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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 3:33 pm Post subject:
trmiv wrote:
Creepy ass weird JD Vance stalked Kamala’s plane on the tarmac today claiming he wanted to get a close look at “his plane.”
What a (bleep) creepy ass weird (bleep). Being a weird ass stalker of women is not a winning move, righties.
The Independent Awkward moment JD Vance attempts to confront Kamala on tarmac – before holding presser in front of Air Force 2 Alex Woodward
Updated Wed, August 7, 2024 at 3:26 p.m. PDT·2 min read
LINK _________________ Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be
because we destroyed ourselves.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints state that they are abandoning the Republican Party for this election.
There are 2.1 million of them in Utah and almost a half million in Arizona. If a good percentage of them vote Dem we could hold on to Arizona and possibly flip Utah.
Just another example the typical hypocritical moving of the goalposts that is the core of the Republicans. They don't care and thus this "inconvenient" double standard will not matter one bit to them.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints state that they are abandoning the Republican Party for this election.
There are 2.1 million of them in Utah and almost a half million in Arizona. If a good percentage of them vote Dem we could hold on to Arizona and possibly flip Utah.
Absolutely huge! _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 4:06 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
trmiv wrote:
Creepy ass weird JD Vance stalked Kamala’s plane on the tarmac today claiming he wanted to get a close look at “his plane.”
What a (bleep) creepy ass weird (bleep). Being a weird ass stalker of women is not a winning move, righties.
The Independent Awkward moment JD Vance attempts to confront Kamala on tarmac – before holding presser in front of Air Force 2 Alex Woodward
Updated Wed, August 7, 2024 at 3:26 p.m. PDT·2 min read
Hopefully America can heal and be stronger and more committed to education and low cost counseling to any citizen that needs it. His followers found a voice for their resentments and wounds from childhood and employment and whatever and then lost their whole identity and became part of the problem.. not a helper of a just honorable cause
I want to create a post on the UK and Russian Disinformation campaigns that caused the riots - fueled by AI imagery and videos... How can humans stop our wiring from defaulting to Anger/Violence/Separation in too many of us? The humans in the UK were tricked into separating their Whole country from the EU .. members since 1973 - all due to Russia/Putin..
They’re significantly more right than Millennial males and Trump will likely win their demographic, however they are very disinterested in politics and likely don’t vote in large numbers.
this is all offset by Gen Z women being extremely liberal AND more politically involved and motivated to vote.
^ I totally believe it. I'm 30 and when I was a teenager, we all hated Republicans. There was still a gender gap but it wasn't pronounced and I imagine men around my age (give or take 2-3 years) are probably the most liberal/ Democratic cohort of men.
The big difference is that in our formative years, we didn't have all these red pill, anti-feminist youtubers a la Andrew Tate who basically made it acceptable to be anti-woman, anti-PoC, anti-LGBT within their own ecosystem. They were mostly stuck being weirdos on 4chan.
I think the left-leaning online ecosystem has a genuine problem putting out content that appeals to men, especially with the same kind of emotional resonance as the red pill (bleep) of an Andrew Tate. HealthyGamerGG is the only example I can think of.
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
They’re significantly more right than Millennial males and Trump will likely win their demographic, however they are very disinterested in politics and likely don’t vote in large numbers.
this is all offset by Gen Z women being extremely liberal AND more politically involved and motivated to vote.
^ I totally believe it. I'm 30 and when I was a teenager, we all hated Republicans. There was still a gender gap but it wasn't pronounced and I imagine men around my age (give or take 2-3 years) are probably the most liberal/ Democratic cohort of men.
The big difference is that in our formative years, we didn't have all these red pill, anti-feminist youtubers a la Andrew Tate who basically made it acceptable to be anti-woman, anti-PoC, anti-LGBT within their own ecosystem. They were mostly stuck being weirdos on 4chan.
I think the left-leaning online ecosystem has a genuine problem putting out content that appeals to men, especially with the same kind of emotional resonance as the red pill (bleep) of an Andrew Tate. HealthyGamerGG is the only example I can think of.
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion.
Just curious (genuinely), how would describe the societal problem with the bolded? _________________ HARRISWALZ2024
They’re significantly more right than Millennial males and Trump will likely win their demographic, however they are very disinterested in politics and likely don’t vote in large numbers.
this is all offset by Gen Z women being extremely liberal AND more politically involved and motivated to vote.
