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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: JAZZ -at- LAKERS - 2/13 - Thoughts and :-)) ratings |
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No Lead Too Safe... The Lakers led by 25 points, and at one point doubled up the Jazz 48-24 before Phil put in a summer league lineup to close the first half. The Jazz kept pecking away at the Lakers and kept things within striking distance.
Kobe set the defensive tone early, picking up several steals in the first quarter. He finished with 7 for the game and set a new career high. Lamar played a superb game, getting in the post against AK or setting up others on the attack.
"I don't think we finished the game well," Phil said in the Times, "but a win is good for us at this particular time because it builds some confidence."
Kobe -- -- He was explosive on the defensive end early on in this game. "I'm just being more aggressive defensively," he said in the Times. "As of late I've been really active on focusing on getting the ball back." He swiped a post entry pass on the first defensive stand. He stripped a man in the back court for another steal. He blindsided Okur as he got a pass and had his third steal early in the first. He snagged another pass in transition D. He missed a couple baseline jumpers, a floater and a three, before getting to the FT line on consecutive attacks in transition. He hit a baseline jumper at the end of the first quarter. He stepped into the passing lane and stripped the ball from AK. He poked a ball loose from Okur on a double team for his sixth steal of the half, one shy of a Laker record for a half. He fed a no-looker underhanded to Smush on the break for a dunk. He deflected a pass out of bounds, narrowly missing his seventh steal. He swished a three from about 28 feet straight away. He had 10 points and 6 steals at the half. He swung through, rose up and hit a three at the top of the key with Brown all over him to beat the shot clock. He palmed the ball in the mid post, surveyed the offense, then fed under the hoop to Smush for a layup. He closed the third quarter strong with a jumper at the top of the key, a swished three in transition, two FTs on a drive and the assist to Sasha for a three. He nearly had a steal, blindsiding a Jazz guard, but he lost the ball diving out of bounds. He knocked a ball loose on a reach and it led to a Lamar score, that was Kobe's seventh steal. He posted up, gave the Worthy spin to beat his man, then scored the And-1, fouling out Collins. Kobe finished with 23 points on 6-20 shooting, 4 boards, 3 assists and the 7 steals in 36 minutes. Phil said Kobe has lost his legs a little, good to see some reduced minutes in this one.
Odom -- -- Mr. Near Triple-Double. He had 17 points, 9 boards and 8 assists in 44 minutes of action. Excellent job throughout by getting in the post against AK, which negates AK's effectiveness as a weakside roamer or as an on the ball shotblocker. AK can't handle Lamar in the post and eventually got into foul trouble. Prior to the game, Phil said Lamar was no where near full health, but you couldn't tell as Lamar put in a great effort. The Lakers went to Lamar in the post with a lot of intent. He posted up AK, but missed at the rim. He posted up AK again not long after, pumped him in the air, then drew the foul (excellent work), he made both FTs. He blew past Okur for a layup. He attacked to his right off the pinch post and scored a layup around Okur. He nailed a three behind a screen. He sat on Boozer's turnaround jumper, blocked it and controlled the ball. He had 9 points, 7 assists and 6 boards at the half. He attacked and kicked to Cook for a jumper. He posted up AK, but kicked it out. He posted up AK, kicked it out again. He posted him up again and drew his fourth foul and AK had to sit. Nice rejection on one end, George saved it to Sasha, then Sasha pushed it up and hit Lamar again for the throwdown in the lane. He trailed the break, got the feed from Smush and drew FTs. He parked under the hoop and scored easily around AK. He attacked in transition trailing the play and getting to the rim for a layup. Great job. There have been games against the Jazz where we haven't played to Lamar's strengths against AK, this wasn't one of them.
Cook -- -- He stuffed the statline in just 18:41 of game time with 15 points on 6-11 shooting, 4 boards and 2 blocks. He hit an open 15-footer from the wing when Kwame made the extra pass. He posted up, made a reverse pivot and banked from about 10 feet. He hit an open baseline jumper off a wing pass from Lamar. He drew a foul off a Kobe feed trying to finish at the rim, he made both FTs. He was falling to the ground as he got hit, flipped up a shot over his shoulders and it spun off the glass and in for an And-1, he made the FT. He had 11 points at the half. He swished a baseline jumper on a kickout from Lamar. He knocked an offensive board to himself and scored a layup. He got sealed badly by Okur and gave up a layup.
