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ocho Retired Number


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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 9:39 am Post subject: |
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vasashi17+ wrote: | Presti has to deal with small market, cheap ownership and star FAs ducking his franchise. Yet along the margins & trading for current/developing stars is what puts him head over shoulders above Rob & many of his peers.
Pay that man big money to join a big market team with a not so frugal owner like Clay Bennett & watch that man cook. I understand that fans want to defend our franchise against other ones, but call a spam, a spam! Dudes been the jack of all ish & been draggin’ our franchise to a dumpster fire. Where there’s smoke, there’s this bloke.
Also a reminder that our ownership his ducked an expensive roster in the past (see allowing AC, Schro, BLo, Jules, waiving Beas/Mo to hit free agency just to name a few examples as ways they ducked a larger bill….however, we are repeater tax payers for a reason). Jeanie may have a scent of cheapness, but Clay reeks of it! |
I really believe people have gotten so used to having a bad GM they don’t realize how much our inherent advantages make him seem better than he is. We haven’t had an elite decision maker since West left. Anyone that thinks Presti wouldn’t be an overwhelming improvement is crazy or trolling. Unfortunately, we are limited to a hiring pool of Jeanie’s social circle. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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Reds622 Star Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | vasashi17+ wrote: | Presti has to deal with small market, cheap ownership and star FAs ducking his franchise. Yet along the margins & trading for current/developing stars is what puts him head over shoulders above Rob & many of his peers.
Pay that man big money to join a big market team with a not so frugal owner like Clay Bennett & watch that man cook. I understand that fans want to defend our franchise against other ones, but call a spam, a spam! Dudes been the jack of all ish & been draggin’ our franchise to a dumpster fire. Where there’s smoke, there’s this bloke.
Also a reminder that our ownership his ducked an expensive roster in the past (see allowing AC, Schro, BLo, Jules, waiving Beas/Mo to hit free agency just to name a few examples as ways they ducked a larger bill….however, we are repeater tax payers for a reason). Jeanie may have a scent of cheapness, but Clay reeks of it! |
I really believe people have gotten so used to having a bad GM they don’t realize how much our inherent advantages make him seem better than he is. We haven’t had an elite decision maker since West left. Anyone that thinks Presti wouldn’t be an overwhelming improvement is crazy or trolling. Unfortunately, we are limited to a hiring pool of Jeanie’s social circle. |
NBA teams play to win championships. He hasn't won anything as the leader of the franchise. Hard to really say he's "the best," when he hasn't won, isn't it? Pelinka has more titles than he does...
You can make all the excuses that you want... small market, terrible owner, etc., fine.
He traded a generational talent in Harden and didn't get enough of a return. He traded Sabonis for George and got bailed out when the desperate Clippers unloaded all of their assets for him. He held on to Westbrook for too long both while they had Durant and after he left. Westbrook was/is a losing player and he should have cashed him out sooner.
He didn't make a move at the deadline last season when it was obvious they needed size. He had a boatload of picks and didn't cash any of them in to fill an obvious need when the team was situated to possibly make a run. He didn't have to cash them all in... but he could have done SOMETHING to address an obvious need.
Tanking and drafting players with high draft picks doesn't impress me. They've had a lot of losing seasons and a lot of very high draft picks. One would expect to cash those into decent players, depending on the draft.
If it wasn't for the desperate Clippers they would be a middle of the pack team right now. Good for him for getting them to pay up, but it wasn't a genius move, sorry. |
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ocho Retired Number


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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Anyone that thinks Presti wouldn’t be an overwhelming improvement is crazy or trolling. |
Leaning towards trolling in this case. Feeling charitable. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Quote: | Anyone that thinks Presti wouldn’t be an overwhelming improvement is crazy or trolling. |
Leaning towards trolling in this case. Feeling charitable. |
I don't think it's trolling, it's the RANGZ brain rot |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes I think about trading Danny Green & the pick that became McDaniels to get Schroder who we let walk after a year |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | Sometimes I think about trading Danny Green & the pick that became McDaniels to get Schroder who we let walk after a year |
The letting him walk thing was the real crime. The trade itself was good to great. Danny Green really fell off after that and Schroder was a 6MOY type guy and another ballhandler. It's just that his attitude was so bad that first stint. If we got 2023 Schroder in 2020 and locked him up for years on a bargain, it would've really helped our team. |
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Presti is the reason Oklahoma (bleep) City has one of the highest win percentages of the last 15 years. He drafted MVPs and pivoted successfully time and time again when ownership cheaped out on him. |
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What really irks me is that he had the #1 and championship dominant defense and blue print, trashed all the pieces into the garbage and then even though he had a chance to get back to that level using WB's expring deal + draft picks he instead used it on offense first/1-way players.
Not only did he give AD/Bron elite offense ala Warriors/Nuggets at their best, he didn't even give them back the elite defense they once had in the 2019-2021 era.
It isn't hard to build defense around AD. Pelinka has made it. The blue print was right there for him. Athletic big with long arms that can rim protect, guards and small wings that will give high defensive motors off the ball, run around and through screens if they have to. A POA defender. AD being able to play the 4 and 5. It isn't some rocket science. He's made it that way. |
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tox Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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levon wrote: | tox wrote: | Sometimes I think about trading Danny Green & the pick that became McDaniels to get Schroder who we let walk after a year |
The letting him walk thing was the real crime. The trade itself was good to great. Danny Green really fell off after that and Schroder was a 6MOY type guy and another ballhandler. It's just that his attitude was so bad that first stint. If we got 2023 Schroder in 2020 and locked him up for years on a bargain, it would've really helped our team. |
It's not a bad trade in isolation but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it's just another example of us coughing up FRPs or players worth FRPs. I'm just a random fan and I've long understood FRPs to largely be the currency of the NBA and it seems like Rob only recently has started to understand that |
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levon Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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tox wrote: | levon wrote: | tox wrote: | Sometimes I think about trading Danny Green & the pick that became McDaniels to get Schroder who we let walk after a year |
The letting him walk thing was the real crime. The trade itself was good to great. Danny Green really fell off after that and Schroder was a 6MOY type guy and another ballhandler. It's just that his attitude was so bad that first stint. If we got 2023 Schroder in 2020 and locked him up for years on a bargain, it would've really helped our team. |
It's not a bad trade in isolation but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth when it's just another example of us coughing up FRPs or players worth FRPs. I'm just a random fan and I've long understood FRPs to largely be the currency of the NBA and it seems like Rob only recently has started to understand that |
I mean it was the 28th overall pick for a contender. I think that trade largely got B grades across the board for LA. Hindsight's 20/20 |
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Reds622 Star Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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ocho wrote: | Quote: | Anyone that thinks Presti wouldn’t be an overwhelming improvement is crazy or trolling. |
Leaning towards trolling in this case. Feeling charitable. |
I don’t know who you are, or who you think you are, but failing to articulate your position in any sort of meaningful way is a YOU problem. |
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Halflife Franchise Player

