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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:22 pm    Post subject:

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A zillion stories about Trump case — but bottom line is he is getting charged and it will be in DC. And this week.
Open issues are whether others may be charged and whether they will be in DC or FLA.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1665804706013126656


Andrew is as good a source as we have on how the DOJ operates.

Everything points to an indictment.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 4:58 pm    Post subject:

I hope they get him.
The Stormy Daniels’ hush money case was just too weak sauce.
Hoping Jack Smith’s case is more rock solid.
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Robert Hanssen, FBI agent who spied for the Russians, dies in supermax prison

"He ultimately became the most damaging spy in Bureau history," the agency said.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 6:17 pm    Post subject:

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A zillion stories about Trump case — but bottom line is he is getting charged and it will be in DC. And this week.
Open issues are whether others may be charged and whether they will be in DC or FLA.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1665804706013126656


Andrew is as good a source as we have on how the DOJ operates.

Everything points to an indictment.


If an indictment actually does come down, the question is for what, and how serious will the charges be. I think if the DOJ does finally make a move, they will go with a softball case that is almost a guaranteed conviction, but with very minor consequences that don’t result in a prison sentence.
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A zillion stories about Trump case — but bottom line is he is getting charged and it will be in DC. And this week.
Open issues are whether others may be charged and whether they will be in DC or FLA.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1665804706013126656


Andrew is as good a source as we have on how the DOJ operates.

Everything points to an indictment.


If an indictment actually does come down, the question is for what, and how serious will the charges be. I think if the DOJ does finally make a move, they will go with a softball case that is almost a guaranteed conviction, but with very minor consequences that don’t result in a prison sentence.


If the DOJ does file charges, how can you think it would be “minor consequences”? They don’t play that way, not for this. What Trump did was against the law and he broke many laws. No way he gets off with a hand slap here. This is the DOJ.
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A zillion stories about Trump case — but bottom line is he is getting charged and it will be in DC. And this week.
Open issues are whether others may be charged and whether they will be in DC or FLA.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1665804706013126656


Andrew is as good a source as we have on how the DOJ operates.

Everything points to an indictment.


If an indictment actually does come down, the question is for what, and how serious will the charges be. I think if the DOJ does finally make a move, they will go with a softball case that is almost a guaranteed conviction, but with very minor consequences that don’t result in a prison sentence.


If the DOJ does file charges, how can you think it would be “minor consequences”? They don’t play that way, not for this. What Trump did was against the law and he broke many laws. No way he gets off with a hand slap here. This is the DOJ.


There’s a reason that Garland was fearful of charging Trump and passed the buck to Jack Smith. The consequences of trying Trump and failing to convict would be devastating. The more egregious the charges, the less likely it is to get a successful conviction. Throw in the fact that if an indictment does come in the very near future, it will be when Trump is the leading GOP candidate in the current Presidential election cycle, thus increasing the consequences for not achieving a conviction. For those reasons (and more), the DOJ will go for a slam dunk case that gives the appearance of trying to bring to bring Trump to justice, and in such a scenario any sentence Trump would receive would be relatively light when compared to all of the things Trump has done to break the law.

Look at it this way, Trump literarily engaged in sedition and tried to stage a coup, yet the DOJ has done absolutely nothing to try and charge him with that , the highest of crimes against the nation. Instead they may pursue him on what really amounts to serious breach of clerical duties, taking classified documents home after his term. Sorry, but the idea the the DOJ is going to tenaciously bring the hammer down in Trump at this point doesn’t stand to logic when one views how they have dealt with him since he left office, completely unwillingly after trying to overturn an election.

I wish it weren’t the case, and no one wants to see Trump tried and imprisoned for life more than myself, but it’s just not going to happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:23 pm    Post subject:

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A zillion stories about Trump case — but bottom line is he is getting charged and it will be in DC. And this week.
Open issues are whether others may be charged and whether they will be in DC or FLA.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1665804706013126656


Andrew is as good a source as we have on how the DOJ operates.

Everything points to an indictment.


