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| activeverb wrote: | ^^^^^^
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And you have over 37k posts without an actual basketball take
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| CamReddish wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | ^^^^^^
LG is mostly a primal therapy session where people are whining or venting or scapegoating or fantacizing about lopsided trades. |
And you have over 37k posts without an actual basketball take
Mostly trying to explain how smart you are without actually being smart |
That's fine. You can have any reaction to my posts that you want to have, or no reaction at all. It's all the same to me. |
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| activeverb wrote: | ^^^^^^
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The man is 39 and putting up a TS% currently higher than Jokic and highest of his career. Just incredible. I wont say he was better than Shaq or Jordan when comparing absolute peaks but he certainly has a better longevity than anyone who has ever played in the NBA. Nobody who has ever played in the NBA is even worthy of being compared to the great Lebron James in this regard. Greatest #1 pick of all time and its not even close. Shaq who could never solve his free throws, company time and playing defense/conditioning when he felt like it and Kareem Mr. Can't Rebound in the latter half of his career and got wrecked by Moses Malone repeatedly arent close.
Think about this guys: One Man (Jokic) prevented Bron from winning it all again in year 38 when he suffered a serious injury. Amongst the final 4, only Denver would and did end up beating us. I never thought for a second Miami or Boston (even had they won Game 7) could beat us in finals. Boston is so pathetic and mentally weak (other than Derrick White and especially looking at Tatum and a Brown who was not mentally right), I boldly predicted on here they would lose Game 7 after they won Games 4, 5, and 6. Its a damn shame. |
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| governator wrote: | | Bron should be and still is one of the best #2 in the league, up there with Jaylen Brown, Dame, PG, Booker, Murray. I think it’s AD that has to go to the next gear and join Giannis, Jokic, Embiid and Curry |
Good luck with that
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| TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo.
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1995Lakers
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| Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. You could frankly have a better argument if someone were to say they prefer Curry or Wade over Magic or Kobe respectively than comparing Magic and Kobe to Lebron. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. |
I’ll take Kareem/Magic/Kobe over LBJ everyday. It’s Lakers first always. What I’m saying is that LBJ is doing some historic stuff not him vs them. I’m not getting on any fracking LBJ bandwagon against MY all time Lakers.
Neither Shaq nor LBJ are considered any more than great players that played great for the Lakers and LBJ is doing it on a historic level, they are not part of the all time Laker squad as they are not Lakers, imo.
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| CamReddish wrote: | | activeverb wrote: | ^^^^^^
LG is mostly a primal therapy session where people are whining or venting or scapegoating or fantacizing about lopsided trades. |
And you have over 37k posts without an actual basketball take
Mostly trying to explain how smart you are without actually being smart |
37k just under that one name  |
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This is the most explosive and freshest I have seen Lebron look since 2018-19 before Le Pop on Xmas against GS.
Kind of wild, but good for us. Maybe, just maybe some others on the team (no names) can get head out of ass and play like they are still in their basketball prime |
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| miggz23 wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
Seriously.. I find it very odd when I see so called Laker fans saying stuff like that. I kind a understood it his first couple years because it was so fresh and some people were still coping. But I guess some people just can't enjoy things.
Also makes me wonder how they go about cheering for the team. Definitely some of them having mixed emotions. I mean, I've seen some Laker fans in here saying they stopped watching since he joined. |
I get not being all in on Lebron, but if these “laker” fans stopped watching or even root against us…they were never real laker fans, just Kobe fans. (Which is ok…just don’t pretend you were ever a team fan) |
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| Brawn13 wrote: | | miggz23 wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
Seriously.. I find it very odd when I see so called Laker fans saying stuff like that. I kind a understood it his first couple years because it was so fresh and some people were still coping. But I guess some people just can't enjoy things.
Also makes me wonder how they go about cheering for the team. Definitely some of them having mixed emotions. I mean, I've seen some Laker fans in here saying they stopped watching since he joined. |
I get not being all in on Lebron, but if these “laker” fans stopped watching or even root against us…they were never real laker fans, just Kobe fans. (Which is ok…just don’t pretend you were ever a team fan) |
I feel the same, if you leave because of a player…or show up because of a player too (Clev/Mia fans looking at you)…then imo it’s questionable whether you ever really were here for the team anyway. It’s cool, no shade, all kinds of fans are necessary. But there are die hard fans of teams and then there is everyone else the way I see it.
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I still remember when he just signed here, everyone thought he just came here to ride the sunset and to get into hollywood and not care. Here we are 6 seasons as a laker and still trying to compete for a title.
Just like Kap, Shaq, and Kobe. He needs a Magic, Kobe, and Gasol before he retires. Were looking at you AD. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. You could frankly have a better argument if someone were to say they prefer Curry or Wade over Magic or Kobe respectively than comparing Magic and Kobe to Lebron. |
The problem is that Laker Lebron has been nowhere near his best. I was commenting on Laker players.
