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ribeye
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| Batguano wrote: | | ribeye wrote: | With your first post, after reading your exact words, I didn't realize I needed to be a mind reader to know what you really meant. So I acknowledged you didn't really mean what you said. From that, you said I'm being obtuse, which seems like you don't know what the word means. You felt a need to counter my statement, especially when I used several qualifiers, that was not meant to be some ultimate statement, that was clearly not meant to be an argument that I had to win, and maybe if you were more clear and used a qualifier yourself, that would be that. But, instead, you had to to be blunt and careless, as though, since you feel you you have the better argument, that was all that was needed, and then with the lame ass criticism.
You then go on to say I'm being disingenuous when comparing Kobe to LeBron. Please learn to read and comprehend . As one of my qualifiers, I said "also recognizing that when they played as a Laker is relevant." Also, note that I did not single Horry out; he was one of many with many rings, and you singled him out.
So, after all this, perhaps you can explain exactly what you meant. Since YOU brought it up, what is your definition of greatness and how do rings specifically relate? Since we now know it is not rings alone, is it HOF'ers and rings, is it some arbitrary selection and rings, or what? By just about any definition that has "and rings" will have to put Bill Russell as the greatest ever. I do think this is an argument, but I don't thing this is the best argument. |
Jesus you're so incredibly condescending and insufferable. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you since it's clear you were craving attention from your initial post and I was silly enough to give you exactly what you wanted. Grown man policing other grown men's personal ranking of entertainment sports.
But to answer your question my criteria for greatness takes EVERYTHING into consideration: stats, skills, championships, accolades, intangibles, longevity, eras, defensive rules, memorable moments/performances, cultural relevance/impact, the opinion of other players and coaches, degree of difficulty but MOST IMPORTANTLY...CONTEXT. Which is what your original post (and most of your arguments) are severely lacking. |
See how easy that was. If you had said this originally, we would have been done.
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Snipes
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | I don't really get the fake outrage over not allowing an injury replacement to compete in a game that people are complaining about anyway as being the most noncompetitive event in pro sports. The idea of injury replacements is stupid anyway, and dilutes the honor/importance of being named an All-Star to begin with. |
Yeah honestly. People are feeling bad for Norm who is having an incredible year. The man makes $20 million a year and barring injury is probably going to get another solid deal in a year. He will be ok.
Also it’s the player’s fault for making this event a joke. Who gives a (bleep) even if it’s an honor for a guy like Norm to be a first time all-star. It’s becoming more and more meaningless. I’m sure Norm is fine about it.
I don’t know if this was a LeHim move for his resumé or if Silver asked him to do this. We will never know. Either way he’s going to catch flack for it. Don’t feel bad for him either. 20 years of being the face of the league comes with its challenges and he’s made more than his share of super selfish decisions in the past. Who cares. I’m just glad he didn’t play, I’ve been begging him not to ever since he became a Laker.
As for the ANT thing, yeah that’s the double standard. He’s a huge douche for doing the same thing. But who cares. Sad that this is the biggest thing to come out of the weekend. The NBA all star game is and has been in absolute shambles. We are approaching pro-bowl territory. |
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jodeke
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| TMG wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | The knock on Bron not playing in the All Star Game is not that he didn't play but the way he went about it. He waited until the 11th hour and there was no time for a replacement. He deprived a player like Norman Powell who's playing great ball the chance to compete. He showed up in street clothes for a photo-op.
Fans react to how LeBron handled not playing in the All Star Game
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Thats funny. So why weren't there any criticism towards Antman? He was worse. Peple didn't even know he was out until they played and he wasn't out there. |
Ant Man is no LBJ. LeBron is the face of the league. Everything he does is amplified. That's the reason Edwards said he didn't want to be the face of the league. He doesn't want the responsibility, or notoriety it entails. If Nikola Jokić had done what Bron did he wouldn't get the flack. No one's saying if he's injured he shouldn't play. The complaint is he should have let the league know in time for them to name a player in his place.
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lakersboy
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| Snipes wrote: | | The NBA all star game is and has been in absolute shambles. We are approaching pro-bowl territory. |
I don't have official words, but the pro bowl risked serious injuries as guys have gotten collectively bigger than they were 30 or more years ago. Risking missed seasons didn't justify the risk of playing.
The NBA all star game is dying because of everyone involved:
The money grabbing NBA mandating players to be available for interviews and appearances,
Teams paying ridiculous salaries,
Media hyping every fantastic ESPN moment that will be featured with the jingle that night,
Players who want to be seen for their special ESPN moment,
Selfish guys worried more about 1 upping the last logo/half court shot, than helping their team get it's best opportunity to score,
Players interacting as friends, not competitors, and getting out of the way when guys drive to the basketball instead of trying to stop the m (as if the guy with the ball will be injured).
The list goes on. I don't watch Pro Bowl events, and I'm not interested in watching the NBA all star weekend anymore.
Imagine if MLB pitchers started throwing lollipops so every guy could hit home runs. It would be disgusting, and the event would die, and rightfully so. |
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MookieBetts50
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Per Shams, LBJ could miss actual games dealing with this injury? |
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levon
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| MookieBetts50 wrote: | | Per Shams, LBJ could miss actual games dealing with this injury? |
They're thinking LA can beat those lesser teams, but Portland is actually pretty challenging, especially in their arena. It's a back-to-back so makes sense to have him sit at least one.
We need all of our forwards and Gabe to play, and for Austin not to miss ten 3s. |
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dont_be_a_wuss
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2025 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Rest up for Saturday and Tuesday (Nuggets, Mavs). |
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Lakersfan1211
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
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Snipes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
I hope that’s what he’s thinking this summer. Anywhere but here so we can start building around our future superstar. |
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TMG
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I think he'll retire here. When Luka gets in shape he'll be the man offensive hub.
