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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 10:58 pm    Post subject:

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At the end of the day none of your narratives matters and noone cares about it. They will look at overall stats, accomplishment, achievements and records at the end. Just like WILT... 1 TITLE, 1 FINALS MVP, multiple records broken as a Laker will be enough to get Lebron's jersey up there.

Rondo and Mitch were ROLE PLAYERS!!! Mitch played like 1 season for the Lakers and averaged like 4.1ppg.

At the end Lebron and most likely AD's jerseys will be retired. That's already a given. No narratives or deflections needed.


Nooo you cant push "role player" as your defense,....BOTH are future hall of famers and won a chip with the LAKERS..soooo? what are you talking about?

Somebody said at some time every jersey will be retired...but the REASON that it shouldnt happen is because to retire a jersey means you contributed greatly to the franchise and seen by the org as the best of the best. Few players should get that honor. Its like a purple heart..people get them but they put their life on the line for their country sometimes resulting in being buried...One of the highest honors..and thats what a retirement of your jersey is suppose to mean. Those players in those rafters gave everything and their body for this organization..they did something truely great...THIS IS WHY I SAID KANG's JERSEY SHOULD RETIRE IN CLEV OR MIA....If Clev dont win a chip this year JAMES Jersy should retire in CLEV as he done something no other player has done for that org and thats bring them a chip.

Same as Kawai / George/ Harden..if they win a chip for the clippers..they deserve to get their jersey retired in the clippers rafters. Kawhai also deserves his Jersey retired in TOR--If TOR had multiple chips and kawha won as a clipper a chip..then he shouldnt get a retire in TOR BUT FOR THE CLIPPERS..let me repeat why...HE GAVE THE CLIPPERS SOMETHING THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE WHILE TOR HE PLAYED 1 YEAR BUT THEY ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE CHIPS(FICTIONAL). LA KANG has done nothing great for this franchise that hasnt been done or recognized as truely great...... Want another example to beat this like a dead horse?

Klay comes over here the lakers and wins a chip..He SHOULDNT get a retired jersey HERE..He should get his jersey retired in GS becasue he gave them a dynasty...he contributed more there and gave them something they never really had.


Dude you can't be this naive... Were Rondo and Mitch the main reason why the Lakers won the title? Rondo/Mitch HOF careers but were not HOF'er caliber of players during their Lakers years. It will be the same if Klay comes here and won a title as a role player. That's the end of that argument specially if you can't tell the difference between those guys and Lebron.

What you think of Lebron's greatness does not matter at the end, specially when your judgement is already clouded by your hatred towards him. He will get his jersey retired based on Wilts and Goodrich standards alone.

We can agree to disagree all day... I'm moving on from this.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2024 11:49 pm    Post subject:

Lebron would probably make the hall of fame based on his Lakers career alone.

  • 1x NBA Champion
  • 1x Finals MVP
  • 6x All-Star
  • 5x All-NBA team (this season not in yet)
  • Led the League in Assists
  • Averaged over 30 points in a season
  • Finished 2nd in MVP voting, and 3x in the top 10 in MVP voting.
  • Averaged 27, 8, 8 as a Laker
  • Averaged 26, 10, 8 in playoffs as a Laker


Not to mention of course becoming the NBA's leading scorer as a Laker.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:00 am    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
JustaObserver wrote:
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At the end of the day none of your narratives matters and noone cares about it. They will look at overall stats, accomplishment, achievements and records at the end. Just like WILT... 1 TITLE, 1 FINALS MVP, multiple records broken as a Laker will be enough to get Lebron's jersey up there.

Rondo and Mitch were ROLE PLAYERS!!! Mitch played like 1 season for the Lakers and averaged like 4.1ppg.

At the end Lebron and most likely AD's jerseys will be retired. That's already a given. No narratives or deflections needed.


Nooo you cant push "role player" as your defense,....BOTH are future hall of famers and won a chip with the LAKERS..soooo? what are you talking about?

