Since the 90s Iran has been “days away“ from building a nuclear weapon, according to Israel. I’m a bit cynical about Israel's justification.
But what can ya do. Israel will continue to do what it wants. And we will continue to back them. One of the few issues Dems and Reps are united on.
No matter what Israel does, the biggest consequence they may face is us wagging our finger at them publicly.
Another win for Bibi. He wanted this. That’s why he was against Obama’s Iran deal. And he will never face consequences for the domestic and international laws violated.
Two things of note.
Israel doesn’t have the weaponry to penetrate Iran’s bunkers. But we do.
And this strike was purposefully done after our markets closed for the day.
I'm having an exceedingly hard time understanding America's support for whaterver it is Isreal is doing the last couple of years - waging war all over the place. I understand Germany because of their historic guilt, but am getting lost here. Can someone chime in?
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:23 am Post subject:
WTF IS THIS (bleep).. 9th circuit 3 judge panel 2 trumpers one Biden - gave control of the California National Guard back to trump
I'm sick
The hatred is making me ill
Appeals court temporarily lifts judge’s block on Trump’s National Guard deployment TheHill
Quote:
The Trump administration in urging the 9th Circuit to immediately intervene called the judge’s order “unprecedented” and an “extraordinary intrusion” into Trump’s authority.
“That sort of second-guessing of the Commander in Chief’s military judgments is a gross violation of the separation of powers,” the Justice Department wrote in its motion. “Nearly 200 years ago, the Supreme Court made clear that these judgment calls are for the President to make—not a Governor, and certainly not a federal court.”
_________________ ...only one who has tamed himself can get there.”
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 4:42 am Post subject:
Nobody wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Since the 90s Iran has been “days away“ from building a nuclear weapon, according to Israel. I’m a bit cynical about Israel's justification.
But what can ya do. Israel will continue to do what it wants. And we will continue to back them. One of the few issues Dems and Reps are united on.
No matter what Israel does, the biggest consequence they may face is us wagging our finger at them publicly.
Another win for Bibi. He wanted this. That’s why he was against Obama’s Iran deal. And he will never face consequences for the domestic and international laws violated.
Two things of note.
Israel doesn’t have the weaponry to penetrate Iran’s bunkers. But we do.
And this strike was purposefully done after our markets closed for the day.
I'm having an exceedingly hard time understanding America's support for whaterver it is Isreal is doing the last couple of years - waging war all over the place. I understand Germany because of their historic guilt, but am getting lost here. Can someone chime in?
Maybe it's because the alternative would be supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, which would be even worse.
Ideally, we would just support neither side right now, given all the bad things Israel has been doing to innocent people in Gaza. But imo Iran is even more evil, all things considered, so it's a complex thing. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:37 am Post subject:
slavavov wrote:
Nobody wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Since the 90s Iran has been “days away“ from building a nuclear weapon, according to Israel. I’m a bit cynical about Israel's justification.
But what can ya do. Israel will continue to do what it wants. And we will continue to back them. One of the few issues Dems and Reps are united on.
No matter what Israel does, the biggest consequence they may face is us wagging our finger at them publicly.
Another win for Bibi. He wanted this. That’s why he was against Obama’s Iran deal. And he will never face consequences for the domestic and international laws violated.
Two things of note.
Israel doesn’t have the weaponry to penetrate Iran’s bunkers. But we do.
And this strike was purposefully done after our markets closed for the day.
I'm having an exceedingly hard time understanding America's support for whaterver it is Isreal is doing the last couple of years - waging war all over the place. I understand Germany because of their historic guilt, but am getting lost here. Can someone chime in?
Maybe it's because the alternative would be supporting Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, which would be even worse.
Ideally, we would just support neither side right now, given all the bad things Israel has been doing to innocent people in Gaza. But imo Iran is even more evil, all things considered, so it's a complex thing.
The Military Industrial Complexes of the world somehow also earn a lot of money off of Genocide beyond the Victor plundering resources...
6 years old article
The unrealized potential of Palestinian oil and gas reserves
UN Trade & Development Link
Quote:
New discoveries of natural gas in the Levant Basin are in the range of 122 trillion cubic foot while recoverable oil is estimated at 1.7 billion barrels, according to the study, entitled “The Economic Cost of Occupation for the Palestinian People: The Unrealized Oil and Natural Gas Potential.”
My opinion..
