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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:33 am    Post subject:

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Hi Chef Linda - What do you think Biden should be doing now until the election to win back the faith of his party and supporters?


I am on Twitter with the Black woman base of the party and the liberal base of the party. THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLETELY SUPPORTING BIDEN. The media and pundits and rich-white democratic men want you to believe that all is lost. It's bull-(bleep). Biden is already doing what he needs to do. He promotes his record, attacks Trump for Project 2025, defends democracy, promotes codifying Roe. Now it's up to us to help him by focusing on the good things he has done and will do in the future. And tell our friends the choice is between Old Joe and Democracy or Old Trump and Dictatorship. That's it.


So how will they feel if Biden is essentially pushed out of the nomination at this point? It looks like a coup d'état is taking place in real-time.


He won't be. The only person with control over that decision is Biden. He will not be stepping down. Because he is actually hooked into the base of the party and he knows how this goes.

Listen, white men have not been a majority of the Democratic base since the 1960's when Civil Rights passed.

White men are the base of the REPUBLICAN PARTY, along with most of their wives.

The base of the Democratic party are Black women, college educated white women, single women, people of color, LGTBQ+ people, and progressive white men. The majority are still behind him.

The media chooses to spotlight the handful of PRIVILEGED WHITE MEN as if they speak for everyone else in the party. THEY DO NOT. And those base groups I listed above are well aware of whose voice is being elevated over theirs in the press. AND THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT IT AND EVEN MORE DETERMINED TO HELP BIDEN GET ELECTED.

Every time someone like a George Clooney speaks out, we double-down on our support of Biden.

Believe, don't believe. I'm telling you what I see.

And I don't usually mention things like this, but my followers on Twitter include Nancy Pelosi and Ezra Levin who started Indivisible, as well as many other high-profile and famous progressives and entertainers on twitter as well as Black woman Twitter. So, yeah I'm a random person on Twitter. But I also have a lot of particular access and insight that others here aren't normally privy to.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:40 am    Post subject:

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You are trying awfully hard to convince people that Biden is up to the task.


It's not hard if you are actually paying attention to ALL of what is going on. It's pretty clear that he is.

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You are passionate in this. Herein, with most as liberals or progressives or both, I wonder if your words do little to erase the horror of Biden's debate performance. No matter what you say, it does not erase what my eyes and ears saw and heard.


Are you are clearly way too focused on the debate that took place weeks ago and ignoring things that have happened since.

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And I want as desperately as you to defeat Trump.


Then stop harping away on one media driven narrative.


We tend to disagree often and here is no exception. There is more than one way to look at this situation. You should try to realize it is not your way or the highway.


There’s a great deal of irony in your reply. Yes, there is more than one way to view this situation and you are clearly committed to doing the opposite by making it all about one specific issue while ignoring the bigger picture. And you accuse me of a “my way or the highway attitude” yet you are fixated on the Biden is done and there is only one solution (step down) while ignoring all the reasons that is a bad idea and those that indicate sticking with Biden is the most logical way to go.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 8:58 am    Post subject:

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Project 2025 will destroy America.

Look it up. We made it easy for you: http://trumpsproject2025.com


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:03 am    Post subject:

ChefLinda wrote:
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Hi Chef Linda - What do you think Biden should be doing now until the election to win back the faith of his party and supporters?


I am on Twitter with the Black woman base of the party and the liberal base of the party. THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLETELY SUPPORTING BIDEN. The media and pundits and rich-white democratic men want you to believe that all is lost. It's bull-(bleep). Biden is already doing what he needs to do. He promotes his record, attacks Trump for Project 2025, defends democracy, promotes codifying Roe. Now it's up to us to help him by focusing on the good things he has done and will do in the future. And tell our friends the choice is between Old Joe and Democracy or Old Trump and Dictatorship. That's it.


So how will they feel if Biden is essentially pushed out of the nomination at this point? It looks like a coup d'état is taking place in real-time.


He won't be. The only person with control over that decision is Biden. He will not be stepping down. Because he is actually hooked into the base of the party and he knows how this goes.

Listen, white men have not been a majority of the Democratic base since the 1960's when Civil Rights passed.

White men are the base of the REPUBLICAN PARTY, along with most of their wives.

The base of the Democratic party are Black women, college educated white women, single women, people of color, LGTBQ+ people, and progressive white men. The majority are still behind him.