Somebody said at some time every jersey will be retired...but the REASON that it shouldnt happen is because to retire a jersey means you contributed greatly to the franchise and seen by the org as the best of the best. Few players should get that honor. Its like a purple heart..people get them but they put their life on the line for their country sometimes resulting in being buried...One of the highest honors..and thats what a retirement of your jersey is suppose to mean. Those players in those rafters gave everything and their body for this organization..they did something truely great...THIS IS WHY I SAID KANG's JERSEY SHOULD RETIRE IN CLEV OR MIA....If Clev dont win a chip this year JAMES Jersy should retire in CLEV as he done something no other player has done for that org and thats bring them a chip.

Same as Kawai / George/ Harden..if they win a chip for the clippers..they deserve to get their jersey retired in the clippers rafters. Kawhai also deserves his Jersey retired in TOR--If TOR had multiple chips and kawha won as a clipper a chip..then he shouldnt get a retire in TOR BUT FOR THE CLIPPERS..let me repeat why...HE GAVE THE CLIPPERS SOMETHING THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE WHILE TOR HE PLAYED 1 YEAR BUT THEY ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE CHIPS(FICTIONAL). LA KANG has done nothing great for this franchise that hasnt been done or recognized as truely great...... Want another example to beat this like a dead horse?

Klay comes over here the lakers and wins a chip..He SHOULDNT get a retired jersey HERE..He should get his jersey retired in GS becasue he gave them a dynasty...he contributed more there and gave them something they never really had.


Dude you can't be this naive... Were Rondo and Mitch the main reason why the Lakers won the title? Rondo/Mitch HOF careers but were not HOF'er caliber of players during their Lakers years. It will be the same if Klay comes here and won a title as a role player. That's the end of that argument specially if you can't tell the difference between those guys and Lebron.

What you think of Lebron's greatness does not matter at the end, specially when your judgement is already clouded by your hatred towards him. He will get his jersey retired based on Wilts and Goodrich standards alone.

We can agree to disagree all day... I'm moving on from this.


He was moving the goal posts every damn sentence all over the place lmao.. The post is barely coherent overall but that hate he has is def. clear as day.

He's 110% getting his jersey hung and it's not even a conversation/debate in 2024 on. Like J.C. said, his Lakers career alone is better then the majority of the NBA's entire Careers (only continuing to rise) and borderline HOF worthy. You don't have to like it but it's still a fact.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:09 am    Post subject:

I think LeBron will get his jersey retired as a Laker, and perhaps even deserves it. But barring another championship during a "normal" (non-bubble) season or multiple Finals runs, it'll certainly feel like one of the more hollow Laker jersey retirements.

I find it disingenuous that people used Wilt's Laker stint as a comparison considering Wilt went to 4 Finals and 1 conference Finals in his 5 seasons with the Lakeshow.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:49 am    Post subject:

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I think LeBron will get his jersey retired as a Laker, and perhaps even deserves it. But barring another championship during a "normal" (non-bubble) season or multiple Finals runs, it'll certainly feel like one of the more hollow Laker jersey retirements.

I find it disingenuous that people used Wilt's Laker stint as a comparison considering Wilt went to 4 Finals and 1 conference Finals in his 5 seasons with the Lakeshow.


Even still I can imagine for those who were Laker fans during Wilt's time, it would have felt hallow as well. Losing in 1969 to Boston in LA for Game 7 when LA was clearly the better team that year and losing AT HOME in a Game 7 to the inferior team!!!! Losing 1970 when NYK were the better team but losing a Game 3 at home despite West's hail mary that could have ended the series in 6. 1971 - they were just beat by a better team in the Bucks - no shame there. 1972 of course is the magical year. 1973 - Lakers were again the favorites vs NYK and again failed to deliver. Just so many missed opportunities such as 1969, 1970 and 1973. 1969 especially is unforgiveable. I guess its worse to have never made it at all than an inability to close but the inability to close when you are that close I imagine hurts a lot more for the players and fans
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:28 am    Post subject:

