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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:28 pm    Post subject:

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As I said, I think he's changed. I saw him on the Pat McAfee Show, and when the host said how much of a bummer it is that he won't be playing in the Olympics, Bryson acknowledged that he made a choice and that this had certain consequences that he has had to accept. And he doesn't seem bothered by it. He just seems like he's in a really good place.


Exactly, some of these guys are so incensed about LIV that it is like all LIV Golfers are evil and all PGA Golfers are good.

It is a lot more nuanced than that.

For instance, Poulter and Garcia went to LIV and did a lot of bellyaching about the PGA Tour they left. I didn't hear any of that from guys like Bryson, Dustin Johnson or Koepka but it is still disappointing they took the Saudi money.

But it doesn't mean I am going to ignore their talent or write them off forever, everyone has to make their own decisions and live their own lives.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 12:50 pm    Post subject:

I was okay with the PGA selling out to the Saudis but when they sold out to the owner of the Boston Celtics and the Strategic Sports Group, that was the last straw for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:19 pm    Post subject:

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As I said, I think he's changed. I saw him on the Pat McAfee Show, and when the host said how much of a bummer it is that he won't be playing in the Olympics, Bryson acknowledged that he made a choice and that this had certain consequences that he has had to accept. And he doesn't seem bothered by it. He just seems like he's in a really good place.


That's good. I hope it continues.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:27 pm    Post subject:

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McIlroy choking the two short putts was enjoyed by this observer as well.


I don’t know how anyone who respects the game takes pleasure in watching one of the good guys go through that.


He has done a lot of things the past couple of years that have irritated me, he is becoming pretty annoying.

1. Treating his wife like crap and embarrassing her publicly


I don't follow the tabloid stuff, so I don't know the details beyond the fact that he and his wife have called off their divorce, so . . .

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2. Freaking out like a little girl at the Ryder Cup and throwing a hissy fit


LOL! Yeah, like Bryson has never done that, right?

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3. Supporting small fields and freezing out of the field the rank and file tour players. When the late Grayson Murray confronted him about it, he said "Just play better Grayson" which is a classless comment when you are on top to say to other pros.

He just isn't my cup of tea personally.


Not sure what the problem is with wanting other players to prove themselves through competition.

But Bryson has been the epitome of class, right? Bailing on the PGA for more money and no cut golf, and then (bleep), moaning and attacking the PGA because he no longer got to enjoy the benefits of the tour he turned on and blasted . . . Yeah, class act right there . . .


I am not a LIV Fan and agree that the guys who took the money from LIV really sold out.

But back to Rory, I forgot #4 and #5:

#4 - Leaving the US Open without talking to the press and acting like a sore loser. He has no problem giving interviews (especially to his alleged mistress) when he wins, but runs and hides when he loses? Contrast that to say Greg Norman answering every question when he blew the Masters for instance. To me it just leave a bad taste.

#5 - Not congratulating Bryson for a great tournament win or even shaking his hand. Instead more important to cut out 15 minutes earlier and then put out a weak cloying press release the next day.


Totally agree that that was BS. He clearly let his emotions get the better of him and should have done better.

[quote]Rory was right to stick up vs. LIV, but then he wasn't even man enough to stay behind his original position and essentially backstabbed his PGA Tour bretheren. Which is why there is no longer any interest in having him as part of the advisory board which he also quit, but then wanted to come back to.

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If Rory is your guy, I won't try and change your mind but to me he comes off like an egotistical putz.


He's not my guy, I just think overall he's been good for golf over his career despite some faltering along the way. He's been struggling to get back to his old form and was on the verge of getting back on top and went down in a heartbreaking fashion on a couple late round, makeable putts. I'm just not someone who is going to take great pleasure in that. Your milage obviously varies.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 19, 2024 5:34 pm    Post subject:

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some of these guys are so incensed about LIV that it is like all LIV Golfers are evil and all PGA Golfers are good.


I don't think the LIV golfer are evil. But I do think there is a certain lack of character in just chasing money from a highly questionable source saying it's all about an easier, no-cut 54 hole schedule "to have more time for life" and then to turn around and complain that the tour you left isn't going to just sit back and let you have your cake and eat it too.

It is a lot more nuanced than that.

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For instance, Poulter and Garcia went to LIV and did a lot of bellyaching about the PGA Tour they left. I didn't hear any of that from guys like Bryson, Dustin Johnson or Koepka but it is still disappointing they took the Saudi money.

But it doesn't mean I am going to ignore their talent or write them off forever, everyone has to make their own decisions and live their own lives.


