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J.C. Smith Franchise Player

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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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I got a kick out of Lebron passing the blunt tonight. |
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miggz23 Star Player

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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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J.C. Smith wrote: | I got a kick out of Lebron passing the blunt tonight. |
Yea what was that all about? He did it with AD also...
Is this reference to Snoop, who announced he quit smoking? |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player


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In 2008, 23 year old Lebron with a mediocre supporting cast outplayed Kobe in his series against the Celtics and forced a down to the wire 7 game series while prime Kobe lost in 6. Prime Lebron with Gasol instead of Illgauskas' corpse certainly beats the Celtics. |
James had 26.7ppg but shot 35%, and 23% from 3. He had 7.6 assists, but averaged over 5 turnovers per game. Cavs 3rd, 4th and 5th option all outscored the Celtics options. They held the Celtics to under 85ppg, Ray Allen shot terrible (as opposed to the Finals where he couldn't miss). against the Lakers they scored over a 100ppg. The Lakers weren't that good, especially defensively. outside of Kobe and Pau, you had Odom and Fisher and the next most used guys were Vujacic, Radmanovic and Farmar playing some 20mpg. Then with 10mpg or less Walton, Turiaf and Ariza. James ain't beating them with that team _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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GOODRICH25 Star Player


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BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | Lebron physically looks amazing. That dunk he had down the lane was surprising, you don’t want to see him empty the tank early in the season but he looks awesome right now. Just have to keep him healthy. |
Healthy and fresh. Can't have him gassed come playoffs. Taking the gas off the pedal a bit would do is good actually _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Batguano Star Player

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:08 am Post subject: |
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george w kush wrote: | Batguano wrote: | Lakeshow23_ wrote: |
In 2008, 23 year old Lebron with a mediocre supporting cast outplayed Kobe in his series against the Celtics and forced a down to the wire 7 game series while prime Kobe lost in 6. Prime Lebron with Gasol instead of Illgauskas' corpse certainly beats the Celtics. |
Give prime Kobe Wade and Bosh and he won't loose to the 2011 Mavs like LeBron did pulling a weird disappearing act that confounds even his own fans to this day. See? Anybody can play that stupid "replace this guy with that guy" game and shape a narrative. |
At least they won a couple of games, unlike the Kobe-led defending champion Lakers with Gasol and Bynum who got swept by that same Mavs team the same year..
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Ah, well that's where context matters, kiddo. It's not the same to be a defending championship team going for it's 4th Finals in a row with Kobe (32), Gasol (30), Odom (31) vs a newly formed SUPERTEAM with fresh legs and everyone in their prime: LeBron (26), Wade (29), Bosh (26). |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player


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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Heat were heavy favorites, even if they met us that year, the hype was off the charts Lakers losing doesn't compare, it would have been like the 2017 Warriors losing _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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PenG_ Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:46 am Post subject: |
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GOODRICH25 wrote: | Heat were heavy favorites, even if they met us that year, the hype was off the charts Lakers losing doesn't compare, it would have been like the 2017 Warriors losing |
The Lakers were bigger pre-series favorites, although that's likely explained by what the Mavs did to the Lakers.
https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-playoffs-series/?y=2011&o=s |
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Cyberfreak444 Starting Rotation