²³𝙻𝚎𝙱𝚛𝚘𝚗𝚌𝚑𝚒𝚝𝚒𝚜🏀☄️🌎💞 wrote:
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Shaquille has his jersey retired by three different teams. Lebron’s Laker jersey retirement will be on NBA TV.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 7:56 am    Post subject:

miggz23 wrote:
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miggz23 wrote:


At the end of the day none of your narratives matters and noone cares about it. They will look at overall stats, accomplishment, achievements and records at the end. Just like WILT... 1 TITLE, 1 FINALS MVP, multiple records broken as a Laker will be enough to get Lebron's jersey up there.

Rondo and Mitch were ROLE PLAYERS!!! Mitch played like 1 season for the Lakers and averaged like 4.1ppg.

At the end Lebron and most likely AD's jerseys will be retired. That's already a given. No narratives or deflections needed.


Nooo you cant push "role player" as your defense,....BOTH are future hall of famers and won a chip with the LAKERS..soooo? what are you talking about?

Somebody said at some time every jersey will be retired...but the REASON that it shouldnt happen is because to retire a jersey means you contributed greatly to the franchise and seen by the org as the best of the best. Few players should get that honor. Its like a purple heart..people get them but they put their life on the line for their country sometimes resulting in being buried...One of the highest honors..and thats what a retirement of your jersey is suppose to mean. Those players in those rafters gave everything and their body for this organization..they did something truely great...THIS IS WHY I SAID KANG's JERSEY SHOULD RETIRE IN CLEV OR MIA....If Clev dont win a chip this year JAMES Jersy should retire in CLEV as he done something no other player has done for that org and thats bring them a chip.

Same as Kawai / George/ Harden..if they win a chip for the clippers..they deserve to get their jersey retired in the clippers rafters. Kawhai also deserves his Jersey retired in TOR--If TOR had multiple chips and kawha won as a clipper a chip..then he shouldnt get a retire in TOR BUT FOR THE CLIPPERS..let me repeat why...HE GAVE THE CLIPPERS SOMETHING THEY NEVER HAD BEFORE WHILE TOR HE PLAYED 1 YEAR BUT THEY ALREADY HAD MULTIPLE CHIPS(FICTIONAL). LA KANG has done nothing great for this franchise that hasnt been done or recognized as truely great...... Want another example to beat this like a dead horse?

Klay comes over here the lakers and wins a chip..He SHOULDNT get a retired jersey HERE..He should get his jersey retired in GS becasue he gave them a dynasty...he contributed more there and gave them something they never really had.


Dude you can't be this naive... Were Rondo and Mitch the main reason why the Lakers won the title? Rondo/Mitch HOF careers but were not HOF'er caliber of players during their Lakers years. It will be the same if Klay comes here and won a title as a role player. That's the end of that argument specially if you can't tell the difference between those guys and Lebron.

What you think of Lebron's greatness does not matter at the end, specially when your judgement is already clouded by your hatred towards him. He will get his jersey retired based on Wilts and Goodrich standards alone.

We can agree to disagree all day... I'm moving on from this.


Without Rhondo you dont get a title THATS FACTS...When they called him Playoff Rhondo..thats who SHOWED UP and thats how you got that ONE title. You also werent beating Denver without DH..and thats a fact..tooo bad it wasnt ya KANG that solved the Denver problem...matta fact he hasnt solved that problem ever since DH left as we have got beat 7 times every time we meet Denver and thats FACTS. Why ya KANG didnt solve the problem?..for the person that should be in tha rafters he seems very "average" when it comes to Denver..why is that? Let guess your response so you cant use it "Wa wa look at his point avg in those games!" My response is "So?"...REAL HOF and ALL-STARS carry the team not the other way around. If you got to get 40-80pt a game then thats what the ALL STAR OR HOF does. This has been shown plenty of times from Kobe or Shaq and even Wilt you know the people in those rafters...The player also plays each position if that leads to winning see Magic or body part injured..not HURT but injured see Kobe games to learn about that. Those are the guys you want to hang his Load Mangament constantly whining for help Jersey next to?....smh.

