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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2024 1:57 pm    Post subject:

Add this in, and yeah, I don't think the PGA or U.S. Open will be considering Valhalla anytime soon...

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Just spoke to Will Zalatoris who says he walked two miles to make it to the course this morning with Cam Young and Austin Eckroat. Took them over two hours to make it inside the gates.

Was very critical of the set-up for entry this week—he even told his parents on Monday not to come because it was such a mess.

“I’m not happy I was proven right.”
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2024 2:00 pm    Post subject:

Maybe I had heard this years ago, but I certainly didn't have it on the brain until they just mentioned it on the broadcast, but this is a Nicklaus-designed course. No wonder the fairways are so damn wide LOL.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:08 pm    Post subject:

I was rooting for Bryson, but that was a hell of a finish and I can't deny the excitement down the stretch. Congrats to Xander. -21 won it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:16 pm    Post subject:

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I was rooting for Bryson, but that was a hell of a finish and I can't deny the excitement down the stretch. Congrats to Xander. -21 won it.


As a SDSU Alum, love to see Xander and his caddy Austin representing so well.

He has now shed the tag of "best player not to win a major" and I could see him winning more as he seems to consistently play well in the big events and just needed to close one.

Props to Bryson also for making him earn it with a final round 64 that was fun to watch, he showed a lot of class congratulating Xander also.

Great event and great to see Xander finally close the deal!
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:43 pm    Post subject:

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I was rooting for Bryson, but that was a hell of a finish and I can't deny the excitement down the stretch. Congrats to Xander. -21 won it.


Why would you root for Bryson?
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 3:49 pm    Post subject:

Finally won a golf tournament. Mostly because my partner was an amazing golfer, but he did an amazing job of coaching me to do my part. It was a horse race elimination tournament and we got got work done. Plus. I bet on our team, so I won money on top of it all.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 5:58 pm    Post subject:

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I was rooting for Bryson, but that was a hell of a finish and I can't deny the excitement down the stretch. Congrats to Xander. -21 won it.


Why would you root for Bryson?


Because as a gay man, I love the PIF!

OK, in all seriousness, I just think he's good for the game. Brings excitement. The fans were absolutely loving him out there, as well.

I saw an insane stat after it was over. The field -- the entire field -- was collectively -200 this week. The previous record at a major? +48. Two hundred and fifty shots better than the previous major low score, basically. The course was very clearly too easy for these pros. At least it made for an exciting watch, but yeah, I can't imagine that Valhalla will ever host another men's major unless they change the course set-up.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 7:22 pm    Post subject:

Bryson is a real class act. Quick Bryson story:

I’m at Riviera on Friday for the Genesis in 2019. Thursday got rained out, so players played about 27 holes a day to finish on Sunday. I’m there to follow Tiger, as are about 200 people crowded around the clubhouse on the first tee. Bryson has 1, maybe 2 tour victories at this point, using the one length irons, and the extra long belly putter or whatever you call it.

There’s a 15 year old kid asking everybody on the first tee, “who are you hear to watch, are you hear to watch Tiger?”. “I’m here to watch Bryson”, he tells everyone. This kid followed Bryson for about 29 holes, until the round was called for darkness, clapping and telling him “good shot” after every shot.

The horns blow for darkness, and I happened to cross paths with Bryson, and I tell him, “hey Bryson, that kid over there is like your biggest fan it would mean the world to him if you say hi to him”. I felt like Bryson blew me off. He said he had some other stuff to do first. So I walk back up to the clubhouse thinking what a dickhead Bryson is, that the kids are the future of the fan base and Bryson is a dick.

So there I am, standing outside the clubhouse waiting for my buddy to use the bathroom… and this kid comes running up the hill, nearly in tears, waiving a glove around with so much pride, “Bryson gave me his glove! Bryson gave me his glove!” I never felt so happy to be proven wrong in my life.

And here is Bryson today, making sure a kid gets his ball that an older fan tried to steal: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7LBlYsNpEP/?igsh=MTBlZjE4YzMxOA==
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 9:38 pm    Post subject:

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Scottie Scheffler arrest: Louisville mayor says police officer body camera mysterious erased after Scheffler incident


Fixed it for them.