^ I totally believe it. I'm 30 and when I was a teenager, we all hated Republicans. There was still a gender gap but it wasn't pronounced and I imagine men around my age (give or take 2-3 years) are probably the most liberal/ Democratic cohort of men.
The big difference is that in our formative years, we didn't have all these red pill, anti-feminist youtubers a la Andrew Tate who basically made it acceptable to be anti-woman, anti-PoC, anti-LGBT within their own ecosystem. They were mostly stuck being weirdos on 4chan.
I think the left-leaning online ecosystem has a genuine problem putting out content that appeals to men, especially with the same kind of emotional resonance as the red pill (bleep) of an Andrew Tate. HealthyGamerGG is the only example I can think of.
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion.
Just curious (genuinely), how would describe the societal problem with the bolded?
Men who present as low-energy, lacking virility, lacking drive and motivation, men who are "mama's boys," men who are afraid to take initiative and good risks, men who don't fight back when criticized or attacked, etc. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
They’re significantly more right than Millennial males and Trump will likely win their demographic, however they are very disinterested in politics and likely don’t vote in large numbers.
this is all offset by Gen Z women being extremely liberal AND more politically involved and motivated to vote.
^ I totally believe it. I'm 30 and when I was a teenager, we all hated Republicans. There was still a gender gap but it wasn't pronounced and I imagine men around my age (give or take 2-3 years) are probably the most liberal/ Democratic cohort of men.
The big difference is that in our formative years, we didn't have all these red pill, anti-feminist youtubers a la Andrew Tate who basically made it acceptable to be anti-woman, anti-PoC, anti-LGBT within their own ecosystem. They were mostly stuck being weirdos on 4chan.
I think the left-leaning online ecosystem has a genuine problem putting out content that appeals to men, especially with the same kind of emotional resonance as the red pill (bleep) of an Andrew Tate. HealthyGamerGG is the only example I can think of.
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion.
Just curious (genuinely), how would describe the societal problem with the bolded?
Men who present as low-energy, lacking virility, lacking drive and motivation, men who are "mama's boys," men who are afraid to take initiative and good risks, men who don't fight back when criticized or attacked, etc.
OK, though my question was how you see it as a problem for society. To me, those are passive personality traits that don't really affect society as a whole one way or the other. Again, I'm just trying to see where the societal problem might be. _________________ HARRISWALZ2024
They’re significantly more right than Millennial males and Trump will likely win their demographic, however they are very disinterested in politics and likely don’t vote in large numbers.
this is all offset by Gen Z women being extremely liberal AND more politically involved and motivated to vote.
^ I totally believe it. I'm 30 and when I was a teenager, we all hated Republicans. There was still a gender gap but it wasn't pronounced and I imagine men around my age (give or take 2-3 years) are probably the most liberal/ Democratic cohort of men.
The big difference is that in our formative years, we didn't have all these red pill, anti-feminist youtubers a la Andrew Tate who basically made it acceptable to be anti-woman, anti-PoC, anti-LGBT within their own ecosystem. They were mostly stuck being weirdos on 4chan.
I think the left-leaning online ecosystem has a genuine problem putting out content that appeals to men, especially with the same kind of emotional resonance as the red pill (bleep) of an Andrew Tate. HealthyGamerGG is the only example I can think of.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:17 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion.
Just curious (genuinely), how would describe the societal problem with the bolded?
Men who present as low-energy, lacking virility, lacking drive and motivation, men who are "mama's boys," men who are afraid to take initiative and good risks, men who don't fight back when criticized or attacked, etc.
OK, though my question was how you see it as a problem for society. To me, those are passive personality traits that don't really affect society as a whole one way or the other. Again, I'm just trying to see where the societal problem might be.
I think it's a problem because ultra-passive men like that have trouble getting themselves to college and graduating, holding down respectable jobs let alone finding and succeeding in an actual career, having a good social life, hooking up with chicks, getting married, etc.
There is a problem with men in my age group (Millennials and Gen Z) not going to college, not being able to support themselves financially, etc. At its worst, it leads to them being attracted to the MAGA movement and possibly even becoming violent or homicidal. Just look at the profiles and life stories of these mass shooters!
Besdies that, it's just a drain on society that these passive men don't make anything of themselves. It means their potential goes to waste, and companies won't get to benefit from their innate talent and potential. There's also a problem with women feeling there aren't that many men out there who are worthy of being attractive partners, let alone providers if they want to start a family. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:37 pm Post subject:
slavavov wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion.