Now move along if you want to....
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:10 am    Post subject:

LeBron James (excused absence) was not at practice today and will meet the Lakers in San Francisco.

https://x.com/jovanbuha/status/1760381232062542247?s=46&t=6-sxM4NpvzeWdNMn3aVCqg

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:19 pm    Post subject:

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Without Rhondo you dont get a title THATS FACTS...


Or without Byron Scott, or Derek Fisher, or Robert Horry, or Glen Rice, or A.C. Green, or Kurt Rambis, or Lamar Odom, etc.

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When they called him Playoff Rhondo..thats who SHOWED UP and thats how you got that ONE title.


Really, that's how they got it?

Playoff numbers that year:

AD: 27.7 points (57.1% fg, 38.3% 3p), 9.7 rebounds, 3.5 asssists, 1.2 steals, 1.4 blocks
Lebron: 27.6 points (56% fg, 37% 3p), 10.8 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.9 blocks
KCP: 10.7 points (41.8% fg, 37.8% 3p), 2.1 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1 steal, 0.2 blocks
Kuz: 10 points (43% fg, 31.3% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks
Rondo: 8.9 points (45.5% fg, 40% 3p), 4.3 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.4 steals, 0.1 blocks
Green: 8 points (34.7% fg, 33.9% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1 steal, 0.8 blocks
Caruso: 6.5 points (42.5% fg, 27.9% 3p), 3 rebounds, 2.87 assist, 1.1 steals, 0.6 blocks
Markieff: 5.9 points (44.9% fg, 42% 3p), 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0.3 steals, 0.1 blocks
Dwight: 5.8 points (68.4% fg), 4.6 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.4 blocks
Javele: 2.9 points (62.5% fg), 3.1 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.1 steals, 0.7 blocks

Of course it's a team game. You need contributions from role players. Does Kobe win against the Celtics without the monstrous fourth quarters of Pau or MWP? Without the important contributions of Odom and Bynum at times, and timely shot making by Fisher? Of course not.

How many rings would the Shaq/Kobe Lakers teams have if you didn't have Horry, Fisher, or Fox? Showtime Lakers without Green, Thompson, or Wilkes, Nixon, or Scott?

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Why ya KANG didnt solve the problem?..


Why didn't Kobe guard Tim Duncan and preserve the 4peat? Come on man. You are being ridiculous at this point.

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If you got to get 40-80pt a game then thats what the ALL STAR OR HOF does.


In 6 years in L.A., in the twilight of his career Lebron has scored 40+ 14 times, and 50+ 3 times in the regular season. He also had two 40 point games in the playoffs. Not to mention 5 triple doubles in one post season, en route to the title. Kobe has 0 playoff triple doubles and 13 40 point games in the playoffs. Lebron has 29 (10.3% of his total games) of them, though only 2 with the Lakers.

If you are comparing old Lebron (Lakers only) to prime Kobe, then Lebron has scored 40+ in 4.6% of his playoff appearances as a Laker, and Kobe scored 40+ in 5.9% of his playoff appearances. Both guys led the league in scoring in the playoffs 3 times.

Just going by the title run these are some of Lebron's games:

40 points (15-21), 13 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals,
38 points (15-25), 16 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal
38 points (11-18), 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals
36 points (14-19), 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal, 1 block
30 points (14-23), 10 rebounds, 11 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
28 points (13-20), 14 rebounds, 10 assist, 1 steal
23 (9-20) points, 17 rebounds, 16 assists, 1 steal

It's not all about scoring. Lebron's strength has always been his all around game. He led the league in assists that season.