All of those guys openly complained that the PGA wasn't going to just let them go back and forth in order to play in the key event they wanted to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 9:31 am    Post subject:

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He's not my guy, I just think overall he's been good for golf over his career despite some faltering along the way. He's been struggling to get back to his old form and was on the verge of getting back on top and went down in a heartbreaking fashion on a couple late round, makeable putts. I'm just not someone who is going to take great pleasure in that. Your milage obviously varies.


He certainly brings eyes to the sport and has a lot of fans, no doubt about that.

But when you say he is one of the "good guys in golf" and people that don't think so are somehow off-base, I explained why I and many others feel he is far from that.

As far as Bryson throwing tantrums and such, I have no idea what you are even referencing...certainly he never behaved like a hotheaded fool at the Ryder Cup the way Rory did.

The only thing I can think Bryson did that was questionable was saying he was going to overpower Augusta National before the tournament one year. He ended up not even contending and got blasted for the comments.

I would say that was a pretty minor transgression in the overall scheme of things.

His biggest mistake in many people's eyes (including mine) was going to LIV and taking the Saudi Blood Money, but even that is a slippery slope considering all the PGA Guys have competed and played in the Middle East at some point and accepted questionable money also.

But to me, Bryson comports himself far better than Rory at present. For instance, Bryson fell just short in a hard fought PGA Championship to Xander. Made Xander work for it right up until the last shot.

What did he do after the tournament? Waited for Xander to finish and congratulated him warmly and said a lot of nice things about him afterwards.

That is what "good guys" in golf do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:29 pm    Post subject:

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For me, I'm not going to judge any golfer for taking the money and going to LIV. Doesn't make me think any less of them. As you say, it's a very slippery slope.

I watched some of Bryson doing a pre-tournament presser yesterday and he actually alluded to some of those foot-in-mouth comments from his past, too much bravado, etc, and how he was wrong to do that.

Hopefully the two sides can just come together and find something that works. I actually like the idea of 54-hole events for much of the calendar, similar to how during the tennis year, you only see matches go beyond 3 sets in the majors. I think many of the regular Tour events have just become monotonous slogs, especially with the weaker fields. It might be good to have many of the events be 54 holes, more of a sprint to the finish. Perhaps the team aspect of it can and will be included in some of these tournaments. And perhaps you can have designated events (kind of like the Tour has now) that remain 72 holes, such as The Players, Pebble Peach, Bay Hill, The Memorial, etc. The Tour has to realize that LIV is not going away and is only going to continue to flex its financial muscles, meaning that it will continue to poach high-profile players away. It is truly to everyone's benefit to come to an agreement that brings the best players back together again in the best tournaments.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 20, 2024 3:28 pm    Post subject:

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For me, I'm not going to judge any golfer for taking the money and going to LIV. Doesn't make me think any less of them.


Come on, there was a lot more to it than just guys just making more money . . .
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For me, I'm not going to judge any golfer for taking the money and going to LIV. Doesn't make me think any less of them.


Come on, there was a lot more to it than just guys just making more money . . .


I mean, it's certainly THE biggest reason, no? Of course, the guys that left probably had their grievances with the PGA Tour, some more than others. But Rahm isn't leaving the Tour without that check. Same with Bryson, Koepka, Kevin Na, obviously Phil, etc. And then in addition to the money, some guys like Dustin Johnson (who had a young family) were very much drawn to the lighter schedule. And then for internationals like, say, Niemann and Mito Pereira from Chile, it was probably much easier for them because the Saudi thing doesn't come with the stain that it does for many here in America.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 12:07 pm    Post subject:

Forget the 59 on the PGA Tour yesterday by Hayden Springer. I've told y'all about my dad's exploits on the golf course. Well I just got a call from him. How about a 69 at Costa Mesa?!?! This was done on the Mesa Linda course, par-70. He went 35-34 for a 1-under-par 69.

Just a reminder, he's 82. He needs an immediate drug test.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:37 pm    Post subject:

Stu, that is amazing.

A lot of people would be happy to just once shoot better than their age by a single shot....much less by double digits.

That is some seriously impressive golf for any age.

Just curious, was your Dad always a golfer and is he someone who plays and practices a lot or is he just Lee Trevino type that just has a knack for it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2024 9:21 pm    Post subject:

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Stu, that is amazing.

A lot of people would be happy to just once shoot better than their age by a single shot....much less by double digits.

That is some seriously impressive golf for any age.

Just curious, was your Dad always a golfer and is he someone who plays and practices a lot or is he just Lee Trevino type that just has a knack for it?


I went out to dinner at one of our favorite Italian restaurants with my parents as a sort of celebration tonight. To give you some background, my dad was a fantastic athlete as a young guy, and obviously still is as it relates to golf. He was the QB of the high school football team and also played linebacker, and mind you he's 5'8. Also was the #1 tennis player in the lone year that he played high school tennis. He received a pro tryout from the San Francisco Giants at age 18, if that tells you anything about him as a baseball player. Oh, and he once bowled a 298, just to throw bowling into the equation.

