I dont think what AR is saying is necessarily true though. If this were true, he wouldnt have had that friction with D'Lo and friction with D'Lo is one thing but one of LeBron's noted weaknesses as a leader was that he wasnt positive all the time and during the moments when he wasnt positive, he displays very poor negative body language that even Rondo had to come up to him and tell him to fix.
The body language he displayed on national TV when JR Smith screwed up that Finals game was disgusting.
A real leader would have put an arm around JR, and told him to prepare for overtime
How would Kobe or MJ have handled that?
Kobe would’ve yelled “ship his ass out” and Jordan would just punched JR lol.
Seriously, I laugh at these criticisms of LeBron as a leader as if Jordan/Kobe were some uplifting, pat on the back type of dudes. Nah…they were ruthless towards everyone…opponents AND their own team. But when they do it it’s “killer instinct”
I think Kobe and Jordan were both terrible leaders. Lebron is a step above them IMO. But he has passive aggressive tendencies.
I dont think what AR is saying is necessarily true though. If this were true, he wouldnt have had that friction with D'Lo and friction with D'Lo is one thing but one of LeBron's noted weaknesses as a leader was that he wasnt positive all the time and during the moments when he wasnt positive, he displays very poor negative body language that even Rondo had to come up to him and tell him to fix.
The body language he displayed on national TV when JR Smith screwed up that Finals game was disgusting.
A real leader would have put an arm around JR, and told him to prepare for overtime
How would Kobe or MJ have handled that?
Kobe would’ve yelled “ship his ass out” and Jordan would just punched JR lol.
Seriously, I laugh at these criticisms of LeBron as a leader as if Jordan/Kobe were some uplifting, pat on the back type of dudes. Nah…they were ruthless towards everyone…opponents AND their own team. But when they do it it’s “killer instinct”
I think Kobe and Jordan were both terrible leaders. Lebron is a step above them IMO. But he has passive aggressive tendencies.
Agreed. Lebron has his faults as a leader but anyone using Kobe/Jordan as a shining example of Leadership is just lol.
I would choose Kobe/Jordan as leaders over Duncan, Nash and Jokic. Magic especially when he fully became a team leader following Kareem's retirement actually was not all that different from Kobe/Jordan or are you forgetting how he used to treat Divac? The dude learned his leadership from Pat Riley.
I would choose Kobe/Jordan as leaders over Duncan, Nash and Jokic. Magic especially when he fully became a team leader following Kareem's retirement actually was not all that different from Kobe/Jordan or are you forgetting how he used to treat Divac? The dude learned his leadership from Pat Riley.
So Kobe telling Smush Parker "you need more accolades under your belt before you can talk to me."... is that effective leadership tactics?
Or how about when Jordan punched Kerr in the face? Or when Jordan would humiliate Kwame Brown in front of everyone?
I would choose Kobe/Jordan as leaders over Duncan, Nash and Jokic. Magic especially when he fully became a team leader following Kareem's retirement actually was not all that different from Kobe/Jordan or are you forgetting how he used to treat Divac? The dude learned his leadership from Pat Riley.
So Kobe telling Smush Parker "you need more accolades under your belt before you can talk to me."... is that effective leadership tactics?
Or how about when Jordan punched Kerr in the face? Or when Jordan would humiliate Kwame Brown in front of everyone?
I think there's the misconception in the US that just because you're the best player that means you're automatically the leader.
Thats not the case in all instances.
In Soccer there are plenty of intances where the superstars aren't the voice in the lockerrom nor do they inspire others before the game.
Some inspire through their play and others inspire through other means vocally etc.
I'd pick Duncan ahead of all of those mentioned and imo it isn't even close. having read numerous stuff about Timmy and what everyone that played with him felt about him it's clear to me he was as good of a leader as you could have on that spurs team.
The fact that he let Pop chew him out in games in front of everyone made it known that if the clear cut best player can take criticism then everyone else falls in line.
I would choose Kobe/Jordan as leaders over Duncan, Nash and Jokic. Magic especially when he fully became a team leader following Kareem's retirement actually was not all that different from Kobe/Jordan or are you forgetting how he used to treat Divac? The dude learned his leadership from Pat Riley.
So Kobe telling Smush Parker "you need more accolades under your belt before you can talk to me."... is that effective leadership tactics?
Or how about when Jordan punched Kerr in the face? Or when Jordan would humiliate Kwame Brown in front of everyone?
Kobe was a (bleep) leader and teammate until the 2007/2008 season and became who he really was starting from 2008/2009 when you saw his true leadership qualities.
As for Jordan, who cares boo-hoo Kerr got punched. (bleep) happens in a testosterone driven environment. Bottom line everyone on the Bulls and his opponents respected and feared Jordan. One thing that is underrated on Jordan's Bulls teams are that they took EVERY game seriously and their record reflects that despite being an older veteran team. The only year where I saw slippage from a Jordan team in the regular season in terms of focus was the 1992/1993 season. Jordan kept his team's focus better than any other NBA leader I have ever seen
I would choose Kobe/Jordan as leaders over Duncan, Nash and Jokic. Magic especially when he fully became a team leader following Kareem's retirement actually was not all that different from Kobe/Jordan or are you forgetting how he used to treat Divac? The dude learned his leadership from Pat Riley.
So Kobe telling Smush Parker "you need more accolades under your belt before you can talk to me."... is that effective leadership tactics?
Or how about when Jordan punched Kerr in the face? Or when Jordan would humiliate Kwame Brown in front of everyone?
Kobe was a (bleep) leader and teammate until the 2007/2008 season and became who he really was starting from 2008/2009 when you saw his true leadership qualities.
