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I think it's a given AD's jersey will be retired, no matter what happens from this point forward.
I agree. The precedent was pretty much set when Wilt played for the Lakers five seasons and won one ring. If you are a HOF and do at least 5/1 you're going to get your number retired.
Echo was done so no cardiomyopathy, no blockage
EKG was normal, still possible that he had a non sustained arrhythmia. I’m guessing they’re doing holter monitoring (continuous EKG) right now but if everything cardiac is normal, Bronny should be able to continue his basketball career
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Bronny James, who on Monday suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized, had a cardiac screening several months ago as part of a program for prospective NBA players, according to a source familiar with the matter. The screening included a transthoracic echocardiogram – which looks at blood flow through the heart and heart valves – and an EKG, which is a recording of the heart’s electrical activity, the source said. Both screenings came back with normal results. The normal results of those tests are a good sign and likely mean the episode wasn’t caused by an anatomical preexisting problem. – via Dr. Sanjay Gupta @ CNN.com
Somehow missed this the first time.
The normal ECHO does make hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy (HOCM) less likely but doesn't rule it out. I wonder if it was done in a resting or exertional state, when HOCM becomes more apparent.
If they are doing a Holter, I hope it means that they've ruled out HOCM and are still fishing for the cause. That's unnerving for many (to not know the cause) but at the same time HOCM is generally a worst-case scenario considering the information made public thus far. _________________ Luxury Tax/FA Spreadsheet (Save to your Google Drive to edit)
I think it's a given AD's jersey will be retired, no matter what happens from this point forward.
I agree. The precedent was pretty much set when Wilt played for the Lakers five seasons and won one ring. If you are a HOF and do at least 5/1 you're going to get your number retired.
The Lakers started retiring numbers in 1983. The first three they retired -- at the same event -- was West, Baylor and Wilt. I have no idea if the Lakers had any standard in mind, other than thinking that they were three great players.
At this point, the Lakers have a tradition of only retiring Hall of Fame players. Beyond that, there isn't any criteria. Jeannie can retire anyone she wants. And I imagine she likes the idea of retiring jerseys of players who won the first ring under her stewartship of the team.
Echo was done so no cardiomyopathy, no blockage
EKG was normal, still possible that he had a non sustained arrhythmia. I’m guessing they’re doing holter monitoring (continuous EKG) right now but if everything cardiac is normal, Bronny should be able to continue his basketball career
Quote:
Bronny James, who on Monday suffered a cardiac arrest and was hospitalized, had a cardiac screening several months ago as part of a program for prospective NBA players, according to a source familiar with the matter. The screening included a transthoracic echocardiogram – which looks at blood flow through the heart and heart valves – and an EKG, which is a recording of the heart’s electrical activity, the source said. Both screenings came back with normal results. The normal results of those tests are a good sign and likely mean the episode wasn’t caused by an anatomical preexisting problem. – via Dr. Sanjay Gupta @ CNN.com
Somehow missed this the first time.
The normal ECHO does make hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy (HOCM) less likely but doesn't rule it out. I wonder if it was done in a resting or exertional state, when HOCM becomes more apparent.
If they are doing a Holter, I hope it means that they've ruled out HOCM and are still fishing for the cause. That's unnerving for many (to not know the cause) but at the same time HOCM is generally a worst-case scenario considering the information made public thus far.
Just me, but I find it difficult to believe that Bronny “continues his basketball career. Why?
If they cannot determine the exact cause and ensure the risk for a repeat is near zero it makes no sense for the young man to play again.
I get that it is his dream, but dreams change due to circumstances.
As a father, it would be difficult to support him continuing any type of career if there is even a small health risk of it happening again. The young man is part of a family with great wealth. The opportunities are too many to put his life at risk for a game.
Go to college, start a business, move on with life. I understand it would be a kick in the nuts to have to reimagine his future but if the health risk is even minimal he should. JMO
Wish him nothing but good health for his and his families sake.
I agree. He's got a long life ahead of him and playing basketball is probably only going to be a short period of time. Highly unlikely he will play as long as his father. Unfortunately this threw a huge roadblock to his potential athletic career. Potential teams will look at his health challenges and will pass.
Get well Bronny, hoping for a complete recovery without any ongoing issues.