Just curious (genuinely), how would describe the societal problem with the bolded?
Men who present as low-energy, lacking virility, lacking drive and motivation, men who are "mama's boys," men who are afraid to take initiative and good risks, men who don't fight back when criticized or attacked, etc.
OK, though my question was how you see it as a problem for society. To me, those are passive personality traits that don't really affect society as a whole one way or the other. Again, I'm just trying to see where the societal problem might be.
I think it's a problem because ultra-passive men like that have trouble getting themselves to college and graduating, holding down respectable jobs let alone finding and succeeding in an actual career, having a good social life, hooking up with chicks, getting married, etc.
There is a problem with men in my age group (Millennials and Gen Z) not going to college, not being able to support themselves financially, etc. At its worst, it leads to them being attracted to the MAGA movement and possibly even becoming violent or homicidal. Just look at the profiles and life stories of these mass shooters!
Besdies that, it's just a drain on society that these passive men don't make anything of themselves. It means their potential goes to waste, and companies won't get to benefit from their innate talent and potential. There's also a problem with women feeling there aren't that many men out there who are worthy of being attractive partners, let alone providers if they want to start a family.
Interesting. I always saw the problem as being with those who perceived themselves as being very masculine and thus great "catches" for women who became angry when women didn't flock to them, like Elliot Rodger going on his mass killing in Isla Vista. _________________ HARRISWALZ2024
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:59 pm Post subject:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
DaMuleRules wrote:
slavavov wrote:
I wish we on the left had influencers who would promote healthy masculinity while also denouncing toxic masculinity. Imo we have a societal problem with both toxic masculinity and men who lack masculinity.
The narrative is that men are being told by people on the left that being masculine in general is toxic. How do we counter this?
I'm as left-wing as it gets without being a socialist, and while I hate toxic masculinity and its polar opposite, I'm also a big fan of healthy masculinity mixed with empathy and compassion.
Just curious (genuinely), how would describe the societal problem with the bolded?
Men who present as low-energy, lacking virility, lacking drive and motivation, men who are "mama's boys," men who are afraid to take initiative and good risks, men who don't fight back when criticized or attacked, etc.
OK, though my question was how you see it as a problem for society. To me, those are passive personality traits that don't really affect society as a whole one way or the other. Again, I'm just trying to see where the societal problem might be.
I think it's a problem because ultra-passive men like that have trouble getting themselves to college and graduating, holding down respectable jobs let alone finding and succeeding in an actual career, having a good social life, hooking up with chicks, getting married, etc.
There is a problem with men in my age group (Millennials and Gen Z) not going to college, not being able to support themselves financially, etc. At its worst, it leads to them being attracted to the MAGA movement and possibly even becoming violent or homicidal. Just look at the profiles and life stories of these mass shooters!
Besdies that, it's just a drain on society that these passive men don't make anything of themselves. It means their potential goes to waste, and companies won't get to benefit from their innate talent and potential. There's also a problem with women feeling there aren't that many men out there who are worthy of being attractive partners, let alone providers if they want to start a family.
Interesting. I always saw the problem as being with those who perceived themselves as being very masculine and thus great "catches" for women who became angry when women didn't flock to them, like Elliot Rodger going on his mass killing in Isla Vista.
Sometimes people like that are actually really weak on the inside, and their self-perception of being very masculine is just compensation and a defense mechanism for the utter weakness and emptyness they have on the inside.
Just look at Donald Trump as a prime example of that. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:06 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
Someone compared Walz to Obama. I think Kamala is a closer comparison. Her delivery is off the charts. She knows when to inflect to drive home a point when to use empathy, and how to move to another point without losing the last. President to be Kamala Harris has become one hellofa orator. She knocked this one out of the park.
Maybe my favorite thing about Kamala is her joyful personality. It seems strange to think a prosecutor like her would be like that, because you'd expect prosecutors to be up-tight and even vengeful or vindictive.
I don't know if she was like that when she was a prosecutor, but those days are over. She and Tim Walz have brought some genuinely happy energy to our movement on the left. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
Musk has been accused of suspending accounts that are pro Harris. He's also has been accused of supressing trending topics that are pro democrats. Now he is removing the blue check marks of democrat attorney generals and secretary of states.
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Just noticed that the Attorneys General and Secretaries of State of Arizona and Michigan have had their blue check marks removed. What’s going on?
