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the point of working is to get paid. I worked at facebook for a bit, a company and owner I loathe. They pay, and I always tell people if the opportunity comes up to work with them just take the money and run.
This is no different. This whole moral argument is laughable. Money is king and to judge anyone because they are trying to get the bag legally is silly.
Its the whole Rricky gervais speech about isis having a production company all of the actors would be lining up. If you like to act and need to make a living you do it.
Phil loves money, loves playing golf, and wants more control over his likeness and IP. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I saw Byron Scott at Knollwood last Saturday. I didn't get to see him swing though. |
Was he in a bunker? Foxhole?
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| jonnybravo wrote: | | dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | I saw Byron Scott at Knollwood last Saturday. I didn't get to see him swing though. |
Was he in a bunker? Foxhole? |
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| Halflife wrote: | the point of working is to get paid. I worked at facebook for a bit, a company and owner I loathe. They pay, and I always tell people if the opportunity comes up to work with them just take the money and run.
This is no different. This whole moral argument is laughable. Money is king and to judge anyone because they are trying to get the bag legally is silly.
Its the whole Rricky gervais speech about isis having a production company all of the actors would be lining up. If you like to act and need to make a living you do it.
Phil loves money, loves playing golf, and wants more control over his likeness and IP. |
Some of us value our time and integrity more than just making extra bucks. Nothing silly about that.
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: |
The statement released by the PGA said they will be banned from all PGA tour events, including the Korn Ferry tour and some others. I am thinking about some of the guys who may have been able to play the Korn Ferry and make up to the big PGA Tour in the future, but they lost lifetime eligibility to play 1 LIV event before being replaced by Patrick Reed. |
I agree.
The risk is minimal for DJ or Phil because they got paid a boatload of money up front.
But with only 48 slots in the LIV, if you are one of the no name guys currently in the fields, what happens next tournament when Bryson and Patrick Reed join? It would seem that would mean 2 guys who played in London would be axed unless I am misunderstanding their rules.
So for the no name guys, I would think long and hard before jumping to LIV unless they give you some kind of guarantee that they won't drop you as other guys join up.
I believe the LIV and Asian Tour have a deal so guys could probably at least play the Asian Tour. But PGA Tour would likely be out permanently and my guess is the DP Tour (European Tour) ends up going the same route as the PGA.
Stay tuned.
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| Its 48 slots for now. My guess is if theres enough interest from more golfers from the PGA Tour they will open it up. |
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| Quote: | | Charl Schwartzel wins LIV Golf Invitational Series' first event, pockets $4.75M |
That's crazy money for 3 days work.
Wonder how much was his signing bonus. Did he get $100M+ like the others? |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | | Charl Schwartzel wins LIV Golf Invitational Series' first event, pockets $4.75M |
That's crazy money for 3 days work.
Wonder how much was his signing bonus. Did he get $100M+ like the others? |
I'm trying to find out if he did but I haven't been able to, at least so far. I can't imagine he got even Bryson money, which was $100MM, but as a former major champion I'd have to imagine he probably received something fairly decent. What I do know is that he just won $4.75MM ($4MM for winning the individual event and $750K for his share of the $3MM prize for winning the 4-person team event as well), and that's more than he has won in the past 5 years combined. Last place (48th in the 48-person field) gets $120K. |
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| LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | | Charl Schwartzel wins LIV Golf Invitational Series' first event, pockets $4.75M |
That's crazy money for 3 days work.
Wonder how much was his signing bonus. Did he get $100M+ like the others? |
From what I read the LIV Tour pay structure is modeled after other pro sports where you have guaranteed contracts. But then you also get prize money for winning tournaments, but obviously those pale in comparison to the initial contract. This is why some golfers on the PGA Tour are lured to the LIV Tour. |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | LongBeachPoly wrote: | | Quote: | | Charl Schwartzel wins LIV Golf Invitational Series' first event, pockets $4.75M |
That's crazy money for 3 days work.
Wonder how much was his signing bonus. Did he get $100M+ like the others? |
From what I read the LIV Tour pay structure is modeled after other pro sports where you have guaranteed contracts. But then you also get prize money for winning tournaments, but obviously those pale in comparison to the initial contract. This is why some golfers on the PGA Tour are lured to the LIV Tour. |
Yeah I doubt if it’ll ever be profitable. But I don’t think they care about turning a profit at all. |
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| Rory McIlroy finished the day tied for the lead in the RBC Canadian Open. Just what the PGA needed. |
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| dont_be_a_wuss wrote: | | Rory McIlroy finished the day tied for the lead in the RBC Canadian Open. Just what the PGA needed. |
Usually that event draws the weakest field of the year on the PGA Tour, or one of them, for sure. It's no coincidence that this year, they got some big names for it, and the final group is McIlroy/Finau/Justin Thomas. Not too shabby. The Tour would kill for that final group for the U.S. Open next week! |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | the point of working is to get paid. I worked at facebook for a bit, a company and owner I loathe. They pay, and I always tell people if the opportunity comes up to work with them just take the money and run.
