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Zillethai
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | hype wrote: |
How about on a Lakers board we don't assume Bron with no actual legitimate proof actually did any of this. I understand other team's message boards ignorantly calling him out but it's really weird so many try to bring it up here, especially an article from a Year and a half ago which says he's innocent from the thorough investigation they ran..... |
100%. It's crazy that Lakers fans are the ones bringing up this (bleep). People are so weird about Lebron, and because there's enough of a crackhead community online that will indulge and encourage the nonsense, it gets thrown around in the echo chamber and regurgitated as "facts" worth talking about. Get a life, it's really not that serious. |
Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately.
Example: A Laker doesnt have his mural defaced his home fans. |
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ribeye
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| Zillethai wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | hype wrote: |
How about on a Lakers board we don't assume Bron with no actual legitimate proof actually did any of this. I understand other team's message boards ignorantly calling him out but it's really weird so many try to bring it up here, especially an article from a Year and a half ago which says he's innocent from the thorough investigation they ran..... |
100%. It's crazy that Lakers fans are the ones bringing up this (bleep). People are so weird about Lebron, and because there's enough of a crackhead community online that will indulge and encourage the nonsense, it gets thrown around in the echo chamber and regurgitated as "facts" worth talking about. Get a life, it's really not that serious. |
Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately.
Example: A Laker doesnt have his mural defaced his home fans. |
You are certainly entitled to that opinion, but where it will matter will be up in the rafters, and it is here his jersey will reside.
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| ribeye wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | hype wrote: |
How about on a Lakers board we don't assume Bron with no actual legitimate proof actually did any of this. I understand other team's message boards ignorantly calling him out but it's really weird so many try to bring it up here, especially an article from a Year and a half ago which says he's innocent from the thorough investigation they ran..... |
100%. It's crazy that Lakers fans are the ones bringing up this (bleep). People are so weird about Lebron, and because there's enough of a crackhead community online that will indulge and encourage the nonsense, it gets thrown around in the echo chamber and regurgitated as "facts" worth talking about. Get a life, it's really not that serious. |
Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately.
Example: A Laker doesnt have his mural defaced his home fans. |
You are certainly entitled to that opinion, but where it will matter will be up in the rafters, and it is here his jersey will reside. |
That’s crazy, Bron ain’t Kobe or Magic but he’s up there with Kareem and Shaq as a Laker. I fully expect his statue to be built
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J.C. Smith
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| Zillethai wrote: | | Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately. |
No offense, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum... And I've been coming here for 20 years.
He's been a Laker for 7 years and counting. Just counting his Lakers career he has been:
Finals MVP
7 Time All-Star
6x All-NBA (going on 7 time)
8x Player of the Week
3x Player of the Month
1x Assist Leader
Finished 2nd in MVP voting
His Lakers Stats are:
10,886 points
3,296 assists
2,781 rebounds
Laker All-Time Top Tens
2nd All-time in Lakers Triple Doubles
2nd All-Time in Lakers Assists Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers Points Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers PER
6th All-Time in Lakers EFG
8th All-Time in Lakers Assists
9th All-Time in Lakers True Shooting Percentage
10th All-Time in Lakers Points
10th All-Time in Lakers Defensive Rebounds
He's had a Hall of Fame career just in his time as a Laker. And he's still going. Give the man his respect.
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TMG
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You cant lump everyone together because of a few bad eggs.
Lebron getting his mural defaced shouldn't be an indictment on an entire fanbase.
Not that im from LA but i have a hard time seeing majority in La thinking Lebron is an outsider.
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Sure maybe in the beginning but it's been 7 years. |
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TheBlackMamba
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately. |
No offense, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum... And I've been coming here for 20 years.
He's been a Laker for 7 years and counting. Just counting his Lakers career he has been:
Finals MVP
7 Time All-Star
6x All-NBA (going on 7 time)
8x Player of the Week
3x Player of the Month
1x Led league in assists
Finished 2nd in MVP voting
His Lakers Stats are:
10,886 points
3,296 assists
2,781 rebounds
Laker All-Time Top Tens
2nd All-time in Lakers Triple Doubles
2nd All-Time in Lakers Assists Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers Points Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers PER
6th All-Time in Lakers EFG
8th All-Time in Lakers Assists
9th All-Time in Lakers True Shooting Percentage
10th All-Time in Lakers Points
10th All-Time in Lakers Defensive Rebounds
He's had a Hall of Fame career just in his time as a Laker. And he's still going. Give the man his respect. |
Thank you for this 
And it is absolutely insane when viewing his Laker tenure in this context. Even crazier when you consider it's the age 34-40 part of his career, one which he started straight out of HS. If they can even make a conference finals (and I know we don't celebrate that (bleep), before some wise guy comes in to say that) this year, that's also three WCF appearances in 7 years...which isn't nothing, when comparing to some of the other "stars" of the current era. Again, that should heavily consider that this is a post-prime Lebron we're talking about, which doesn't get said nearly enough because apparently every second of his (and ONLY his) career needs to be dissected and graded as if he's peak Lebron the entire time. But we can conveniently ignore what MJ, Kobe, etc. were in their late 30s...