If an indictment actually does come down, the question is for what, and how serious will the charges be. I think if the DOJ does finally make a move, they will go with a softball case that is almost a guaranteed conviction, but with very minor consequences that don’t result in a prison sentence.


If the DOJ does file charges, how can you think it would be “minor consequences”? They don’t play that way, not for this. What Trump did was against the law and he broke many laws. No way he gets off with a hand slap here. This is the DOJ.


There’s a reason that Garland was fearful of charging Trump and passed the buck to Jack Smith. The consequences of trying Trump and failing to convict would be devastating. The more egregious the charges, the less likely it is to get a successful conviction. Throw in the fact that if an indictment does come in the very near future, it will be when Trump is the leading GOP candidate in the current Presidential election cycle, thus increasing the consequences for not achieving a conviction. For those reasons (and more), the DOJ will go for a slam dunk case that gives the appearance of trying to bring to bring Trump to justice, and in such a scenario any sentence Trump would receive would be relatively light when compared to all of the things Trump has done to break the law.

Look at it this way, Trump literarily engaged in sedition and tried to stage a coup, yet the DOJ has done absolutely nothing to try and charge him with that , the highest of crimes against the nation. Instead they may pursue him on what really amounts to serious breach of clerical duties, taking classified documents home after his term. Sorry, but the idea the the DOJ is going to tenaciously bring the hammer down in Trump at this point doesn’t stand to logic when one views how they have dealt with him since he left office, completely unwillingly after trying to overturn an election.

I wish it weren’t the case, and no one wants to see Trump tried and imprisoned for life more than myself, but it’s just not going to happen.


Garland had to pass it onto Jack Smith because he is an independent counsel versus himself who is part of the Biden administration.
He would be under massive scrutiny taking Trump on and would not appear to be bipartisan.

So, I don’t you’re right about why Garland passed it onto Smith. It was the right non partisan thing to do.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 06, 2023 7:33 am    Post subject:

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Garland had to pass it onto Jack Smith because he is an independent counsel versus himself who is part of the Biden administration.
He would be under massive scrutiny taking Trump on and would not appear to be bipartisan.

So, I don’t you’re right about why Garland passed it onto Smith. It was the right non partisan thing to do.


This is an inherently partisan issue due to the fact that the GOP has refused to acknowledge Trump's criminality and accountability for it. Garland passing off to Smith isn't going to change that at all, so clearly that isn't the only motivation behind the move.

It's very clear that it isn't simply a matter of trying to be transparent and appear neutral. The very fact that the DOJ is openly meeting with Trump's legal team indicates there is some kind of negotiation going on, otherwise the DOJ would just make their move. That can only mean one thing, that the DOJ is trying to make a deal for some kind of deal. If the DOJ were intent on aggressively pursuing the most serious of charges and consequences for Trump, this would all be going down much differently. They are trying to find a way to appear to be holding Trump accountable but without having to take the risk of a failed prosecution.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 5:33 am    Post subject:

I wanted to put this in the Golf thread but didn't want to overly politicize it -- even though that's the reality of what happened.

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DaMuleRules wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Garland had to pass it onto Jack Smith because he is an independent counsel versus himself who is part of the Biden administration.
He would be under massive scrutiny taking Trump on and would not appear to be bipartisan.

So, I don’t you’re right about why Garland passed it onto Smith. It was the right non partisan thing to do.


This is an inherently partisan issue due to the fact that the GOP has refused to acknowledge Trump's criminality and accountability for it. Garland passing off to Smith isn't going to change that at all, so clearly that isn't the only motivation behind the move.

It's very clear that it isn't simply a matter of trying to be transparent and appear neutral. The very fact that the DOJ is openly meeting with Trump's legal team indicates there is some kind of negotiation going on, otherwise the DOJ would just make their move. That can only mean one thing, that the DOJ is trying to make a deal for some kind of deal. If the DOJ were intent on aggressively pursuing the most serious of charges and consequences for Trump, this would all be going down much differently. They are trying to find a way to appear to be holding Trump accountable but without having to take the risk of a failed prosecution.