That having been said just their playoff numbers as Lakers:

Shaq: 27.7, 13.4, 3
Old Lebron: 25.9, 9.9, 7.8
Kobe: 25.6, 5.1, 4.7
AD: 24.5, 11, 3
Kareem: 22.6, 8.5, 3
Worthy: 21.1, 5.2, 3.2
Magic: 19.5, 12.3, 7.7
Nixon: 17.7, 8, 3.4
Pau: 16.8, 10.1, 3.5
Wilkes: 16.5, 5.7, 2.4

It's one thing to not rank Lebron as high as some Lakers for life, or not like the guy for one reason or another. Stats don't tell the full story, etc. But you are being ridiculous. Lakers Lebron is not prime Lebron, obviously. But he's still been a top tier player.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 1:42 pm    Post subject:

I'm curious. If you owned an oceanside home in PV or San Clemente right now.

Are you going to wait until nature sweeps all the value away?

Or are you going to sell it while it still has good value.

Because we are talking about a soon to be 40 year old man here and some of you talk about him like he's going to play forever.

I know what Jeanie's going to do. She's going to wait until the ocean swallows up her investment, and then build a statue on the beach.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:21 pm    Post subject:

BILBJH wrote:
I'm curious. If you owned an oceanside home in PV or San Clemente right now.

Are you going to wait until nature sweeps all the value away?

Or are you going to sell it while it still has good value.

Because we are talking about a soon to be 40 year old man here and some of you talk about him like he's going to play forever.

I know what Jeanie's going to do. She's going to wait until the ocean swallows up her investment, and then build a statue on the beach.


I'd take a 41/42 year old Bron over bi all day
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:37 pm    Post subject:

BILBJH wrote:
I'm curious. If you owned an oceanside home in PV or San Clemente right now.

Are you going to wait until nature sweeps all the value away?

Or are you going to sell it while it still has good value.

Because we are talking about a soon to be 40 year old man here and some of you talk about him like he's going to play forever.

I know what Jeanie's going to do. She's going to wait until the ocean swallows up her investment, and then build a statue on the beach, then blame everything on Jim Buss


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 2:46 pm    Post subject:

SGV-Laker fan wrote:
BILBJH wrote:
I'm curious. If you owned an oceanside home in PV or San Clemente right now.

Are you going to wait until nature sweeps all the value away?

Or are you going to sell it while it still has good value.

Because we are talking about a soon to be 40 year old man here and some of you talk about him like he's going to play forever.

I know what Jeanie's going to do. She's going to wait until the ocean swallows up her investment, and then build a statue on the beach, then blame everything on lebron James & klutch


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Without Rhondo you dont get a title THATS FACTS...


Or without Byron Scott, or Derek Fisher, or Robert Horry, or Glen Rice, or A.C. Green, or Kurt Rambis, or Lamar Odom, etc.

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When they called him Playoff Rhondo..thats who SHOWED UP and thats how you got that ONE title.


Really, that's how they got it?

Playoff numbers that year:

AD: 27.7 points (57.1% fg, 38.3% 3p), 9.7 rebounds, 3.5 asssists, 1.2 steals, 1.4 blocks
Lebron: 27.6 points (56% fg, 37% 3p), 10.8 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.9 blocks
KCP: 10.7 points (41.8% fg, 37.8% 3p), 2.1 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1 steal, 0.2 blocks
Kuz: 10 points (43% fg, 31.3% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks
Rondo: 8.9 points (45.5% fg, 40% 3p), 4.3 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.4 steals, 0.1 blocks
Green: 8 points (34.7% fg, 33.9% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1 steal, 0.8 blocks
Caruso: 6.5 points (42.5% fg, 27.9% 3p), 3 rebounds, 2.87 assist, 1.1 steals, 0.6 blocks
Markieff: 5.9 points (44.9% fg, 42% 3p), 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0.3 steals, 0.1 blocks
Dwight: 5.8 points (68.4% fg), 4.6 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.4 blocks
Javele: 2.9 points (62.5% fg), 3.1 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.1 steals, 0.7 blocks

Of course it's a team game. You need contributions from role players. Does Kobe win against the Celtics without the monstrous fourth quarters of Pau or MWP? Without the important contributions of Odom and Bynum at times, and timely shot making by Fisher? Of course not.