The media chooses to spotlight the handful of PRIVILEGED WHITE MEN as if they speak for everyone else in the party. THEY DO NOT. And those base groups I listed above are well aware of whose voice is being elevated over theirs in the press. AND THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT IT AND EVEN MORE DETERMINED TO HELP BIDEN GET ELECTED.

Every time someone like a George Clooney speaks out, we double-down on our support of Biden.

Believe, don't believe. I'm telling you what I see.


You are correct about what is Biden's/Democrats' strength but by comparing these, it is not white males that Biden is hemorrhaging, but blacks, hispanics, asians, and the young. Yes, I know this is only one poll, but this poll reflects what I've been hearing--yes, I know, from the evil CNN and MSNBC (and the likes of Rachel, Alex, Joy, Jen, Stephanie, and Kaitlyn) media (addressing you and Mule).

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-94cd-d9a9-a3b3-96dfd90d0000

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:13 am    Post subject:

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Northeastern University-led study: Biden’s poor debate performance had almost no impact on voter preference, new report says

“If anything, it seems that Biden is holding on to his people somewhat better than Trump.”

“What the report finds is that Biden held on to 94% of the people who said they would support him before the debate. For Trump, 86% of people who said they would support him before the debate said they would do so after the debate.”


Which candidate is hemorrhaging more support?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:33 am    Post subject:

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Northeastern University-led study: Biden’s poor debate performance had almost no impact on voter preference, new report says

“If anything, it seems that Biden is holding on to his people somewhat better than Trump.”

“What the report finds is that Biden held on to 94% of the people who said they would support him before the debate. For Trump, 86% of people who said they would support him before the debate said they would do so after the debate.”


Which candidate is hemorrhaging more support?

Link to study


The interesting thing is that virtually every single person I have spoken to on the Democratic Party side (including those who are still adament that Biden should step down) all agree that Trump is still a much more dangerous option, and thus they still plan to vote for Biden.

Despite all this alleged "hemorrhaging" some people are referring to, I don't believe for a second that anyone who was genuinely going to vote for Biden is suddenly going to vote for Trump, someone else or not vote at all at this point because they know the risks. Not because I am stubborn, or only see what I want to see, but because all of the evidence (if one truly looks at all of it and considers it on its merits) says otherwise.

Here's the bottomline (and this is for others, I know you know this CL). It's going to have to be Biden versus Trump in November. It's too late to replace Biden at this point, and doing so logistically eliminates the replacement candidate from winning because there are too many states where votes for the replacement candidate would not be counted. So, no matter how much some people may want to see another candidate, replacing Biden is a guaranteed loss to Trump. So if people genuinely care about protecting against the catastrophe of another Trump Presidency, they will show up in November and vote Biden. That's just the undeniably reality of where it all stands right now, and people need get over their angst, suck it up and do the right thing rather than fan the flames of discord and division.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:35 am    Post subject:

HOPE SPRINGS ETERNAL

Is an 18th century proverb basically meaning: it is human nature always to find fresh cause for optimism.

Hope it's a good thing to have, something that warms the soul, something we can hold in our minds to calm us at night..

And Hope is entangled throughout the upcoming election:
With one side Hoping their candidate that failed miserably during the debate, can regain his balance and stature.
With the other side Hoping for a return to power of their charismatic, impulsive, yet erratic leader.

Every election has its demonizing of candidates, the mud-slinging and name calling. Yet one candidate always wins and somehow life goes on and the nation continues forward. It's been like this over the 235 years since George Washington was first elected!

For many people, this election is a no-brainer, you vote your party (red or blue), right down the line.

But due to the unpopularity and uncertainties surrounding the two candidates, people on both sides, as well as those in the middle are faced with doing their own soul-searching...
Does one blindly support their party? Does one vote the one they dislike the least? Or does one vote for who they think will do a better job running the country?

Since both candidates have actually been president previously, people have the unique ability to compare how each did during their terms.

One fired everyone in sight, over and over, caused a lot of controversy every where he went, but the economy was good, inflation was down and the stock market was climbing. Also took steps to close/strengthen the southern border. He also stated he wanted to end Obama-care, but after he got in and looked at it, pretty much left it alone, as he determined it was working.