On another topic…I think against our wishes…LBJ will be the primary back up C this year. We were shocked when he played it last year and therefore shouldn’t be shocked when he does it again going forward. All of the other options look to either be too short (Rui), too thin (Vand), or too unskilled (Hayes).
Hayes/Cam/MaxC…Either could play nominal minutes or break through to get in the rotation…they look to be for now insurance for foul trouble and injuries. I know there was talk about Hayes starting but that only reminds me of the talk last year that Bryant/Jones would be competing for the starting C spot.
Anything could happen, I’m just speculating my own opinion and have been wrong many times before but Players are more likely to play similarly to how they have been playing with few taking major leaps in productivity.
LBJ will likely man the back up C, whether we like it or not. It would be a nice story tho, 1 ship as PG, another as C. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
Get well Bronny, hoping for a complete recovery without any ongoing issues.
On another topic…I think against our wishes…LBJ will be the primary back up C this year. We were shocked when he played it last year and therefore shouldn’t be shocked when he does it again going forward. All of the other options look to either be too short (Rui), too thin (Vand), or too unskilled (Hayes).
Hayes/Cam/MaxC…Either could play nominal minutes or break through to get in the rotation…they look to be for now insurance for foul trouble and injuries. I know there was talk about Hayes starting but that only reminds me of the talk last year that Bryant/Jones would be competing for the starting C spot.
Anything could happen, I’m just speculating my own opinion and have been wrong many times before but Players are more likely to play similarly to how they have been playing with few taking major leaps in productivity.
LBJ will likely man the back up C, whether we like it or not. It would be a nice story tho, 1 ship as PG, another as C.
No way Ham run an 8th man roster in the regular season.. Ham will go 10-11 deep each game... It will be ideal to keep Lebron around 30mpg and AD around 32-34mpg.
Get well Bronny, hoping for a complete recovery without any ongoing issues.
On another topic…I think against our wishes…LBJ will be the primary back up C this year. We were shocked when he played it last year and therefore shouldn’t be shocked when he does it again going forward. All of the other options look to either be too short (Rui), too thin (Vand), or too unskilled (Hayes).
Hayes/Cam/MaxC…Either could play nominal minutes or break through to get in the rotation…they look to be for now insurance for foul trouble and injuries. I know there was talk about Hayes starting but that only reminds me of the talk last year that Bryant/Jones would be competing for the starting C spot.
Anything could happen, I’m just speculating my own opinion and have been wrong many times before but Players are more likely to play similarly to how they have been playing with few taking major leaps in productivity.
LBJ will likely man the back up C, whether we like it or not. It would be a nice story tho, 1 ship as PG, another as C.
No way Ham run an 8th man roster in the regular season.. Ham will go 10-11 deep each game... It will be ideal to keep Lebron around 30mpg and AD around 32-34mpg.
I agree for the reg season Ham will likely use 9-11 players. It should be interesting to see how the minutes distribution shakes out. The top 8 playoff players could be totally different than expected/predicted by the time the post season starts. _________________ “When it looks as if it is a realistic possibility, I want to focus on winning a ship like it’s a goal that can’t be denied. I didn’t see that this off season.”
No way Ham run an 8th man roster in the regular season.. Ham will go 10-11 deep each game... It will be ideal to keep Lebron around 30mpg and AD around 32-34mpg.
I agree for the reg season Ham will likely use 9-11 players. It should be interesting to see how the minutes distribution shakes out. The top 8 playoff players could be totally different than expected/predicted by the time the post season starts.
Yea it will depend really who they start. I've read reports that they are looking start Hayes. Hayes starting will create some log jam on the rotation. That also means that Rui and Vando will come off the bench. 2nd unit will look like Gabe/Christie or Cam/Prince/Rui/Vando... They will be long but will lack a big and rebounder.
Get well Bronny, hoping for a complete recovery without any ongoing issues.
On another topic…I think against our wishes…LBJ will be the primary back up C this year. We were shocked when he played it last year and therefore shouldn’t be shocked when he does it again going forward. All of the other options look to either be too short (Rui), too thin (Vand), or too unskilled (Hayes).
Hayes/Cam/MaxC…Either could play nominal minutes or break through to get in the rotation…they look to be for now insurance for foul trouble and injuries. I know there was talk about Hayes starting but that only reminds me of the talk last year that Bryant/Jones would be competing for the starting C spot.