Smush -- -- Smush had a couple of highlight reverse jams tonight that were pretty. He also did a good job attacking aggressively off of cuts. He struggled throughout the game with his FTs and made just 5-10, short on just about every miss. He finished with 16 points on 5-13 shooting, 4 boards and 1 assist. He swished a wing three on his first shot. He bricked a couple FTs badly. Good hustle for a loose ball in transition D. Good transition D to draw a charge in the lane. He attacked Harpring off the dribble and scored at the rim. He took a feed from Kobe in transition and threw down a rim-bending reverse dunk, he got called for a T for hanging on the rim (kind of a weak call since he was going at full speed and reverse dunking). He blew past Okur and drew a foul at the rim, he made one FT. He attacked off the Kobe handoff with speed and drew a foul. He missed his first FT, Kobe came up and snapped Smush's headband and Smush hit the next one. He had 9 points at the half and didn't return with his headband. He fought through a pick and drew a moving screen call. He scored a layup, sealing his man under the hoop and getting the feed from Kobe. To start the fourth, he attacked with speed off a weakside cut and drew contact and FTs, making both. He picked Deron Williams clean with his left hand, pushed up the ball, took off just inside the lower FT circled and reverse jammed...wow. Probably the highlight play of the game.
Kwame -- -- My goodness. Just another poor display around the rim tonight and anytime the ball hit his hands. Just grab the dang ball and dunk. Kwame finished 0-5, missed both of his FTs and didn't score. He took a little heat from the crowd, too. He pulled down 8 boards (4 offensive), had 2 assists and 2 blocks. He made the extra pass, finding an open Cook instead of taking the open 15-footer himself (right idea). He got swatted by AK. On three straight possessions, he didn't finish strong, missing point blank twice and getting blocked once. He then missed an open FT jumper. He dropped a pass out of bounds after Lamar set him up. He got some "boo's" from Staples at that point. Phil subbed him out shortly later for Bynum. He dropped another pass as he cut across the lane. He rejected AK and controlled the ball. He got tied up trying to make a post move. On Kwame's game tonight: "I wasn't surprised - I wish I would have been surprised," Phil said in the Daily News. "I wish I could count on Kwame for more consistency. But that's like the alter ego. He was Jekyll tonight, he was Hyde on Saturday, or whatever."
George -- 8) -- Just another solid game leading the bench in scoring again. He finished with 12 points on 4-7 shooting (2-3 from three). He missed a baseline jumper, we got it back and he hit from the other side. He jab-stepped then hit a three with the shotclock low. He drained a three from the sideline. Good hustle to keep a Lamar rejection in bounds and it led to a dunk at the other end. He hit a hanging jumper in the lane. He hit 2 of 4 FTs down the stretch.
Walton -- -- Luke had a -9 in just 4 minutes of action as he was part of a couple of poor units. He had 2 turnovers, 0 points and 1 board. He threw the ball away when Bynum spun from the post. The Lakers had a 15-point lead in the third when Joel Meyers unintentionally says, "Luke enters the game and it's danger time for the Lakers."
Vujacic -- -- Sasha had 7 points, 5 boards, 6 assists and 1 turnover in 19 minutes. Horrible sideline bounce pass to George and it went through his legs. He missed a three, he then hit a long two from the corner. Sasha swished a three at the end of the third and hit the floor trying to get the Reggie Miller call. Nice crash on the offensive board between a couple Jazz players and Sasha got the Lakers another possession. Then, he drew a charge on Harpring on the other end in transition. He missed 2-4 FTs, he's usually money. He had a late reach in foul when he should have been moving his feet and letting the clock run. Phil benched him for that.
Bynum -- -- Drew got some extended playing time, going for 14:24 in this one. He used his length to get an offensive board and reset the offense for the final shot of the quarter. He pulled down another offensive board to start the second quarter and it led to another hoop. He picked up a low pass from Sasha and scored a layup in traffic. He scored a tip-in off a Smush miss. He got beat in the lane on three different FT rebounds, he finally got burned when he was called for a foul (his fourth) and he had to sit. He also had a few three second violations, but the Lakers were making the extra pass a bit more than usual tonight, with a couple of over passes on those. He finished with 4 points on 2-2 shooting, 4 boards (3 offensive) and 4 fouls.
Green -- -- He was called for an offensive foul attacking the hoop. He got rejected trying to attack the lane. That was about it in 3 minutes.
Turiaf -- -- Midway through the second quarter, Ronny made his first Staples appearance. His enthusiasm on the bench is great to see as he pops up after just about every great play the Lakers make to cheer his teammates on. He got off the bench tonight for some extended run in the first half, playing 5:42 and getting 3 fouls, 1 board and 2 turnovers. He didn't score, missing a couple of FTs. He jumped out on a sideline switch and got the guard to step on the sideline for a turnover. He picked up a charge, not staying still on a pick. He attacked from the elbow with some determination and drew two FTs, he missed both. He picked up a blocking foul, the officials saying he wasn't set in time.