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:54 am Post subject: |
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LeBron has been one of the best offensive players in the NBA so far. He looks like the player we haven't seen for a few years again. In fact, he's actually scoring at an efficiency eclipsing some of his best seasons on the Miami Heat. So that got me thinking about why he looks so much better...
1) The five out scheme - Not much has been made of the Lakers implementing a 5 out scheme ala the Warriors this season. But they came into this season committed to moving away from the Bud-style 4 out 1 in to a more 5 out scheme. Now the personnel of the Lakers isn't necessarily a good fit for this scheme and we've seen the Lakers scale back the frequency of those sets. But one guy who has benefitted from a more cleared out paint in some of these sets is LeBron. He also has the strength to drive through stunts at the free throw line (a weakness of five out scheme that has negatively affected DLo and Reaves).
2) Teammates who can (in theory) space the floor - Sure the Lakers team shooting has been abysmal but at least on paper they have shooters that need to be respected. This is a far cry from past years (especially with Westbrook) when the paint was entirely clogged with guys sagging off shooters. As has been proven for more than a decade, if you put credible shooters around LeBron he will score efficiently or punish the defense for daring to send help. But for some reason the Lakers (and GM LeBron) forgot that. This is easily the best team spacing the Lakers have had since the 2020 championship season.
3) He's healthy again - Even after the trade deadline when the personnel around him improved, LeBron didn't look right. He looked to be picking his spots. He didn't have his first step. He didn't explode when finishing. The open question was whether it was due to age or injury. So far it looks pretty clear that his foot was really bothering him. He is flat out blowing by guys at times. And we've seen him return to his usual high efficiency around the rim.
4) His jumpshot is back - Perhaps contrary to his reputation, LeBron has long been a pretty solid jump shooter. Per bball index, for most of his Laker tenure, LeBron was routinely an A quality shotmaker on three pointers despite having F quality shot quality (a function of rarely having guys set him up for quality three point looks). That is until last season when his shooting fell off a cliff. Amongst all the various things the Lakers need to happen to legitimately contend this season, few are more important than LeBron finding his jumpshot again. Thankfully, at least so far, he seems to have done just that. He described it in the postgame as a result of being more healthy and thus being able to work on his off days on his jumper. But his shot looks much more balanced and consistent.
5) Off ball work - LeBron is without question a ball dominant player. But unlike the James Harden types, he has developed into a very useful off ball player as well. He sets great screens and is fantastic at sealing his man if there's a switch. And if there is any sort of a trap or hard hedge on the ball handler, he's deadly in the short role as both a threat to drive and finish and pass. Zach Lowe has said for a few years that LeBron is one of the best cutters in the NBA when he wants to be. When he's not involved in the pick and roll, he's made regular use of the stampede cut from the opposite elbow to the rim. It also helps off ball that his jumper has been falling. While he still often closes games with the ball in his hands, his willingness to be off the ball on the weakside or as the pick setter (for Reaves in particular) has given him easy scoring opportunities. |
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Four Decade Bandwagon Star Player

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:55 am Post subject: |
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GOODRICH25 wrote: | BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | Lebron physically looks amazing. That dunk he had down the lane was surprising, you don’t want to see him empty the tank early in the season but he looks awesome right now. Just have to keep him healthy. |
Healthy and fresh. Can't have him gassed come playoffs. Taking the gas off the pedal a bit would do is good actually |
No arguing James is doing some pretty amazing stuff right now. Efficiency is high and leading the teams to wins.
But disagree he needs to take the foot off the gas. Just not how the game is played. Any weakness is exploited by opponents. His cruising or pacing himself is exactly what opponents are looking for to steal games from the Lakers.
James has taken on the responsibility of being the leader of the team. Lakers need to ride him as long as he is able. Not arguing they need to cut his mins but the team is built as James’ team. They go as he goes by design.
League is competitive. No rest for the weak or mild. There are no playoffs if they don’t win games. Like any superstar he needs to play, and play hard. No matter the age, giving his best effort every night. NBA teams can occasionally overcome bad games by stars or them out for injury. But not consistently.
I’m enjoying the games. Just keep winning. |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player