He didn't actually take up golf until just before he turned 30. Immediately, he fell in love with it and he's played almost every week since then. He's never really practiced on the range a bunch of days out of the week, but every once in a while, in addition to his regular days on the course, he'll go to the range and hit some balls. (When he worked, he'd typically play just once a week, on the weekend; now that he's officially retired, he actually is playing more, sometimes twice a week now.) As soon as he started, he was killing the ball off the tee, as athletes who play other sports and take up golf seem to do. Within about 2-3 years he was a single-digit handicapper. In his late 30's and early 40's he would drive the ball well over 300 yards. Even into the late 1990's, when he was in his late 50's, he'd still hit the ball 280-290. He has an imaginative wedge game and can hit high flop shots on full swings if he's in trouble anywhere near the green and there's obstacles between his ball and the hole. Short chipping was probably always his weakness; however, that issue has been mitigated a bit after he went to the long putter in his 50's, as he got to a point where he felt comfortable enough with that to where if he's anywhere greenside, unless he's in thick rough, he just putts the ball instead of chips it. My dad was a birdie machine in his 30's, 40's, and 50's for sure. He doesn't make as many birdies as he used to because he's hitting it about 240-ish now, but he also rarely has awful holes where he'll make a triple bogey or something, and even double bogeys are fairly rare for him. He says he's actually much straighter off the tee now than he ever has been. So even though he's "only" hitting it about 240 on average, if you can consistently hit fairways with 240 yard drives, you're going to score well on all but the longest of courses, and you're probably not going to make too many double bogeys when you do that. And on shots from the fairway of about 180-210, he likes going with the hybrid clubs in his bag, and he clips them pretty well.

It really is insane. He almost never shoots over his age, and if he reports back that he shot an 80 or something, he's genuinely disappointed. It's like he knows he can do better. Like today. He was genuinely excited!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:17 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the background on your Dad, it is always interesting to me to find out how good golfers got to that point since I struggle so much.

The fact that he was always a great athlete makes sense, many great golfers seem to be out of a similar mold...they were good at other sports, discovered golf and became infatuated with it and obsessed with getting better.

Baseball and Hockey backgrounds seem especially good sports to "transition" into being a great golfer.

It is interesting to hear about what you said about hitting it straight vs. hitting it as long as he could when he was younger. I will take 240 yard consistent straight drives all day long, you can score if you know you can get the ball off the tee down into the fairway somewhere vs. hitting your ball a mile crookedly into the rough, trees or OB.

To shoot a 69 on a par 70 when you are in your 80's is super impressive and it sounds like that is not at all unusual for your Dad. Unless I get blessed with vampire like longevity or have a bolt of miracle improvement to my swing, ever shooting better than my age is a pipe dream!

Props to your Dad, get out there and play a round with him soon...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2024 12:14 pm    Post subject:

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Forget the 59 on the PGA Tour yesterday by Hayden Springer. I've told y'all about my dad's exploits on the golf course. Well I just got a call from him. How about a 69 at Costa Mesa?!?! This was done on the Mesa Linda course, par-70. He went 35-34 for a 1-under-par 69.

Just a reminder, he's 82. He needs an immediate drug test.




That's awesome! Glad your dad is still out there slaying it on the courses. To me, that's quite an accomplishment at any age. I'm going to have to live as long as Methuselah to have any chance of shooting my age, much less better.

May your dad have many, many more great rounds
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To give you some background, my dad was a fantastic athlete as a young guy, . . .
It really is insane. He almost never shoots over his age, and if he reports back that he shot an 80 or something, he's genuinely disappointed. It's like he knows he can do better. Like today. He was genuinely excited!


What a great guy to have as a dad. I can see why you are so proud of his prowess.
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To give you some background, my dad was a fantastic athlete as a young guy, . . .
It really is insane. He almost never shoots over his age, and if he reports back that he shot an 80 or something, he's genuinely disappointed. It's like he knows he can do better. Like today. He was genuinely excited!


What a great guy to have as a dad. I can see why you are so proud of his prowess.


Oh, it's great. And no one tells a story quite like my dad. This is true in general, but definitely applies to when he talks about his golf rounds. It's funny that LL mentioned Lee Trevino as far as having a knack for the game, because my dad kind of talks about golf in a joyous way like that. My dad's 82 but people think he's in his late 60's. And he's stayed active. That's really key when you reach a certain age. He didn't semi-retire until he was about 75 (he had his own business), and up until this year he continued to work a couple of times a week. Is ex-Army and served in Vietnam in the mid-1960's, also. USA, USA, USA!
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