Not speaking to the rest of the post, but this part is not correct. Past DOJ officials commentating on twitter and TV say that prosecutors routinely give the defense lawyers one last meeting prior to indictment to make any last arguments against indicting. The fact that it happened does not mean they are showing Trump special treatment one way or the other or that a negotiation is going on.

We'll find out shortly whether he gets indicted and how serious the case.
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Good. This guy was a disgrace.

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CNN chairman and chief executive officer Chris Licht is leaving the network, according to a person with direct knowledge of the matter.


https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1666431292039127040?t=urgjDzY-e5fplgaQMdNgMQ&s=19
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 6:28 am    Post subject:

Last night a legal analyst on MSNBC said she believes a decision in the January 6th case is imminent.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:15 am    Post subject:

Free article on the Washington Post.

What to look for if Trump is indicted by the DOJ

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Andrew Weissmann, a law professor at New York University, previously served as general counsel of the FBI and as a senior prosecutor in the special counsel investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. Ryan Goodman, a former special counsel at the Defense Department, is a law professor at New York University and co-editor-in-chief at Just Security.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:29 am    Post subject:

$5 says Trump is indicted for violating the Espionage Act.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:47 am    Post subject:

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$5 says Trump is indicted for violating the Espionage Act.


Yeah. It looks like it could be more than just obstruction.
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One reason DOJ sometimes offers lenient deals in classified documents case is fear of “graymail,” where defendant threatens to disclose government secrets at trial if he is charged. A judge will need to be prepared to rein Trump in with a protective order.

https://twitter.com/BarbMcQuade/status/1666403455617908739?t=YIAX6_5RHa3jDh2ZUgTnGg&s=19
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:58 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Garland had to pass it onto Jack Smith because he is an independent counsel versus himself who is part of the Biden administration.
He would be under massive scrutiny taking Trump on and would not appear to be bipartisan.

So, I don’t you’re right about why Garland passed it onto Smith. It was the right non partisan thing to do.


This is an inherently partisan issue due to the fact that the GOP has refused to acknowledge Trump's criminality and accountability for it. Garland passing off to Smith isn't going to change that at all, so clearly that isn't the only motivation behind the move.

It's very clear that it isn't simply a matter of trying to be transparent and appear neutral. The very fact that the DOJ is openly meeting with Trump's legal team indicates there is some kind of negotiation going on, otherwise the DOJ would just make their move. That can only mean one thing, that the DOJ is trying to make a deal for some kind of deal. If the DOJ were intent on aggressively pursuing the most serious of charges and consequences for Trump, this would all be going down much differently. They are trying to find a way to appear to be holding Trump accountable but without having to take the risk of a failed prosecution.


Not speaking to the rest of the post, but this part is not correct. Past DOJ officials commentating on twitter and TV say that prosecutors routinely give the defense lawyers one last meeting prior to indictment to make any last arguments against indicting. The fact that it happened does not mean they are showing Trump special treatment one way or the other or that a negotiation is going on.

We'll find out shortly whether he gets indicted and how serious the case.


Yeah . . . been hearing that for a few years now . . .
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:59 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
I wanted to put this in the Golf thread but didn't want to overly politicize it -- even though that's the reality of what happened.

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Control Arizona’s water rights

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These are the people the PGA tour hopped in bed with


Yep . . . and as I said in that thread, I'm done with professional golf now.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 8:00 am    Post subject:

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Last night a legal analyst on MSNBC said she believes a decision in the January 6th case is imminent.


The talking heads really need to stop using that word, because they clearly do not know what it means.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:22 am    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Garland had to pass it onto Jack Smith because he is an independent counsel versus himself who is part of the Biden administration.
He would be under massive scrutiny taking Trump on and would not appear to be bipartisan.

So, I don’t you’re right about why Garland passed it onto Smith. It was the right non partisan thing to do.