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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Four Decade Bandwagon wrote: | GOODRICH25 wrote: | BandwagonLBJhopper wrote: | Lebron physically looks amazing. That dunk he had down the lane was surprising, you don’t want to see him empty the tank early in the season but he looks awesome right now. Just have to keep him healthy. |
Healthy and fresh. Can't have him gassed come playoffs. Taking the gas off the pedal a bit would do is good actually |
No arguing James is doing some pretty amazing stuff right now. Efficiency is high and leading the teams to wins.
But disagree he needs to take the foot off the gas. Just not how the game is played. Any weakness is exploited by opponents. His cruising or pacing himself is exactly what opponents are looking for to steal games from the Lakers.
James has taken on the responsibility of being the leader of the team. Lakers need to ride him as long as he is able. Not arguing they need to cut his mins but the team is built as James’ team. They go as he goes by design.
League is competitive. No rest for the weak or mild. There are no playoffs if they don’t win games. Like any superstar he needs to play, and play hard. No matter the age, giving his best effort every night. NBA teams can occasionally overcome bad games by stars or them out for injury. But not consistently.
I’m enjoying the games. Just keep winning. |
We have a talented offensive squad so he doesn't necessarily need to put up 30 a night. I'd rather he puts the 100% every night on the other end and take a bit of a lesser role offensively _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Lebron On-Court: +7.1 Net Rating (447 minutes)
Lebron Off-Court: -16.7 Net Rating (235 minutes)
https://tinyurl.com/5yty5z79
The man is a month shy of 39. He's averaging just under 3 quarters a game. Something needs to change. We need to find a way to have + minutes with him off the court. Cause what's he's doing isn't sustainable all season and a championship run after that. _________________ "knew I was fly when I was just a caterpillar." |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:29 am Post subject: |
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That seem skewed by two of the 14 games.
I'd like to see that after we play another 10 and hopefully get Vando back and Rui more minutes.
Would love to see Bron down to 28 a game and no b2bs. _________________ "If You're Afraid To Fail...Then You're Probably Going To Fail."
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:33 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | Lebron On-Court: +7.1 Net Rating (447 minutes)
Lebron Off-Court: -16.7 Net Rating (235 minutes)
https://tinyurl.com/5yty5z79
The man is a month shy of 39. He's averaging just under 3 quarters a game. Something needs to change. We need to find a way to have + minutes with him off the court. Cause what's he's doing isn't sustainable all season and a championship run after that. |
Bron gotta carry us until Ham figures it out. It is what it is. We do have enough talent tho _________________ “The main goal for the Lakers is to win a championship. All I care about, all we care about, is to raise another banner in the rafters.“ |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:57 am Post subject: |
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CervantesRises wrote: | That seem skewed by two of the 14 games.
I'd like to see that after we play another 10 and hopefully get Vando back and Rui more minutes.
Would love to see Bron down to 28 a game and no b2bs. |
It's not really an outlier issue IMO.
He's outperformed our team's plus/minus 10 out of the 14 games.
5 of those games by 10 or more.
And he sat out a game.
https://tinyurl.com/bdzeuey6 _________________ "knew I was fly when I was just a caterpillar." |
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:11 am Post subject: |
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So you're saying we are better when Lebron is on the floor?
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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 9:27 am Post subject: |
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defense wrote: | So you're saying we are better when Lebron is on the floor?
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I'm saying we're nowhere near to breaking even with Bron off the floor . (-16.7 Net rating).
And if we don't figure that out. That's a recipe for wearing out Bron. _________________ "knew I was fly when I was just a caterpillar." |
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GOODRICH25 Star Player


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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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PenG_ wrote: | GOODRICH25 wrote: | Heat were heavy favorites, even if they met us that year, the hype was off the charts Lakers losing doesn't compare, it would have been like the 2017 Warriors losing |
The Lakers were bigger pre-series favorites, although that's likely explained by what the Mavs did to the Lakers.
https://www.sportsoddshistory.com/nba-playoffs-series/?y=2011&o=s |
I don't consider pre season odds as a merit tbh. Miami was 3 superstars in their prime, I don't know anyone who didn't consider them favorites, even after a slower regular season _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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GOODRICH25 Star Player


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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | defense wrote: | So you're saying we are better when Lebron is on the floor?
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I'm saying we're nowhere near to breaking even with Bron off the floor . (-16.7 Net rating).
And if we don't figure that out. That's a recipe for wearing out Bron. |
A lot of those minutes are without both him and AD, when our defense suffers with Wood/Hayes _________________ 48 49 50 52 53 54 72 80 82
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Hard_Butter Franchise Player

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Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2023 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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What LeBron is doing at this age...with all that mileage on that body is simply amazing. There hasn't been any athlete in the history of any sport that has this sort of sustained excellence. It's actually kinda ludicrous. He might very well go down as the greatest athlete of any sport, of all time. Has PEDs been involved to aid his freakish gifts to enable him to do this? I shrug, perhaps that will be a debate years down the road. I'm just enjoying the now....probably cause I'm getting older. I'm a Showtime kid who has no allegiance to any one player. My allegiance is to the Lakers. And I thank LeBron James. _________________ The butter's hard and the eggs are chillin' in the dark.
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Cutheon Franchise Player