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. You could frankly have a better argument if someone were to say they prefer Curry or Wade over Magic or Kobe respectively than comparing Magic and Kobe to Lebron. |
You’re absolutely smoking crack if you do t think peak Kobe doesn’t go against peak Lebron competitively |
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| Robblake wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. You could frankly have a better argument if someone were to say they prefer Curry or Wade over Magic or Kobe respectively than comparing Magic and Kobe to Lebron. |
You’re absolutely smoking crack if you do t think peak Kobe doesn’t go against peak Lebron competitively |
Funny thing you said competitively but cant say he is better than peak Lebron. I never said 2006 Kobe couldnt be competitive with 2013 Lebron. Im very aware of the insane scoring binges that 06 Kobe could go on. That being said, Im confident in saying most people would choose 2013 Bron than 2006 Kobe. |
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| 1995Lakers wrote: | | Robblake wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. You could frankly have a better argument if someone were to say they prefer Curry or Wade over Magic or Kobe respectively than comparing Magic and Kobe to Lebron. |
You’re absolutely smoking crack if you do t think peak Kobe doesn’t go against peak Lebron competitively |
Funny thing you said competitively but cant say he is better than peak Lebron. I never said 2006 Kobe couldnt be competitive with 2013 Lebron. Im very aware of the insane scoring binges that 06 Kobe could go on. That being said, Im confident in saying most people would choose 2013 Bron than 2006 Kobe. |
I'll pick 2006 Kobe easily. Kobe was able to win a Championship with Pau Gasol and despite him being injured and not 100% was able to lead the Lakers to beat an younger version of the Celtics that LeBron formed the superteam with Miami to beat. And the older version that took that entire Big 3 7 games with prime LeBron.
LeBron needed Wade and Bosh to get through that team.
An injured Kobe, needed Gasol and didn't even have a healthy roster in that series nor the first.
Kobe could beat that Celtics team with Pau Gasol as the 2nd best player on that team.
Would LeBron have accomplished that? Most likely not.
LeBron surrounded himself with finishers that could get their shot in moments like that because he knew driving to the basket isn't always going to work when the defense is ready for it. Heck Popovich had him scouted forcing LeBron to take long shots to end the game, and if not for Ray Allen, the Heat lose that game and LeBron is known for being stopped down the stretch because Popovich was stopping his drive, on top of only being a 75% free throw shooter he couldn't be relied upon if he got fouled to the line. That stuff matters. 2013 LeBron was stopped in the 4th Quarter because Popovich had the drive scouted and LeBron was forced into bricking jump shots and it nearly cost his team the game.
LeBron also left to form another super team after the Spurs destroyed The Heat. Kobe despite his team not being healthy in 2007(No Bynum or Ariza) came back and beat that Celtics team in 7, elevating his teammates in the process and adjusting his leadership style to push them further.
LeBron, bailed, to form another Super Team like Emperor Palpatine replacing his Sith Apprentices with someone "Far younger and more powerful." in his eyes.
I'll take 2006 Kobe over 2013 LeBron any day of the week. Be it one on one, or in general.
And if we took that a step further and gave them both equal rosters with the only change being 2006 Kobe is on one team and 2013 LeBron is on the other team. I'm betting on Kobe's team 10 times out of 10.
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LBJ in top 5 for In-Season Tournament MVP
Here’s a look at which players are claiming the early inside track toward tournament MVP honors.
Top 5: Haliburton, Sabonis, LBJ, KAT, Joker
| Quote: | LeBron James, Los Angeles Lakers
Tournament stats: 27.7 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 60.0 FG%
The Lakers have struck on solid balance in tournament play, and James serves as its focal point. The 38-year-old is lifting up his younger teammates while stepping up during relatively subpar play from Anthony Davis.
James’ work against Portland on Friday — 35 points, nine assists, five 3-pointers — was a reminder of his ageless excellence. At one point he shared the court with Blazers forward Jabari Walker, whose father, Samaki, played against James from 2004-06.
Nearly 20 years later, James has the Lakers (3-0) sitting alone and undefeated atop West Group A. Winning their remaining game against second-place Utah on Tuesday (10 ET, TNT) would clinch L.A. a berth in the Knockout Rounds.
https://www.nba.com/news/in-season-tournament-mvp-ladder-nov-18 |
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I'll always be forever grateful for the one championship he blessed LA with, which also tied us with Foston. Unfortunately, it made Jeanie and Rob look like competent leaders which gave them a much longer leash to drive this franchise much deeper into the ground.
Thank you Lebron for being here. 