Anything could happen, I’m just speculating my own opinion and have been wrong many times before but Players are more likely to play similarly to how they have been playing with few taking major leaps in productivity.
LBJ will likely man the back up C, whether we like it or not. It would be a nice story tho, 1 ship as PG, another as C.
Lebron and Davis playing 36 minutes per is not ideal. Maybe around 32 a piece...
Also would not mind upping Reaves and Russell's minutes. They are young and motivated. Get their asses out there!
I think it's a given AD's jersey will be retired, no matter what happens from this point forward.
I agree. The precedent was pretty much set when Wilt played for the Lakers five seasons and won one ring. If you are a HOF and do at least 5/1 you're going to get your number retired.
Bob McAdoo - 2 Laker Rings in 4 years and HOF. _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
So did LeBron get that foot surgery or did he not need it?
Haven't seen any reporting on this since May when he was going in for an MRI. Lebron did say if he got surgery, the media would never know. So it's possible he got surgery without anyone knowing or it's possible the condition was able to heal without surgery.
I think it's a given AD's jersey will be retired, no matter what happens from this point forward.
I agree. The precedent was pretty much set when Wilt played for the Lakers five seasons and won one ring. If you are a HOF and do at least 5/1 you're going to get your number retired.
Bob McAdoo - 2 Laker Rings in 4 years and HOF.
Yes, there have been Hall of Famers who were contributors to Lakers rings we didn't retire.
McAdoo is one. Spencer Hayward, who was a member of the 1980, ring team is another. Mitch Richmond, who was a deep bench guy for a ring team, is another.
I don't think there is any particular formula about rings and years of services that the Lakers use. If you are a Hall of Famer who had a significant career as a Laker, the team would probably retire your jersey. McAdoo probably didn't make the cut because his career here was short (4 years/224 games) and he was a reserve.
If you're the 1 or 1a option on a Lakers Championship team you get your jersey retired. There you go. _________________ How NBA 2K18 failed the All-Time Lakers:
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I think it's a given AD's jersey will be retired, no matter what happens from this point forward.
I agree. The precedent was pretty much set when Wilt played for the Lakers five seasons and won one ring. If you are a HOF and do at least 5/1 you're going to get your number retired.
Bob McAdoo - 2 Laker Rings in 4 years and HOF.
Yes, there have been Hall of Famers who were contributors to Lakers rings we didn't retire.
McAdoo is one. Spencer Hayward, who was a member of the 1980, ring team is another. Mitch Richmond, who was a deep bench guy for a ring team, is another.
I don't think there is any particular formula about rings and years of services that the Lakers use. If you are a Hall of Famer who had a significant career as a Laker, the team would probably retire your jersey. McAdoo probably didn't make the cut because his career here was short (4 years/224 games) and he was a reserve.
Haywood was kicked off of the 79-80 team before the playoffs because of his cocaine habit (he wasn't the only one, but he was the fall guy). IIRC, he also plotted to have Lakers coach Paul Westhead killed, so his omission is understandable!
McAdoo, however, was a great contributor and I don't think we win in '82 without him. Our big FA signing (Mitch Kupchak) tore up his knee and there was nothing behind KAJ at C. We traded for McAdoo and the Laker bench instantly became (in the words of noted hater Brent Musberger) "better than any starting 5 in the league except Boston's.." We'd have won in 83 except McAdoo & Worthy got hurt in the playoffs.
Richmond was done when we got him.
Of course, the question that always draws debate is Michael Cooper . . . _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
If you're the 1 or 1a option on a Lakers Championship team you get your jersey retired. There you go.
Jamaal Wilkes? Gail Goodrich? James Worthy? _________________ On Lakersground, a concern troll is someone who is a fan of another team, but pretends to be a Lakers fan with "concerns".
If you're the 1 or 1a option on a Lakers Championship team you get your jersey retired. There you go.
Jamaal Wilkes? Gail Goodrich? James Worthy?
Yes, there are certainly players we have retired who weren't 1 or 1a option on a ring team.
You named three. Elgin Baylor never won a ring as a Laker, retiring early into the 1972 season (though the Lakers gave him a ring).
I think the "criteria," to the degree there is a criteria, is just, "For your jersey to be retired, you have to be a Hall of Famer who had a significant career as a Laker. What constitutes a 'significant career' is not based on fixed criteria, but depends on years of services, rings won, and your overall accomplishments as a Laker."
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