Luka isn't in shape so the onus is on him to actually put forth the effort to get in shape asap. |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2025 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
Lebron will have the decision power in the offseason... If this team ends up bottoming out in the last few months. I can see Lebron making that move as it gives him a reason to leave.
Rob will either have to oblige on where he would go... Or Lebron can just simply leave and leave the Lakers hang and dry with nothing in return. Petty Lebron would not care about the money imo. |
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Batguano
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
Lebron will have the decision power in the offseason... If this team ends up bottoming out in the last few months. I can see Lebron making that move as it gives him a reason to leave.
Rob will either have to oblige on where he would go... Or Lebron can just simply leave and leave the Lakers hang and dry with nothing in return. Petty Lebron would not care about the money imo. |
And if this happens, will you be following him out the door?  |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Batguano wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
Lebron will have the decision power in the offseason... If this team ends up bottoming out in the last few months. I can see Lebron making that move as it gives him a reason to leave.
Rob will either have to oblige on where he would go... Or Lebron can just simply leave and leave the Lakers hang and dry with nothing in return. Petty Lebron would not care about the money imo. |
And if this happens, will you be following him out the door? |
Why do you care so much? Why because I support him unlike the anti-Lebron crowds in here. You can be a fan of other NBA players and still remain a Lakers fan. I didn’t know there’s a rule here.
I was also Jordan and huge Shaq fan… Probably one of the few who was torn about sending AD/Max for Luka. But I understand the move. |
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BILBJH
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
Lebron will have the decision power in the offseason... If this team ends up bottoming out in the last few months. I can see Lebron making that move as it gives him a reason to leave.
Rob will either have to oblige on where he would go... Or Lebron can just simply leave and leave the Lakers hang and dry with nothing in return. Petty Lebron would not care about the money imo. |
And if this happens, will you be following him out the door? |
Why do you care so much? Why because I support him unlike the anti-Lebron crowds in here. You can be a fan of other NBA players and still remain a Lakers fan. I didn’t know there’s a rule here.
I was also Jordan and huge Shaq fan… Probably one of the few who was torn about sending AD/Max for Luka. But I understand the move. |
You joined when LBJ started playing for the Lakers and your handle is 23
There's nothing wrong if you root for a player first. As a fan you are free to choose how or whom you root for.
But obviously a player first fan will have different priorities than a team first fan.
Sometimes they will align, and sometimes they won't.
Doesn't make the player fan evil or impure and it doesn't make the team fan better.
We just want different things.
A Bron stan probably doesn't care if we extend a 42 year old player for two more years.
A Lakers first stan probably prefers a different route. |
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Batguano
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Batguano wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
Lebron will have the decision power in the offseason... If this team ends up bottoming out in the last few months. I can see Lebron making that move as it gives him a reason to leave.
Rob will either have to oblige on where he would go... Or Lebron can just simply leave and leave the Lakers hang and dry with nothing in return. Petty Lebron would not care about the money imo. |
And if this happens, will you be following him out the door? |
Why do you care so much? Why because I support him unlike the anti-Lebron crowds in here. You can be a fan of other NBA players and still remain a Lakers fan. I didn’t know there’s a rule here.
I was also Jordan and huge Shaq fan… Probably one of the few who was torn about sending AD/Max for Luka. But I understand the move. |
This explains so much.  |
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PenG_
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| "I'm gonna hop in the LeBron thread after a bad loss and gatekeep the fanbase. Even though I'm just a bitter Kobe stan, I'll masquerade as a concerned Lakers fan who just wants what's best for the team. I'll leave laughing emojis after my posts to signal to these interlopers that my opinion of them is so unimpeachable that they should be mocked. This is healthy." |
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Batguano
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| PenG_ wrote: | | "I'm gonna hop in the LeBron thread after a bad loss and gatekeep the fanbase. Even though I'm just a bitter Kobe stan, I'll masquerade as a concerned Lakers fan who just wants what's best for the team. I'll leave laughing emojis after my posts to signal to these interlopers that my opinion of them is so unimpeachable that they should be mocked. This is healthy." |
Sounds like a lot of projection in this post. [INSERT laughing emoji HERE] |
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vasashi17+
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Appreciate ya Bron Bron. Denied access to your fans at allstar so that you can rest that foot & show up in a b2b for your team’s fans. Respect!
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leking006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Lebron passed MJ on 40 points @ 40 years old with 2 games |
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LakerJedi
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | Lakersfan1211 wrote: | | If Bron was smart, he should do w/e it takes to go to Dallas to team up with Kyrie and AD. That Big 3 dream we could've had in 2022-2023.. |
Lebron will have the decision power in the offseason... If this team ends up bottoming out in the last few months. I can see Lebron making that move as it gives him a reason to leave.
Rob will either have to oblige on where he would go... Or Lebron can just simply leave and leave the Lakers hang and dry with nothing in return. Petty Lebron would not care about the money imo. |
i aM a hAteR tRolL. iGnorE mE. |
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parsons777
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| 11 TOs tonight ouch |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Cut it out!
LBJ will eventually retire from the NBA as a LAKER! |
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miggz23
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| parsons777 wrote: | | 11 TOs tonight ouch |
Yea that was rough, but at least he was able to make it up with his scoring tonight. |
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Lakers#1Team
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| pio2u wrote: | Cut it out!
LBJ will eventually retire from the NBA as a LAKER! |
Yes, and put his double size statue right in front of the entrance.  |
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pio2u
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | parsons777 wrote: | | 11 TOs tonight ouch |
Yea that was rough, but at least he was able to make it up with his scoring tonight. |
40 pts, 58% FG, 50% 3FG, 100% FT |
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