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A spokesperson for Louisville Mayor Craig Greenberg said Saturday there is no police body camera video of the initial encounter between Scheffler and the officer.

The officer was directing traffic at the time, and the department’s officers typically don’t record video with their body cameras while directing traffic, Kevin Trager, the mayor’s press secretary, wrote in a text message to an Associated Press reporter.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2024 11:15 pm    Post subject:

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‘Oh my God, it’s Scottie Scheffler’: Eyewitness reveals new arrest details

https://golf.com/news/eyewitness-reveals-new-scottie-scheffler-arrest-details/


This is the eyewitness accounts from Jeff Darlington and the others in his car (an ESPN SUV). They were ahead of Scheffler and saw the whole thing happen.


1) Who was in this ESPN SUV?

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- reporter Jeff Darlington
- Geoff Ogilvy
- Dave Fleming
- Bob Wischusen
- Driver (an ESPN production runner)



2) The first police officer they encountered, waived them through:

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Most of what is typically a 30-minute drive was traffic-free, but that changed as the SUV neared the club. Shelbyville Road, the main byway into and out of Valhalla, was backed up on account of a police investigation related to a pedestrian fatality.

To circumvent the snarl, the ESPN runner diverted the SUV onto less cluttered back roads and soon came upon a police officer patrolling an intersection about a third of a mile from the club entrance.

When the ESPN crew identified themselves and showed their parking credential, the officer let them through.



3) They got held up by a bus near the entrance. They never described a 2nd police officer telling them to go around this bus (via going into the Westbound lanes):

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As they neared the entrance, though, they were held up again, this time by a bus just in front of the gate.



4) Darlington was waiting behind that bus for awhile. It's not mentioned in this article but I remember him describing it on TV. He said that they waited for awhile and that bus in front just would not move because the driver had disappeared. So, chances are, Scheffler was waiting behind Darlington for awhile too and got tired of waiting.


5) This is when Scheffler pulled up besides their car (to go around this bus). In order to go around this bus, he had to get into the Westbound lanes, as stated in the police report. So, Darlington and his co-passengers corroborated the police report that Scheffler was in fact in the Westbound lanes:

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As they waited for the bus to clear, a Lexus SUV — demarked as a PGA Championship courtesy vehicle — pulled up in the westbound lane next to them.



6) Scheffler pulled up to the left of Darlington's vehicle. That means he wasn't in the shoulder as Darlington initially described:

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As Scheffler pulled up to the left of ESPN’s vehicle, Wischusen said he and his ESPN colleagues could not see who was at the wheel.



7) This is when detective Bryan Gillis tried to stop Scheffler:

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In short: After Scheffler pulled into the westbound lane, Gillis, who was directing traffic, stopped Scheffler and gave him instructions.



8) Police Officer Gillis did get Scheffler's attention and gave him a direct order that he could not go through via the Westbound lanes and had to get back in line behind the bus and behind the ESPN SUV:

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Wischusen said Gillis beamed his flashlight up and down Scheffler’s car and yelled at him with words to the effect of:

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“Whoa, whoa, whoa, who are you? Where are you going? Get back in line. You’re not allowed to come through here.


Wischusen said he couldn’t hear any of what Scheffler said to Gillis but that Gillis was “scolding” Scheffler for passing the ESPN vehicle on the left.



9) Scheffler ignores the officer's direct orders and continues driving:

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After Scheffler and the officer’s interaction, Wischusen said Scheffler began to pull away.



10) Officer got mad for being ignored:

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Here’s how Wischusen recalls that moment:

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“When [Scheffler] drove past him, the cop got very angry pursuing the car. … My impression was he was kind of running alongside chasing the car, and maybe he tripped and fell. I mean, there was kind of an outcropping or median, you know, by the front gate. And keep in mind, it was raining. It was 6 o’clock in the morning. It was dark.”


Asked about Darlington’s characterization of the officer “attaching” himself to the car, Wischusen said,

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“I could see him stumble, but I did not have a very clear view of exactly how you want to categorize his contact with the car.”



