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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:17 am    Post subject:

https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in the nation’s capital, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The agents, assigned to protect Naomi Biden, were out with her in the Georgetown neighborhood late Sunday night when they saw the three people breaking a window of the parked and unoccupied SUV, the official said. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on Monday on the condition of anonymity.

One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. The three people were seen fleeing in a red car, and the Secret Service said it put out a regional bulletin to Metropolitan Police to be on the lookout for it.


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Even coming after the grand kids of leaders eh....

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:23 am    Post subject:

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https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in the nation’s capital, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The agents, assigned to protect Naomi Biden, were out with her in the Georgetown neighborhood late Sunday night when they saw the three people breaking a window of the parked and unoccupied SUV, the official said. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on Monday on the condition of anonymity.

One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. The three people were seen fleeing in a red car, and the Secret Service said it put out a regional bulletin to Metropolitan Police to be on the lookout for it.


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Even coming after the grand kids of leaders eh....


Seems to me they were trying to steal a car. The SUV was unmarked. I don't think the thieves would try to steal a secret service car. They picked the wrong car. Biden should have the agents qualify at the gun range. They didn't hit anything.
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Death toll in Gaza likely ‘higher than is being reported

A senior Biden administration official said the death toll of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip is likely far higher than the 10,000 number being reported by the health ministry amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, told a House panel those killed more than one month into the war are likely “higher than is being cited.”


https://thehill.com/policy/international/4301551-gaza-deaths-likely-higher-than-cited-us-official/
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:00 pm    Post subject:

Once again, Trump said "Obama" instead of "Biden." Is this a sign of the cognitive decline his followers accuse Biden of having, or is he just under too much stress, or is it something else?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:05 pm    Post subject:

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Death toll in Gaza likely ‘higher than is being reported

A senior Biden administration official said the death toll of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip is likely far higher than the 10,000 number being reported by the health ministry amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, told a House panel those killed more than one month into the war are likely “higher than is being cited.”


https://thehill.com/policy/international/4301551-gaza-deaths-likely-higher-than-cited-us-official/


What we know for sure is that the number of Hamas fighters killed is greater than zero.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:43 pm    Post subject:

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Death toll in Gaza likely ‘higher than is being reported

A senior Biden administration official said the death toll of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip is likely far higher than the 10,000 number being reported by the health ministry amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

Barbara Leaf, assistant secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs, told a House panel those killed more than one month into the war are likely “higher than is being cited.”


https://thehill.com/policy/international/4301551-gaza-deaths-likely-higher-than-cited-us-official/


What we know for sure is that the number of Hamas fighters killed is greater than zero.


And that number of dead Hamas is but a tiny fraction of the number of women and children killed in the attempts to get the actual Hamas members.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:11 pm    Post subject:

Trump's sister died earlier today. He hasn't said a word about it all day.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:26 pm    Post subject:

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Trump's sister died earlier today. He hasn't said a word about it all day.


Maryanne Trump Barry, Retired Judge and Donald Trump Sister, Dies at 86

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:59 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
Daikatana wrote:
https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in the nation’s capital, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The agents, assigned to protect Naomi Biden, were out with her in the Georgetown neighborhood late Sunday night when they saw the three people breaking a window of the parked and unoccupied SUV, the official said. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on Monday on the condition of anonymity.

One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. The three people were seen fleeing in a red car, and the Secret Service said it put out a regional bulletin to Metropolitan Police to be on the lookout for it.


Aye...

Even coming after the grand kids of leaders eh....


Seems to me they were trying to steal a car. The SUV was unmarked. I don't think the thieves would try to steal a secret service car. They picked the wrong car. Biden should have the agents qualify at the gun range. They didn't hit anything.


Shooting and killing an unarmed car thief is murder, no?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:04 am    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Daikatana wrote:
https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in the nation’s capital, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The agents, assigned to protect Naomi Biden, were out with her in the Georgetown neighborhood late Sunday night when they saw the three people breaking a window of the parked and unoccupied SUV, the official said. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on Monday on the condition of anonymity.

One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. The three people were seen fleeing in a red car, and the Secret Service said it put out a regional bulletin to Metropolitan Police to be on the lookout for it.


Aye...

Even coming after the grand kids of leaders eh....


Seems to me they were trying to steal a car. The SUV was unmarked. I don't think the thieves would try to steal a secret service car. They picked the wrong car. Biden should have the agents qualify at the gun range. They didn't hit anything.


Shooting and killing an unarmed car thief is murder, no?