And by the way, he's been a Laker for longer than Pau was, while compiling the greater overall resume. So if you don't think Lebron is a Laker, then I guess Pau isn't either... |
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hype
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| TMG wrote: | You cant lump everyone together because of a few bad eggs.
Lebron getting his mural defaced shouldn't be an indictment on an entire fanbase.
Not that im from LA but i have a hard time seeing majority in La thinking Lebron is an outsider.
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Sure maybe in the beginning but it's been 7 years. |
Exactly, this was a fair argument that I felt as well a Year or two in since I didn't think he'd age anywhere remotely close to as well as he has.. He's absolutely a Laker legend at this point though (He'll never be Magic, Kobe, Kareem level since he came over so late but he's still way up there) and like J.C. said, he's put together a legitimate HOF career that is still ongoing just during his Lakers tenure. By next Season he's going to be a Laker for twice as long as he was with the Miami Heat.
There's a very good chance he'll get at least 1 more ring as well in the next Year or two if health can be on our side once the Playoffs begin. I'm someone who absolutely couldn't stand him earlier on in his Career but he's made a pretty concrete statement at this point as a Laker great.
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J.C. Smith
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That's how I see it. When he came here people felt it would be for a 4 year stint. But he's resigned multiple times now. Offered to take less money. By the end of this season he'll have been a Laker for longer than Pau Gasol was. As long as Lamar Odom, Vlade Divac, and Robert Horry were. Longer than Mychal Thompson, Norm Nixon, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Gail Goodrich, or Wilt Chamberlain were.
I get that some people spent a good part of his career hating on him. That he was Kobe's competition as the best player in the league. But at a certain point you have to let that go. |
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RestEasyBlackMamba
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| The only thing he’s lacking is an LA championship parade. |
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Zillethai
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately. |
No offense, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum... And I've been coming here for 20 years.
He's been a Laker for 7 years and counting. Just counting his Lakers career he has been:
Finals MVP
7 Time All-Star
6x All-NBA (going on 7 time)
8x Player of the Week
3x Player of the Month
1x Assist Leader
Finished 2nd in MVP voting
His Lakers Stats are:
10,886 points
3,296 assists
2,781 rebounds
Laker All-Time Top Tens
2nd All-time in Lakers Triple Doubles
2nd All-Time in Lakers Assists Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers Points Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers PER
6th All-Time in Lakers EFG
8th All-Time in Lakers Assists
9th All-Time in Lakers True Shooting Percentage
10th All-Time in Lakers Points
10th All-Time in Lakers Defensive Rebounds
He's had a Hall of Fame career just in his time as a Laker. And he's still going. Give the man his respect. |
Oh I give him his respect. But I also recognize he isnt fully embraced by Laker Nation. You're lying to yourself if you think he is.
He's been hated on since the moment he got here. Compare his reception, to Luka's. |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | <snip>
He's had a Hall of Fame career just in his time as a Laker. And he's still going. Give the man his respect. |
Oh I give him his respect. But I also recognize he isnt fully embraced by Laker Nation. You're lying to yourself if you think he is.
He's been hated on since the moment he got here. Compare his reception, to Luka's. |
Dude,
There are "Lakers fans" who (still) hate on Kareem, Magic, Wilt, etc.
A TON of "Lakers fans" are salty at either Kobe or Shaq about how that run ended.
That's the nature of a large, diverse fan base. There's always someone who hates a player. Even St. Jerry of West has his detractors among the faithful.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2025 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | hype wrote: |
How about on a Lakers board we don't assume Bron with no actual legitimate proof actually did any of this. I understand other team's message boards ignorantly calling him out but it's really weird so many try to bring it up here, especially an article from a Year and a half ago which says he's innocent from the thorough investigation they ran..... |
100%. It's crazy that Lakers fans are the ones bringing up this (bleep). People are so weird about Lebron, and because there's enough of a crackhead community online that will indulge and encourage the nonsense, it gets thrown around in the echo chamber and regurgitated as "facts" worth talking about. Get a life, it's really not that serious. |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately. |
No offense, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum... And I've been coming here for 20 years.