11) According to Scheffler and his attorney, this is why Scheffler ignored detective Gillis' orders:

There was some mysterious 2nd police officer who told Scheffler to go around the bus (via the Westbound lanes).

Neither Darlington nor any of his other passengers described seeing or coming across this mysterious 2nd police officer. Since they never encountered a 2nd police officer, they just waited in line behind this bus. But since Scheffler was directed to go around the bus by some mysterious 2nd police officer, that's what he did:

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In a statement Friday, Scheffler said that he had been “proceeding as directed” and that the incident resulted from a “big misunderstanding of what I thought I was being asked to do.”



12) My theory is, Scheffler was going to ignore detective Gillis because he thought the orders were coming from a security guard and not from a police officer. Even Darlington and his co-passengers couldn't tell:

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Wischusen said because the officer and his colleagues were in yellow reflective jackets, it was unclear to him and his colleagues whether they were police or tournament security.



13) I'm still trying to figure out what detective Gillis did wrong? Scheffler didn't try to go around the bus via other Eastbound lanes, he tried to go around the bus via Westbound lanes. This is such an important distinction that everyone ignores. Going via the Westbound lanes (while there's outgoing traffic) is dangerous. The police officer is doing his job by preventing Scheffler from taking that route.

So far, only Scheffler was trying to do that. Darlington didn't try to do that. There's zero corroboration that there was any 2nd police officer instructing anyone to go around the bus via the Westbound lanes.



14)According to the police report, the Westbound lanes had traffic coming out:

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Listed subject was driving eastbound to gain access to the course.

Subject pulled into the westbound lanes, where outbound traffic was flowing and to avoid backed up traffic.



15) Scheffler's story doesn't add up to me. Why would a mysterious 2nd officer direct him to go into the Westbound lanes where outbound traffic was flowing? Does that sound right to anyone?

Detective Gillis was the actual officer working the Westbound lanes:

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Detective Gillis was in the middle of the westbound lanes, in full LMPD uniform and a hi-visibility yellow reflective rain jacket. Dotective Gillis stopped subject and attempted to give instructions.



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From my experience, when officers direct you to go into outbound lanes, they have cones set up, or another officer down at the other end stopping traffic. There doesn't seem to be any of that going on. No one in the ESPN SUV describes any officer directing anyone to go into the Westbound lanes.

The ESPN SUV didn't go into the Westbound lanes. Only Scheffler did. They didn't describe any other cars going into the Westbound lanes, only Scheffler's. Again, they were the first car behind that bus. They waited.

I think what happened was, Scheffler took it upon himself to go around via the Westbound lane because he wanted to get in and start his practice round.

He saw someone ordering him to get back in line and he wasn't going to listen because he thought it was some mere security guard.

He even said later that he didn't know they were police officers (when he got arrested, according to Darlington).

I think had he realized it was a police officer ordering him to get back in line, he would have. In his mind, he was disregarding a security guard, not a police officer.

Most of the criticism against detective Gillis was that:

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- he didn't recognize that Scheffler was in a PGA car
- he wasn't the regular event staff
- he shouldn't have stopped Scheffler


But to me, it was about Scheffler being in the Westbound lanes going against traffic. And if this is proven true, then Gillis was in the right to stop Scheffler and tell him to get back in line in the Eastbound lanes.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 5:47 am    Post subject:

Dan Beyer and Ryan Hollins, in for Doug Gottlieb, discuss the incident and wonder when it became OK to ignore a police officer who is giving clear instructions to stop your vehicle.

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“When someone tells you to, 'Stop! Don’t go anywhere,' you know what you do? You stop and don’t go anywhere...I’m sorry, he was in the wrong! If you didn’t stop when they told him to stop, then it’s Scottie Scheffler’s fault.”


Exactly.

https://foxsportsradio.iheart.com/content/2024-05-17-theres-no-question-it-was-scottie-schefflers-fault/
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2024 6:07 am    Post subject:

Another article pointing out the hilarity for those who support Scheffler's actions:


https://www.si.com/golf/scheffler-arrest-fatal-accident-embarrassing-culmination--tragedy-could-have-been-avoided


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It seems likely that Scheffler had no idea that a fatality had transpired, but disobeying police orders to stop is always a risky endeavor—and the cops reacting forcefully to reckless driving in the aftermath of a traffic fatality is also understandable.