Phil -- -- Some different lineup from Phil tonight than we have seen before. He had a Bynum, Kwame, Odom, George, Sasha lineup to start the second quarter... Phil closed the half with the Lakers up by 24 going with a Bynum, Turiaf, Walton, Green, Smush summer league lineup. Offensively, they ended up with a couple three-second violations, a Bynum layup, two missed FTs, an offensive foul, a turnover on a pass and getting rejected on a shot... "I thought we had a really good defensive first half — turnovers, steals," Phil said in the Times. "It was a nice opportunity to get some of our younger players in."... The Lakers held the Jazz to 24 percent shooting in the first half... |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: |
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Thanx DB
This was one of the few games where PJ could bring down some of Kobe's minutes, a very good thing.
They did lose a lot of their large lead, but it wasn't the "Starting 5" + 2 main reserves that were the culprits. Despite the rookies losing some of the lead, they needed the PT and experience for them to be effective during the playoffs.
Tufiaff provided a lot of energy, an upgraded version of Mark Madsen. Bynum continues his on-court lessons and showing improvement.
It was a good day at Lakers School at Staples Center
DB - what do you think is the next immediate lessons (among many others) that should learn next? |
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NestT Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Any game in which Kobe scores less than 25 points and the Lakers get a W is good game. |
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ALbino Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:37 am Post subject: Re: JAZZ -at- LAKERS - 2/13 - Thoughts and :-)) ratings |
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DancingBarry wrote: | The Lakers had a 15-point lead in the third when Joel Meyers unintentionally says, "Luke enters the game and it's danger time for the Lakers." |
This made me laugh out loud pretty hard. Very funny, and sadly, very true :)
AL. |
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TooCool Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Did Turiaf get a standing ovation?
And nice job again DB. _________________
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks good job |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:58 am Post subject: |
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I was cringing when Phil put in the SPL group to close the half. I understand letting the young players have minutes, but all at once? It did give them a good idea of what the NBA will call against rookies because the turnovers were ridiculous. _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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DB - Any Idea why the Lakers don't use Odom in that type of post up role more?
I mean some of it's him - He does roam at the perimeter for long stretches - but at times even when he's in the post the Lakers don't look to pass to him. Same with Bynum.
The Triangle - and offense for that matter - is always run best playing inside-out.
The 3 point attempts are still a concern. Basketball is all about getting the ball inside. The Lakers need to do that more - and to their best scores inside (NOT Kwame) |
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NY_LakerFan Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Thanks once again DB!
Glad to see Phil take advantage of a huge early lead to get some experience for the end of the bench. Not so glad to see how they played. |
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orido86 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Thanx DB |
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Any idea on who is working closely with Kwame? He seems to be getting better and better at the defensive end, but his offense is timid and lacking. I would think Rambis would be a good coach for that, but perhaps getting someone who coached Rodman (or even Rodman himself?) to give Kwame some pointers may help. Maybe getting him to concentrate on defense first will take his minds off the offense. And even then, he really needs to learn how to control his body and the ball.
Just from personal experience I would call that a lack of confidence and extreme nerves. _________________ Courage doesn't always roar.
Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the end of the day saying...'I will try again tomorrow.' |
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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The tempo of the game was great in the first half. We came out with alot of energy. We kept attacking the hoop. We bricked like 5 layups from the get go but still contuinued to attack which was great to see. We really set the tone on the defensive side as well. Kobe was the main catalyist behind it imo. He was hawking everyone for a steal.
If we had lost the game, i would of been all over Phil. What was the deal subbing in our whole bench in the second quarter when we had a 24 point lead? That was absolutely one of the dumbest things ive ever seen a coach do. No lead is ever safe in the NBA, espeially when theirs 2 quarters stilll remaining. Then he had the nerve to wince like hes in pain whenver the SPL'ers made a mistake or turnover. We could of probably build the lead up to 30 by halftime and finished the game by the 4th if we kept our main pieces in. Horrible coaching move. Save the experiments for garbage time plz.