Yes but SS agent have variances. . No, they shouldn't shoot an unarmed car thief. Let me put my statement in context. These agents are assigned to protect Naomi Biden, President Biden's granddaughter. They were out in the neighborhood with her. Let's suppose the perps were there to do her harm. IMO the agents have to be better shots. I think they were trying to hit the perps they just aren't good shooters. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they were just trying to scare the perps.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:21 am    Post subject:

jodeke wrote:
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jodeke wrote:
Daikatana wrote:
https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in the nation’s capital, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The agents, assigned to protect Naomi Biden, were out with her in the Georgetown neighborhood late Sunday night when they saw the three people breaking a window of the parked and unoccupied SUV, the official said. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on Monday on the condition of anonymity.

One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. The three people were seen fleeing in a red car, and the Secret Service said it put out a regional bulletin to Metropolitan Police to be on the lookout for it.


Aye...

Even coming after the grand kids of leaders eh....


Seems to me they were trying to steal a car. The SUV was unmarked. I don't think the thieves would try to steal a secret service car. They picked the wrong car. Biden should have the agents qualify at the gun range. They didn't hit anything.


Shooting and killing an unarmed car thief is murder, no?

Yes but SS agent have variances. . No, they shouldn't shoot an unarmed car thief. Let me put my statement in context. These agents are assigned to protect Naomi Biden, President Biden's granddaughter. They were out in the neighborhood with her. Let's suppose the perps were there to do her harm. IMO the agents have to be better shots. I think they were trying to hit the perps they just aren't good shooters. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they were just trying to scare the perps.


Agree @ they need to be better shots. Shooting to miss or scare is lunacy. If you're shooting, shoot to hit.

But shooting at someone breaking into a car? Unless the car is marked "do not touch, government property, use of deadly force authorized," the Agents should be disciplined. As a civilian, if I shoot at someone breaking into my car, I could get charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm. If I hit the subject, I'm definitely getting criminal charges, along with a fat lawsuit.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:54 am    Post subject:

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Meanwhile in our country. Trump has now openly transitioned to using Hitler/Nazi language at his rallies and in tweets. Specifically calling the left and Democrats "thugs" and "vermin" that needs to be eradicated. He's gone full Nazi. The press is just barely pretending to notice and a few have called it out. But NYT headline said something like, "Trump takes a different turn" in his Veteran's day speech. Yeah, when "different" means "full-Hitler."

And for those that don't know, the term "vermin" is well-known Nazi code for dehumanizing Jews in preparation for eradicating them.

Forbes: Trump Compares Political Foes To ‘Vermin’ On Veterans Day—Echoing Nazi Propaganda

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TOPLINE Former President Donald Trump pledged to eliminate political extremist groups that “lie, steal and cheat on elections,” calling them “vermin” during a speech Saturday and in a Truth Social post commemorating Veterans Day—echoing a term Nazis often used in antisemitic propaganda to dehumanize Jews, equating them to parasites who spread disease.

Trump made a “pledge” to “root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country” in a Truth Social post Saturday “in honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day.”

Trump accused the groups of doing “anything possible to destroy America, and the American Dream,” adding that “the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within.”

He repeated the phrasing at a rally in New Hampshire later Saturday, referring to “the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country” and declaring “the real threat is not from the radical right, the real threat is from the radical left.”

The former president’s incendiary rhetoric invokes a term frequently used by Nazis to dehumanize Jews, including a 1939 quote attributed to Hitler: “This vermin must be destroyed. The Jews are our sworn enemies,” he told the Czech foreign minister, according to historical accounts.


From Trump's campaign on those who compare him to Hitler:

"[T]hose who try to make that ridiculous assertion are clearly snowflakes grasping for anything because they are suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and their entire existence will be crushed when President Trump returns to the White House," Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told the Post in a statement.

Not exactly the most convincing way to shutdown claims that Trump has or will go "full-Hitler"
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:58 am    Post subject:

The Speaker of the House just endorsed Trump for 2024. So basically Trump has cart blanche to engage in a vengeance tour in the 2nd term.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:23 pm    Post subject:

Had to check someone who was downplaying the risk of a 2nd Trump Presidency the other day.

I told them. If he gets back into the WH. He won’t leave.

They thought I was being dramatic. I brought up Trump quotes of him saying he wants to be leader for life. That any election he loses is rigged. Quotes saying he wants to be like Xi, Putin, and other dictators in “democracies”. And I had them Google the list of “backsliding Democracies”. To show them it wouldn't be the first time a democracy has fallen recently.

That shut them up real quick.

It is not dramatic to say our country remaining a democracy is at stake in the next election.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:08 pm    Post subject:

Ex Trump allies telling prosecutors about efforts to overturn the elections.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:31 pm    Post subject:

I've been warning of this for some time. It's so obvious and disturbing. What worries me is his ability to cheat. I've reordered my Prozac. I'm storing them for the election. My prayer is he won't be the GOP candidate.