This is no different. This whole moral argument is laughable. Money is king and to judge anyone because they are trying to get the bag legally is silly.
Its the whole Rricky gervais speech about isis having a production company all of the actors would be lining up. If you like to act and need to make a living you do it.
Phil loves money, loves playing golf, and wants more control over his likeness and IP. |
Some of us value our time and integrity more than just making extra bucks. Nothing silly about that. |
The silly thing is judging others by it. Taking money doesn’t equate to integrity.
I don’t know what your house is worth, but if Putin offered you 3times its value imho you take it. |
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| Halflife wrote: | | DaMuleRules wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | the point of working is to get paid. I worked at facebook for a bit, a company and owner I loathe. They pay, and I always tell people if the opportunity comes up to work with them just take the money and run.
This is no different. This whole moral argument is laughable. Money is king and to judge anyone because they are trying to get the bag legally is silly.
Its the whole Rricky gervais speech about isis having a production company all of the actors would be lining up. If you like to act and need to make a living you do it.
Phil loves money, loves playing golf, and wants more control over his likeness and IP. |
Some of us value our time and integrity more than just making extra bucks. Nothing silly about that. |
The silly thing is judging others by it. Taking money doesn’t equate to integrity. |
On the surface, no. But when the source is as dirtied as the SRF, there is absolutely nothing "silly" about judging the integrity of those who profit grossly off of it.
| Quote: | | I don’t know what your house is worth, but if Putin offered you 3times its value imho you take it. |
I have two, both worth quite a bit of money. One I would happily sell at triple the value if the source wasn't corrupted. The other, not a chance. It's a great house in a very special place that would be very hard to replicate, even at triple the cost . . . location, location, location.
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Yeah, I think Phil's going after money. I don't think he's going after it for himself. I don't know for sure but I have a feeling Phil is financially secure. The impression I get is he wants the PGA to share with players less secure.
As far as integrity goes. IMO if most here were afforded an opportunity to work for Facebook and make enough to pay off their mortgages and all of their bills they would take the opportunity/money and run. JMHO
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| jodeke wrote: | | As far as integrity goes. IMO if most here were afforded an opportunity to work for Facebook and make enough to pay off their mortgages and all of their bills they would take the opportunity/money and run. JMHO |
Is Zuckerberg murdering journalists? I hadn't heard about that.
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| Rory call out Greg Norman after this Canadian Open win? |
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| lakersken80 wrote: | | Rory call out Greg Norman after this Canadian Open win? |
He did! I had to look that up right after (before Nantz said that he was referring to Norman), because I wasn't sure who he might be referring to. I knew it couldn't be Phil, as he has far more than 20 PGA Tour wins. I thought DJ had way more as well. So I go on Wikipedia and I see that it had to be Norman lol. (DJ has 24, for the record.)
I think the guys wanted to go out and make a statement this week. Rose bogeyed two of the last 3 holes, including 18, and shot a 60. The final group shot 62/64/64. |
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| jodeke wrote: | Yeah, I think Phil's going after money. I don't think he's going after it for himself. I don't know for sure but I have a feeling Phil is financially secure. The impression I get is he wants the PGA to share with players less secure.
As far as integrity goes. IMO if most here were afforded an opportunity to work for Facebook and make enough to pay off their mortgages and all of their bills they would take the opportunity/money and run. JMHO |
Phil doesn’t care nor has ever care about sharing PGA money with the other guys. PGA golf has always been tough to get into and you then get sponsors and the regulars all make great incomes. He’s getting an eight figure “bonus” to go play for the Saudis, and he isn’t giving that away. Fwiw, the PGA tour is a nonprofit that isn’t some owner fighting the players for money. They get the lions share if it and the rest mostly goes to charitable and other programs.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Yeah, I think Phil's going after money. I don't think he's going after it for himself. I don't know for sure but I have a feeling Phil is financially secure. The impression I get is he wants the PGA to share with players less secure.
As far as integrity goes. IMO if most here were afforded an opportunity to work for Facebook and make enough to pay off their mortgages and all of their bills they would take the opportunity/money and run. JMHO |
Phil doesn’t care nor has ever care about sharing PGA money with the other guys. PGA golf has always been tough to get into and you then get sponsors and the regulars all make great incomes. He’s getting an eight figure “bonus” to go play for the Saudis, and he isn’t giving that away. Fwiw, the PGA tour is a nonprofit that isn’t some owner fighting the players for money. They get the lions share if it and the rest mostly goes to charitable and other programs. |
Did some reading and everything I've seen shows the players getting like 55% (up from like 35%). Only half of that is prize money, so player direct prize money is around 28% of revenue ($427m from $1.52b revenue). That's directly from the PGA. Honestly, the PGA could probably squash this right now if they at least paid guys to show up. Missing the cut and getting exactly $0 is rough.
https://www.pgatour.com/news/2021/11/22/pga-tours-unprecedented-momentum-results-in-increased-purses.html
https://www.si.com/golf/news/the-pga-tour-is-on-a-spending-spree-and-we-know-whos-gonna-get-the-bill |
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| DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Yeah, I think Phil's going after money. I don't think he's going after it for himself. I don't know for sure but I have a feeling Phil is financially secure. The impression I get is he wants the PGA to share with players less secure.