Iran - The Caucasians of the Arab World are the only ones actually defending some level of decency
They are/were the Only neighbor that could-should have stopped the Genocide
Israel isn't finished in Gaza/West Bank.. they need to remove all the rubble of
every
hospital
university
childrens schools and hopsitals
rotting corpses of infants and daughters of innocent people
THEN .. they will be ready to kill the next groups of Palestinians who have not left yet
WHO is stopping that from happening?
Not Saudia Arabia - The story I read about khashoggi that I kept as highest potential.. He was aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood and he was completely against the Prince aligning SA with Israel and maybe he was feeding them info
Never forget what Kushner did to help the Prince of SA
Gave him CIA data on every potential enemy he could have in SA - and who knows where else...
----
Also
We (bleep) Iran and the ME (Really The FUTURE OF THE WHOLE WORLD) so bad for the UK so the Iranian people could not receive a fair price for the Oil the UK was taking from them...
1953 Iranian coup d'étatwikipedia
Quote:
A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after its government refused to concede to western oil demands. It was instigated by the United States (under the name TP-AJAX Project or Operation Ajax) and the United Kingdom (under the name Operation Boot).
_________________ ...only one who has tamed himself can get there.”
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:53 am Post subject:
And a Question
If you were living in Palestine and had your whole family Murdered
*How do 9 brothers and sisters all get killed in one strike
**And then the Father dies due to wounds in the strike
Would you hope you can kill someone responsible
Wish somoene would help stop the murderers
What do you do
Israeli airstrike kills nine of Gaza doctor’s 10 children Guardian
Gaza doctor who lost nine children in Israeli airstrike dies from wounds in same attack Guardian _________________ ...only one who has tamed himself can get there.”
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:24 am Post subject:
Nobody wrote:
kikanga wrote:
Since the 90s Iran has been “days away“ from building a nuclear weapon, according to Israel. I’m a bit cynical about Israel's justification.
But what can ya do. Israel will continue to do what it wants. And we will continue to back them. One of the few issues Dems and Reps are united on.
No matter what Israel does, the biggest consequence they may face is us wagging our finger at them publicly.
Another win for Bibi. He wanted this. That’s why he was against Obama’s Iran deal. And he will never face consequences for the domestic and international laws violated.
Two things of note.
Israel doesn’t have the weaponry to penetrate Iran’s bunkers. But we do.
And this strike was purposefully done after our markets closed for the day.
I'm having an exceedingly hard time understanding America's support for whaterver it is Isreal is doing the last couple of years - waging war all over the place. I understand Germany because of their historic guilt, but am getting lost here. Can someone chime in?
Majority of Democratic Party voters don’t support Israel anymore.
But in terms of party leaders, the answer is pretty simple :
I have been so freaking stressed out... American citizens may be killed this weekend by Trump.. Trump is responsible for the MAGA DISEASE.
Darn Fox was the only one found naming all the cities in one article (whole article is screaming font in Bold lol)
Reports say the teams will deploy in Northern Virginia, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and Seattle. ICE to deploy tactical units to Northern Virginia and 4 other cities, sources say
Fox5 Washington DC Link
Gov. Abbott deploys over 5,000 Texas National Guard troops ahead of planned ‘No Kings’ protests AP _________________ ...only one who has tamed himself can get there.”
For the legal minds here, since there are so many winning lawsuits against our federal government, and it is we the people who must pay and not the evil and idiot perpetrators, is there a reasonable solution to this? _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
I have been so freaking stressed out... American citizens may be killed this weekend by Trump.. Trump is responsible for the MAGA DISEASE.
Darn Fox was the only one found naming all the cities in one article (whole article is screaming font in Bold lol)
Reports say the teams will deploy in Northern Virginia, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and Seattle. ICE to deploy tactical units to Northern Virginia and 4 other cities, sources say
Fox5 Washington DC Link
Gov. Abbott deploys over 5,000 Texas National Guard troops ahead of planned ‘No Kings’ protests AP
Since the 90s Iran has been “days away“ from building a nuclear weapon, according to Israel. I’m a bit cynical about Israel's justification.
But what can ya do. Israel will continue to do what it wants. And we will continue to back them. One of the few issues Dems and Reps are united on.
No matter what Israel does, the biggest consequence they may face is us wagging our finger at them publicly.
Another win for Bibi. He wanted this. That’s why he was against Obama’s Iran deal. And he will never face consequences for the domestic and international laws violated.
Two things of note.
Israel doesn’t have the weaponry to penetrate Iran’s bunkers. But we do.
And this strike was purposefully done after our markets closed for the day.
I'm having an exceedingly hard time understanding America's support for whaterver it is Isreal is doing the last couple of years - waging war all over the place. I understand Germany because of their historic guilt, but am getting lost here. Can someone chime in?