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I've been warning of this for some time. It's so obvious and disturbing. What worries me is his ability to cheat. I've reordered my Prozac. I'm storing them for the election. My prayer is he won't be the GOP candidate.

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It is not dramatic to say our country remaining a democracy is at stake in the next election.


To make things worse. Voter intimidation will be at an all time high.

Trump told his fans they 'don't have to vote' and should 'watch' other voters instead.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:47 pm    Post subject:

I hope he wins and Fox News gets the fate of Great Benefit in the movie Rainmaker. Punitive damage can be very damaging.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 7:49 am    Post subject:

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Shooting and killing an unarmed car thief is murder, no?


I imagine a Secret Service vehicle contains assets in the form of communications, weaponry, etc., that change the calculus on this one.
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Dr. Laker wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
jodeke wrote:
Daikatana wrote:
https://apnews.com/article/naomi-biden-secret-service-shooting-washington-georgetown-997126378e864c5acd0c9a1c6618c4e2

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in the nation’s capital, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

The agents, assigned to protect Naomi Biden, were out with her in the Georgetown neighborhood late Sunday night when they saw the three people breaking a window of the parked and unoccupied SUV, the official said. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to the AP on Monday on the condition of anonymity.

One of the agents opened fire, but no one was struck by the gunfire, the Secret Service said in a statement. The three people were seen fleeing in a red car, and the Secret Service said it put out a regional bulletin to Metropolitan Police to be on the lookout for it.


Aye...

Even coming after the grand kids of leaders eh....


Seems to me they were trying to steal a car. The SUV was unmarked. I don't think the thieves would try to steal a secret service car. They picked the wrong car. Biden should have the agents qualify at the gun range. They didn't hit anything.


Shooting and killing an unarmed car thief is murder, no?

Yes but SS agent have variances. . No, they shouldn't shoot an unarmed car thief. Let me put my statement in context. These agents are assigned to protect Naomi Biden, President Biden's granddaughter. They were out in the neighborhood with her. Let's suppose the perps were there to do her harm. IMO the agents have to be better shots. I think they were trying to hit the perps they just aren't good shooters. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they were just trying to scare the perps.


Agree @ they need to be better shots. Shooting to miss or scare is lunacy. If you're shooting, shoot to hit.

But shooting at someone breaking into a car? Unless the car is marked "do not touch, government property, use of deadly force authorized," the Agents should be disciplined. As a civilian, if I shoot at someone breaking into my car, I could get charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm. If I hit the subject, I'm definitely getting criminal charges, along with a fat lawsuit.
You and I are private citizens, not privy to government protocol. Does the protocol allow shooting in this instance? The president's granddaughter was in the area. That has to play into how SS agents react to what's happening. You're right shooting to scare doesn't make sense.
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Not surprising. The hit and runners are as predictable as they are FOS.


Linda linked an article by the Washington Post as her proof Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Here is a link to the Washington post, admitting that there previous reporting about Russia gate was a lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washington-post-steele-dossier/2021/11/12/f7c9b770-43d5-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html

She also posted a link from the Senate intelligence committee. Literally, the same people who lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and dead babies in incubators.

Explain, why was the Hillary Clinton campaign fined $113,000 by the federal election committee. People who lie are FOS.
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Not surprising. The hit and runners are as predictable as they are FOS.


Linda linked an article by the Washington Post as her proof Russia interfered in the 2016 election. Here is a link to the Washington post, admitting that there previous reporting about Russia gate was a lie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/media-washington-post-steele-dossier/2021/11/12/f7c9b770-43d5-11ec-a88e-2aa4632af69b_story.html

She also posted a link from the Senate intelligence committee. Literally, the same people who lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and dead babies in incubators.

Explain, why was the Hillary Clinton campaign fined $113,000 by the federal election committee. People who lie are FOS.


As CL pointed out, you keep moving the bar. Clinton agreed to a settlement the case involving how financing was reported. I suppose one can characterize that as a lie. But that has nothing to with the fact that Russia does use social media in an attempt to influence American's POV.

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As CL pointed out, you keep moving the bar. Clinton agreed to a settlement the case involving how financing was reported. I suppose one can characterize that as a lie. But that has nothing to with the fact that Russia does use social media in an attempt to influence American's POV.

Russia's Information War Is Being Waged on Social Media Platforms


I didn’t move any bar. I posted proof that the Hillary Clinton campaign lied about the Steele dossier, and its origins. She was literally caught lying about Russia gate. But, like adult children of alcoholics, Democrats just ignore that.

This is literally an opinion piece that says people need to watch out for miss-information.
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