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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Other than being Kobe’s agent, was there any reason to hire this guy? It’s not like an NBA team would hire David Falk or Arn Tellem to be their GM. A GM and player agent are two far different roles. |
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zambia Star Player

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Dominic1981 wrote: | Other than being Kobe’s agent, was there any reason to hire this guy? It’s not like an NBA team would hire David Falk or Arn Tellem to be their GM. A GM and player agent are two far different roles. |
Have you ever heard of a GM, hiring a recreation league coach.
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 1:29 am Post subject: |
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Reds622 wrote: | ocho wrote: | Quote: | Anyone that thinks Presti wouldn’t be an overwhelming improvement is crazy or trolling. |
Leaning towards trolling in this case. Feeling charitable. |
I don’t know who you are, or who you think you are, but failing to articulate your position in any sort of meaningful way is a YOU problem. |
As is a lack of reading comprehension _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Dominic1981 wrote: | Other than being Kobe’s agent, was there any reason to hire this guy? It’s not like an NBA team would hire David Falk or Arn Tellem to be their GM. A GM and player agent are two far different roles. |
Not defending Pelinka because I have done nothing but criticize him since he was hired. But some agents have made that move with some success. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Halflife wrote: | If we flame out this year he’s out imho. |
where we are now is flat out reason that he needs to be fired. _________________ Indianapolis Colts
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Halflife Franchise Player

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DrWolf wrote: | Halflife wrote: | If we flame out this year he’s out imho. |
where we are now is flat out reason that he needs to be fired. |
I just don't think it happens mid season- we need to miss the playin or get bounced again in the 1st round - Bron isn't going anywhere BUT if he is moved and we get Kuminga ++ in return that could save him. _________________ https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDfvXWXvpeb/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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What happened to the Rockets after their GM resigned? They were a mess a few years ago when Morey bailed. Imagine if Pelinka did the same and we've got a new, presumably more competent GM.
C'mon Pelinka. Just resign. Jeanie won't fire you.
You were great as a player agent. Stick to what you're good at. Beat out Rich Paul as the number one agent. _________________ Lakers used to average one championship every four years under Dr. Buss but I'd gladly take one every ten years now. |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | What really irks me is that he had the #1 and championship dominant defense and blue print, trashed all the pieces into the garbage and then even though he had a chance to get back to that level using WB's expring deal + draft picks he instead used it on offense first/1-way players.
Not only did he give AD/Bron elite offense ala Warriors/Nuggets at their best, he didn't even give them back the elite defense they once had in the 2019-2021 era.
It isn't hard to build defense around AD. Pelinka has made it. The blue print was right there for him. Athletic big with long arms that can rim protect, guards and small wings that will give high defensive motors off the ball, run around and through screens if they have to. A POA defender. AD being able to play the 4 and 5. It isn't some rocket science. He's made it that way. |
He probably has no idea what’re the elements help us winning the championship that year. I could understand the Green for Schroeder trade and Marc Gasol signing. Every moves he has made after that, pivoted away from that blueprint. It really seems like the championship squad was luck more than anything. |
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Halflife Franchise Player

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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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This is a terrible job for a GM right now. |
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The bottom line is this team isn't going to make moves to try and win championships as long as Lebron is still on the roster. He's almost 40 now and it makes zero sense to trade a valuable pick away to make some last ditch effort. We already did this with the Westbrick trade and the end result was disastrous. No way they're trying this again.
Rob was hired for the post Lebron-era and Bronnie was hired for the marketing/business side of it, along with a favor to Lebron.
Just gotta hope he announces this will be his last season so we can start the rebuild because if not, Lebron will just be another year older and the team will be even worse. |
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Halflife Franchise Player

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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:14 am Post subject: |
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george w kush wrote: | n
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disagree - Rob has turned out to be the perfect GM for a Klutch led team- Guys like Myers arent that - Bron/Klutch are the real GM's, Rob is in place to cater to their whims and take the backlash. |
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 10:04 am Post subject: |
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All the people that complain have no actual "he should have done this instead", it's almost always just hindsight arm chair criticism.
The reality is we don't have much flexibility, we're paying a 40 year old a giga max salary and he's no where near a max salary player on the court. Trying to build a championship roster while being handicapped like that is impossible. |
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