How many rings would the Shaq/Kobe Lakers teams have if you didn't have Horry, Fisher, or Fox? Showtime Lakers without Green, Thompson, or Wilkes, Nixon, or Scott?

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Why ya KANG didnt solve the problem?..


Why didn't Kobe guard Tim Duncan and preserve the 4peat? Come on man. You are being ridiculous at this point.

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If you got to get 40-80pt a game then thats what the ALL STAR OR HOF does.


In 6 years in L.A., in the twilight of his career Lebron has scored 40+ 14 times, and 50+ 3 times in the regular season. He also had two 40 point games in the playoffs. Not to mention 5 triple doubles in one post season, en route to the title. Kobe has 0 playoff triple doubles and 13 40 point games in the playoffs. Lebron has 29 (10.3% of his total games) of them, though only 2 with the Lakers.

If you are comparing old Lebron (Lakers only) to prime Kobe, then Lebron has scored 40+ in 4.6% of his playoff appearances as a Laker, and Kobe scored 40+ in 5.9% of his playoff appearances. Both guys led the league in scoring in the playoffs 3 times.

Just going by the title run these are some of Lebron's games:

40 points (15-21), 13 rebounds, 7 assists, 3 steals,
38 points (15-25), 16 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal
38 points (11-18), 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 steals
36 points (14-19), 10 rebounds, 10 assists, 1 steal, 1 block
30 points (14-23), 10 rebounds, 11 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks
28 points (13-20), 14 rebounds, 10 assist, 1 steal
23 (9-20) points, 17 rebounds, 16 assists, 1 steal

It's not all about scoring. Lebron's strength has always been his all around game. He led the league in assists that season.

That having been said just their playoff numbers as Lakers:

Shaq: 27.7, 13.4, 3
Old Lebron: 25.9, 9.9, 7.8
Kobe: 25.6, 5.1, 4.7
AD: 24.5, 11, 3
Kareem: 22.6, 8.5, 3
Worthy: 21.1, 5.2, 3.2
Magic: 19.5, 12.3, 7.7
Nixon: 17.7, 8, 3.4
Pau: 16.8, 10.1, 3.5
Wilkes: 16.5, 5.7, 2.4

It's one thing to not rank Lebron as high as some Lakers for life, or not like the guy for one reason or another. Stats don't tell the full story, etc. But you are being ridiculous. Lakers Lebron is not prime Lebron, obviously. But he's still been a top tier player.



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Or without Byron Scott, or Derek Fisher, or Robert Horry, or Glen Rice, or A.C. Green, or Kurt Rambis, or Lamar Odom, etc.

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When they called him Playoff Rhondo..thats who SHOWED UP and thats how you got that ONE title.


Really, that's how they got it?

Playoff numbers that year:

AD: 27.7 points (57.1% fg, 38.3% 3p), 9.7 rebounds, 3.5 asssists, 1.2 steals, 1.4 blocks
Lebron: 27.6 points (56% fg, 37% 3p), 10.8 rebounds, 8.8 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.9 blocks
KCP: 10.7 points (41.8% fg, 37.8% 3p), 2.1 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1 steal, 0.2 blocks
Kuz: 10 points (43% fg, 31.3% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 0.8 assists, 0.3 steals, 0.3 blocks
Rondo: 8.9 points (45.5% fg, 40% 3p), 4.3 rebounds, 6.6 assists, 1.4 steals, 0.1 blocks
Green: 8 points (34.7% fg, 33.9% 3p), 3.1 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1 steal, 0.8 blocks
Caruso: 6.5 points (42.5% fg, 27.9% 3p), 3 rebounds, 2.87 assist, 1.1 steals, 0.6 blocks
Markieff: 5.9 points (44.9% fg, 42% 3p), 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 0.3 steals, 0.1 blocks
Dwight: 5.8 points (68.4% fg), 4.6 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.4 steals, 0.4 blocks
Javele: 2.9 points (62.5% fg), 3.1 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 0.1 steals, 0.7 blocks

Of course it's a team game. You need contributions from role players. Does Kobe win against the Celtics without the monstrous fourth quarters of Pau or MWP? Without the important contributions of Odom and Bynum at times, and timely shot making by Fisher? Of course not.