Someone was run over and killed that morning, 1 hour before Scheffler got there. The police are responding to a fatal traffic accident. Scheffler drives onto the Westbound lanes while going eastbound. Why wouldn't the cop react the way he did?


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The deceased should be the primary focus, but in the callous sports world many people were more concerned with whether Scheffler was going to be released from the Jefferson County Jail in time to make his morning tee time. This became a “Free Scottie” lark instead of a Rest In Peace moment. It was frankly embarrassing.

..........

In the Show Must Go On haste of a major championship, the availability of the No. 1 golfer in the world to play the second round of a tournament somehow became the most important part of a sad and terrible morning. A man was dead, an arrest was made … and people were worried about a tee time.


I agree.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2024 11:55 am    Post subject:

Some video of the incident has been released, and it's very odd that the police department released this because, and I know some of you will be absolutely shocked at this development, it does not corroborate the officer's account at all. I am just bewitched, bothered, and bewildered that a police officer has been caught in a lie.

Seriously, I could tell from the very first statement from the police department from their coded language that the officer was full of sh*t. Scheffler probably committed a minor traffic violation. He's being charged with felony assault. And people wonder why the police aren't trusted?

I see now that the police department has actually said publicly that the officer was reprimanded for failing to activate his body camera. Yeah, it's like Scheffler's attorney says, these charges will almost certainly end up getting dismissed.

I also love the arresting detective saying "he demanded to be let in...", again, with the coded language BS.

https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/scottie-scheffler-arrest-footage-lmpd-announces-no-video-of-interaction-detective-reprimanded-for-body-cam/
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2024 1:50 pm    Post subject:

Sounds like this Detective Gillis is a piece of work:

https://x.com/JasonRileyWDRB/status/1793732746332020985
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2024 1:51 pm    Post subject:

^^^
Yeah, saw the video earlier. Very different than previous reports from the police. It totally shows them instigating any physicality outside the vehicle. It doesn’t show what happened prior obviously, but this tape corroborates part of Sheffler’s side.
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2024 12:23 pm    Post subject:

Very sad. Sounds like this may be another case of someone struggling with mental health issues in a country that fails to adequately address and treat such things:

Professional golfer Grayson Murray dies at age 30

Two-time PGA Tour winner Grayson Murray died Saturday morning at age 30, one day after he withdrew from the Charles Schwab Cup Challenge at Colonial.

There were no immediate details on the circumstances of his death, only shock and grief from the PGA Tour and his management team.

"I am at a loss for words," PGA Tour commissioner Jay Monahan said in a statement. "The PGA Tour is a family, and when you lose a member of your family, you are never the same. We mourn Grayson and pray for comfort for his loved ones."

...

Murray, who spoke about alcohol and mental health in the past, made a massive turnaround this year and won the Sony Open, hitting wedge to 3 feet for birdie on the final hole to get into a playoff and winning it with a 40-foot putt.

He had won the Barbasol Championship the year before.

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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2024 2:04 pm    Post subject:

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And he withdrew yesterday after his 16th hole, only 1 shot off the cut line, with 2 holes still to play. He told his playing partners he wasn't feeling well and left the course. So was it a physical issue that got worse, or, well, I think we all know what the other obvious possibility is. What a tragedy, any way you slice it. Just 30 years old.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2024 8:35 am    Post subject:

His family confirmed it was suicide.

https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/40222743/family-reveals-pga-tour-golfer-grayson-murray-died-suicide
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^Supposedly his girlfriend had just broken up with him which as anyone knows can leave you in a low place.

Very sad story, my sympathies to his family and friends.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2024 9:17 am    Post subject:

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Yeah, after seeing that video, the assault charges weren’t going to stand.

I still think Sheffler created the entire ordeal by refusing to obey a direct order from an officer.

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Scheffler has said he simply misunderstood the commands coming from traffic officers.


I don’t believe this at all. I think he thought he was getting orders from a security guard, and he wasn’t having any of it.