He's been a Laker for 7 years and counting. Just counting his Lakers career he has been:
Finals MVP
7 Time All-Star
6x All-NBA (going on 7 time)
8x Player of the Week
3x Player of the Month
1x Assist Leader
Finished 2nd in MVP voting
His Lakers Stats are:
10,886 points
3,296 assists
2,781 rebounds
Laker All-Time Top Tens
2nd All-time in Lakers Triple Doubles
2nd All-Time in Lakers Assists Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers Points Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers PER
6th All-Time in Lakers EFG
8th All-Time in Lakers Assists
9th All-Time in Lakers True Shooting Percentage
10th All-Time in Lakers Points
10th All-Time in Lakers Defensive Rebounds
He's had a Hall of Fame career just in his time as a Laker. And he's still going. Give the man his respect. |
Oh I give him his respect. But I also recognize he isnt fully embraced by Laker Nation. You're lying to yourself if you think he is.
He's been hated on since the moment he got here. Compare his reception, to Luka's. |
It's a given.. He is the most hated scrutinized athlete ever. Way before he came here and since before he got drafted.
But he is a Laker imo just by how long he has played here.
By your standard Luka is not a Laker at this moment either? |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | Zillethai wrote: | | Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately. |
No offense, but that is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum... And I've been coming here for 20 years.
He's been a Laker for 7 years and counting. Just counting his Lakers career he has been:
Finals MVP
7 Time All-Star
6x All-NBA (going on 7 time)
8x Player of the Week
3x Player of the Month
1x Assist Leader
Finished 2nd in MVP voting
His Lakers Stats are:
10,886 points
3,296 assists
2,781 rebounds
Laker All-Time Top Tens
2nd All-time in Lakers Triple Doubles
2nd All-Time in Lakers Assists Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers Points Per Game
4th All-Time in Lakers PER
6th All-Time in Lakers EFG
8th All-Time in Lakers Assists
9th All-Time in Lakers True Shooting Percentage
10th All-Time in Lakers Points
10th All-Time in Lakers Defensive Rebounds
He's had a Hall of Fame career just in his time as a Laker. And he's still going. Give the man his respect. |
Oh I give him his respect. But I also recognize he isnt fully embraced by Laker Nation. You're lying to yourself if you think he is.
He's been hated on since the moment he got here. Compare his reception, to Luka's. |
There are great players that played for the Lakers and there are Laker Greats. There is a difference and right now LBJ is a great player that plays/played for the Lakers. He can apply for an exception exemption if he wins another ship with the Lakers, plays long enough to have spent more time with the Lakers than Cleveland, and retires with the Lakers lol!
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| I kinda agree that LeBron isn't quite on the Lakers' pantheon but if he wins another ring he will be. I find it mind boggling he's probably gonna get his 6th All-NBA honors and that he's been here for 7 years. Longer tenure than Pau! |
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| Zillethai wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | hype wrote: |
How about on a Lakers board we don't assume Bron with no actual legitimate proof actually did any of this. I understand other team's message boards ignorantly calling him out but it's really weird so many try to bring it up here, especially an article from a Year and a half ago which says he's innocent from the thorough investigation they ran..... |
100%. It's crazy that Lakers fans are the ones bringing up this (bleep). People are so weird about Lebron, and because there's enough of a crackhead community online that will indulge and encourage the nonsense, it gets thrown around in the echo chamber and regurgitated as "facts" worth talking about. Get a life, it's really not that serious. |
Lebron isnt... and never has been a Laker. He has always been an outsider unfortunately.
Example: A Laker doesnt have his mural defaced his home fans. |
LeBron isn't a real Laker because some Kobe stans defaced his mural? LMAO |
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| I hope the rest he's getting from his injury ends up being the perfect timing for a deep and productive run this year; every season that passes gets us closer to his eventual retirement |
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| Quote: | | LeBron James completed another pre-game workout, which included some sprints and finishing at the basket. JJ Redick has said this week that LeBron is "day-to-day." |
https://x.com/MarkG_Medina/status/1902878900432277773 |
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | That's how I see it. When he came here people felt it would be for a 4 year stint. But he's resigned multiple times now. Offered to take less money. By the end of this season he'll have been a Laker for longer than Pau Gasol was. As long as Lamar Odom, Vlade Divac, and Robert Horry were. Longer than Mychal Thompson, Norm Nixon, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Gail Goodrich, or Wilt Chamberlain were.