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Hard_Butter wrote: | What LeBron is doing at this age...with all that mileage on that body is simply amazing. There hasn't been any athlete in the history of any sport that has this sort of sustained excellence. It's actually kinda ludicrous. He might very well go down as the greatest athlete of any sport, of all time. Has PEDs been involved to aid his freakish gifts to enable him to do this? I shrug, perhaps that will be a debate years down the road. I'm just enjoying the now....probably cause I'm getting older. I'm a Showtime kid who has no allegiance to any one player. My allegiance is to the Lakers. And I thank LeBron James. |
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 7:31 am Post subject: |
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kikanga wrote: | defense wrote: | So you're saying we are better when Lebron is on the floor?
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I'm saying we're nowhere near to breaking even with Bron off the floor . (-16.7 Net rating).
And if we don't figure that out. That's a recipe for wearing out Bron. |
Isn't this the case with most team alphas?
Giannis
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Cutheon wrote: | Hard_Butter wrote: | What LeBron is doing at this age...with all that mileage on that body is simply amazing. There hasn't been any athlete in the history of any sport that has this sort of sustained excellence. It's actually kinda ludicrous. He might very well go down as the greatest athlete of any sport, of all time. Has PEDs been involved to aid his freakish gifts to enable him to do this? I shrug, perhaps that will be a debate years down the road. I'm just enjoying the now....probably cause I'm getting older. I'm a Showtime kid who has no allegiance to any one player. My allegiance is to the Lakers. And I thank LeBron James. |
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He was actually winning championships at an older age. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Cutheon wrote: | Hard_Butter wrote: | What LeBron is doing at this age...with all that mileage on that body is simply amazing. There hasn't been any athlete in the history of any sport that has this sort of sustained excellence. It's actually kinda ludicrous. He might very well go down as the greatest athlete of any sport, of all time. Has PEDs been involved to aid his freakish gifts to enable him to do this? I shrug, perhaps that will be a debate years down the road. I'm just enjoying the now....probably cause I'm getting older. I'm a Showtime kid who has no allegiance to any one player. My allegiance is to the Lakers. And I thank LeBron James. |
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He was actually winning championships at an older age. _________________ RIP mom. 11-21-1933 to 6-14-2023. |
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Hard_Butter Franchise Player

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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Cutheon wrote: | Hard_Butter wrote: | What LeBron is doing at this age...with all that mileage on that body is simply amazing. There hasn't been any athlete in the history of any sport that has this sort of sustained excellence. It's actually kinda ludicrous. He might very well go down as the greatest athlete of any sport, of all time. Has PEDs been involved to aid his freakish gifts to enable him to do this? I shrug, perhaps that will be a debate years down the road. I'm just enjoying the now....probably cause I'm getting older. I'm a Showtime kid who has no allegiance to any one player. My allegiance is to the Lakers. And I thank LeBron James. |
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I'm taking everything into accoint....not just championships. Longevity, accolades, numbers, physical gifts, etc....I think Bron stands on top. Keep in mind, in terms of basketball, I still think MJ is the GOAT. But what Bron is doing as far as maintaing this type of peak output/numbers is unherad of...in any sport. Also, the fact that he was the most hyped athlete ever to go pro and then to exceed it the way he has, is astounding to me.
PS - I do still think he's mad corny tho. _________________ The butter's hard and the eggs are chillin' in the dark.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2023 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Cutheon wrote: | Hard_Butter wrote: | What LeBron is doing at this age...with all that mileage on that body is simply amazing. There hasn't been any athlete in the history of any sport that has this sort of sustained excellence. It's actually kinda ludicrous. He might very well go down as the greatest athlete of any sport, of all time. Has PEDs been involved to aid his freakish gifts to enable him to do this? I shrug, perhaps that will be a debate years down the road. I'm just enjoying the now....probably cause I'm getting older. I'm a Showtime kid who has no allegiance to any one player. My allegiance is to the Lakers. And I thank LeBron James. |
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Among the major U.S. sports, Tom Brady, Gordie Howe, Satchel Paige, and Lebron are probably the big four of longevity. Brady, Howe, and Paige were all-stars into their mid-40s.
Right now, I'd give the longevity crown to Brady for winning a ring and superbowl MVP at age 43 and coming in second in MVP voting at age 44.
Lebron got an earlier professional start than these guys. We'll see what age he plays to. His longevity has been remarkable.
And there have been successful older competitors in sports that are less physically demanding, like bowling and golf. |
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