Personally, I would have hoped that they stuck with the “disobeying a police officer” charge but these things usually get dropped.
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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2024 11:00 am    Post subject:

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At absolute worst, he committed a traffic violation imo. Given the officer's prior history, given that he was clearly shown to have been lying when you see the video, and given that witnesses said that Scheffler remained calm throughout, and I'm inclined to think it's plausible that he thought it was okay to keep going. What I do know for sure is that the officer totally made this an unnecessary incident. If he committed a traffic violation, fine, give him a ticket, but don't make a spectacle out of it like he clearly did.
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At absolute worst, he committed a traffic violation imo. Given the officer's prior history, given that he was clearly shown to have been lying when you see the video, and given that witnesses said that Scheffler remained calm throughout, and I'm inclined to think it's plausible that he thought it was okay to keep going. What I do know for sure is that the officer totally made this an unnecessary incident. If he committed a traffic violation, fine, give him a ticket, but don't make a spectacle out of it like he clearly did.


Pretty much anyone with any common sense knew what transpired in this instance, and it wasn’t what the cop described. This was a nothing incident that an insecure dickhead with a badge wanted to escalate.
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At absolute worst, he committed a traffic violation imo. Given the officer's prior history, given that he was clearly shown to have been lying when you see the video, and given that witnesses said that Scheffler remained calm throughout, and I'm inclined to think it's plausible that he thought it was okay to keep going. What I do know for sure is that the officer totally made this an unnecessary incident. If he committed a traffic violation, fine, give him a ticket, but don't make a spectacle out of it like he clearly did.


Pretty much anyone with any common sense knew what transpired in this instance, and it wasn’t what the cop described. This was a nothing incident that an insecure dickhead with a badge wanted to escalate.


I just watched the short 7-minute hearing from earlier this morning where the charges were officially dismissed, which was mostly the prosecutor issuing a statement. Towards the end, he says that Scheffler's assertion that the entire thing was a misunderstanding was corroborated by the evidence/other witnesses. If anyone would care to watch:

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2024 10:57 pm    Post subject:

I also found this fascinating, Scheffler's attorney speaking after the charges were dismissed. It's a little bit longer, but there's a lot of useful information in here. He starts by saying that they were prepared for both criminal and civil litigation if necessary "on Monday" but that Scheffler did not want to pursue that. He gets particularly impassioned when he says that witnesses should never ever talk to the police because they are just trying to incriminate you and are not actually trying to get to the bottom of anything, they just try to trap you, basically, to use something against you. You can tell from his comments that he has a history of litigation against the Louisville PD for sure.

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2024 6:13 am    Post subject:

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Towards the end, he says that Scheffler's assertion that the entire thing was a misunderstanding was corroborated by the evidence/other witnesses.


The “misunderstanding” part to me is clear.

Scheffler did not know he was disobeying a police officer. He says so in the back of the squad car.

Body cam footage I heard on the news:

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Scheffler: “I didn’t know he was a police officer. I thought he was a security guard”

Police officer: “why does it matter if he was a police officer or a security guard?”

Scheffler: “I… [mumbles something]. I admit, I was a little impatient, I should have stopped. I was late for my tee time and I got impatient.”


He intially told the truth there. He later spun the “misunderstanding” to be something else: that things were chaotic and he was just following directions from other officers.

That’s just more lying and it made the police officer look bad. Scheffler was told to stop and get back in line. This was clear and corroborated by witnesses and his own statements above.

The officer asked him a very pertinent question, which he couldn’t answer:

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“why does it matter if it’s a security guard or a police officer who’s telling you to stop?”


Bottom line: he thought it was a security guard and he wasn’t going to obey.

This was the “misunderstanding”.

Scheffler created the entire ordeal by refusing to obey orders. Then somehow he became the “victim”

Scheffler is a victim of refusing to obey orders to me.

Any normal person who refuses to obey a police officer’s orders gets punished. If you are the no. 1 golfer in the world, you become the victim.

That bothers/annoys me.

I have little sympathy for people who refuse to obey orders because they think they’re special or above the law and then play the victim card.
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