The other (without investigating) assumed that whatever his predecessor did was wrong and completely undid all the border protection plans. And opened the flood gates for 3-1/2 years, allowing over/about 12 million illegal immigrants to flood in. This included rapists and murderers who have been targeting US citizens, so to show some sort of concern, 7 months before the upcoming elections, a plan was enacted to limit the incoming flow to "only" 1 million per year! Plus these non-citizens are being transported, housed, fed and takem care of by using money paid by US Taxpayers. Not sure how this helps the US in anyway, but it is "hinted" that the hope is these newbies vote for "his" party going forward.. He also stopped/reduced the US's ability to produce Gas and prices have sky-rocketed, with in turn added extra transportation costs to ALL goods, Interest Rates have doubled, house sales declined, inflation increased to 9%, has come down, but is still higher than the previous regime. The Stock Market is at its HIGHEST ever, a good thing under Joe!

To add another twist, the current president has been declining since being in office, needs Note cards to navigate or participate in basic meetings, has made more gaffes, flubs, mumbles, mistakes than all the other presidents over the last 50 years combined! Then if you consider his lies, "Uncle at by Cannibals" "Drove an 18 wheeler", "was there when a bridge collapsed" "Raised in the Black Church", "Endorsed by the Border Patrol" etc along with his steady Cognitive Decline, his "working hours" are now 10am-4pm (Lol, shorter than bank hours) and can't talk long without a teleprompter (even then he reads the word: "PAUSE"), he did not remember if he watched the debate (when asked by George S. - who said candidly Joe was not up to 4 more years), you are left with a train-wreck candidate!

So the election really comes down to a battle between those who fear and hate Trump vs those who see what Biden has degradated into...!

HOPE we make the right choice....!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:39 am    Post subject:

Did anyone see that pro Biden Tiktok kid on Piers Morgan? He was fantastic.



He gets extra points for making Dave Rubin look dumb, which isn't hard to do but always fun to watch.

This is a link from a youtuber who does politics showing clips from the show. I don't know if anyone wants to watch the full show or not, but it isn't hard to find if you do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:50 am    Post subject:

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ChefLinda wrote:
Murdock wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
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Hi Chef Linda - What do you think Biden should be doing now until the election to win back the faith of his party and supporters?


I am on Twitter with the Black woman base of the party and the liberal base of the party. THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLETELY SUPPORTING BIDEN. The media and pundits and rich-white democratic men want you to believe that all is lost. It's bull-(bleep). Biden is already doing what he needs to do. He promotes his record, attacks Trump for Project 2025, defends democracy, promotes codifying Roe. Now it's up to us to help him by focusing on the good things he has done and will do in the future. And tell our friends the choice is between Old Joe and Democracy or Old Trump and Dictatorship. That's it.


So how will they feel if Biden is essentially pushed out of the nomination at this point? It looks like a coup d'état is taking place in real-time.


He won't be. The only person with control over that decision is Biden. He will not be stepping down. Because he is actually hooked into the base of the party and he knows how this goes.

Listen, white men have not been a majority of the Democratic base since the 1960's when Civil Rights passed.

White men are the base of the REPUBLICAN PARTY, along with most of their wives.

The base of the Democratic party are Black women, college educated white women, single women, people of color, LGTBQ+ people, and progressive white men. The majority are still behind him.

The media chooses to spotlight the handful of PRIVILEGED WHITE MEN as if they speak for everyone else in the party. THEY DO NOT. And those base groups I listed above are well aware of whose voice is being elevated over theirs in the press. AND THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT IT AND EVEN MORE DETERMINED TO HELP BIDEN GET ELECTED.

Every time someone like a George Clooney speaks out, we double-down on our support of Biden.

Believe, don't believe. I'm telling you what I see.


You are correct about what is Biden's/Democrats' strength but by comparing these, it is not white males that Biden is hemorrhaging, but blacks, hispanics, asians, and the young. Yes, I know this is only one poll, but this poll reflects what I've been hearing--yes, I know, from the evil CNN and MSNBC (and the likes of Rachel, Alex, Joy, Jen, Stephanie, and Kaitlyn) media (addressing you and Mule).

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-94cd-d9a9-a3b3-96dfd90d0000

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020


I could expand upon why each of those female journalists you list are are saying what they are, but there is little point, because you have only one focus (which is why you only listen to the polls that support your viewpoint). But off the top of my head, I will address a couple as examples for others:

When you say Rachel, I am assuming you mean Maddow. When she addressed the issue right after the debate mess, her point was that IF the Democratic Party was going to Replace Biden, it need to happen immediately because any delay would make it impossible to do successfully. That is a hugely important distinction.