How many rings would the Shaq/Kobe Lakers teams have if you didn't have Horry, Fisher, or Fox? Showtime Lakers without Green, Thompson, or Wilkes, Nixon, or Scott?


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But the jest of all that was the previous poster called Rhondo a ROLE player as if his service meant nothing in comparison to HIS KANG. Which you actually reinforced my arguement better than i could have done..meaning without Rhondo you not getting that ONE chip. Thank You!

Rhondo numbers might not show but the plays and scoring from (Rhondo Defense + playmaking + SHOOTING 3s) = "NBA JAM" Playoff Rhondo he imacted the game and without him there is no chip..but your previous statement is more than enough

You want to know how Rhondo name even came up? if you look back the poster was saying to be retired in the rafters one had to be a Hall of Famer and contiribute to a ring so LBJ should get his jersey retired here..That was HIS DEFENSE..so I rebutt back with what about Rhondo?..He will be a future HOF as LBJ and he help win us a title..sooo should he also go up in the rafters? or our we doing popularity contests these days to retire a person's number?


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If you are comparing old Lebron (Lakers only) to prime Kobe, then Lebron has scored 40+ in 4.6% of his playoff appearances as a Laker, and Kobe scored 40+ in 5.9% of his playoff appearances. Both guys led the league in scoring in the playoffs 3 times..

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Thanks for that but here is the problem its each's mentality toward the game in the playoffs...while hurt or in the best of health Kobe game was most constant..If he got to go on one good leg and do that left post up mid shot to get points he was going to do it. If he got to do that top of the key take you off the dribble and do that fade way pull up jumper he would do that too. If he saw a player get hot..then on the one leg he going to call his own number to guard the player

...hurt and injured LA KANG? What LA KANG started doing in last years playoffs which upset many? He jacking up threes like he think he curry and he was doing it even before the play-ins trying to continue chasing a point record. People will also forget last year's playoffs against denver where that cost us game three but I wont. Ohh the media had to tell us he coudlnt drive as he was umm "hurt" as his leg was bothering him. However we got no news over the summer of his surgery or treatment and noone in the media said nothing about it and still dont.

but to be fair has Kobe did that record chase before? Yep. He did that with the constant none miss free throw shooting record..To which Shaq was asked about it but in so many mixed words shaq was like i cant wait till this is over. However his play was still in regular play with the take the man off the dribble and pull up or do that hesitation and step into his man and thus swing his arms out and say "Heyy!" or "Whooa" and the ref blow that whistle for him to go to the line. However when playoffs came around..point chase and stat pad took about to wining the chip. And if that means go inside or pull up for a middy after 82 games of non load management..he did it.

Shaq was the same ..if your 3 not falling he was known for demanding the ball and really didnt care who was in front of him or doubling him..that dunk or that baby hook was going to be shot. There were plenty of times Shaq was hurt and banged up or refs eating their whistles on obvious fouls but shaq never changed his game due to being hurt or injured in the playoffs. You didnt see him throwing out mid-range jump shots and never a 3 pointer. He did what he always done..Le KANG? Instead of going to the hole last year he would be happy shooting the three. It looks good when it goes in but poor crap when it obvious he doesnt have it going and should stick to his game and just drive in to score. KANG dont wont to do thaaat. He got to look cute and get those stats. Mini anyone? Chasing Kareem record while Davis looking crazy on the bench knowing they lost the game.


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It's one thing to not rank Lebron as high as some Lakers for life, or not like the guy for one reason or another. Stats don't tell the full story, etc. But you are being ridiculous. Lakers Lebron is not prime Lebron, obviously. But he's still been a top tier player.