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:19 pm Post subject:
What you're noticing is the side effects of (1) the pandemic and (2) the internet's prevalence.
There are "masculine" progressive public figures young men can look up to nowadays. But the trend is bigger than that.
When cars came out, men who didn't ride horses were "wusses".
The 50s when white collar jobs surpassed blue collar jobs, there was a similar sentiment.
Quote:
A Nation of Employees: The Rise of White-Collar Workers and the Perceived Crisis of Masculinity in the 1950s
The pandemic isolated everybody. And got people used to being isolated. But everyone, (including young men) even before that were increasingly less social. The internet and video calling technology made everyone more connected than ever. And also more siloed than ever. Not HAVING to be with someone, in person, to spend time with them, was a dual edged sword.
Alot of the issues you mentioned young men are suffering from. Are connected to social development.
A big reason why I worked out, was to be attractive to the opposite sex when I went out. Same goes for getting an education, a job, financial security, etc. But things linked to going out and meeting people is less important in the modern day, when you have other options.
Plugging into a video game or the internet, or losing myself in a different reality by staring at one screen or another in my free time, all the time, was never an option I considered. And it wasn't an option as developed as it is now.
But with the rise of technology related to the internet, with both parents having to work to make ends meet (and utilizing technology to make up the difference of entertaining/developing their kids), young people are developing with a reliance on screen time, from an earlier and earlier age. _________________ When the world grows. Don't choose to stay the same.
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Prior to her rally in Detroit, Vice-President Harris met briefly with the co-founders of Uncommitted National Movement, a grassroots group that organized tens of thousands of voters in Michigan to withhold their votes from President Biden over his support for the Israeli military’s actions in Gaza.
VP Harris listened to the stories of their families, indicated she was open to meeting, and introduced them to her staff.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:37 pm Post subject:
kikanga wrote:
slavavov wrote:
I think it's a problem because ultra-passive men like that have trouble getting themselves to college and graduating, holding down respectable jobs let alone finding and succeeding in an actual career, having a good social life, hooking up with chicks, getting married, etc.
There is a problem with men in my age group (Millennials and Gen Z) not going to college, not being able to support themselves financially, etc. At its worst, it leads to them being attracted to the MAGA movement and possibly even becoming violent or homicidal. Just look at the profiles and life stories of these mass shooters!
Besdies that, it's just a drain on society that these passive men don't make anything of themselves. It means their potential goes to waste, and companies won't get to benefit from their innate talent and potential. There's also a problem with women feeling there aren't that many men out there who are worthy of being attractive partners, let alone providers if they want to start a family.
What you're noticing is the side effects of (1) the pandemic and (2) the internet's prevalence.
There are "masculine" progressive public figures young men can look up to nowadays. But the trend is bigger than that.
When cars came out, men who didn't ride horses were "wusses".
The 50s when white collar jobs surpassed blue collar jobs, there was a similar sentiment.
Quote:
A Nation of Employees: The Rise of White-Collar Workers and the Perceived Crisis of Masculinity in the 1950s
The pandemic isolated everybody. And got people used to being isolated. But everyone, (including young men) even before that were increasingly less social. The internet and video calling technology made everyone more connected than ever. And also more siloed than ever. Not HAVING to be with someone, in person, to spend time with them, was a dual edged sword.
Alot of the issues you mentioned young men are suffering from. Are connected to social development.
A big reason why I worked out, was to be attractive to the opposite sex when I went out. Same goes for getting an education, a job, financial security, etc. But things linked to going out and meeting people is less important in the modern day, when you have other options.
Plugging into a video game or the internet, or losing myself in a different reality by staring at one screen or another in my free time, all the time, was never an option I considered. And it wasn't an option as developed as it is now.
But with the rise of technology related to the internet, with both parents having to work to make ends meet (and utilizing technology to make up the difference of entertaining/developing their kids), young people are developing with a reliance on screen time, from an earlier and earlier age.
I agree with a lot of what you said. I think male libido is a great thing, and in fact, having lots of libido can prevent toxic masculinity and prevent someone from having to "flex" or engage in other compensatory behaviors. When you have a healthy libido, you'll be self-assured with your masculinity and have "big dick energy" where you won't feel like you have to prove anything to other people.