Kobe is really sacrificing his game alot to get his teammates involved. Hes often found out of rythmn and his shooting percentage is hitting the effects of it. _________________ Pain is temporary, at the end of pain is success... |
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: Re: JAZZ -at- LAKERS - 2/13 - Thoughts and :-)) ratings |
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DancingBarry wrote: |
Turiaf -- -- Midway through the second quarter, Ronny made his first Staples appearance. His enthusiasm on the bench is great to see as he pops up after just about every great play the Lakers make to cheer his teammates on. He got off the bench tonight for some extended run in the first half, playing 5:42 and getting 3 fouls, 1 board and 2 turnovers. He didn't score, missing a couple of FTs. He jumped out on a sideline switch and got the guard to step on the sideline for a turnover. He picked up a charge, not staying still on a pick. He attacked from the elbow with some determination and drew two FTs, he missed both. He picked up a blocking foul, the officials saying he wasn't set in time.
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I look forward to watching Ronny's progress through the rest of the season. His enthusiasm alone will help this team, as will his play.
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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I was suprised to see Turiaf getting so many blows to the chest last night.
Turiaf is crazy man. _________________ Pain is temporary, at the end of pain is success... |
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Great post DB. |
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: |
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Kobe was freelancing way too much on D. The 7 steals were nice, but Devin Brown shouldn't be putting up that many (in that way) against you.
When the ball is 2 passes away, Kobe was roaming so far off of him, that by the time the ball was skipped or reversed, Devin (or Milt, when he was guarding him in the 2nd half) would already settle in behind a pick and there would be no way for Kobe to recover. |
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Another slog thru the mud game with the Jazz. It was really tough to watch.
NKPOG = LO. He was doing what he should be doing all along - being aggressive, posting up and actually finishing some plays. Take some weight off of Kobe, save his legs. It makes things easier for others when your opposition sees you as a threat.
A lot of the Rest Of Team contributed last night. DG - way to enhance your trade value with energy off the bench!
Does anyone know if the NBA allows players to wear gloves on the court? Kwame sure could use some of those the NFL receivers wear. |
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kenkoy Star Player
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:16 am Post subject: |
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I don't get Odom's mindset. He would rather get aggressive and attack a shot-blocker like Kirilenko, instead of the smaller SF's he normally goes against? |
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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smaller players tend to flop on him alot and he gets charged for alot of offensive fouls...I think he feels more comfortable with someone of similar height, but not as strong as him. imo. |
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kenkoy wrote: | I don't get Odom's mindset. He would rather get aggressive and attack a shot-blocker like Kirilenko, instead of the smaller SF's he normally goes against? |
afer the last utah game(when kobe was out), he said he liked battling with AK47. AK47 also said some nice things about Odom. I guess AK47 is one of those guys who odom likes to play against like Kobe when he plays against Tmac, Allen, ect. _________________ Pain is temporary, at the end of pain is success... |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Odom and AK are very similar built players. The matchup is ideal for Odom. People says he matches up with no one defensively - but AK and a few other combo forwards in the NBA are ideal matchups for Lamar. |
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Odom playing up to his potential = Magic Johnson
If Odom ever learns how to utilize his skills he would easily be seen as a skinnier but taller Lebron James type of player minus the freakish hops. His height makes up for that allowing him to play all 5 positions. He just needs to work on his defense as well as developing an arsenal of attacks for his opposition. If he were to adjust his game to his defender, he would be unstoppable. The crazy thing with Lamar, is that it is all mental. There's not one thing physically stopping him from dominating. |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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reincarnatingDaBulls wrote: | Odom playing up to his potential = Magic Johnson
If Odom ever learns how to utilize his skills he would easily be seen as a skinnier but taller Lebron James type of player minus the freakish hops. His height makes up for that allowing him to play all 5 positions. He just needs to work on his defense as well as developing an arsenal of attacks for his opposition. If he were to adjust his game to his defender, he would be unstoppable. The crazy thing with Lamar, is that it is all mental. There's not one thing physically stopping him from dominating. |
That is the Gospel Truth!
Once he has the mindset of a General (he is, of course, The Facillator) with a Star Soldier (Kobe) and a cast of willing characters, he has the skills to make the offense flow very effectively. |
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karlmalonefan wrote: | smaller players tend to flop on him alot and he gets charged for alot of offensive fouls...I think he feels more comfortable with someone of similar height, but not as strong as him. imo. |
Interesting. Kwame said he likes to play against bigger guys like Yao too. Maybe they don't have to be so careful? _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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Quote: | DB - Any Idea why the Lakers don't use Odom in that type of post up role more?
I mean some of it's him - He does roam at the perimeter for long stretches - but at times even when he's in the post the Lakers don't look to pass to him. Same with Bynum. |
1. Not good enough post passers.
2. The better post passer is Odom.
3. It's tough for Odom to initiate the offense from the backcourt, to essentially become the #1 post scoring option on offense in the same play. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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