As for Jordan, who cares boo-hoo Kerr got punched. (bleep) happens in a testosterone driven environment. Bottom line everyone on the Bulls and his opponents respected and feared Jordan. One thing that is underrated on Jordan's Bulls teams are that they took EVERY game seriously and their record reflects that despite being an older veteran team. The only year where I saw slippage from a Jordan team in the regular season in terms of focus was the 1992/1993 season. Jordan kept his team's focus better than any other NBA leader I have ever seen
Do you think it is just a coincidence that both of these guys had the same coach? _________________ Hey Doge, ever hear of “measure twice, cut once?” It is not cut first and measure later.
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1995Lakers wrote:
Zillethai wrote:
1995Lakers wrote:
I would choose Kobe/Jordan as leaders over Duncan, Nash and Jokic. Magic especially when he fully became a team leader following Kareem's retirement actually was not all that different from Kobe/Jordan or are you forgetting how he used to treat Divac? The dude learned his leadership from Pat Riley.
So Kobe telling Smush Parker "you need more accolades under your belt before you can talk to me."... is that effective leadership tactics?
Or how about when Jordan punched Kerr in the face? Or when Jordan would humiliate Kwame Brown in front of everyone?
Kobe was a (bleep) leader and teammate until the 2007/2008 season and became who he really was starting from 2008/2009 when you saw his true leadership qualities.
As for Jordan, who cares boo-hoo Kerr got punched. (bleep) happens in a testosterone driven environment. Bottom line everyone on the Bulls and his opponents respected and feared Jordan. One thing that is underrated on Jordan's Bulls teams are that they took EVERY game seriously and their record reflects that despite being an older veteran team. The only year where I saw slippage from a Jordan team in the regular season in terms of focus was the 1992/1993 season. Jordan kept his team's focus better than any other NBA leader I have ever seen
Minor quibble but Kobe was a good teammate up until 04, then a bad teammate until 07/08, then a great teammate. You don’t win 3 rings with your second and frequently best player being a (bleep) teammate. They trusted him in OT against the Pacers and he was a pretty steady force and the team always knew when to put the (bleep) behind them and lock in. You also have to account for the Shaq factor, who was both an amazing and horrible locker room presence. But also I don’t blame Kobe for being a (bleep) leader with Smush on his team. Who would want to lead that clown and he should have shut the (bleep) up and listened.
I don’t see the differences between any of them tbh. Tempers flare at times and stuff happens.
Lebron/MJ/Kobe were cool when things are going well….when things werent going well, they didnt take kindly to it. Thats just competitive nature. I mean this is true for pretty much every “leader”
Win or lose in the playoffs, dude has to retire or move on from lakers so lakers can get another star and/ good role players on the books. Ppl are too blinded from his past to see he is way past prime, no matter how fit he is. lakers will not be able to compete with his contract.
Win or lose in the playoffs, dude has to retire or move on from lakers so lakers can get another star and/ good role players on the books. Ppl are too blinded from his past to see he is way past prime, no matter how fit he is. lakers will not be able to compete with his contract.
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Let's put it this way, Josh Hart is more impactful for his team than LeBron is as it stands right now. LeBron is obviously better, but at this point, he ain't worth all the baggage. He needs to go and we get someone more capable to go with Luka.
Let's put it this way, Josh Hart is more impactful for his team than LeBron is as it stands right now. LeBron is obviously better, but at this point, he ain't worth all the baggage. He needs to go and we get someone more capable to go with Luka.
Not to mention we got his kid on a guaranteed contract, when that spot should go to an actual NBA player. Lakers need to quit the LeSimping when he isn't even your best player anymore, otherwise we're gonna be LeCooked.
Maybe this is a LBJ feel out game 1? Hasn’t he lost a lot of game 1s?
Feel out games only works if you are the franchise player. Otherwise it's just a bad game. It's not like Lebron has 3 more gears than what he's shown. He can be better but I don't expect a LOT more in game two.
Let's put it this way, Josh Hart is more impactful for his team than LeBron is as it stands right now. LeBron is obviously better, but at this point, he ain't worth all the baggage. He needs to go and we get someone more capable to go with Luka.
You might want to check this team cap status… Lebron opting out does not mean $50M in capspace… Lakers probably will only have less than half of that to sign someone. Definitely not enough for another star.
LeBron set the tone for the entire game. If his shots not falling , he shouldn’t kept forcing it, he should just focus on defense and rebounding, rest will follow.
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I think he defers to Luka too much early in games... he needs to get himself going a lot sooner in the playoffs. _________________ "He may say it's not you, it's him.... but it's really you."
Let's put it this way, Josh Hart is more impactful for his team than LeBron is as it stands right now. LeBron is obviously better, but at this point, he ain't worth all the baggage. He needs to go and we get someone more capable to go with Luka.
You might want to check this team cap status… Lebron opting out does not mean $50M in capspace… Lakers probably will only have less than half of that to sign someone. Definitely not enough for another star.
The whole team needs to be rebuilt to cater around Luka now. You have to start somewhere. Lebron opts out, you package out Rui/Reaves/Max (assuming we don’t want to max out Reaves) and you’ve now shed $90 million in cap. There’s a lot of expiring contracts and assets that can be used to make this all work. It will take time, but we have to do it properly. It all starts with cutting that $50million on Bron which is just not worth. We are never winning with him taking 34% of the cap space. It’s been the reality the last 4 years and swapping AD for Luka is not going to change anything.
Jokic is the plan now. Luka+ Jokic and just 3 dogs around them that can shoot and defend. That is your next dynasty. Until then it might be a semi-tank but whatever the (bleep) we have been doing with Bron the last 4 years is no better anyways.
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