I also blame social media for some of this supposed crisis of masculinity. In middle school and early in high school, I was addicted to video games, but I started to keep it in moderation and started working on my social life when I was 15 or 16. It was the best decision I've ever made. _________________ Lakers 49ers Chargers Dodgers
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 6:38 pm Post subject:
32 wrote:
Quote:
Prior to her rally in Detroit, Vice-President Harris met briefly with the co-founders of Uncommitted National Movement, a grassroots group that organized tens of thousands of voters in Michigan to withhold their votes from President Biden over his support for the Israeli military’s actions in Gaza.
VP Harris listened to the stories of their families, indicated she was open to meeting, and introduced them to her staff.
Navigating Israel-Palestine in a way that she can secure Michigan is a bigger challenge to Kamala than Trump. _________________ When the world grows. Don't choose to stay the same.
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Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:05 pm Post subject:
jodeke wrote:
Ari Melber is eating Steven Miller from the Trump campaign alive on MSNBC.
Every time I see that dude, I can't help but picture him in a Gestapo (or is it Gazpacho?) uniform. _________________ "Suck it up. Don't be a baby. Do your job." - Kobe Bryant
I think it's a problem because ultra-passive men like that have trouble getting themselves to college and graduating, holding down respectable jobs let alone finding and succeeding in an actual career, having a good social life, hooking up with chicks, getting married, etc.
There is a problem with men in my age group (Millennials and Gen Z) not going to college, not being able to support themselves financially, etc. At its worst, it leads to them being attracted to the MAGA movement and possibly even becoming violent or homicidal. Just look at the profiles and life stories of these mass shooters!
Besdies that, it's just a drain on society that these passive men don't make anything of themselves. It means their potential goes to waste, and companies won't get to benefit from their innate talent and potential. There's also a problem with women feeling there aren't that many men out there who are worthy of being attractive partners, let alone providers if they want to start a family.
What you're noticing is the side effects of (1) the pandemic and (2) the internet's prevalence.
There are "masculine" progressive public figures young men can look up to nowadays. But the trend is bigger than that.
When cars came out, men who didn't ride horses were "wusses".
The 50s when white collar jobs surpassed blue collar jobs, there was a similar sentiment.
Quote:
A Nation of Employees: The Rise of White-Collar Workers and the Perceived Crisis of Masculinity in the 1950s
The pandemic isolated everybody. And got people used to being isolated. But everyone, (including young men) even before that were increasingly less social. The internet and video calling technology made everyone more connected than ever. And also more siloed than ever. Not HAVING to be with someone, in person, to spend time with them, was a dual edged sword.
Alot of the issues you mentioned young men are suffering from. Are connected to social development.
A big reason why I worked out in my early 20s, was to be attractive to the opposite sex when I went out. Same goes for getting an education, a job, financial security, etc. But things linked to going out and meeting people is less important in the modern day, when you have other options.
Plugging into a video game or the internet, or losing myself in a different reality by staring at one screen or another in my free time, all the time, was never an option I considered. And it wasn't an option as developed as it is now.
But with the rise of technology related to the internet, with both parents having to work to make ends meet (and utilizing technology to make up the difference of entertaining/developing their kids), young people are developing with a reliance on screen time, from an earlier and earlier age.
The difference between now and the past, as I said in my original post, is that teenage boys have been getting redpilled since maybe 2016 and we finally have a generation of young men who grew up on misogynistic stuff ranging from Jordan Peterson to Andrew Tate. It's hard to explain just how formative people are in their teens. The parasocial nature of Youtube has created these authority figures for people rebelling from their parents.
One consequence of that is that there are now online spaces where transphobia, racism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia and more are entirely acceptable. The Democratic party does not even allow you to entertain any of these, so they naturally drift to the alt right where they are GOP-adjacent, but in the new wing that's associated more with guys like JD Vance and Donald Trump than Mitt Romney.
I think the "kids just want to play video games instead of go to the gym" take is pretty insipid.
There are a lot of genuine issues in the boys' spaces and Democrats do not take them very seriously, and to the extent that they do, they don't approach these issues in a way that resonates with young boys. We're all about discouraging toxic masculinity, but what is the positive vision of masculinity? I actually think this is the appeal of Tim Walz -- I think most would agree that it took courage to come out as pro-gay marriage/ defend the GSA well before it was a popular opinion nationally, let alone in a rural community. But the online ecosystem for teenage boys is skewed towards alt right (bleep) like Andrew Tate. There are some creators, but not enough.
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