This is an inherently partisan issue due to the fact that the GOP has refused to acknowledge Trump's criminality and accountability for it. Garland passing off to Smith isn't going to change that at all, so clearly that isn't the only motivation behind the move.

It's very clear that it isn't simply a matter of trying to be transparent and appear neutral. The very fact that the DOJ is openly meeting with Trump's legal team indicates there is some kind of negotiation going on, otherwise the DOJ would just make their move. That can only mean one thing, that the DOJ is trying to make a deal for some kind of deal. If the DOJ were intent on aggressively pursuing the most serious of charges and consequences for Trump, this would all be going down much differently. They are trying to find a way to appear to be holding Trump accountable but without having to take the risk of a failed prosecution.


Not speaking to the rest of the post, but this part is not correct. Past DOJ officials commentating on twitter and TV say that prosecutors routinely give the defense lawyers one last meeting prior to indictment to make any last arguments against indicting. The fact that it happened does not mean they are showing Trump special treatment one way or the other or that a negotiation is going on.

We'll find out shortly whether he gets indicted and how serious the case.


Yeah . . . been hearing that for a few years now . . .


I understand your pessimism regarding this. When Jack Smith was originally appointed, I thought this was another delay tactic and Trump will once again face no consequences.

But we know there are two grand juries in Florida and D.C., we know that Smith has literally questioned everybody that works at MaL, we know at least one former Trump lawyer is cooperating with DOJ, tons of leaks suggest things are wrapping up, Trump is freaking out on social media, etc. And CL is right, the meeting Trump's team had with Smith is the biggest indication that an indictment(s) are imminent. Of course, imminent doesn't mean tomorrow, it could mean a week or two. As one former DoJ official said, considering what we know just from evidence that is public, it would be a violation of law for DoJ not to indict Trump just on the documents case. I'm okay with waiting a few extra weeks so that every i is dotted and every t is crossed. Smith seems like he is that type of guy.

And Trump has already been indicted in a state case. I'm aware it's not as serious as the federal cases, but at least we know he's not completely invincible.
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It looks likesome legal analysts on Twitter believe there will not be an indictment this week. Also I'm seeing a lot of discussion on where the case is going to be tried. DC or Florida. They are saying it's a big decision by Jack Smith.
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BREAKING Feds inform Trump he is target likely to be indicted as DOJ rebuffs prosecutorial misconduct claim | Just The News

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 12:14 pm    Post subject:

It's happening.

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BREAKING: Jack Smith is prepared to ask a grand jury to CHARGE TRUMP with ESPIONAGE and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE as early as TOMORROW, and MARK MEADOWS HAS FLIPPED and will plead guilty to several lesser charges in exchange for limited immunity.


https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1666532611714326533?t=EFYmTwPB5vtn4gytRFI_NQ&s=19
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It's happening.

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BREAKING: Jack Smith is prepared to ask a grand jury to CHARGE TRUMP with ESPIONAGE and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE as early as TOMORROW, and MARK MEADOWS HAS FLIPPED and will plead guilty to several lesser charges in exchange for limited immunity.


https://twitter.com/MuellerSheWrote/status/1666532611714326533?t=EFYmTwPB5vtn4gytRFI_NQ&s=19


Hell yeah!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/prosecutors-ready-ask-trump-indictment-193915222.html

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The Independent has learned that prosecutors are ready to ask grand jurors to approve an indictment against Mr Trump for violating a portion of the US criminal code known as Section 793, which prohibits “gathering, transmitting or losing” any “information respecting the national defence”.

The use of Section 793, which does not make reference to classified information, is understood to be a strategic decision by prosecutors that has been made to short-circuit Mr Trump’s ability to claim that he used his authority as president to declassify documents he removed from the White House and kept at his Palm Beach, Florida property long after his term expired on 20 January 2021.

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Breaking WaPo: DOJ prosecutors are planning to bring a significant portion of charges stemming from the mishandling of classified docs at a federal court in south Florida.

Jack Smith wants to base the case where most of the possible misconduct happened.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1666533219439632391?t=9q_E698zj9q3I2ZDI5diXg&s=19
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