When you say Kaitlyn, I assume you mean Kaitlin Collins. As I said eaarly in this thread, she was exposed during her Bernie Sanders interview as simply serving CNN's commitment to the Biden must go narrative because she wouldn't acknowledge any of Sanders points and just repeatedly kept asking him if he thought Biden should step down like "voters" are demanding. More importantly, she stated that it wasn't her position, that she was just saying what CNN says voters are saying. Another important distinction.

So if you don't think that there is a media bias and agenda to the claims that voters are abandoning Biden, then there's not much to be said, because you aren't interested in believing or acknowledging otherwise.

But here is the more important part, even if those women were/are calling for Biden's replacement, it doesn't erase the fact that doing so is political suicide for the Democrats come November. The logistics of our election ensure Biden's replacement can't win, assuming the Dems could figure out a way to get a consensus candidate in the next couple of weeks (which would be necessary to even attempt to mount a new, redirected campaign).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:51 am    Post subject:

Side by side comparison of Biden and Trump from their respective events yesterday. Biden's speech to NATO and Trump's message at his rally:

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BREAKING: The media finally did a direct comparison of President Biden’s foreign policies and Donald Trump’s. It’s beyond clear Donald Trump would take us down a demented path towards autocracy. Retweet so all Americans know what’s at stake in November.



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:56 am    Post subject:

Biden should be imploring the media to give him fair covering.
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But here is the more important part, even if those women were/are calling for Biden's replacement, it doesn't erase the fact that doing so is political suicide for the Democrats come November. The logistics of our election ensure Biden's replacement can't win, assuming the Dems could figure out a way to get a consensus candidate in the next couple of weeks (which would be necessary to even attempt to mount a new, redirected campaign).


Just wanted to add for others that don't know, the Republicans have already said if Democrats replace Biden on the ballot, they will immediately sue in various states to keep the new candidate off the ballot (including Kamala Harris). And when that ultimately goes to the Supreme Court, they will without question KEEP THE DEMOCRAT OFF THE BALLOT TO HAND TRUMP THE WIN. Many of these same SCOTUS judges worked on staff for GW Bush to end the Florida recount where that SCOTUS handed GW Bush the election. (John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett).

A replacement candidate would all but guarantee a Trump win.

That's not merely an opinion, it's fact.


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DaMuleRules wrote:
ribeye wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Murdock wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Hi Chef Linda - What do you think Biden should be doing now until the election to win back the faith of his party and supporters?


I am on Twitter with the Black woman base of the party and the liberal base of the party. THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLETELY SUPPORTING BIDEN. The media and pundits and rich-white democratic men want you to believe that all is lost. It's bull-(bleep). Biden is already doing what he needs to do. He promotes his record, attacks Trump for Project 2025, defends democracy, promotes codifying Roe. Now it's up to us to help him by focusing on the good things he has done and will do in the future. And tell our friends the choice is between Old Joe and Democracy or Old Trump and Dictatorship. That's it.


So how will they feel if Biden is essentially pushed out of the nomination at this point? It looks like a coup d'état is taking place in real-time.


He won't be. The only person with control over that decision is Biden. He will not be stepping down. Because he is actually hooked into the base of the party and he knows how this goes.

Listen, white men have not been a majority of the Democratic base since the 1960's when Civil Rights passed.

White men are the base of the REPUBLICAN PARTY, along with most of their wives.

The base of the Democratic party are Black women, college educated white women, single women, people of color, LGTBQ+ people, and progressive white men. The majority are still behind him.

The media chooses to spotlight the handful of PRIVILEGED WHITE MEN as if they speak for everyone else in the party. THEY DO NOT. And those base groups I listed above are well aware of whose voice is being elevated over theirs in the press. AND THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT IT AND EVEN MORE DETERMINED TO HELP BIDEN GET ELECTED.

Every time someone like a George Clooney speaks out, we double-down on our support of Biden.

Believe, don't believe. I'm telling you what I see.


You are correct about what is Biden's/Democrats' strength but by comparing these, it is not white males that Biden is hemorrhaging, but blacks, hispanics, asians, and the young. Yes, I know this is only one poll, but this poll reflects what I've been hearing--yes, I know, from the evil CNN and MSNBC (and the likes of Rachel, Alex, Joy, Jen, Stephanie, and Kaitlyn) media (addressing you and Mule).