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| MJST wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Robblake wrote: | | 1995Lakers wrote: | | Hanging from Rafters wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | TheBlackMamba wrote: | | The last page of this thread is comedy, lol. Making what he's still doing seem normal and expected because he's paid 47M (some of ya'll should check salaries around the league, btw, to get a better idea of what 47M even represents nowadays) is certainly...a take. I feel bad for people who can't enjoy one of the all-time greats doing things no one has done before on their team - while winning games, at that - and longing for the days when he's off the team so we can go back to praying for ping pong balls and watching (bleep) basketball like most of the 2010s. |
It’s less about Lebron and more about fans telling us how much we should appreciate him. I’ve been a Laker fan for a long time, I saw Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Kobe. What Lebron has done as a Laker isn’t more impressive than what any of them have done and less than some of them. As a Laker fan I’ve honestly seen better. |
I saw them the too, Kareem, Magic, Kobe. Each one of them will always be in a category ahead of LBJ in my Lakers’ book. Make no mistake about it tho, The difference is team accomplishments because of West, Dad-Buss, Riley/Jackson as GM, Owner, Coach instead of Rob, Daughter-Buss, Vogel/Ham. As far as individual accomplishments we were cringing at Kareem toward the end as a shell of himself wondering if he should still be in the NBA. We also watched Magic attempt a comeback playing PF moving like a stiff. Without injuries I believe Kobe could have maintained but Antoni (there’s no D), and Scott would not or could not manage his minutes responsibly and toward the end we wanted him to stop jacking up so many forced shots because efficiently was down. I think the threads centered around the fact that we win if Kobe took less that 20 shots, lost if he took more.
I like all three 10 times better…Kareem, Magic, Kobe…but we did not see any one of them come close to what we’re seeing LBJ do now at the similar time in their careers. And if we had an owner/GM/Coach that they had I believe we would have seen similar team team success. What we are seeing LBJ do is historic, to downplay it is disingenuous and off base imo. |
Im sorry but only Shaq at his apex (2000 and 2001) was arguably better than Bron at his apex (which I would consider in 2013 when his sharp mind developed the necessary mental toughness to match his physical gifts) and none of them are close to him in longevity. Cap was ALWAYS weak vs physicality and why we always needed that muscle power forward next to him.....which we ironically had the perfect fit but got rid of him: Kermit Washington. Magic and Kobe were not better than Bron plain and simple: in longevity or peak. There is no metric that says either of them were better than Bron and frankly my eye test favors Bron at his best vs either of those two at theirs. You could frankly have a better argument if someone were to say they prefer Curry or Wade over Magic or Kobe respectively than comparing Magic and Kobe to Lebron. |
You’re absolutely smoking crack if you do t think peak Kobe doesn’t go against peak Lebron competitively |
Funny thing you said competitively but cant say he is better than peak Lebron. I never said 2006 Kobe couldnt be competitive with 2013 Lebron. Im very aware of the insane scoring binges that 06 Kobe could go on. That being said, Im confident in saying most people would choose 2013 Bron than 2006 Kobe. |
I'll pick 2006 Kobe easily. Kobe was able to win a Championship with Pau Gasol and despite him being injured and not 100% was able to lead the Lakers to beat an younger version of the Celtics that LeBron formed the superteam with Miami to beat. And the older version that took that entire Big 3 7 games with prime LeBron.
LeBron needed Wade and Bosh to get through that team.
An injured Kobe, needed Gasol and didn't even have a healthy roster in that series nor the first.
Kobe could beat that Celtics team with Pau Gasol as the 2nd best player on that team.
Would LeBron have accomplished that? Most likely not.
LeBron surrounded himself with finishers that could get their shot in moments like that because he knew driving to the basket isn't always going to work when the defense is ready for it. Heck Popovich had him scouted forcing LeBron to take long shots to end the game, and if not for Ray Allen, the Heat lose that game and LeBron is known for being stopped down the stretch because Popovich was stopping his drive, on top of only being a 75% free throw shooter he couldn't be relied upon if he got fouled to the line. That stuff matters. 2013 LeBron was stopped in the 4th Quarter because Popovich had the drive scouted and LeBron was forced into bricking jump shots and it nearly cost his team the game.
LeBron also left to form another super team after the Spurs destroyed The Heat. Kobe despite his team not being healthy in 2007(No Bynum or Ariza) came back and beat that Celtics team in 7, elevating his teammates in the process and adjusting his leadership style to push them further.
LeBron, bailed, to form another Super Team like Emperor Palpatine replacing his Sith Apprentices with someone "Far younger and more powerful." in his eyes.
I'll take 2006 Kobe over 2013 LeBron any day of the week. Be it one on one, or in general.
And if we took that a step further and gave them both equal rosters with the only change being 2006 Kobe is on one team and 2013 LeBron is on the other team. I'm betting on Kobe's team 10 times out of 10. |
In 2008, 23 year old Lebron with a mediocre supporting cast outplayed Kobe in his series against the Celtics and forced a down to the wire 7 game series while prime Kobe lost in 6. Prime Lebron with Gasol instead of Illgauskas' corpse certainly beats the Celtics. |
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In season tournament MVP? The NBA’s greed has no limits.
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It's ungrateful to complain about a guy in year 21 doing what LBJ is doing.
It's idiotic to hate on a current Laker champion so you can prop a previous Laker champion... why choose? You can love them all.
Y'all need to stop this nonsense and enjoy the single greatest basketball player ever.
And for the record... I despised Bron for his entire career, all the way until he won us that chip.
I LOVE Kobe... Bron is the greatest to ever play and he's in purple and gold.
And I'm grateful!🔥
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