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I said he should NOT get his jersey retired here...It SHOULD GET RETIRED IN CLEV or MIA. I repeat: "HE...DONE...MORE...FOR...THEMMM." In cleveland he brought them a ring which they never got. In mia he brought them rings and created the first..(throw up) "Super Team".
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Why would you miss the game before the all star game and plan to miss the game after the all star game but then play in the all star game? He better play against GS. Every game counts especially against western conference teams
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LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team
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Like clockwork with LeASB.

Remember that one year where he did actually twist his ankle and still made sure not to miss the festivities. LeNBA loves his LePlaybook.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:23 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


Kawhi also played in the ASG despite missing a game before ASB and not having a b2b schedule before.

They both played under 14 minutes in more of a practice type game.

It's more crazy that the league scheduled the lakers to have 3 b2b games in a row. 2 before the ASB and 1 right after. It was already a given that Lebron will be sitting some of those b2b games specially if he has some type of lingering injury.
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Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.
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1995Lakers wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.


Only logical answer is that GS game is on the road, and Spurs game is at home. So he rather play infront of the home crowd.
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1995Lakers wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.


A LG poster I talked with .. said he likes preparing himself for the L.A. games for whatever freaking reason so that’s why he isn’t playing against GS. but I know from the looks of it that he can actually end up sitting both games which makes it all more devastating
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miggz23 wrote:
1995Lakers wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.


Only logical answer is that GS game is on the road, and Spurs game is at home. So he rather play infront of the home crowd.


You know I haven't been banging on LeBron too hard about this because there's a lot of factors in my opinion but that answer doesn't make any sense. Because the Golden State Warriors game is important for us in terms of standing and the Spurs game is not. And even when you said this the first time I was thinking of myself the flight to San Francisco is less than an hour but OK maybe he doesn't want to travel... but HE IS traveling, he's going to meet the team in San Francisco so…

The last shred of logic that I can cling to is whatever this procedure he had done you know mystery injection or whatever he has to let the swelling go down and let the soreness go down before he can play. Any answer other than that does not work for my brain structure.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 5:47 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
1995Lakers wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.


A LG poster I talked with .. said he likes preparing himself for the L.A. games for whatever freaking reason so that’s why he isn’t playing against GS. but I know from the looks of it that he can actually end up sitting both games which makes it all more devastating


somehow gotta make up 16.12 posts per day
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TDRock wrote:
miggz23 wrote:
1995Lakers wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.


Only logical answer is that GS game is on the road, and Spurs game is at home. So he rather play infront of the home crowd.


You know I haven't been banging on LeBron too hard about this because there's a lot of factors in my opinion but that answer doesn't make any sense. Because the Golden State Warriors game is important for us in terms of standing and the Spurs game is not. And even when you said this the first time I was thinking of myself the flight to San Francisco is less than an hour but OK maybe he doesn't want to travel... but HE IS traveling, he's going to meet the team in San Francisco so…

The last shred of logic that I can cling to is whatever this procedure he had done you know mystery injection or whatever he has to let the swelling go down and let the soreness go down before he can play. Any answer other than that does not work for my brain structure.


If he plays against the Spurs and we end up dropping the game tomorrow LeBron should be crucified in the worst way and I know from the looks of it you are very frustrated with this decision
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Bron2AD wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
1995Lakers wrote:
Inspector Gadget wrote:
LeBron’s decision to sit out against the Warriors makes it even a worse decision to play him in the AS game, I know all these decisions are made by multiple people but this is really ridiculous that LeBron can play in a game that is solely based on entertainment purposes then trying to save himself to help this team


The question isnt the all star game. The real question is why isnt he playing vs GSW so he can rest vs SAS.


A LG poster I talked with .. said he likes preparing himself for the L.A. games for whatever freaking reason so that’s why he isn’t playing against GS. but I know from the looks of it that he can actually end up sitting both games which makes it all more devastating


somehow gotta make up 16.12 posts per day


Hey bro, go grab some coffee and let’s hope this team is ready to go on a run
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