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-94cd-d9a9-a3b3-96dfd90d0000

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020


I could expand upon why each of those female journalists you list are are saying what they are, but there is little point, because you have only one focus (which is why you only listen to the polls that support your viewpoint). But off the top of my head, I will address a couple as examples for others:


I didn't read beyond this because you so mischaracterize me. If this is how you feel you must approach a discussion, I don't want to bother with you.
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ribeye wrote:
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ribeye wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
Murdock wrote:
ChefLinda wrote:
anth2000 wrote:
Hi Chef Linda - What do you think Biden should be doing now until the election to win back the faith of his party and supporters?


I am on Twitter with the Black woman base of the party and the liberal base of the party. THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLETELY SUPPORTING BIDEN. The media and pundits and rich-white democratic men want you to believe that all is lost. It's bull-(bleep). Biden is already doing what he needs to do. He promotes his record, attacks Trump for Project 2025, defends democracy, promotes codifying Roe. Now it's up to us to help him by focusing on the good things he has done and will do in the future. And tell our friends the choice is between Old Joe and Democracy or Old Trump and Dictatorship. That's it.


So how will they feel if Biden is essentially pushed out of the nomination at this point? It looks like a coup d'état is taking place in real-time.


He won't be. The only person with control over that decision is Biden. He will not be stepping down. Because he is actually hooked into the base of the party and he knows how this goes.

Listen, white men have not been a majority of the Democratic base since the 1960's when Civil Rights passed.

White men are the base of the REPUBLICAN PARTY, along with most of their wives.

The base of the Democratic party are Black women, college educated white women, single women, people of color, LGTBQ+ people, and progressive white men. The majority are still behind him.

The media chooses to spotlight the handful of PRIVILEGED WHITE MEN as if they speak for everyone else in the party. THEY DO NOT. And those base groups I listed above are well aware of whose voice is being elevated over theirs in the press. AND THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT IT AND EVEN MORE DETERMINED TO HELP BIDEN GET ELECTED.

Every time someone like a George Clooney speaks out, we double-down on our support of Biden.

Believe, don't believe. I'm telling you what I see.


You are correct about what is Biden's/Democrats' strength but by comparing these, it is not white males that Biden is hemorrhaging, but blacks, hispanics, asians, and the young. Yes, I know this is only one poll, but this poll reflects what I've been hearing--yes, I know, from the evil CNN and MSNBC (and the likes of Rachel, Alex, Joy, Jen, Stephanie, and Kaitlyn) media (addressing you and Mule).

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-94cd-d9a9-a3b3-96dfd90d0000

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020


I could expand upon why each of those female journalists you list are are saying what they are, but there is little point, because you have only one focus (which is why you only listen to the polls that support your viewpoint). But off the top of my head, I will address a couple as examples for others:


I didn't read beyond this because you so mischaracterize me. If this is how you feel you must approach a discussion, I don't want to bother with you.


I can only characterize you by what you have said here, and I don't see how you could possibly think that I would feel any differently because you have maintained the same specific narrative repeatedly while clearly not being open to anything that runs contrary to it.

And I would point out that the bolded simply proves my point.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 10:38 am    Post subject:

I thought deserved it's own standalone post since some people still seem to believe Biden can/will/should be successfully replaced on the ticket.

Republicans have already said if Democrats replace Biden on the ballot, they will immediately sue in various states to keep the new candidate off the ballot (including Kamala Harris). And when that ultimately goes to the Supreme Court, they will without question KEEP THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE OFF THE BALLOT AND HAND TRUMP THE WIN. Many of these same SCOTUS judges worked on staff for GW Bush to end the Florida recount where that SCOTUS handed GW Bush the election. (John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett).

A replacement candidate would all but guarantee a Trump win. After all the recent Pro-Trump decisions by this Supreme Court, it is not reasonable to assume they would act in a fair and impartial way.
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Hi Chef Linda - What do you think Biden should be doing now until the election to win back the faith of his party and supporters?


I am on Twitter with the Black woman base of the party and the liberal base of the party. THEY ARE ALREADY COMPLETELY SUPPORTING BIDEN. The media and pundits and rich-white democratic men want you to believe that all is lost. It's bull-(bleep). Biden is already doing what he needs to do. He promotes his record, attacks Trump for Project 2025, defends democracy, promotes codifying Roe. Now it's up to us to help him by focusing on the good things he has done and will do in the future. And tell our friends the choice is between Old Joe and Democracy or Old Trump and Dictatorship. That's it.