Majority of Democratic Party voters don’t support Israel anymore.
But in terms of party leaders, the answer is pretty simple :
and the fact that he is still in power--though who are we to speak of who's in power. _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
I have been so freaking stressed out... American citizens may be killed this weekend by Trump.. Trump is responsible for the MAGA DISEASE.
Darn Fox was the only one found naming all the cities in one article (whole article is screaming font in Bold lol)
Reports say the teams will deploy in Northern Virginia, New York, Philadelphia, Chicago and Seattle. ICE to deploy tactical units to Northern Virginia and 4 other cities, sources say
Fox5 Washington DC Link
Gov. Abbott deploys over 5,000 Texas National Guard troops ahead of planned ‘No Kings’ protests AP
Did they say when these raids are happening?
I accidentally posted my reply in the body was in hurry
This weekend from what I've read
Some say not sure if raids or what they're doing
Coinciding with No Kings though Sigh _________________ ...only one who has tamed himself can get there.”
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Trump said we shouldn't be rounding up the farmworkers and yet today:
Quote:
United Farm Workers @UFWupdates
NOW: Border Patrol is continuing raids on farm workers in Ventura County, especially Moorpark and Oxnard.
Agents are circling like sharks. Farm workers in areas with heightened activity should check in on each other and take steps to keep safe. Report what you see to us.
_________________ Don't blame me. I voted for Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:11 am Post subject:
ChefLinda wrote:
Trump said we shouldn't be rounding up the farmworkers and yet today:
Quote:
United Farm Workers @UFWupdates
NOW: Border Patrol is continuing raids on farm workers in Ventura County, especially Moorpark and Oxnard.
Agents are circling like sharks. Farm workers in areas with heightened activity should check in on each other and take steps to keep safe. Report what you see to us.
He knows the media intentionally had a short attention span. _________________ Code 8647
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 10:40 am Post subject:
This will be largely ignored by most of the media, and forgotten by tomorrow. But if it were Biden, it would be the lead story every media outlet for days, leading some Democrats to forever condemn him as wholly incompetent . . . and yet there is disagreement as to why Dems lost to someone as undeniably incompetent, unhinged and corrupt as Trump . . .
Donald Trump’s mental health is questioned again after he gave a confusing defense of Russia. Trump appeared to wrongly say that Vladimir Putin fought for Russia in World War II, even though Putin was born 7 years after the war ended. People accuse Trump of "cognitive collapse" because of his strange remarks about Russia and Putin’s role in WWII, as per reports.
Trump said he talked with French President Emmanuel Macron about WWII commemorations before making his confusing speech about Putin. Trump said, "I happened to speak to President Putin at the time. Now in all fairness to him, he lost 51 million people and he did fight."
Trump made a historical mistake because Putin was born in 1952, and World War II ended in 1945, so he couldn’t have fought in it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:50 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
This will be largely ignored by most of the media, and forgotten by tomorrow. But if it were Biden, it would be the lead story every media outlet for days, leading some Democrats to forever condemn him as wholly incompetent . . . and yet there is disagreement as to why Dems lost to someone as undeniably incompetent, unhinged and corrupt as Trump . . .
Donald Trump’s mental health is questioned again after he gave a confusing defense of Russia. Trump appeared to wrongly say that Vladimir Putin fought for Russia in World War II, even though Putin was born 7 years after the war ended. People accuse Trump of "cognitive collapse" because of his strange remarks about Russia and Putin’s role in WWII, as per reports.
Trump said he talked with French President Emmanuel Macron about WWII commemorations before making his confusing speech about Putin. Trump said, "I happened to speak to President Putin at the time. Now in all fairness to him, he lost 51 million people and he did fight."
Trump made a historical mistake because Putin was born in 1952, and World War II ended in 1945, so he couldn’t have fought in it.
Nor would he have been fighting for Russia if he did. He would have been fighting for the USSR. Details, details.
He's an absolute embarrassment.
CRAZY THEORY: pulling something right out of a Game of Thrones-type storyline, if Trump did die of some natural cause (say, for instance, an Elvis-esque death on his gold throne), do we really think his handlers would tell us with any urgency? Or would they try to push some really cynical agenda across first before anyone became aware? I've honestly lost all faith in this country so anything sounds plausible. _________________ You are under no obligation to remain the same person you were a year ago, a month ago, or even a day ago. You are here to create yourself, continuously. - Richard Feynman
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are the only ones actually defending some level of decency