I get that some people spent a good part of his career hating on him. That he was Kobe's competition as the best player in the league. But at a certain point you have to let that go. |
GOD. I can't believe that he was Kobe's competition during Kobe's prime, and he's still an All-NBA player today. I remember making arguments on ESPN.com about Kobe's unparalleled longevity as a superstar based on All-NBA accolades. Would never have thought that LeBron would still be an All-NBA player as I entered my thirties (I was born in '94). Crazy. |
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| Snipes wrote: | https://x.com/casualtakeking/status/1902910575132234025?s=46
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Looking good!  |
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| drae wrote: | | Snipes wrote: | https://x.com/casualtakeking/status/1902910575132234025?s=46
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Looking good! |
Gramps looking spry! |
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Lebron is a legit Laker great, because he's won a NBA title as well as been a multiple time all-star as a Laker. That's enough criteria to get your jersey hung.
The thing to understand there is that he will always be also seen as a Cav/Heat because he had more team and individual success in non-Laker years. He's not seen in the same light as some of the Laker greats (even though he may have surpassed them overall as a player).
Kobe (obvious reasons)
West (obvious reason, tenure)
Kareem (More rings, 3 MVPs)
Shaq (More rings, MVP year)
Pau (More rings)
So he will never quite be on Kobe/Kareem/Shaq level as a Laker, even though as a career he has surpassed them all. That's where it's tricky because his best time and most dominant play that paralleled what Shaq/Kobe/Kareem's best gave Laker fans, was as a Cav or Heat. If he wins a ring with Luka, he'll definitely surpass Pau's time as a Laker. Some would argue he already has, and I'm okay with that as Pau was not on Lebron's level/role. Yet if you look at vs Shaq's time, Kareem's time, it's not even close the success/level those guys gave vs Lebron. Similar to Lebron, Shaq/Kareem had some great years in another jersey and even won a title in another jersey. However their time as Lakers though, it was more successful. By considerable margin.
Hard to really truly love a guy like that the same way as the team success was just never the same. I never disliked Lebron due to love for Kobe. I always saw him as a generation younger and a different player. T-Mac/Carter/Iverson were more guys that I disliked because of Kobe. They were his real rivals and tried to debate him being as good as he really was (IE the next Jordan which Kobe proved he was and they weren't).
Not loving Lebron but I do completely respect him and greatly appreciate he chose LA as his retirement base towards the end of his career. Had he not, I don't think Pelinka and Jeanie construct a title winner. No AD coming here, and without AD, no Luka here eventually. Lebron started it all by coming here in 2018. Much respect for that. It was a big win for the Lakers that he chose to end his career here. As JC said, at most we would have hoped for was a 4 year run with him until 2022. He's given us more than that. However, I'll also say. the 4 years was underwhelming. He was given prime AD, and had a good team around him that he was not able to carry to the NBA Finals more than once. It's understandable, but don't tell me Pre 2017 Lebron can't carry us to more than 1 NBA Finals in his first few years here. Even with the AD injuries and mediocre GM'ing by Rob. The bottom line is that had he had some MVP years as a Laker, we have better team success and probably are in 2 to 3 NBA Finals in his Laker run between 2018-2023. The team had AD and a lot of talent around them.
Overall though I still can't ignore vs Kareem, Shaq, Pau etc. his best years and team success were NON-Laker years. He just couldn't help us the same way he did Cavs/Heat.
Non Laker years:
9 NBA Finals in 15 years.
3 titles.
4 MVPs.
1 lottery year in 15 years.
Laker years:
1 NBA title in 6 years.
1 NBA Finals in 6 years.
2 lottery years in 6 years (soon to be 7).
0 MVPS
The Laker resume just pails in comparison, unfortunately. Now getting Luka, may be the move that shifts those title numbers. If he can finish with 1-2 more rings, it certainly would change some of that balance. Laker greats are judged by rings and team success not just all-star appearances. This year is a resurgence/extension to his Laker career in many ways. |
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A good post ^^ but what about that guy, you know, think hocus pocus, or pick a card, or I'll pull a rabbit out of my hat....
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| Snipes wrote: | https://x.com/casualtakeking/status/1902910575132234025?s=46
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If it was currently the Playoffs he'd likely be playing.
As far as Laker tenure.
LeBron's been a Laker longer than he was a member of the Miami Heat. He'll likely be here at least one more season. The Lakers legitimately could win 2 more titles because of having Luka if everyone on the roster remains healthy.
If he has 9 years as a Laker and 3 titles with 1 Finals MVP I don't think it will be a question. Nor will it be for Luka who'd start his Lakers tenure with 2 titles and 2 Finals MVPs.
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