So how will they feel if Biden is essentially pushed out of the nomination at this point? It looks like a coup d'état is taking place in real-time.


He won't be. The only person with control over that decision is Biden. He will not be stepping down. Because he is actually hooked into the base of the party and he knows how this goes.

Listen, white men have not been a majority of the Democratic base since the 1960's when Civil Rights passed.

White men are the base of the REPUBLICAN PARTY, along with most of their wives.

The base of the Democratic party are Black women, college educated white women, single women, people of color, LGTBQ+ people, and progressive white men. The majority are still behind him.

The media chooses to spotlight the handful of PRIVILEGED WHITE MEN as if they speak for everyone else in the party. THEY DO NOT. And those base groups I listed above are well aware of whose voice is being elevated over theirs in the press. AND THEY ARE LIVID ABOUT IT AND EVEN MORE DETERMINED TO HELP BIDEN GET ELECTED.

Every time someone like a George Clooney speaks out, we double-down on our support of Biden.

Believe, don't believe. I'm telling you what I see.


You are correct about what is Biden's/Democrats' strength but by comparing these, it is not white males that Biden is hemorrhaging, but blacks, hispanics, asians, and the young. Yes, I know this is only one poll, but this poll reflects what I've been hearing--yes, I know, from the evil CNN and MSNBC (and the likes of Rachel, Alex, Joy, Jen, Stephanie, and Kaitlyn) media (addressing you and Mule).

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-94cd-d9a9-a3b3-96dfd90d0000

https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2020


I could expand upon why each of those female journalists you list are are saying what they are, but there is little point, because you have only one focus (which is why you only listen to the polls that support your viewpoint). But off the top of my head, I will address a couple as examples for others:


I didn't read beyond this because you so mischaracterize me. If this is how you feel you must approach a discussion, I don't want to bother with you.


I can only characterize you by what you have said here, and I don't see how you could possibly think that I would feel any differently because you have maintained the same specific narrative repeatedly while clearly not being open to anything that runs contrary to it.

And I would point out that the bolded simply proves my point.


OK, tell how you know which polls I look at how you know I only listen to the polls I support. I don't support any individual poll. Though I give more weight to 538 as an aggregator that weighs the different polling groups based on past accuracy, I realize that, today, the polls can be off even beyond their margins of error.

The reason I didn't read beyond I already said and only suggests that you choose to mischaracterize to make your point. I could debate Trump if I wanted that approach.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/clarence-thomas-accepted-yacht-trip-to-russia-chopper-flight-to-putins-hometown-democrats


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Clarence Thomas Took Free Yacht Trip to Russia, Chopper Flight to Putin’s Hometown: Dems


Wow. I knew this guy was compromised, but this is another level. Russian asset on the Supreme Court and soon again in the White House if we don’t act.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/clarence-thomas-accepted-yacht-trip-to-russia-chopper-flight-to-putins-hometown-democrats


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Clarence Thomas Took Free Yacht Trip to Russia, Chopper Flight to Putin’s Hometown: Dems


Wow. I knew this guy was compromised, but this is another level. Russian asset on the Supreme Court and soon again in the White House if we don’t act.


I'm sure he would vote to let the theoretical Biden replacement stay on all the ballots! Right! No money business here. Nope. Nothing to see here.

Putin is destroying America from within without firing a shot. And all the Democrats still calling for Biden to step aside, are helping him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:07 am    Post subject:

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I thought deserved it's own standalone post since some people still seem to believe Biden can/will/should be successfully replaced on the ticket.

Republicans have already said if Democrats replace Biden on the ballot, they will immediately sue in various states to keep the new candidate off the ballot (including Kamala Harris). And when that ultimately goes to the Supreme Court, they will without question KEEP THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE OFF THE BALLOT AND HAND TRUMP THE WIN. Many of these same SCOTUS judges worked on staff for GW Bush to end the Florida recount where that SCOTUS handed GW Bush the election. (John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett).

A replacement candidate would all but guarantee a Trump win. After all the recent Pro-Trump decisions by this Supreme Court, it is not reasonable to assume they would act in a fair and impartial way.