As far as integrity goes. IMO if most here were afforded an opportunity to work for Facebook and make enough to pay off their mortgages and all of their bills they would take the opportunity/money and run. JMHO |
Phil doesn’t care nor has ever care about sharing PGA money with the other guys. PGA golf has always been tough to get into and you then get sponsors and the regulars all make great incomes. He’s getting an eight figure “bonus” to go play for the Saudis, and he isn’t giving that away. Fwiw, the PGA tour is a nonprofit that isn’t some owner fighting the players for money. They get the lions share if it and the rest mostly goes to charitable and other programs. |
Did some reading and everything I've seen shows the players getting like 55% (up from like 35%). Only half of that is prize money, so player direct prize money is around 28% of revenue ($427m from $1.52b revenue). That's directly from the PGA. Honestly, the PGA could probably squash this right now if they at least paid guys to show up. Missing the cut and getting exactly $0 is rough.
https://www.pgatour.com/news/2021/11/22/pga-tours-unprecedented-momentum-results-in-increased-purses.html
https://www.si.com/golf/news/the-pga-tour-is-on-a-spending-spree-and-we-know-whos-gonna-get-the-bill |
That’s mostly been how the players want it since a ton of their money is from sponsors (who do pay them to show up). It’s been kind of an elitist way to keep the “wrong” people from making their way up.
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| Omar Little wrote: | | DuncanIdaho wrote: | | Omar Little wrote: | | jodeke wrote: | Yeah, I think Phil's going after money. I don't think he's going after it for himself. I don't know for sure but I have a feeling Phil is financially secure. The impression I get is he wants the PGA to share with players less secure.
As far as integrity goes. IMO if most here were afforded an opportunity to work for Facebook and make enough to pay off their mortgages and all of their bills they would take the opportunity/money and run. JMHO |
Phil doesn’t care nor has ever care about sharing PGA money with the other guys. PGA golf has always been tough to get into and you then get sponsors and the regulars all make great incomes. He’s getting an eight figure “bonus” to go play for the Saudis, and he isn’t giving that away. Fwiw, the PGA tour is a nonprofit that isn’t some owner fighting the players for money. They get the lions share if it and the rest mostly goes to charitable and other programs. |
Did some reading and everything I've seen shows the players getting like 55% (up from like 35%). Only half of that is prize money, so player direct prize money is around 28% of revenue ($427m from $1.52b revenue). That's directly from the PGA. Honestly, the PGA could probably squash this right now if they at least paid guys to show up. Missing the cut and getting exactly $0 is rough.
https://www.pgatour.com/news/2021/11/22/pga-tours-unprecedented-momentum-results-in-increased-purses.html
https://www.si.com/golf/news/the-pga-tour-is-on-a-spending-spree-and-we-know-whos-gonna-get-the-bill |
That’s mostly been how the players want it since a ton of their money is from sponsors (who do pay them to show up). It’s been kind of an elitist way to keep the “wrong” people from making their way up. |
Didn't even think about the second part of that. Yeah, I can see that...  Tennis is very similar. |
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Great showing by the PGA Tour and the Toronto fans for the Canadian Open.
Very historic tournament, you get your name etched onto a trophy that has all the other names who have won it should you finish on top.
McIlroy beat a great field with some tremendous golf in front of super enthusiastic fans. I think it is a great product.
But Charl Schwartzel just played an exhibition tournament against a far weaker field and just earned $4.75 million in one week in the LIV. And that is on top of whatever fee they paid him to join which certainly isn't DJ or Phil bonus money, but likely a big amount...I would guess $8-10 million or more.
By comparison Rory McIlroy just make $1.6 million to win a historic PGA Tour tournament. And if he doesn't play well and misses the cut the next time out, he makes $0 other than whatever the sponsors pay.
As long as the money discrepancy is that severe, the LIV is going to continue to get players in my opinion.
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| ChickenStu wrote: | | lakersken80 wrote: | | Rory call out Greg Norman after this Canadian Open win? |
He did! I had to look that up right after (before Nantz said that he was referring to Norman), because I wasn't sure who he might be referring to. I knew it couldn't be Phil, as he has far more than 20 PGA Tour wins. I thought DJ had way more as well. So I go on Wikipedia and I see that it had to be Norman lol. (DJ has 24, for the record.)
I think the guys wanted to go out and make a statement this week. Rose bogeyed two of the last 3 holes, including 18, and shot a 60. The final group shot 62/64/64. |
Yep. And it was great. And JT had something to say about the state of the PGA:
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