Stop the replace Biden talk. It's a guaranteed Dem loss.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 11:42 am    Post subject:

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BREAKING: @NBCNews anchor Lester Holt will sit down with President Biden for an exclusive one-on-one interview on Monday in Austin, Texas. The full interview will air in its entirety during a primetime special that evening at 9 p.m. ET/8 p.m. CT. on NBC.
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trmiv wrote:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/clarence-thomas-accepted-yacht-trip-to-russia-chopper-flight-to-putins-hometown-democrats


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Clarence Thomas Took Free Yacht Trip to Russia, Chopper Flight to Putin’s Hometown: Dems


Wow. I knew this guy was compromised, but this is another level. Russian asset on the Supreme Court and soon again in the White House if we don’t act.


I'm sure he would vote to let the theoretical Biden replacement stay on all the ballots! Right! No money business here. Nope. Nothing to see here.

Putin is destroying America from within without firing a shot. And all the Democrats still calling for Biden to step aside, are helping him.

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They'll be two steps ahead of the Dems who are famously tech-averse.

And they'll get plenty of help from the press who are happy to repurpose Republican talking points as news. They never questioned the report from special counsel Robert Hur on Biden’s handling of sensitive government records and unflattering characterizations of his memory. They just carried his quote as if it were gospel. Journalism is dead in America.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 12:23 pm    Post subject:

Team Trump getting increasingly confident Trump will win in landslide

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trumpworld-is-reveling-in-the-biden-meltdown

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Donald Trump’s campaign is having a ball watching Joe Biden brazenly defy calls from the media and Democrats to exit the presidential race following his humiliating CNN debate performance. The chaos engulfing the Democratic Party is fueling Trump’s confidence that he will beat Biden in a historic landslide, sources close to the Trump campaign told me. “They’re spiking the football,” a prominent Republican said.


Behind the scenes, Trump allies are openly talking about their incredible good fortune. “Biden is the first Democrat in 24 years to be behind in the popular vote as late as July—and it’s only gonna get worse. He’s cooked,” the Republican close to the campaign said. “And imagine what happens if his cognitive condition worsens before the election? It will be an absolute bloodbath.”
According to two sources, Trump advisers project Trump could win 30 states in November. If current polling holds, the Trump campaign expects to win battlegrounds such as Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. “The Biden collapse is real,” said a 2020 Trump campaign veteran who remains close to the former president.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:40 pm    Post subject:

Even if that is true, that's not a "historic landslide." So I clicked on the article and I see it's Gabriel Sherman, and I'm not surprised. The same sources he's using called the 2016 election a landslide. It's stupid hyperbole by a glorified tabloid journalist.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:19 pm    Post subject:

trmiv wrote:
Team Trump getting increasingly confident Trump will win in landslide

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trumpworld-is-reveling-in-the-biden-meltdown

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Donald Trump’s campaign is having a ball watching Joe Biden brazenly defy calls from the media and Democrats to exit the presidential race following his humiliating CNN debate performance. The chaos engulfing the Democratic Party is fueling Trump’s confidence that he will beat Biden in a historic landslide, sources close to the Trump campaign told me. “They’re spiking the football,” a prominent Republican said.


Behind the scenes, Trump allies are openly talking about their incredible good fortune. “Biden is the first Democrat in 24 years to be behind in the popular vote as late as July—and it’s only gonna get worse. He’s cooked,” the Republican close to the campaign said. “And imagine what happens if his cognitive condition worsens before the election? It will be an absolute bloodbath.”
According to two sources, Trump advisers project Trump could win 30 states in November. If current polling holds, the Trump campaign expects to win battlegrounds such as Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin, and Arizona. “The Biden collapse is real,” said a 2020 Trump campaign veteran who remains close to the former president.


Whatever, let these a-holes think whatever they want. These clowns came out at like 2am hours after election day with what, in essence, a victory party as they were ahead at the time only for all the uncounted votes to be counted.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 3:31 pm    Post subject:

I have to admit here I am a little confused... perhaps CL or DMR can clarify these remarks to me...

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Pelosi: "Time is running short" for Biden to decide on re-election bid

Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Wednesday that "we're all encouraging" President Biden to make a final decision on whether he will continue his re-election bid.


https://www.axios.com/2024/07/10/nancy-pelosi-biden-2024-run

I was under the impression that President Biden had already made this decision, and is staying in and running, but Pelosi is implying that he hasn't decided yet?!?

What is happening here, I feel like I'm being gaslit here..
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